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a quarter million of its workers, full-time, part-time, temps and oorths 100,000 seasonal hires. >> the raise takes effect november 1st, includes employees at whole foods as well. >> bernie sanders, who has been a critic, cheering this. we'll see if other companies follow suit. >> thanks for being with us. >> at this hour with our colleague kate bolduan starts right now. >> hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. the fbi investigation into brett kavanaugh, free reign, the president says. more names, democrats demand. which means more leads and very little time. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell proclaiming again this morning that no matter what, the senate will vote on the supreme court nomination this week. so investigators now have less than four days remaining, and it is still a huge question. let's be honest, in partisan washington, who is going to believe the eventual outcome of the investigation when it comes. the president now saying that the fbi, though, can investigate
whoever they want. >> the fbi is doing pretty much as the senate wants. and we want to know everything. we like the idea of the fbi looking for the seventh time. this is number seven, by the way, the seventh time they will have looked. we think that he's going to be in great shape, and hopefully in the very near future, they'll take a final vote. >> investigators have already talked to the yale classmate who claimed kavanaugh exposed himself to her. they have talked to three high school classmates about christine blasey ford's allegations, and now there's word of a bar fight back in 1985. cnn's abby phillip has the latest from the white house. we heard from the president there in the rally that he was at last night. he seems still confident in his nominee. what are you hearing from the white house today? >> hi, kate. well, the white house is waiting for this fbi investigation to wrap up. but they're also playing defense, as we're hearing more and more from the classmates of brett kavanaugh, both from high school and college, about what they say that he did at the time.
what is not clear is whether or not the fbi is taking all of that into consideration. what we know right now is that the fbi has interviewed four key people who were part of the allegations they're looking into. three are related to ford, one is p.j.smyth, who is a friend of c kavanaugh's, mark judge, also a friend of kavanaugh's. his testimony lasting two days. and then there's leland keyser, a close friend of christine blasey ford. a fourth person, deborah, ramirez, had made an allegation about kavanaugh's behavior while he was in college, and she's also been interviewed by the fbi. all of these other individuals who have come forward to say either that kavanaugh drank too much or did not drink too much during college, some of them have said they wanted to reach out to the fbi to provide this information. what we don't know is whether the fbi is taking that and incorporating it into the background check investigation. i think it's clear, though, that republicans and the white house believe that the focus on the
drinking has become a red herring for democrats. so it's unclear if they would want that to actually happen, kate. >> now, abby, what more do we know or what more are you learning about this bar fight when kavanaugh was in college? >> this has become an interesting issue, raised by one of kavanaugh's college classmates, who said he often drank with kavanaugh and believed he was mischaracterizing his drinking habits. the bar fight happened apparently after a concert, a ub-40 concert, in which kavanaugh and a friend were at a bar, and someone mistook a person at the bar for the lead singer of this group. then a foeth happened. what we learned this morning is one person, kavanaugh's friend, was actually arrested during that altercation. now, all of this is being told by one of kavanaugh's classmates, chad ludingten, and here's what he had to say to reporters yesterday outside of his home in north carolina. >> i don't think that getting drunk in your college years should matter, no.
i wouldn't be sitting here with a coat and tie on probably if that was going to restrict what happens to us the rest of our lives. but i do believe that it's fundamentally wrong, indeed illegal, to lie in front of the senate judiciary committee. >> and that was actually last night on chris cuomo on our air, but as you can hear there, ludington has raised some of these issues and brought it to the forefront, but now, what this has become is a question of whether or not kavanaugh was really truthful about how much drinking played a role in his college time and his high school time. the white house is calling the focus on some of these incidents ridiculous, kate. >> abby, great city you. thank you so much. >> over on capitol hill, no matter what the outcome is from the fbi investigation, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said they're moving forward. high said the senate will vote on kavanaugh this week
regardless. but the republican senator who essentially forced this new fbi investigation to take place, he doesn't seem so sure. arizona senator jeff flake told cnn, it depends on where we are with the fbi investigation. the agreement was we wouldn't have a cloture vote to get to the final vote until the report was filed. cnn's manu raju is on capitol hill with much more on this. there are 100 senators to track, of course, but i guess it really does come down to three republicans on what's -- and what really is going to happen. are you hearing that a vote friday is still likely? >> yeah, that is the plan of the moment, to try to push forward to the vote at the end of the week, but you're absolutely right, kate, that mcconnell needs to begin taking the procedural steps as early as tomorrow to set up the friday vote, and how will those three key republican senators react if that fbi report is not done and if it is done, how will they react to what is found in that
investigation and will they be satisfied with the extent of the investigation? now, we caught up with one key senator, one of those three, lisa murkowski of alaska, who said she had gotten assurances from the white house that there would be an exhaustive investigation, at least a typical background investigation. she also would not say when i asked her whether or not they should look into the allegations that he may have misled the senate judiciary committee about some of his antics in college. >> i don't know what it is that will come back. i have had a conversation with mr. mcgahn about the extent of what the fbi is doing. and what i have been assured is that they are conducting this background investigation as they do all background investigations, allowing for the investigation to take its course. >> he's going to look into
whether he lied or not, lied about his antdices in college, should the fbi look into that? >> i think the fbi is doing what we have tasked the fbi to do. that's all i can ask for. >> now, the senate judiciary chairman chuck grassley tried to make the case that the republican senators are not doing anything to interfere with that investigation. >> i don't think i should question what the fbi is doing because it would raise a question of political interference. >> now, undoubtedly, you can hear there's so much riding on this fbi report. how do those key senators judge it? will that be enough to turn their vote one way or another? it will be up to those three senators in particular to determine how quickly the republican senators move forward. but clearly, the majority leader has friday at the end of the week on his calendar right now, trying to push forward the end of the week vote. how will that fbi report affect that, kate? >> keeps it on the calendar
until he has to change it. we'll see what happens. joining me to discuss, asra, a cnn legal and national security analyst, chris cillizza, politics reporter and editor at large, and julie hirshfield davis, for the "time"s. >> on what we heard from chuck grassley and what we heard from lisa murkowski and how careful they were in talking about the fbi investigation, i'm starting to wonder, what do you think the public is going to end up seeing? if the senate says they want to release the report, what is the public going to see? >> what the public will see, if they release this supplemental investigation, is basically a series of documents which are known in the fbi as 302s. 302s are testimonial documents which record interviews with
people. they don't include any editorializing by the fbi agent taking the interview. they don't include any conclusions. they simply record what the person says, you know, and it should be a very close transcription to the actual conversation. i should note here, kate, that this is typical in criminal investigations to take a 302 for every interview. my contacts tell me in background checks, normally, only a 302 is only done when there's something called derogatory information, when there's something negative or of concern that comes up. but whether that's the procedure here or whether the fbi has been instructed to document every interview, we don't know. so they'll see some series of interviews, either only using
at that time in his life. i just don't want to lose sight of that fact, that that's what they're doing here, trying to corroborate that particular allegation. >> julie, let me bring you in. something else that the senate majority leader, and you're hearing other republican leaders do it as well, feels what they're saying very clearly this morning is that democrats are moving the goalposts in terms of what will be enough, if you will. saying first, democrats wanted to delay until after the midterms to have a vote on
kavanaugh. then, delay over missing documents when that happened during the first round of hearings. then a delay they wanted because of christine blasey ford's allegation when it came up. now they say now the democrats are just focusing on his drinking and high school and college. does mcconnell have a point on democrats moving the goalposts? >> certainly, they have, you know, gone to successive sort of points to say, you know, we don't have enough, we don't have enough information. but i think the key point is what chris said, which is that, you know, the audience here, it's not for democrats. most democrats have already said, almost all of them have already said that they oppose brett kavanaugh with the exception of a few red-state democrats who were still watching to see what they'll do. the important audience here is jeff flake, lisa murkowski, and susan collins and what they're deg to think is relevant here. and it is true in terms of moving the goalposts, they made it very clear that they wanted to see this fbi investigation into credible allegations raised by dr. ford, and we know that
they were also going to look into the allegations raised by debbie ramirez. the point at asha made is right, that the stories thereat have come out in the interim do speak to a pattern of behavior, potentially, but because the fbi is not going to offer an investigative report like say bob mueller might at the end of the russia investigation, because they are at best probably going to offer up transcripts of interviews and bits and pieces of what they found in this supplemental investigation, it's not dai-- t won't have a comprehensive picture of how brett kavanaugh may have acted toward women and other people when he was drunk 35 or 36 years ago. they will have to act on, you know, the pieces and bits that they have, and they have made it clear that they are looking for a reason to allay their concerns and vote yes. so i think the bar is still pretty high for them, and it will be interesting to see with all of this additional information coming out whether they can sort of look away from
that, given that it was not originally the scope of what they had hoped to see resolved by the supplemental investigation. >> we'll see, and we'll listen to see if mcconnell says tomorrow it's still on for this week or friday for a vote. because it is really, the power is in the hands of those three republican senators, as you point out. great to see you guys. thanks very much wroorb. coming up next, a new report on what the president new about efforts to silence stormy daniels and the direct role played by both the president and one of his kids. plus, the devastating tsunami in indonesia as the death toll climbs. why rescue teams fear the worst could be yet to come. that's coming up. my name is elaine barber, and i'm a
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who knew what and when is still in dispute when it comes to stormy daniels and efforts by team trump to keep her quiet. there's news today. the "wall street journal" is reporting that president trump was directly involved in that effort. and so was his son, eric. cnn's erica is in washington joining me now with more details on this. this direct connection hasn't been reported before. what does it mean? >> sure, so the reporting this morning shows a couple things. first, it demonstrates a concerted effort by the president by members of the trump organization to silence stormy daniels at a time when she was attempting to publicly tell the story of her alleged sexual encounter with the president. it also shows that the president was directing this effort, his effort, through his former company, the trump organization. and it additionally casts some
doubt or raises questions about some of the public statements that both the president and other representatives of the white house made during this period about trump's involvement and about the involvement of others in this effort and his relationship with stormy daniels. >> erica, thanks so much. really appreciate it. >> joining me now to discuss that and much more, a democratic member of the house judiciary committee, congressman hakeem jeffries. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me on. >> what's your reaction to the reporting from the "wall street journal" this morning that president trump has more direct involvement in trying to keep stormy daniels quiet, trying to keep stormy daniels from doing interviews with the media, even in february? >> well, it's not a surprise because this president has not hesitated in misrepresenting facts to the american people consistently. his team has regularly done that. alternate facts, of course, and other ways of communicating.
giuliani has communicated, which belie the truth. this is par for the course as it relates to what we have seen from the trump administration. again, it's the reason why we need to insure that bob mueller conducts a full, fair, and comprehensive investigation, gets to the bottom of this whole sordid affair connected to the 2016 election, so that we can determine whether the cloud of illegitimacy that is hanging over 1600 pennsylvania avenue can be wiped away or whether there should be consequences. >> i want to ask you also about brett kavanaugh. the top democrat on your committee, jerry nadler, over the weekend, let me may you what he said. he said this, and this is if democrats regain control of the house. watch this. >> we would have to investigate any credible allegations certainly of purgy and other things that haven't been properly looked into before. >> if kavanaugh is confirmed, do you still want to investigate him? >> well, i think we're going to have to proceed on two tracks,
and our primary focus is house democrats will be fighting for the people, lowering health care costs, increasing pay, cleaning up corruption in washington, d.c. that's what we promised the american people we would do should we be successful in achieving the majority in the house of representatives. we have to keep our word to the american people. we also have a constitutional obligation as a separate and coequal branch of government to be a check on an out of control executive, which could include the possibility of appointing someone who is unfit to sit on the supreme court of the united states of america. and so that will have to be examined and explored, but i have great confidence in jerry nadler and his leadership to do the right thing, consistent with our constitutional obligations. >> congressman, there is a process, i mean, to impeaching a supreme court justice. do you really think there are grounds for impeachment that you see already? >> no, and i'm not sure anyone has mentioned that there are grounds for impeachment. i think we have to deal with what's before us right now, which is the confirmation of
brett kavanaugh. i think he should be rejected, and hopefully a handful of senators on the republican side of the aisle will see fit to do so. i mean, this whole sordid affair indicates -- >> right, but nadler says if he's confirmed, that would mean that, you know, republicans would vote him in or democrats would come over, if some republicans didn't, and vote him in, he would be confirmed, and nadler is saying over the weekend that he thinks there should be an investigation. even after that. >> right, i think an investigation is different than the initiation of articles of impeachment. certainly, consistent with our oversight responsibilities on the judiciary committee, which is charged with overseeing the judicial branch of government of which the supreme court is the highest court in the land. that if there were credible allegations that a nominee subsequently confirmed perjured himself, misrepresented facts to the united states senate and the american people, that seems worthy of some sort of
oversight. what the consequences of that would be is hypothetical, and don't think that anyone is prepared to go down that particular road. >> okay. okay. mitch mcconnell says -- said yesterday and said again this morning that democrats are moving the goalposts when it comes to brett kavanaugh. first, it was delays over documents. now delays over christine blasey ford's allegation, and it includes did he tell the truth about his drinking in high school and college. make the case that is not moving the goalposts. >> i think mitch mcconnell has no credibility on this particular issue. barack obama was elected once, and then re-elected. and then had a supreme court nomination stolen from him because mitch mcconnell and his co-conspirators and now he wants to lecture us about process. >> you might think he has credibility, but, i mean, we say it all the time, do two wrongs make a right? >> i'm not saying two wrongs
make a right, but let's independently evaluate the dynamics. this is a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land, which will determine the rights and responsibilities of the american people for decades to come. it seems to me that we should not be operating on some artificial political timetable imposed on the american people by mitch mcconnell of all individuals who has no credibility to lecture us about timelines. given the fact that he stole a supreme court justice already in 2016. let's just allow a comprehensive investigation to take place, and then that information to be reported to the senators who have the advice and consent responsibility as well as the american people. >> will you take the fbi report as the final word? >> well, i think the fbi report should be thrown into the mix of information that has come out through this confirmation process. and of course, it's the senators' responsibility to make the ultimate determination as to whether to confirm or not.
but it should be a thorough report. it should be made available to the american people, because at the end of the day, this is a democracy, not a dictatorship, and we should be transparent with the information that is being used by individuals to decide a lifetime appointment. >> i guess i'll take that as a maybe. congressman, thank you so much for coming in. i appreciate your time. coming up next for us, amazon workers are getting a raise. the company says it's responding to critics and announcing a big bump for more than 350,000 workers. why now? one of amazon's top executives joins me next. welcome to the place...
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a major announcement from amazon this morning. the company raising its minimum wage to $15 an hour effective november 1st. the move comes after critics including senator bernie sanders called out amazon for not paying workers enough considering the company passed the trillion dollar value mark last month. the vermont senator today after the announcement now applauding amazon for this big move. joining me now, amazon senior environment jay carney. also former press secretary for president obama. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> bezos in the announcement said you listened to your critics. decided you wanted to lead. why now? >> well, for just that reason. we listened to a lot of critics, it's part of our culture to
examine ourselves, see if we're doing the right thing. and senator sanders was one of the people we listened to, among many. and when we saw the opportunity to raise wages at amazon, we decided we wanted to lead and not just raise them incrementally or marginally but give a significant boost to 350,000 employees at amazon by sitting a floor of $15 an hour. >> that's the difference between target or walmart in their incremental moves. amazon has been a consistent target, i think we could say, of president trump's. he's argued that you're taking advantage of the u.s. postal service, you're getting a subsidy from the taxpayers and hurting other retailers because of it. what do you say to the president? >> well, we didn't consult with the white house on this proposal. we certainly hope the administration would support what we're doing for amazon workers and also support what we're going to be doing with a lot of allies in calling on
congress to raise the federal minimum wage. at $7.25 an hour, amazon's $15 floor is more than twice the federal minimum wage and hopefully congress will take action to raise that. on other issues, look, we focus on our customers. we focus on delivering the best service and convenience we can to them. on postal service, you know, it's not taxpayer funded. our contract with the postal service is actually profit making for the postal service. we leave that to the experts to assess. and they have made that case. >> when president obama was in office, he did not raise -- was not able to raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour. you know how difficult it is to do. but especially when it comes to, i don't know, amazon's relationship with this president, how do you successfully advocate for $15 minimum wage on a federal level if you have this kind of relationship with the president of the united states? >> it's not about any party or
politician. this is really about america's workforce, and you know, we have seen wages depressed for a long time. and beginning to inch up, but this was an opportunity for amazon, a large employer, to take an action that would hopefully make us leaders and create some followers. some other companies that would do the same and also create momentum within congress to raise the minimum wage at the federal left, the statutory wage. we're not saying what that level ought to be. we know this is going to be something that will be a product of negotiation and debate. our floor is going to be $15 an hour, effective in just a few weeks. >> gotcha. let me ask you about brett kavanaugh. you worked for president obama. you know how important these supreme court picks are for a president. getting his supreme court nominee confirmed is top of mind. do you, where things are in terms of the allegations against brett kavanaugh, the investigation under way by the
fbi, do you think democrats should accept whatever the fbi ends up presenting in its final report and go to a final vote? >> well, i wouldn't want to speak for democratic or republican senators who ask for an additional investigation. i think they'll have to assess the product. assess what the fbi produces. what i can say from my own experience, both working for president obama and prior to that, covering president clinton and president george w. bush and their supreme court nominees, is that these are lifetime appointments to the highest court in the land. it's incredible important position, and there are only nine of them, and it's worth taking time to make sure we get the best possible nominee on the court. in president obama's time, that was elaiena kagan and sona sotomayor. their are both excellent justices. >>. coming up for us, desperation grows in indonesia
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more than 1200 people are now confirmed dead following the earthquake and tsunami that ravaged indonesia this week, and officials are fearing still that the death toll is going to rise significantly, saying hundreds of victims are now being buried in mass graves and also family members are just combing through
body bags to find the missing, digging through rubble, desperately in search of their loved ones. matt rivers has been in palu, indonesia, for us. one of the hardest hit areas. he filed this report. >> kate, as the days go on after this earthquake and the subsequent tsunami, we're learning more about the big picture in terms of how wide the impact of these two events were. let's start with this concept of liqueification, which sounds like this scientific term, and it is, but basically, if we're going to distill it down, it's when during an earths quake, the solid ground takes on the qualities of water. what we saw in this event was entire towns, entire villages essentially swallowed up by the mud. there was a town which isn't too far away from where we are, 750 or so houses were the victim of this liqueification event, essentially sinking into the ground. it's equal parts fascinating and
horrifying. then there's these before and after pictures that come out. every time you see these pictures, they're shocking, but in this one, it really is. look at the before and the after. it just shows you how widespread this damage is. entire communities just wiped out. and that's why we're seeing scenes like this. this was a multiple story shopping mall that was essentially brought to its knees during this earthquake in which multiple people died. search and rescue efforts at this very site are ongoing in the hopes of some sort of miracle of finding someone alive. now, as for the rest of the people, the people who have lost their houses, they're getting increasingly frustrated with what they're calling a slow government response. we spent an entire day today in these kind of homeless communities that have just sprung up with people who have lost everything. they complain about a lack of electricity, water, food, hygiene, health care. the list goes on, and they're blaming the indonesian government for a lack of a swift response. the government here says that
they're doing the best they can in a very difficult environment. they have asked for international aid, but it's not changing the minds of people on the ground. they were so affected by this devastating event and they want their government to do more, kate. >> matt, thank you so much for bringing us that. really horrible to look at. coming up next for us, five weeks until the midterms. president trump is telling his supporters the race is all about him. what does that mean in some of the tightest races right now? opportunity is everywhere. like here. and here. see? opportunity. hi! cinturones por favor. gracias. ev-er-y-where. about to be parents. it's doing a lot of kicking down there. meeting the parents. it's gonna be fine. and this driver, logging out to watch his kid hit one out of the... go dani, go! opportunity is everywhere. all you have to do to find it is get out... here. ♪
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>> even donald trump saying the senate is up -- is a toss-up. president trump raising the stakes for the midterms in a rally in tennessee last night. it's one of three critical states democrats are fighting for as they hope to win back the senate. right now, with a little more than a month to go, two pivotal races remain a toss-up that we're going to focus on. a new cnn poll shows that in missouri, a state trump won, democratic senator claire mccaskill is edging out her republican challenger by just three points. that's within the margin of error. similar case in nevada where incumbent senator dean heller is now trailing his foe by four points. that's a state trump lost to hillary clinton in 2016. what does it all mean? joining me now, david chalian and cnn writer and senior political writer, whatever his name is, harry anten. i don't care at this point. harry, let's start with nevada. what do you see in nevada? what's going on? >> look, dean heller, incumbent. that's a good thing, but the fact is this is a state hillary
clinton won, a state barack obama won twice. if democrats are going to take back the senate, they have a net gain of two. the easiest path is winning in arizona, in nevada, jacky rosen is ahead in our poll. if they can win in those two states and hold the states where they currently have an incomedant democrat, they'll control the majority. >> specificall on the issue of what's on in the two in nevada as harry noted, it's
trump' approval numbers upside down. that is helping jackie rosen a bit, no doubt and head winds for dean heller. in missouri, what is interesting missou if it weren't for the fact that back, might be in a tougher fight. is opposite of where their the natural dna of the state is >> what are you watching in missou >> the question is whether clair mccaskill is popular enough to incumb in mid-term elections are dating back and only four only four.
this i a state where donald does clair mccaskill's if more disapprove than approve, missou will be the one state >> because you are unsure? >> i'm so unsure of the result is popular and the democratic battle >> in missouri, she is doing so indepe is winning by her new ad is about professing party. >> this lead me to this. presid made it clear listen to this. >> congress is on the tick think of it as the same thing.
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