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>> reporter: welcome to our continuing coverage from florida. i'm erica hill in panama city beach. brooke baldwin has made her way to mexico beach, florida. we're going to get to brooke in a moment. just to give you a sense of the destruction here that we are seeing here behind me in panama city beach, there a major structural issue behind me at this boat barn, which looks like a tornado tore through it. entire neighborhoods have been
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wiped out. one woman said nothing's left outside of the shelter where she is staying. there is virtually no cell phone services. the death toll has now risen. it now stands at five. but some of the biggest questions were left unanswered because people get into mexico beach. that is ground zero for where this massive storm roared ashore with more than 150 mile-an-hour winds. brooke baldwin and her team are there, and she has some of the first reporting from the ground. brooke? >> reporter: let me tell you, the best part of our day has been sharing our satellite phone. there is absolutely zero cell service where i am here in mexico beach, sharing our satellite phone with various people who either rode out the storm and survived or one woman who had to walk from the neighboring town along the beach came in and she was gracious enough to let us walk with her
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as she saw her house was gone. to be able to hand her this phone so she could call her daughter, so another man could call his baby brother has been nothing short of extraordinary, to see the looks and the tears as people have been able to call loved ones to tell them they're okay because this -- this is what their loved ones are seeing on television. this is -- this was mexico beach, florida. it's a small seaside town between port st. joe and panama city beach. it took the brunt of the storm. we've seen blackhawk helicopters, the national guard h humvees come through. i was asking about death toll. they said it's too preliminary, they couldn't give us any numbers just yet, but they said it looks bad. in order for us even to get
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here, it's been a journey. the roads have been impassable. trees are down for miles. so we were able to get up in a helicopter. i want to just share with you part of our journey in getting here and what we saw. quite honestly, our first reaction when we saw the first bit of devastation from the air. >> reporter: oh, my god. we're above panama beach city right now. this is the first sign of devastation that i've seen. i was just told this is where erica hill was this morning. but look at this. look at this marina down below. these warehouses of boats destroyed, just toppled over and crushed by the sheer force of the winds all around us. these four massive facilities. it's incredible actually to see. one of them is perfectly pristine, not even touched.
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just as we were discussing last year, almost similar to a tornado when it skips homes. the winds at 165 miles per hour annihilated two of these %-py put their boats up for the season. it's just unreal. it is unreal to see with your own eyes. i just wanted to show you this as we're en route to mexico beach. we have just now flown over mexico beach and it's gone. it's gone. we're going to show you guys
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exactly how bad it is. i mean, it's -- it's oblitera d obliterated. and it's awful to look at. i mean, just as we watched the deterioration along the coastline, it was bad in panama city beach, but i've never seen anything like this. i see some people -- i see about half a dozen people on the ground. i can see some official emergency vehicles. you know, we wanted to get in. we wanted to -- because these roads were impassable and you can understand why by looking at these pictures, we want to land this helicopter and tell the stories of the few people who did ride this thing out. just imagine this is your home, this is your livelihood, this is where you love. this is beautiful, pristine mexico beach florida along this gorgeous part of the florida
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panhandle. here we've made it to mexico beach, florida. we saw it over from a helicopter and we finally now have been able to get a signal to talk to you because there's no cell service anywhere near here. the pictures tell the story. i said it from the sky, i'll say it having been here, mexico beach is gone. we are standing in what would be somebody's back yard. i have seen mattresses, cars, grills, books, toilets, all just tossed around because of the storm surge and also because of just the sheer velocity of the winds. but to me, we wanted to stand right here in front of this home. this home used to be about a football field away right along the water. the storm and the wind carried it 100 yards this way and landed it on its side like straight out of "the wizard of oz." scott, come on in, sir.
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you have been incredible to wait with us while we got a signal. come closer to me. come closer to me. this is scott. scott lives in mexico beach. >> my home was right here. >> your home was right here. you rode it out. >> we stayed -- we felt that the hurricane was not going to increase but decrease. we tried to stay until the day before yesterday and then after the bridges all closed and everything, we had to stay here. we had to bunker down. so you can see behind me and stuff how all the homes when the surge came in and stuff, it was so tremendous that once it came in, you can't do anything. all the homes just crumbled and -- >> reporter: what did you see float by your window? >> the cars were floating by and stuff. all the debris was in the air.
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the wind was so strong and stuff. the next thing, the water. when the water came in, houses started floating in front of our home and stuff. once you seen that, then everything just went black. you couldn't see anything anywhere. the storm was so strong. these are houses of friends. these are there are homes and belongings. >> reporter: your home belongings. we found you on the main road carrying your one brief cacase managed to find. >> that's all there was. we had furniture in our house that wasn't even our furniture. the surge brought stuff in so bad. the walls collapsed and everything. the only thing i could find of ours was my briefcase. >> reporter: his briefcase. that is how i found scott.
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imagine walking up and down the stretch of highway 98 looking to my right, this shouldn't be an ocean view but it is now because these homes are gone. just trying to imagine, trying to put myself in these people's shoes. i saw a little girl clutching a rooster and she was just screaming "i found him, i found him." we've heard dogs barking, presumably people are trapped. that is why fire and rescue is here banging on all these doors. people here are exhausted, those who chose to ride the storm out, and they are devastated. but at least those who survived survived and that's what they're choosing to hold on to as they are overwhelmed at the thought of what next. dana bash, i'm going to go to you in washington, d.c. as as i do so, it's eerie quiet in
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a place like this. it's beeping in the background, all the fire alarms, smoke detectors ripped out of homes. it's the oddest noise as you walk through what was someone's home. >> right, beeps that are supposed to tell you something is coming or something is happening. but that is obviously happening, brooke. i will just say the fact that you and our team there obviously are doing tremendous work. at times like this, you're a journalist to observe and explain what happened and also a human being. and the fact that you all are able to help people there get word to their loved ones because you have technology that they don't have really important. of course you're doing that, brooke baldwin. we'll get back to you very, very soon for more of your amazing reporting. as we see the devastation across florida, here's what's happening inside the oval office today. >> if he don't look good, we
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don't look good. this is our president! >> it's true. >> rapper kanye west going off in front of reporters in the oval office sitting across from the president, leaving him rather speechless. and the state department is about to face questions in response to the journalist missing. what, if anything, is president trump going to do about it? we confess. we stole everything we could. from everything we've ever mastered. and put it here. the all-new lexus es. a product of mastery. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.
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legend jim brown met with president trump. it was just before the trio set off for lunch. the president had the least to say. you have to see it to believe it. here is a small portion of kanye west's monologue. >> what i need "saturday night live" to him prove on or the liberals to improve on, if he don't look good, we don't look good. this is our president. he has to be the pressure efres flyest and we have to improve our core and bring jobs into america. our best export is entertainment ideas. we're putting people to have to do illegal things to end up in the cheapest factory ever, the prison system. >> i'll tell you what, that was pretty impressive. i hate to say this, jim, do you
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want to say something? what do you do after that? >> joining me now is white house correspondent kaitlan collins and, wes, let me start with you. what was going through your mind watching that? >> it was certainly a remarkable spectacle at a time when we see these reports from brooke down at the ravaged florida host after the hurricane where we're awaiting any updates on our colleague presumed assassinated by the saudi government, that this kind of spectacle is taking place in the white house with a controversial celebrity, who in this conversation disclosed he's been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. there are very few words to describe what we saw. you could argue that it was sad.
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it certainly was remarkable and it was entertaining but empty calories. >> kaitlan, what are you hearing from your sources inside the white house how the president viewed this going in? was he looking for press coverage or a real conversation about the issues that were technically on the agenda? >> reporter: we've seen the president tout kanye west supporting him multiple times. he has been touting that support. but people in the white house are a little stunned by what went down today because this a white house that experiences surreal moments on nearly a daily basis, but this, dana, was one of the most surreal today. even jim brown, this legendary football player, was sitting there.
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he didn't get many words in. neither did jared kushner who has been leading justice form and neither did ivanka trump. the president is rarely to speak the least in any room he's been in. kanye west went into this lengthy monologue that went for about ten minutes without interruption. he talked about manufacturing, how he'd been misdiagnosed with bipolar disorder, talked about democrats and how he'd been criticized for supporting president trump and pitched president trump replacing air force i with a new idea. even president trump, dana, was at a loss for words at one point. he said, i thought this was just going to be a lunch and then this lengthy meeting. they also did talk a little bit about criminal justice reform,
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president trump references kim kardashian. certainly a fascinating meeting. you just got to wonder what even happened during their lunch after that. >> i'm glad you brought up kim kardashian. she did have a successful meeting in private, without the cameras. a picture was released. she, of course, was able to convince him to give clechl lemo alice johnson. what we heard kanye west talk about today was a man named larry hoover in a super max for a 150-200 year murder sentence. what do you make of that? >> for people who may not be aware that larry hoover is the leader of one of the most deadly gangs on the south side.
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viewers will recall the rick ross lyrics. larry hoover has been incarcerated for decades in this point and in the 90s and 2000s began doing community work and creating political action organizations to gain political power even behind bars in chicago and at the time then received additional charges with prosecutors alleging that he was still running the drug trade, even from behind bars. he's become a bit of a cause celeb. some in chicago saying he was attempting to be a positive influence in chicago. at the end of the day, he's been convicted of murder and the founder of an extremely violent gang. can i remember and recall the controversies when the president invited in a relatively
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uncontroversial rapper to read poetry at the white house. i can't imagine having a rapper across the oval office advocating for the release of a gang leader. >> one quick question, colin kaepernick. he wore that "make america great hat." any talk on whether he could have success on turning the president around on such a controversial issue that he uses to talk to his base about nfl players kneeling during the national anthem? >> reporter: well, dana, you wonder if that's going to be a topic that comes up. kanye west talked about how he wanted to see colin capper nk we -- kaepernick wear the same cap that he was wearing.
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it's pretty much everyone's guess at this point. >> i'm going to guess no. >> no truer words have been said. thank you very much for that discussion and especially your insight. we're going to go now over to the state department. . >> the president in some kind of interview this morning said you guys had investigators on the ground and a turkish official said that's not correct. what's the story here? >> the united states has covered its support to the turkish government to provide law enforcement assistance to the turkish government. in terms of whether or not we have people on the ground, that's not something i can address here from this podium. that's not something that the state department does. i'd have to refer you to some of our other government agencies that could or would be involved with that such as department of justice and others. >> reporter: but there are
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regional security officers on the ground already. they're always there. you can't say -- >> our diplomatic security officers to my knowledge don't handle those types of investigations. they handle state department matters only. >> reporter: the first part of the question, is there anything new in terms of your understanding or lack of understanding of what happened? >> i think it's something that's really important to keep in perspective. as we have said from the beginning, we are not certain about what happened to jamal khashoggi. the secretary released a statement earlier this week, the vice president has talked about this, the president has talked about this. we are all concerned about his whe whereabouts. we don't have any information on his whereabouts right now or what happened to him. there are a ton of humors out there. we are making determinations and
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watching this for facts. we don't have the facts yet, so we are going to hold back on our comments until we have concrete information the u.s. government can share. we don't have that information at this point right now. an investigation, our understanding, is under way. we're not going to get ahead of that. >> reporter: the turks -- turkey has announced that they are going to join in or take part in some kind of working group with the saudis to shed light on what happened. is this something that you might be involved in, or is it something you would welcome? >> let me just take that part. we welcome a thorough and transparent investigation. we've been extremely clear about that. i can also add another piece of information, that we have communicated with the saudi ambassador to the united states. it's my understanding that he's on his way back to saudi arabia. we have said to him that we expect information upon his return to the united states.
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when and if we have additional information to bring you, we will bring it to you right away. >> reporter: is it your understanding, did you tell him that he better -- >> we absolutely did not. that was not at our direction. i can't speak on behalf of that government. i can tell you i'm told that he's headed back to his home country, and we expect some information when he gets back. >> reporter: have you told him not to bother coming back unless he has an explanation in. >> not now, no. i'm not going to get ahead of things. this has the highest attention at the highest levels of the government. >> reporter: i'm not making light of this. have you told him when you get back here, you better have -- >> we would like information. >> reporter: yesterday i asked robert and other people did, too, about reports about intelligence -- or reports that you did have intelligence, that
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there might be some harm that came to him. he gave a kind of cryptic answer at first, said that you had no advance notice of his disappearance. when i pushed him and said does that mean you didn't have any advanced notice that anything bad might happen to him, not disappearance necessarily, he said "we had no advanced notice." i want to clarify, does that mean you had no advanced notice about anything that might possibly happen to him at the consulate? >> almost never do you hear us talk about matters of intelligence here at the state. i'm not going to get into those matters of intelligence. an investigation is under way. have i nothi i have nothing to add beyond what robert said yesterday here at the podium. the united states government will continue to offer support.
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we will provide information based on facts, based on information that we have. when we don't have facts, we won't bring them to you. i will be mindful of the speculation and a lot of rumors out there and let's wait for solid information. leslie, go ahead. >> reporter: he's gone with a message from washington back to riyadh, or was he recalled -- >> no. my understanding is he's on husband way back there and when you get back, we'd like to get a report from you. >> reporter: so the message from the u.s. is bring us what the saudis know or the outcome of an investigation or -- i'm just a little confused. >> there's no reason to be confused. there is an investigation under way. we're not going to get ahead of that investigation. we'll let that investigation play out. a lot of people want answers at this point. understandably so. we're not going to get ahead of
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those investigations. bring us what you have and we'll go from there. >> reporter: and above what the secretary and bolton discussed with the crown price yesterday. >> what does that mean? >> yesterday bolton and two institutions yesterday spoke to the crown prince. were they not satisfied with what they were told and therefore -- >> obviously we have multiple agencies and departments in the united states government that are paying close attention to this issue, so i would not make the assumption that we didn't get satisfactory answers and therefore required another level of communication. this is obviously an interagency effort. >> reporter: i have another question. >> hold on. >> reporter: i don't have much more for you on that. i'm not going to led this go on and on. i'm not going to speculate here.
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>> reporter: the saudi ambassador left because of this incident or was he planning on going -- >> okay, third time. third time. we did not request that he would go. any additional information on that, i'd have to refer you to the saudi government. we simply said when you come back, provide us a report. >> reporter: who spoke with him from state? >> i don't have information for you on that, because we've had exchanges at multiple levels. >> reporter: reporters without borders requested or asked that the u.n. step in to have an investigation into this. is that something that the u.s. would support ? >> that's the first i'm hearing of it. i'm just not aware of that. >> you're listening to the state department, a briefing with heather nauert there.
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not giving a lot of answers and being direct and saying she doesn't plan to until she has more information. i want to go to an opinion writer for "the washington post," who has unfortunately experienced very dangerous censorship on a foreign government, not just being censored but being in prison. >> jason was in prison for a year and a half because of his reporting on the iran government. i really appreciate you are being here. this hits home on a lot of levels because of your experience and because you've worked with him. i'm so sorry for all of that. what have you heard? i'm asking you to put your reporter hat on and also to tell us from the perspective from the "post" about the fate of your friend. >> i've heard a lot, just as
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everybody else following the story has. what we're hearing doesn't really match up. and then days on, there's still more questions than answers. it's very disconcerting for us here at "the post" and also the journalistic community at large. we're facing a situation where on the soil of a nato ally in the diplomatic mission of a very close ally, one of our contributors has disappeared and potentially murdered in a really gruesome way. we're searching for answers and at the same time we're also searching for accountability and wondering what the american response will be to this and what the international response will be at a time when journalists around the world are facing greater and greater threats to their safety and security. >> that's an understatement. the foreign relations chair in the senate, bob corker, said today that the intel points
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directly at the saudis. he also said this -- take a listen. >> i mean, i think they did it and unfortunately i think that he's deceased. they certainly could produce him and changes the narrative there. >> you just heard the end of the state department briefing there wouldn't go there, but that's a pretty high-ranking official making a statement. he say "i think think" not "i k" >> we've seen people of the state defendant coming out and saying we need more answers. the initial response was slow but over the past few days has increase in intensity. i think to the extent that he was willing to talk about it, the president kind of made clear that american business relations
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with saudi arabia are not going to be undermined by the potential murder of a journalist. i think, you know, that's very scary, disheartening and goes against a lot of the values of our country, if that's the attitude that he's going to take. but it's a level of clarity that, you know, is quite shocking. >> jason, just on a personal level, you know, what goes through your mind as somebody who was a victim of cross currents, diplomatic cross currents just trying to do your job, to know what we think might have happened but, you know, the best case scenario, perhaps, sources are saying maybe he's in prison. that is something you dealt with for a year and a half in iran. what is going through your mind right now? >> first and foremost i hope
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that jamal is alive and is freed and is able to return to us here at "the post" and is able to travel freely and live his life, as he should be able to. at the same time, i think the number of instances is rising so much. the fact that it's one of our own here at "the post," we're able to shine a deep light to the situation and give a clear picture of who jamal was and the sort of work he was doing and voice and important stories he was telling from saudi arabia and about that country. you know, those things are so essential to kind of creating a better picture of a case like this. jamal want really doing anything wrong. you know, he did not deserve anything that may have happened to him. you know, i just hope that the government of saudi arabia or turkey or whoever's responsible is held accountable.
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>> and the president is saying that he's not going to stop this, you know, $500 million arm sales deal, but you're also seeing as we're speaking senior members of congress saying whoa, whoa, whoa, not so fast. we'll see how that plays out. jason, thank you so much for sharing your insights and your personal story. appreciate it. coming up, cnn is on the ground in mexico beach, florida where residents are getting a first look, as is cnn, at the damage caused by hurricane michael. plus right now the dow is taking another dive after yesterday's 800-point drop. hear who president trump is blaming. your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient
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welcome back to mexico beach, florida. i'm brooke baldwin. this is special live coverage of the aftermath of hurricane michael, category four. for those of you who have been watching us here today, it's rare that we're able to bring you this live signal and get in here in the first place. we're told the faa has closed the airspace and we're getting special permission to leave. what you've been watching and seen behind me the last two
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hours, this isn't the worst of it. this one sliver of this three-mile stretch of highway 98. we didn't say let's find the live shot with the worst backdrop. this is what it looks like as far as the eye can see. just to give you perspective of this seaside town, close knit, especially for people who live here year round. year round you've got about a thousand to 1,500 people. when it's really moving and grooving, it's about 10,000 people i was told. just to see this place entirely leveled and to walk with people who have come upon what was their home -- i was with a woman earlier today who could only tell where her home was because of how the pathway was paved in concrete 11 years ago when she moved move here to mexico beach. the rest of it was totally gone. i mean, i'm just silenced looking around at the pieces of homes, someone's hot tub is
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turned around. people's homes because of this tremendous storm surge, 13 feet, carried homes across this highway and landed them upside down. this is a sliver of the worst devastation in florida. i want to give a special thanks to timber pilots from destin, florida to give us an opportunity to show you how bad it is. when we come back, we've been talking to various fire and rescue people who have been going door to door. we know the storm has claimed six lives total but it is still so early. that's what i've heard from miami fire and rescue, it's still so early to put a number
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a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! . we're back here in what's been described as ground zero of this hurricane michael here in mexico beach, florida, and i've got john bailoilliot here with n the phone.
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i understand you and your guys were trying to help folks here. were trying to ride the storm out, and it was pretty emotional for you just given what you saw. can you talk me through some of that? >> yeah, the navy, we went out there tuesday afternoon and left louisiana about 10:00 this morning and we got out there and we started helping evacuate people. people that waited until the last minute or people that didn't have a legitimate, you know, ride out of there. started bringing up people out through panama city it, and whenever we started doing that, i think it was probably wednesday afternoon by lunchtime, maybe 1:00, and we could tell that it was starting to get bad. there was a group hauled to the
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shelter, turned around and picked up another group, and we were coming back it started to hit real hard. we saw waves that were 15 to 20-foot waves and we hurried up and left panama city beach. we get on the bridge, and i never thought that, you know, winds would actually pick up a -- and as we were there on the bridge, experienced 100 to 125-mile-per-hour hours and decided to call it quits, you know, drop them off to the shelter and went back to our safety point at the holiday inn on martin luther king, decided to get, you know, everybody in, and that's when it really started hitting hard. got really emotional. >> yeah. >> they had some babies out there, you know, that were there. one of the babies, one of the
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windows blew out and cut a baby all up and cut up a few of the moms, the aunts, a whole bunch of people, and -- and the front door actually blew in. in the midst of that they had boarded up the front of the hotel and all the windows and bad and it got real bad, 200 miles per hour plus, and all the plywood flew off of the hotel and demolished our personal truck which was hooked up to our service trailer, and it demolished, i want to say by six or seven more vehicles out there, and when i say demolished i'm saying that we had 2 x 4s and plywood that blew through my windshield and through my two passenger side window. it looked like you would have took a knife and that's what it actually looked like on the side of my truck. also, you know, we had some
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debris that flew and hit the manifold and right now we're actually headed back. we just left. we're headed back to lafayette, louisiana to get, you know -- to drop off my personal truck and get some mechanic on the military truck because that one-mile per gallon kind of stunk, you know. you know, it's been a real, real emotional roller coaster ride. >> for you and for so many people out here, i mean, you talk about houses being moved by the storm surge. i've seen now the aftermath of the homes crossing highways, upside down, you name it. i've seen it, and -- and the -- i just -- you know, there was a man by the name of john, talking about your car. i've seen so many windshields shattered because people were driving out of donnell and having trees fall on their cars.
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one guy was able to give a battery for me to do a live shot from his car that was pretty banged up from slamming into a tree. this is what it's like out here right now. john, thank you so much. the i appreciate it. american cajun navy. safe travels back to louisiana. quick break. we're back after this.
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tankersley. he is a tax and economics reporter from the "new york times." jim, calling the federal reserve crazy certainly is -- is noteworthy for the fact that it's against protocol, but what about what it really means and whether he has any solidity to what he's saying. >> i think we can very safely say that the federal reserve is not acting crazy right now. it's been telegraphing interest rate increases steadily for the past year so it's not like suddenly overnight the fed decided to hike up rates. the president knew and he didn't like it and has been criticizing the fed for months now. >> and a fed chairman that he himself appointed. we should add that. >> what about quickly the tech stocks that we're seeing, what's happening? >> we're seeing some concerns because rates are going up, treasury rates are going up, treasury yields are going up. some concern maybe that companies won't be able to borrow as cheaply and that could
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impact growth and so there's a bit of a selloff. now the question is whether that's going to be a big selloff. we've seen two days of, but definitely it's a dive for a couple of days. >> thank you so much for that very brief and very important bit of context there reporting. appreciate it. and coming off her first solo trip abroad, first lady melania trump is opening up saying she's one of the most bullied people in the world, if not the most. the revelation came as she explained what made her create the bebest initiative which aims to combat bullying. >> what happened to you personally or what did you see personally that you thought you wanted to tackle this issue? >> i could say i'm the most bullied person on the world. >> you think you're the most bullied person in the world? >> one of them if you really see what people are saying about me. that's why i -- i -- you know, my be best initiative is focusing on social media. >> and the first lady also talked about how she watches her
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husband's back. >> has he had people that you didn't trust working for him? >> yes. >> did you let him know? >> i let him know. >> some people didn't work there anymore, and it's very difficult sometimes because i'm so busy with my -- my office, i don't get involved with the west wing. >> do you think there's still people there that he can't trust? >> yes. >> still working now? >> yes. >> joining me now, cnn's kate bennett. kate, we have so many things to unpack there in just a little bit of time. first of all, the irony of be best, saying that she's the most bullied person in the world. you have the floor, my friend. >> well, i mean, listen, she's faced this criticism since she announced it in march. she said i know that tackling this issue, i know there are critics out there. she's aware of it. she said she's going to do it anyway. i don't think her husband's behavior is going to change in terms of bullying, but what she's trying to do here is get a
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little bit of sympathy for herself and try to deflect that into focussing on best. >> do you think by saying she's the most bullied person in the world that will endepegender th sympathy? i'm not asking for your sources but how this interview played and the reaction. >> i don't think the reaction has had a lot of empathy for her. michelle obama face the a lot of bullying in the white house. she's put herself in the spotlight and married a spotlight. now first lady. comes with the turf. a couple years ago on the campaign she said i have a thick skin, don't feel sorry for me and now having been there sounds like a different story. >> kate, she did say pubically what you and i have heard for a lot of time. she has a lot of power when it comes to the political advice that she gives to the president, but also there is a lot of tension between the east wing as you call it, the first lady's office and many people who work
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for her husband. >> completely agree. it's a very interesting scenario, and certainly she's wielding some power there. >> very much. we're going to get more on that i'm sure as the days and weeks come out. maybe we'll hear and see more of the first lady. kate bennett, thanks so much. i'm dana bash. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. >> will you remember where you were when president trump pro hugged kanye? "the lead" starts right now. a cnn exclusive, breaking now in the special counsel's investigation, president trump is about to begin answering robert mueller's questions, but not everything is on the table. whole neighborhoods gone. today the shocking devastation revealed after hurricane michael ran over the florida panhandle. plus, he walked into the saudi consulate and apparently never walked out. today the new questions about the disappearance of a reporter
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about a crown prince's alleged murder plot and about the white house for not pushing the saudis for answers. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. you can hear the bell there. we're beginning with breaking news in the money lead. the dow closing down more than 500 points today, a second day in a row of triple-digit losses wiping out most of the gains the dow has made this year. cnn's alison kosik is live at the new york stock exchange for us. alison, what's behind these massive losses? >> look at that number, the dow down 541 points. you know what, jake. in the last hour the swings were so wild. the dow would fall 400 points and 500 points and 700 points, even hardy stock traders i saw on the floor, they couldn't believe the volatile swings that the dow made. now, there's no one reason for the two-day selloff, but higher interest rates, there's a real trigger here. pressure has been building for a while,