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russian official. this is the spokesperson for vladimir putin. he got in touch with us on the way to the g 20 summit and said >> fred pleitgen, we appreciate it so much. thank you. this morning the nation and the world are remembering former president george herbert walker bush, the 41st president of the united states. good morning, i'm victor blackwell. >> i'm christi paul. the former president died overnight. he was 94 years old and in houston. this of course after months of declining health. george herbert walker bush dedicated his life to serving first as a navy pilot, then as a congressman, a diplomat, as the
head of the cia. cnn's jake tapper looks back at the legacy of his work here in the united states. the president's work. not just here in the u.s. but on the world stage. >> reporter: historians say that president george h.w. bush's dialings set the gold standard for the presidency -- >> a big idea, a new world order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind. >> reporter: president bush charted u.s. policies that promoted eastern europe's peaceful emergence from communism. the fall of the berlin wall, the breakup of the soviet union, and the end of u.s.-soviet proxy wars in nicaragua and el salvador. >> some had felt that we were so infat waited in the change -- infatuated in the change with eastern europe that we were
neglecting this hemisphere. that is not the case. regime he removed a drug-dealing strongman, manuel noriega, turning it into the narco state. and the biggest u.s. military operation since the vietnam war, president bush put together an international coalition that liberated kuwait after it had been invaded by saddam hussein's iraq. >> the skies over baghdad have been illuminated. >> reporter: after just over five weeks of aerial bombardment, coalition ground forces pushed the iraqi army out of kuwait in just three days. >> we stood our ground because the world would not look the other way. ambassador al saab atonight kuwait is -- al saba, tonight kuwait is free. >> reporter: the cover of "time" magazine of two george bushs sums up his presidency. the uplifting world leader on the international stage and the one in washington, d.c., weighed
down by a sputtering economy and d.c.'s endless political wars. president bush tried to be bipartisan from day one. >> putting out my hands to you, mr. speaker, putting out my hand to you, mr. majority leader. >> reporter: democrats who controlled both houses of congress and sometimes even his fellow republicans slapped that hand away. alarmed by then-record deficits, the president broke his most memorable campaign promise -- >> read my lips, no new taxes. [ cheers ] >> reporter: convinced it was in the national interest to compromise, he agreed to a bipartisan deal cutting spending and raising taxes. he broke a major campaign pledge, and then saw the deal shot down by house conservatives. a second attempt passed but did not stop the recession in time. bush's nomination of clarence thomas to the u.s. supreme court provoked another acrimonious fight. democrats dug up claims of sexual harassment. >> this is a circus. a national disgrace.
and from my standpoint, as a black american, as far as i'm concerned, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks. >> reporter: and bush's approval rating an unheard of 91% by the end of the gulf war slowly eroded. the recession he could not stop ended up costing him a second term. back up president bush left indelible marks on the nation as well as on the world. he signed the clean-air act of 1990 calling it one of his administration's greatest domestic achievements. he also signed the americans with disabilities act prohibiting job discrimination and, to this day, opening buildings and public transportation to millions of americans. it is no wonders that modern presidents from both parties looked up to him. >> mr. president, i'm one of millions of people who have been inspired by your passion and your commitment. we are surely a kinder and gentler nation because of you, and we can't thank you enough. [ applause ] >> reporter: jap tke tapper, cn.
>> president bush was born into privilege but lived a life of service to the american people. he he and his wife raised his children with the same qualities. >> he fought in world war ii, took part in the texas oil boom, served out a distinguished career in public service including serving as president during the final days of the cold war. cnn's camy hae kaylee hartung i houston, the city of course that is honoring the former president. what's happening there in good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. as so many people are waking up to the news of george h.w. bush's passing, so, too, are houstonians. the people who called him their neighbor. we're here outside of the residence that george h.w. bush and barbara shared together for so many years. houston's mayor reminding us that following their departure from the white house, they could have gone anywhere but chose to
kplk about to their beloved -- it come back to their beloved city where his political career first began. we've seen so many statements coming in. but poignantly walnut from george w. bush that says, "jeb, neil, marvin, doro, and i are saddened to announce that after 94 remarkable years our dad has died. george h.w. bush was a man of the highest character and the best dad a son or daughter could ask for. the entire family is grateful for 41th life and love. for the passion of those who have cared and prayed for dad, and the condolences of our friends and fellow citizens." of course we anticipate the bush family congregating in houston over the next couple of days. we expect there to be a private service at st. martin's episcopal church, a couple of blocks from the home that george and barbara shared together. then his body will be taken to washington, d.c., where he will lie in state in the u.s. capitol as former presidents before him have. and most recently, senator john mccain.
he will then eventually after a service at the national cathedral be brought back to houston for a larger service. again, at st. martin's episcopal church. then he will finally be laid to rest at texas a&m university, the home of the bush presidential labor. and overnight we saw a vigil people bringing candles to his statue and remembering our 41st president. you may remember, following barbara's death this past april, there was a cartoon in "usa today" that went viral. it showed barbara entering the gates of heaven being greeted by her daughter, robin, who died when she was just 3 years old of leukemia. well, the cartoonist, marshall ramsey, has outdone himself with a followup to that cartoon that you'll see in the paper today. here you see george h.w. bush there arriving in heaven by way of the plane he flew for the
navy in world war ii, and there he is reunited with barbara and his dear brown. the cartoonist -- dear robin. the cartoonist ramsey said following the first cartoon he received a note from the preside president's chief of staff, no longer able to write because of parkinson's disease, that he was so familiar to write over the years to friends and to strangers. but the cartoonist said that the note he received from bush's chief of staff really conveyed the president's sentiments. it was humble and gracious. he said this just one of the many ways that we can imagine this 41st president being remembered as now a week-long journey will begin for all of us to remember his incredible life and legacy. >> yeah. real tribute to an american hero. former american president. kaylee hartung, thank you very much. let's put that back up. that most recent -- >> it takes your breath away. i mean, you saw me, and you know
i'm -- it just -- oh, wow. >> we have it for you. we waited for you. >> we waited for you. that is something. you hope for his family that they look at that and go, yeah. >> yeah. >> all is well. >> well done. so george h.w. bush spent the majority of life in public service as we've been talking about. two terms as vice president under ronald reagan before becoming president in 1989. this is a picture here, this here you see, the last time that he appeared in public performing his civic duty. that is george h.w. bush voting earlier this month in houston with one of his best friends to the right and one of his best friends to the left. >> james bakker. abby phillip is live in buenos aires where president trump is attending the g20 summit this weekend. what has been the response from president trump, from this white house? >> reporter: good morning. the president has been here for the last day or so taking
meetings at the g20. overnight we heard from the white house the first statement from them, offering their c condolenc condolences, a lengthy statement, tribute to president george h.w. bush. it says through his essential authenticity, disarming wit, and unwavering commitment to faith, family, and country, president bush inspired generations of his fellow americans to public service. to be, in his words, a thousand points of light illuminating the greatness, hope, and opportunity of america to the world. our heartache with his loss, and we, the american people, send our prayers to the entire bush family as we honor the life and legacy of 41." this is a white house that is full of bush veterans, though the president has. necessarily had -- president has not necessarily had the easiest relationship with the bush family. we have seen in this statement the president and first lady melania trump and the white
house at large offering really a broad tribute to the legacy of a former republican president, a president whose wife passed away earlier this year. and melania trump was the representative for the trump administration, attending her funeral. president trump was not invited to the funeral. we haven't gotten much of a response in terms of how this -- this event will be honored. it is customary for the president and for a lot of the administration to be there. we did see melania trump herself separately offering a tweet of condolences. re-tweeting the message from the white house and offering her condolences to the bush family, as well. so over the next couple of hours, i think we'll hear more from president trump as we see him at the g20. the flags at the white house have been lowered. i think we'll see much more over
the course of the weekend. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. more breaking news we're following this morning. the president's former attorney michael cohen believed that president trump was going to protect him if he faced any charges. plus, the extent of cohen's cooperation with the special counsel. we'll talk about that ahead. we're also taking a look at one of bush 41's key diplomatic achievements -- helping to end the cold war. >> the biggest thing that has happened in the world in my life, in our lives, is this -- by the grace of god, america won the cold war. here we go.
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will be remembered for many thing things. but one of his kia, chiefments was -- kiey achievements was helping to end the cold war. >> president george h.w. bush was capable and committed, he seized the moment and shaped history. he'll be remembered as one of the architects of the post-cold war era and as a true tra trans-atlantist. >> more from jim sciutto. the biggest thing that's happened in the world in my life, in our lives, is this -- by the grace of god, america won the cold war. >> reporter: many americans associate ronald reagan with the fall of communism. >> mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. >> reporter: when the berlin wall came down, the nations of eastern europe renounced
communism, and the soviet union fell apart, george h.w. bush was president of the united states. >> the cold war didn't have to end peacefully. it could have ended with a bang instead of a whimper, but he made sure that it ended peacefully and took a lot of heat in the process for not being willing to be -- to emote more about winning the cold war. >> reporter: only months into president bush's term, china's government brutally crashed a pro-democracy uprising in tiananmen square in beijing. the president who had been the top u.s. diplomat in china under president ford, condemned the bloody repression, but refused to slam the down on the u.s.-chinese relationship. >> the process of democratization of communist societies will not be a smooth one, and we must waekt react in that stimulates rather than stifles progress toward open and representative system. >> reporter: hoping to stimulate
progress, bush funneled u.s. support to nations where communist leaders chose to negotiate with reformers. he visited poland and hungary in july of 1989, receiving large and enthusiastic welcomes. as reform in eastern europe sped up, the president stayed cautious and deliberate. supporters were attacksston issued at his -- astonished at his low-key response when the berlin wall fell in november, 1989. >> pleased with there development. >> you don't seem elated, and i'm wondering -- >> it's not an -- i'm not an emotional kind of guy. >> reporter: wean that in reality -- that in reality he was elated as well as worried that the peaceful transition would fall apart if he gloated. >> dance on the ruins of the -- of the berlin wall. he said, i'm not going to do it. he knew that gloating would not help us as we tried to reunify germany and see how the warsaw pact would transition nations to democracy. i think it was brilliant the way
he handled the end of the cold war and the transition to a europe whole, free, and at peace. >> reporter: the state of the union broke up peacefully, and gorbachev resigned on christmas day, 1991. >> gorbachev called president bush to tell him what he was going to do. and he said to president bush, history will judge us well, yes, we did the right thing, didn't we? >> good evening -- >> reporter: that same christmas night, president bush addressed the nation from the oval office. >> eastern europe is free. the soviet union itself is no more. this is a victory for democracy and freedom. >> able to sort of manage the process, been easy to come across as a sort of taking advantage of the collapse of the soviet union, go pound your chest and turn it into a political event to his advantage perhaps domestically but
certainly not in terms of how the whole thing unfolded. it was managed very, very smoothly i always thought. that was his doing. >> reporter: jim sciutto, cnn, washington. cnn senior international correspondent fred pleitgen live from moscow with us now. >> fred, there are many people who in the rhetoric of president reagan often credit him with the wall coming down, but it actually happened during bush 41's presidency. tell us more about his role leading up to the wall coming down there. >> well, yeah, good morning. i think it was a massive role that president george h.w. bush had, not just in the wall itself comes down, but the aftermath, as well. and obviously all of this was really very much in partnership with mikhail gorbachev, then-leader of the soviet union. and simply understanding that mikhail gorbachev and his administration could be a partner in this is a huge feat that i don't think many
europeans will ever forget. and certainly mikhail gorbachev won't forget. this morning, i'm in moscow now, we got reaction from mikhail gorbachev. here's what he said, quote, i have a lot of memories associated with this person, obviously speaking about george h.w. bush. we had a chance to work together during the years of tremendous changes. it was a dramatic time that demanded great responsibility from everyone. the result was an end to the cold war and the nuclear arms race. obviously some warm words there from mikhail gorbachev. but you know, having gone through that time, i was in germany obviously at the time the berlin wall came down, when the berlin wall came down, we all believed that there still was going bigfoto be two german states that the warsaw pact associated with the soviet union were still around. it took visionaries like george h.w. bush to understand that this transformational process was bigger than most thought. understanding he could work with mikhail gorbachev and making this happen in a peaceful way. we saw jim sciutto's report about how important that was.
you know, back then, there were tens of thousands of soviet troops still on east german soil and getting them them to leave and leave in a peaceful way was a gigantic feat that took a lot of professionalism, but also a lot of understanding about what the other side was up to and what was going on in their minds, as well, victor. >> all right. fred pleitgen, thank you very much, we appreciate it. this morning leaders around the world are reacting to the passing of bush 41. joining us, military analyst and former army commander general of europe in the seventh army there, general hurtling. good morning to you. you were in germany during the bush presidency, at least the first half. tell us about that. >> listening to your comment with fred pleitgen a second ago brought a rush of memories. we had in 1989, we had forces on border patrol between east and west germany at the time.
i was a young major back then. i consider myself a cold war era -- i spent 12 years at different times in europe. and we didn't know what was happening when the wall came down. there was this great momentum building toward it, and when it finally happened and there was this rush of east germans into west germany through the gates that had been closed and kilometer zones between the two countries up to that point, it was challenging for a long time in 1989. truthfully whee went off to war under george bush. there were a quarter of a million u.s. soldiers in germany in 1989. some of us went to war, president bush sent us to iraq for desert storm. and then later on during an assignment in germany when i came back to command there in 2007, it was a completely different environment with the nations that had formerly been part of the par saw pact now
part of our -- warsaw pact now part of our alliances that were contributing forces to iraq and afghanistan, you know, romania, hungary, bulgaria, you know, all different kind of forces that had formerly been our enemies as part of the warsaw pact were now our friends. it was fascinating. >> you said that you were thankful for bush's leadership at that time. so when you -- when you look back to that time, what specifically was it about him, about his leadership that makes you pause today? >> well, you know, soldiers and military people look at their leaders in a very unique way because we have a doctrinal manual that explains what leadership is. it has to do with the person's character, their presence, how they comport themselves, their intellect, how they understand the issues and can be a part of it, their empathy and humility. all of those things president bush exhibited in spades. he walked among the soldiers. he came to desert storm on
thanksgiving before we attacked north, thanksgiving in 1990. our -- our family members who remained in germany, i remember coming back as a major, and they said, boy, did we have faith in our leadership. president bush, colin powell, at the time secretary of defense cheney. so that just -- example of leadership, of understanding what's going on, of knowing the plight of the service member is all role of the commander in chief. and i saw one of your earlier takes this morning where he said the toughest decision of a president is to send forces to war. that certainly is difficult, and he understood that, i think, more than many other presidents of our recent time. >> let's expand this conversation about leadership. you talk about it domestically during desert storm, but really globally the president's leadership leading into desert shield and desert storm in creating the coalition of the
willing. now his son used that term in the lead up to iraq, but talk about, if you would, the work that he did and his -- his administration over the state department, as well, to build a global support before going into kuwait and how that is now in many parts the yard stick by which the coalition subsquebtly are measured. >> that's a great question. and one of the things that happens is our leaders should exhibit our national values. that drives our national interest, and our national interest drives our strategies and our policies and our actions. but it all starts with values. and when president bush said in 1990 this will not stand, he was talking about an attack on the kuwaiti people that just was in violation of the values of the freedom and liberties that all people should have. those are our national values,
understanding that there's a requirement for respect for all people, to treat people equally and with the dignity they deserve. now we don't always get it right as a country, but certainly when you're a leader and you exhibit those values and especially at the national level when you're exhibiting our national values of dignity, liberty, respect, freedom, other nations will join in. and they won't treat you as an outsider. they will want to be more like you are. and i think that's why president bush in 1990 was able to create that coalition of the willing to contribute to the freeing of kuwait, the mission that desert storm had. >> uh-huh. theresa may released a statement saying this about pooush -- navigating a peaceful end to the cold war, he made the world a safer place for generations to come. do you agree? >> i do. and again, it's -- it's how you use force. it's how you use moral force. there always has to be an end
state. and our end state since the end of world war ii in europe has been to help create a better society. to -- the marshall plan, the establishment of nato, all of those things were put together in order that people who had suffered the wounds and casualties of war could rise up again and become a stable people with stable governments. took a long time, but that was the end state. that's what presidents like bush were focused on as -- as they countered the soviet union at the time who were oppressing people. and there are many nations in europe now who still feel that oppression and who celebrate the freedom that they were given when that wall came down and they were able to begin planning their own future as a naltion, s sovereign nation. >> general, thank you very much for your memories and insight this morning. >> thank you. >> all right. we've got a new statement
here from president trump via twitter. i'm going to read it here. just out in the last few minutes. "president george h.w. bush led a long, successful, and beautiful life. whenever i was with him, i saw his absolute joy for life and true pride in his family. his accomplishments were great from beginning to end. he was a truly wonderful man and will be missed by all." that the latest statement from president trump after releasing a statement just a few hours ago. we'll see? we hear more from the president once the president is in front of the camera in buenos aires there for the g20. >> later today. this is a president, president 41, who was loved by so many people, few, of course, loved him more than his children. >> yeah. >> as we go to break, listen to what jeb bush says about his father. >> my dad is just the kindest person. he's been an extraordinary role model. i mean, i can't -- it's hard for me to be objective.
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states, george herbert walker bush, has died. he was 94 years old. >> he passed away overnight in houston after several months of declining health. his death comes little more than seven months after his wife, barbara bush's, passing at the age of 92. president bush is remembered as a public servant and statesman, a world war ii combat pilot, and a dedicated family man. >> former president george w. bush called his father, quote, a man of the highest character and the best dad a son or daughter could ask for. jeb bush jr. said, quote, nothing gave me gampy more joy than service to others. his leadership taught us to be kinder and gentler. >> jamie gangel sat down with more members of the bush family to talk about their father and grandfather. >> reporter: give me some words to describe your father. >> my dad is just -- the kindest
person. he's been an extraordinary role model. it's hard to be objective. i believe he's as close to perfect perfect as anyone can get. if people were more like him the world would be a way better place than it is right now. >> what would surprise people about your grandfather? >> he's a big cryer. he cries easily. there's a genetic i guess trait for all the bush men and -- that they just were -- put on a disney move and tears up. >> he likes to play pranks. the ranking committee was a way that he used to judge down on different disagreements develop cousins, disagreement between his kids. he'll sea we'll have to take this before the ranking committee. >> reporter: who was the ranking committee? >> it was always him. he had a picture where he
superimposed his head on different bodies. >> my dad dressed up in five outfits including, i think, dressed in drag. >> one of the things that i enjoyed with my grandfather is he would always delight in a sense of humor. whether it was his or someone else's. so when he was vice president and i had a chance to visit, he would often pull out a mask of ronald reagan to pretend that he was the president of the united states. and as a kid, about 8 years old, i would be scared out of my mind because i didn't know who ronald reagan was. i came to say my lovely gampy. >> one summer you wreck his boat in maine? >> long story short the boat -- it was so low tide, just went over, and was sitting on these rocks. we couldn't pull it off. the tide continued to go down. there is this boat. his pride and joy, prized possession, beached on rocky maine coast. the scraping and everything. and i felt really bad about it. and my grandfather through this incredible graciousness that
defines him wrote me a letter and it's a note that i -- i cherish, and it was saying, look, pierce, i remember days when i could do no right. but then the sun would embrace me, and a new day would begin. you know, we love you, don't worry about the little boat incident. i mean, really sound silly. but it means the world. it's full of love. everybody should have a grandfather or parent that's like that. >> one of your siblings talked about the look that he would give you. the look. >> i never received that look. >> reporter: that's because you're the perfect son -- >> no, i knew how to not get the look. i would avoid everything i could to get the look. >> reporter: i imagine that your parents if you ever did get in trouble had very different styles of discipline. >> yeah. well, mom, the nickname -- one of many nicknames she has was the enforcer. so there were unwritten rules, and if you violated them, she
would enforce the rules and do it in a way that was pretty effective. i don't remember my dad doing that. >> reporter: best advice he ever gave you? >> get your jersey dirty. >> reporter: which means? >> which means to just get in there and do something. it's important to just think. do something, take action. >> best advice is to follow my passion. whether it was in politics, whether it was to pursue my dream to be a major league baseball player, which was ultimately unsuccessful. or -- or just to be a great father and a great, great husband. he's been a great kind of role model for how to live your life to the end with grace and dignity and calmness and peace and caring for others. >> reporter: classy to the end. >> classy to the end. classy to the end. that's a great way to put it. >> i think we'll remember him as
the embodiment, the human embodiment of love. that's it. it's just an incredible, loving human being. >> human, humility, we've heard a lot of that this morning in describing george h.w. bush. >> a great legacy to hear from the family. still to come, president trump's former attorney michael cohen said he thought his boss was going to protect him if he faced charges. new details in the russia investigation ahead.
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the russia investigation. >> according to discussions with federal prosecutors, president trump's former personal attorney michael cohen thought the president would protect him if he faced charges related to paying adult film actress stormy daniels. >> he believed he would support him as his boss. later when his office and home were raided, he noticed things changed and acting to protect his family and himself. a court document says cohen has had seven voluntary interviews with the special counsel and expects to cooperate further. cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson with us now. joey, thank you very much for having us -- for making some time for us this morning. quick question, first and foremost, how reliable is michael cohen at the end of the day here? >> good morning to you. so in answering that question, let's start out with how the discussion started out.
he thought that, as michael cohen, the president would protect him. that cuts both ways. from a defense attorney's perspective, the argument is going to be made, for example, that, hey, you were -- say for example michael cohen's in court, he's providing testimony, that testimony is damning to the president. the president's lawyers are going to say that you thought the president would protect you. you became angry when he wouldn't protect you, is that fair? as a result, you're motivated to talk about things, right? but you don't like what the president did to you, do you? so what i'm suggesting to you is that that goes to establish to your question that he's not credible at all. because he's harboring animus as a result of his fallout of the president. the other way it cuts, of course, is, look, as a result of him not protecting me, i am going to tell all. and in telling all, that is every secret i know including the fact that it wasn't the iowa caucuses in january when these -- when these discussions about this trump tower in moscow stopped, it was in june.
and you thought i wouldn't tell it, but i'm going to tell it since you didn't pardon me. this goes to the issue of credibility. at the end of the day, i don't think their case rises and falls on michael cohen's word alone. i think that there has to be some independent corroboration, whether it's documentary, via text messages, via emails, via contemporary statements that he was making about himself or notes that he was taking. and other witnesses who could establish that what he's saying is factual. not going to be what he says alone. >> some sort of tangible evidence. >> yes. >> let's talk about the new filing also claiming that cohen had -- a quote -- a lengthy, substantive conversation with a personal assistant to the kremlin official. wean that to now be dmitry pesk of. but that -- pescov. but at what point does this transition from being problematic for michael cohen to being problematic for president trump and potentially others in the trump administration, others in his family? >> you know, i think we're at that point. and remember that whenever you have a case in any court case,
it's not about the smoking gun. in some cases there are smoking guns. many cases, though, we're not as fortunate. that's why we have circumstantial evidence. direct evidence is the smoking gun, aha, we know you were negotiating, we see the trip, you flew at this date, you met with this person, we have surveillance. that's direct. oftentimes in courtrooms, you have circumstantial evidence. and to your question, at what point does it become problematic, let's look at the dot. we have this meeting that junior and manafort, you engage in, where you're meeting with russians about opposition on hillary clinton. what's that about? why did you lie about it? why did the president dictate a narrative that was different as to the meeting itself and it actually happening? and then we have over here roger stone who was so close to you and these wikileaks and whether or not you had knowledge as to the wikileaks going. and then we have this trump tower development. so what i'm suggesting to you is that you don't look at any piece of evidence in isolation. you take the whole, and the
whole substantially, right, goes to the issue of the circumstance and why is it that we have a president who slams everyone. but when it comes on this russia, they could do no wrong, particularly after the history that we've had with russia. the point is i think the issue is now. and one last thing. we know that the house is changing hands, of course, in january, right. and as a result of that, i think there more transparency with regard to what is going on, and they're going to check him unlike what the republicans have been doing. as information comes out, i think it becomes highly problematic for the president. >> all right. joey jackson, always appreciate your expertise. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up at the top of the hour, remembering the 41st president of the united states, george h.w. bush. his life, his legacy, and his unwavering love for life and adventure. >> just because you're an old guy, you don't have to sit around drooling in the corner. get out and do something. get out and enjoy life.
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