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>> thank you. >> thanks, guys. >> shutdown stalemate. what will happen today? we have the latest for you right now. we saw a temper tantrum. he walked out and said it was a waste of his time. >> i have the right to do a national emergency if i can't make a deal with people who are unreasonable. >> i want to find a way to re-open quickly while meeting the president's priorities. >> border security isn't going to pay my mortgage. it's terrifying. >> the president thinks maybe they can ask their father for money, but they can't. >> they are gearing up to fight the mueller report. giuliani made it clear. >> clearly they are reacting to an abject fear. they are afraid of going to jail. >> bob mueller should be able to complete his work and turn over every rock. >> this is "new day." >> good morning. this is thursday, january 10, 8:00 in the east. this morning the president heads to the border for what he called a pointless photo op according
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to the "new york times." this is after he walked out of a meeting with congressional leaders saying "bye-bye" when they would not agree to funding for the border wall. >> again? >> how do you say it? >> bye-bye! >> you today say tomato. they say they should consider babysitting to make extra cash. federal workers go without a paycheck in the shutdown the president promised to own. >> the president could declare a national emergency and sign spending bills to open the government. it's not certain the president will make that declaration but the official says the white house likes being able to hold the card over democrats who they say have refused to compromise or negotiate. maybe there is a glimmer of hope on capitol hill for breaking the impasse. a group of republican senators are working privately on a potential deal, but no idea if
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it's something democrats would agree to. >> we are joined by day ma bana and jeffrey tubin. white house counsel is riding on air force one, going to the border with the president. why? it is under serious consideration to declare a national emergency. why? there is no other way out and some 800,000 people will not get paid tomorrow. you have the coast guard telling members -- the list is amazing. this is what they put out. if you need money, have a garage sale, sell things online, offer to watch children, walk pets, tutor students, become a mystery shopper. >> turn your hobby into an income. >> this is what they have to resort to. >> it would be funny if it weren't so serious and sad. these are people who the american people, the government rely on for the safety of the seas and they are not getting
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paid because there are no grown-ups in the room in washington. they can't figure it out. you said something last hour that made me think it wasn't long ago when i was a reporter on capitol hill. the way it worked is there is a negotiation, you stand outside, wait for them to come out, get the drips and drabs of where they are going on the negotiation and finally there is a deal. you're not even standing in the hallway anymore. what happened at the white house yesterday is case in point. it is the president who is completely dug in on the wall, but it is also the democrats who are completely dug in on not giving an inch on the wall. that's why, again as we talked about, the whole notion of a national emergency, declaring the national emergency is the president's exit ramp. he said it's possible. it's a way to say he opened the government, stood firm on the wall and see what happens in the
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courts. >> last hour you said you think legally that will pass muster. >> i do. given the breadth of the statute that gives the president emergency powers, he could declare an emergency and start spending money on the wall. it would be without precedent in american history. many emergencies have been dekrd declared since the 1970s but never one where congress explicitly refused to do what the president wanted and the president used the powers to do it anyway. that's what's different. it's very easy and i do it, too, to talk about what's going on as the back and forth of politics today. this would be something different in american history. this would be a first step towards a kind of authoritarian government where the power of the purse, the framers of the
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constitution set it up as one of the bedrock principles that belongs to the people's house, the house of representatives and the senate, and the president taking it away. the president saying, i'm going to spend this money in defiance of what congress does. that's different. >> it's a big deal. can and should are different things. can it get past the judges? after a long legal battle. not like they'll start laying stone or steel slats if he orders this tomorrow. there will be a long legal battle. he may win, but it could change the institutions of the presidency and congress in a way that makes constitutionalists like ted cruz or at least ted cruz before yesterday, uncomfortable. >> because of what jeffrey was saying, it is the precedent that has people on both sides uncomfortable. you're laughing. >> i'm laughing that ted cruz may be taking the jeff flake, bob corker role of expressing concern and then doing nothing
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about it. when republicans have expressed, you know, concern about the president, they have never actually done anything to stop the president. here, you know, it is true this is a major -- if it happens, would be a major departure from constitutional norms in this country. whether any republicans decide to take the president on would be a different question. >> republicans are having meetings. they are working on a potential compromise. >> will it look like the old one? >> no. >> it will never be $25 billion again. >> certainly not now. when you say $25 billion that was to pay for the whole wall. this is just $5 billion he wants for a down payment for the wall. the president left it on the table. as john was talking about, there was a lot of pushback from conservatives. he was also giving legal status, potential citizenship to the
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dreamers and so on and so forth. that's not happening. both sides are saying, that's not happening now. what the republican snarpt sene talking about is some money for the wall, maybe half of what the president is asking for, $2.5 billion, and some sweeteners for democrats -- changes in the immigration law short of help for the dreamers. the thing is -- let's say they come up with something. you have the same problem. will the president take anything less than the line in the sand that he has drawn? will the democratic leaders take anything more than the line in the sand they drew which is nothing? >> steven miller said no on the sweeteners on immigration. >> there you go. >> ann coulter -- >> she said she wants what israel has and nothing less. that's an interesting analogy. that's 33 miles. we already have that. >> israel is surrounded by
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countries that want to annihilate it. >> understood. it's not apples to apples. >> that's a pretty good difference. >> logically it's not apples to apples, but it is insight into that base and how they feel about if he would be caving. >> this is the one issue his political advisers tell me he believes and they agree he can't give up on. this is the most well known promise, so was mexico paying for it, but chanting the wall was the most well known promise he can't give up on. >> he's already moved away from it. he's calling it a barrier. if he calls it a fence, why can't chuck schumer and nancy pelosi agree to more fencing? >> that's a good question. that speaks to the whole -- >> the silliness of this. we interviewed two furloughed
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workers, one with seven daughters, one bought a house last month and won't make her mortgage payment. they don't care what you call it. all the political wrangling sounds silly. they want washington to fix it. >> the other part of the issue is in order to solve a problem you have to agree on the problem to get to the solution. even if you disagree on the solution. they don't even agree on the problems. the democrats say -- the republicans say it's a crisis and democrats say, we don't believe you. >> there are facts. illegal immigration, the problem by any standard over the past ten years has gotten better. john, i believe you have a chart. >> he copyrighted this. >> look. all this shows is over the last ten years illegal border crossings, arrests at the border are at or near an historic low. you said before you think if the president signs a national
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emergency declaration, it could be a political win for him. the problem he's had since december is he owned the shutdown. he declared this is my shutdown. what's happening this week is when people aren't going to be paid, they are not going to be paid because he made the decision not to have them paid. >> now if he does an emergency move, doesn't it solve the problem? >> they are not getting paid. it's his fault they aren't paid this week. he owns the crisis that existed. the political crisis that existed in washington this month. >> that's one way to look at it. i'm not sure all americans see it that way. if today he resorts to doing an emergency measure, he fixes the self-imposed crisis. >> i'm sorry. i didn't mean to interrupt. >> please. >> this reminds me of the debate we have had so many times. how will this affect president trump's fortunes? >> and we're always wrong. >> it never changes. his poll numbers fluctuate
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within a tiny area. you know, 38, 42 -- >> except there is a democratic majority in the house now and 40 democrats won seats. that's a ramification. >> that was the midterm elections. you're talking about his popularity. >> yeah. >> you know, his popularity doesn't seem to change. >> a midterm election, by the way, that was largely in his making over border security and the wall. it's not like americans didn't have a chance to vote on it. >> one thing that changed is how donald trump feels about the impim p imp impentrability of a wall. he was giving an address at wagner university in 2006 and he brought up -- a wall. >> never, ever give up. don't give up. don't allow it to happen. if there's a concrete wall in front of you, go through it, go over it, go around it, but get
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to the other side of that wall. >> you can't get through walls. there's no way to get through walls. >> back then he understood the shortcomings of a wall. >> do you like everything we've dug up? >> i never saw that before. >> at cnn we work with such talented people who find stuff like that. >> i agree. the producers have been getting in the time machine today. okay, mr. blackberry. no one loves time travel more than i, back to the '80s. >> and 8-track machines. >> i hear a musical cue. should we end on what we feel -- it's summed up by this song. >> you're calling for a song. >> i am. >> what song? >> i saw mean girls. when they didn't have the music they had to sing it. sing me the song.
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>> bye, bye, bye. we need the boy bands here. >> 'n sync. i was going full "bye, bye, bye". >> thanks. justin timberlake. >> he's made something of himself. >> thank you, dana. classing up the joint. >> my pleasure. the president will visit his district today. does a congressman think there is a national emergency affecting his constituents? we'll ask him next. little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression.
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president trump heads to the southern border to make his pitch for a wall. there is a total breakdown in shutdown talks. the president will travel to mcallen texas to speak with border security officials today. joining us is senator henry quahar which includes 290 miles of the southern border, eight points of entry between the united states and mexico. congressman, thank you very much for being with us. the president is visiting your district. is there a crisis there? >> no, there is not. every day we get 1.3 billion dollars of trade between the u.s. and mexico. it is a booming economy at the border. if you look at the latest fbi statistics you will see mcallen is very different when it comes to murder rates, assaults, violent crime when compared to washington, d.c. in fact, washington, d.c. is about two or three times higher in the crime rate than mcallen.
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the safest place that the president will be at today is going to be mcallen and not here in washington, d.c. >> would a wall make the 290 miles of border in the district more safe? >> no. we've got to understand, if you want to stop drugs keep in mind most of the drugs will come through the ports of entry. we need to put emphasis on the ports of entry. we need personnel and technology. if you want to stop people from coming in, keep in mind in the year 2000 we had border patrol stop about 1.6 million individuals. last year they stopped 396,000 individuals. it's almost a quarter of the amount that came in. by the way, 40% of the undocumented people that we have came in through a legal permit or visa. so a wall isn't going to stop those folks. they are flying, driving through a bridge. most of the others are canadian. maybe we are looking at the
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wrong border. >> there are people who have been involved with border security who say a wall would help -- some, including mark morgan, the border patrol chief under president obama. he said in some places a barrier would be helpful. listen. >> the president is talking to the leadership of cbp and the border patrol and the rank and file. they are the experts saying the wall works. it doesn't work everywhere. it's not the end all to be all but it works. >> would it work in some places? >> of course. if you look at maybe some of the areas away from texas, texas we have -- in west texas we have large cliffs, rivers. you have natural boundaries. so that's one type of defense we have. in other places, other parts of the country, there is nothing that divides mexico and the u.s. we've already got miles of fencing and president bush said give us 700 miles.
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i think we are up to 654. that will cure it. we can't keep moving the goal post. by the way, the same experts -- and i have asked the border patrol chiefs from bush, from the obama administration and even trump's border patrol chiefs. when i asked them the question, how much time does a wall offense buy you they said the same thing. quote, a few minutes or a few seconds. we'll spend billions of dollars for a wall or a fence when i can buy a $100 ladder and take care of the issue. people will climb in, go under. what we need to do is secure the border through technology, border patrol. they are losing more border patrol than they are hiring. the ports of entry are important. what about the coast guard? >> you bring up the coast guard because now the coast guard is telling its members to have yard sales, babysit and walk dogs because we are in day 20 of the
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shutdown and they are not getting paid. this is a shutdown the president promised to own. he said this is my shutdown. i will shut down the government over border security. and in these negotiations yesterday, mike pence reportedly did ask the democratic congressional leadership, what's your offer here for how to get out of the shutdown? he said they didn't offer anything. should democrats at this point, day 20 of the shutdown, be offering something? >> there are so many offers that we can put out there. let me give you a couple. do you remember the last shutdown we had? what did mcconnell do? he told the democrats i will put daca -- i think there were four different bills. he put them for a vote. he said open it up and i promise you four votes. he did have four votes. why don't we tell our republican friends, let's put the wall as a bill on the floor on the senate side, on the house side. put it for a vote and see if it passes. if it passes, move on.
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that's what the republicans did at the last shutdown. we ought to give them the same opportunity. open the government, put it up for a vote and see if it passes. that's the will of the american people. >> in terms of what you would be willing to concede in negotiations, would you, congressman, be willing to concede or would you advise house leadership to be willing to concede any new fencing, any additional spending on border security or additional spending on new fencing? >> listen, if you take the premise that the wall is the only way to secure the border then that's the wrong premise to start off with. personnel, technology, technology that's worked for the military has been very important to us. why play defense on the one-yard line called the u.s. border where we spend over $18 billion a year? let's help secure the mexican board were guatemala, work with our friends in central america. the last thing i want to say, yeah, we did compromise under bush. the levee walls which is
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something we have in the border, this is something -- the levee wall myself, john cornin and a county judge came up with the idea so it protects against flooding and provides security. there are ways of being innovative. in laredo we have up to nine miles of bulkhead to secure the border, but washington can't dictate the kind of wall or fence. let the locals be involved. if we do, you would be surprised what would happen. >> if the locals want a wall would you support giving them new money for it? lastly, are you supportive of the way speaker pelosi has handled the negotiations? >> absolutely. absolutely. she understands that the wall is a 14th century solution to a 21st century problem. she understands we can add personnel, technology, ways of securing the border. look, the border patrol is 2,000
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men and women short. 2,000. the administration put out a 297 million dollar contract to help them hire border patrol. they just finished spending $14.8 million to hire two border patrol agents. i don't know if one of them is captain america. i don't understand. why are we spending that much money? give it as bonuses, retention bonuses to border patrol. we'll keep the border strong with the equipment and technology they need. >> henry cuellar, the president will be visiting your district today. thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you so much. >> rod rosenstein is expected to leave the justice department when a new attorney general is confirmed. what does that mean for the mueller probe? that's next.
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the accidental disclosure that manafort shared polling data with a russian operative is raising questions.
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is that collusion? joining us now we have democratic congressman adam schiff, chairman of the house intelligence committee and the chairman of the bipartisan congressional freedom of the press caucus. good morning. >> good morning. good to be with you. >> what did you think when you read the disclosure from paul manafort's attorneys that he had passed this proprietary polling data to russians? >> it's shocking. you think you are not capable of being shocked anymore. we continue to learn things that take your breath away and here we have the chairman of the republican presidential candidate in private conversations with russians, russian-backed ukrainians offering polling data -- inside polling data about his own campaign in an effort to, as he described it, to be made whole. either to get money from the ukrainians or to forgive debts he owed to russian oligarchs.
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what do the russians want it for? that's the question. what do they want the polling data for at a time they are engaged in this social media campaign as it related to that or for another purpose? we have to find out. >> well, look, i don't have to tell you. you have been looking into it for more than a year. is that collusion? >> i think we need to know more about what this data was to be used for. we know, for example, there have been reports that manafort not only sought to get paid by russian-backed oligarchs in ukraine but, in fact, did get paid. what did he get paid for during the campaign? or was this after the campaign? was there a meeting of the minds? was this delivery of polling data what we would consider an overt act in furtherance of conspiracy? those questions aren't completely answered. we are awaiting to learn from bob mueller and there is more
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work to do in the congressional investigation. there is clear evidence on the issue of collusion. this adds to the body of evidence. but whether it amounts to conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt, i think we have to wait for bob mueller's work. >> about your committee you chair, the intel committee, are you going to ask paul manafort that directly and do you think people perjured themselves in front of your committee? >> we would like to hear from mr. manafort but giving his track record, how much we can rely on his testimony is open to question. clearly the special counsel feels even when he said he was cooperating, he was lying. we have concern about other witnesses before the committee. we know that michael cohen admitted he lied to our committee. there are others as well that we want the special counsel to be able to evaluate their testimony and determine whether perjury charges should be brought. this is why one of the first acts when the committee is constituted will be to take up the issue of sending transcripts to the special counsel to be
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used for potential perjury prosecution and also to shed light on different aspects of the investigation that may facilitate his work. >> are you concerned about william barr taking over, it looks like -- if and when he's confirmed -- taking over the mueller investigation and rosenstein exiting? >> i'm very concerned. this is the second pick for attorney general who basically auditioned by either going on tv in the case of matt whitaker and talking down the russian investigation or in the case of mr. barr sending an unsolicited 19 or 20-page brief about how terrible the special counsel's prosecution, how it relied on a flawed theory, how a president couldn't be prosecuted for obstruction of justice for firing people as a way of preventing the investigation of
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going forward and of which he may be implicated. that should trouble any american devoted to the rule of law. for the same reason ethics lawyers at justice urged matt whitaker to recuse himself they will similarly urge bill barr to recuse himself if confirmed. whether he follows that advice is a key kquestion for senators to ask during his confirmation. >> does rosenstein leaving indicate to you mueller would be wrapping up soon? >> i would rohope he wouldn't leave before the mueller investigation is over. i hope that's the case. it's not enough that he stick around until bob mueller finishes the report. if the new leadership in the justice department is inclined to bury the report i would hope he would stay and fight to make sure the congress and the country get to see what bob mueller has found. regardless, we in congress are determined that the american people will hear this story. >> i want to talk to you about
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the government shutdown. what do you think of the possibility that president trump declares a national emergency? >> i think it will fail in the courts. certainly if president truman couldn't nationalize the steel industry at a time of war during the korean war to help in the war effort then this artificial crisis of the president isn't going to justify his pro appropriating money for a wall congress won't give. if that's the definition of a national emergency we'll have national emergencies all the time. i don't think the court will go for that. whether the president chooses it as a face-saving mechanism knowing it will fail, i don't know. i will say this. this is about more than the wall. this is about the president using a tactic of shutting down the government to get his way. if it is rewarded in any way, shape or form we'll see it over and over again. this has simply got to stop.
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>> meanwhile mike pompeo is about to give a foreign policy speech in cairo. cnn obtained a copy of his prepar prepared remarks. he is expected to praise saudi arabia as a stabilizing force in the middle east, but will not denounce the crown prince for his involvement in the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. >> this is an illustration of how much human rights have fallen off the agenda of the trump administration. it is not a priority. quite the contrary. this administration commonly makes common cause with autocrats all over the world and ignores or downplays or diminishes the significance of any human rights violation. we see that in the murder of this journalist. in light of mr. pompeo's comments on syria we have a toxic combination of certain
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elements of corruption and also massive in competencompetence w have in the case of the intelligence agency's warning us. the administration ignoring warnings. with syria you have the national security adviser saying something about troop withdrawal not happening right away. the secretary of state contradicting it the next day. the president saying something different the day after. the corruption is bad enough. add the incompetence and it's unforgiveable. >> listen, it's been a hundred days since jamal khashoggi walked into the consulate looking for a marriage certificate. you have a -- an event for this today. >> it was something i started years ago with mike pence. we will be joining in the remembrance of jamal khashoggi. we'll have individuals including the editor of the washington
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post and members of congress and others, not only to talk about his life but also to examine other journalists who are imprisoned or have been murdered, countries the killers are going without prosecution, and highlight this issue of press freedom as well as the jeopardy facing journalists around the world. >> congressman adam schiff, we appreciate you highlighting press freedom. thank you very much for being on "new day". >> thank you. imagine driving down the freeway and a huge sign just falls on you. it happened. the driver survived. it's all caught on camera. the details are next.
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a federal judge dismissed ashley judd's lawsuit against harvey weinstein. in the defamation case judd alleges weinstein derailed her career after she rejected his sexual advances in the 1990s. weinstein denies all allegations
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of nonconsensual sexual activity. a freeway sign fell on a moving vehicle crushing the roof of the suv. this happened on a freeway in melbourne, australia. remarkably the 53-year-old woman driving the suv suffered only minor neck injuries. officials in melbourne say the sign had just been inspected the day before. hmm. we need to speak to that inspector. that's crazy. >> i feel like if it happened one second later it could have hit on top of the car and i don't know what happens when metal slices on top of a car. >> not good. >> good point. that was lucky. meanwhile, the world's richest couple calling it quits. amazon's boss jeff bezos and his wife mackenzie are divorcing after 25 years of marriage. they made the decision after a long period of loving exploration and trial separation. the divorce could end up being -- well, extremely costly.
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bezos is the world's richest person with an estimated net worth of $137 billion. >> so she was there when he founded amazon. she's been there since the beginning. >> absolutely. he's given her credit for encouraging him with this crazy idea to sell books through the mail. she said, absolutely, let's go for it. of course she's entitled to half. >> everyone wants to know if there is a prenup which titillates the imagination here. i will say there are plenty of couples who divorce where there is not necessarily a heated, passionate, acrimonious argument. there may be agreement they are entitled to certain amounts. >> maybe they are consciously uncoupling. >> loving exploration. i don't know what the hell that is. >> that sounds even more titillating. >> exactly. >> all right. meanwhile there is a new documentary creating legal trouble for r. kelly. was his alleged behavior ignored for decades?
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>> let's discuss the latest with cnn legal analyst ariva martin and trey. you have been following r. kelly's story for years. to refresh the viewer memories who haven't been following along let me pull up a timeline of r. kelly. you can fill in the blanks. he married 15-year-old aliyah when he was 27 in 1994. police investigated him twice for allegations of sex with minors. there was an alleged sex tape claiming to show him sleeping with a minor. in 2002 he was charged with 21 counts of child pornography. in 2008, acquitted on all charges. in 2017, a woman alleges she was sleeping with kelly when she was 16. what have we missed? >> only thing is my interview -- not to make it about me. but i was a critical part of the second part.
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me comes off the trial. i was working for b.e.t. the core moment everybody remembers, i asked him, do you like teenage girls. he could not say no. >> we have it. do we have that moment? let's play it and you can tell us about it. >> do you like teenage girls? >> when you say teenage, how old are we talking? >> girls who are teenagers. >> 19? >> 19 and younger. >> i have some 19-year-old friends. i don't like anybody illegal, if that's what we're talking about, underage. >> tell us about the reaction to that. >> it's a softball question. you just got off trial for that. do you like teenage girls. just say no. we'll then move to the harder questions. the face and body language gave up the answer that he didn't want to give. you can't lie with your entire body. that's what he tried to do. he's been conducting this behavior right under our noses.
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his album with aliya was called "age ain't nothing but a number." he's being arrogant about it. not surprised him at a club dancing. i mean this docu-series is gigantic. it feels like everybody in america watched it. this is a problem. >> fast forward to now. clip so understands what women are saying. >> i wasn't free to walk around. if i wanted to use the restroom i had to ask him. if i was hungry, i had to ask him. he came up once, grabbed my arm and dragged me down the hallway because i talked back to him. >> that's just one of the featured women. why now after all of this has been out in the ether, why now are prosecutors looking into him? >> i think the pressure was mounting when you look at women
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who had the courage to come forward in the documentary. there was no way prosecutors could sit on the sidelines and not take action. some of the allegations are startling and suggest that criminal activity is involved and was deserving of an investigation. i think the whole me too era has given more courage to women. african-american women for a long time believed their stories would not be believed, that they would be somehow shamed, humiliated, made out to be the bad person in the story. now they are finding their voices. they are finding their stories matter. they have the courage as we saw with many women that spoke in the documentary to tell their stories. i am so glad to see that two district attorneys in the country and hopefully others that may have the jurisdiction to investigate allegations swirling around r. kelly for decades will come forward in open investigation so the justice can be served for victims who suffered as a result
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of his blatantly unacceptable conduct. >> obviously this is akin to harvey weinstein, bill cosby. when one woman speaks, the dam breaks. interesting the women spoke to a film maker and not necessarily authorities. >> this is a really powerful moment. these stories have played out over years with the aliyah story in the 1990s, the tape story with my interviews in the '00s and his sex cult that played out in magazines. they were so separated people saw them as different. what the film maker, dream hampton, has done is put them all together and pull people from throughout r. kelly's life to tell the story. this has been a long period of crazy behavior. i mean, at some point -- >> flagrant to your point. brazen and flagrant. >> absolutely. >> do prosecutors use this
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documentary -- can they use it as their evidence for women who hadn't previously come forward? >> absolutely. they can use the statements that were made in the documentary and they can use it to encourage witnesses to come forward. what we know about the acquittal of r. kelly in 2000 was that the victim didn't take the witness stand and testify. that gave pause to the jurors. they weren't able to find he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. we know that's a very high standard. hopefully the women that come forward that have talked, the people that have been part of this documentary will give courage to other victims to come forward. prosecutors need hard evidence. they need the victims telling their stories. they need people there were that that witnessed the criminal activity to come forward. that's how prosecutors build credible cases and get convictions if, indeed, the allegations made in the documentary are true. at this point we have no reason to believe they are not true. you talked about harvey weinstein.
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one thing that still puzzles me is how come r. kelly's music continues to be played? what's the role of sony and rca and the companies that are in bed with him and have these contractual arrangements with him. even if you can't get a conviction in the courtroom we have seen powerful men lose their jobs, contracts terminated as a result of these allegations. so the question still remains, what about the companies that are supporting r. kelly's music? what are they going to do in light of the documentary? >> on that note, lady gaga tweeted, i stand behind these women. i'm sorry for my poor judgment when i was young and for not speaking out sooner. she did a duet with him. thank you both very much. john? >> in a few minutes, the president leaves for the southern border. this after saying bye-bye to negotiations. we have new reporting on plans to declare a national emergency next. [clap, clap] ♪ hey, jen, which tie says, "trustworthy but also fun"? gold down, oil up. oil down, gold up.
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