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kurds fighting and dying in the battle against isis. we have breaking new details in the russia investigation. so let's get to it. >> this is cnn breaking news. good morning and welcome to your "new day." it's monday, january 14th, 8:00 in the east. breaking news. cnn obtained transcripts that explain why the fbi opened an investigation into whether president trump was working on behalf of russia and against american interests. the transcripts are from closed door congressional interviews with two fbi officials who testified that the fbi was looking into whether president trump was, quote, acting as the behest of, and somehow following directions somehow executing their will. they being russia. this news follows a weekend of explosive headlines. "the new york times" revealing counterintelligence investigation of the president. and "the washington post" reporting that president trump went to extraordinary lengths to hide details of his meetings
with vladimir putin, even from his own administration. >> when asked on fox whether he ever worked for russia, president trump dodged the question and for some strange reason did not say, of course not. adding to the drama, we are in day 24 of the u.s. government shutdown. now the longest in american history. a new cnn poll finds most americans blame president trump for the shutdown and a majority oppose his border wall. >> joining us is the national security correspondent for "the washington post," greg miller. he broke that story about president trump concealing details of that meeting with vladimir putin. terrific reporting. thanks for being with us. you report that the president went to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of these conversations. what lengths? >> well, in one case, he comes out of a meeting with putin and actually turns to the interpreter, the u.s. interpreter and takes that interpreter's notes and instructs the interpreter he's not to discuss what just transpired with any other
officials, including officials in the trump administration. i mean, this is just -- needless to say, extremely unusual. no president in our lifetime has gone into a lengthy meeting with a russian leader without either at least one aide if not multiple aides, but trump does this routinely. >> why does it matter that there be people taking notes, that there be some kind of record of these dialogues? >> yeah, that's a great question. and the answer is that there are a number of reason yes it matters. for starters, the president is supposed to be advancing u.s. interests in these meetings. and he needs his aides, his subordinates, his cabinet officials and other agencies need to know whether there are things that have been agreed to or plans made in these meetings so they can execute those. of course, the bigger reason that matters in this case is because this is russia. this is the russian leader and because of the investigation into trump and his campaign's
entanglement with russia and the question -- the hanging question wlf there was collusion between the trump campaign and russia in the 2016 election. >> who from within the administration has been trying to find out what went on in these meetings, and what road blocks did they encounter? >> well, one of the people who was trying to find out what happens in these meetings is trump's own top russia adviser in the national security council at the white house. fiona hill. she's a highly regarded expert on russia. she's been excluded from these meetings between trump and putin, which is unusual on its own. but she is among the officials who then went to the interpreter in this case after one of the meetings trying to get at, we need to know what happened in there. we need a read out and being told by the interpreter, the president swore me to secrecy. >> the president swore me to secrecy. and other case, took the actual notes. democrats in congress. the chair of the foreign affairs
committee for the house wants to get a hold of these notes, the interpreters. where do you see this headed? >> it's going to be a difficult thing. i think that this has renewed the sense of urgency among some in congress to try to get to the interpreters. they are the only american witnesses to some of these conversations between trump and putin. and so they are the only ones you can turn to aside from the president himself to figure out what happened. but there's a difficulty because interpreters are not advisers or aides, right? they are there specifically for a very narrow diplomatic function which is just to translate one leader's words to another. >> i want to make sure people fully appreciate the context of all of this which is that there's a counterintelligence investigation that was started in the spring of 2017 about why the president was acting in certain ways. was he acting at the behefst of russia? people want to know what president trump has said to the russian leader about this. it jumped out to me, this is p
108 for our control room. though the interpreter refused to discuss the meeting, he conseeded that putin denied any russian involvement in the election and that trump responded by saying, i believe you. so according to the scant information we have about these meetings, president trump told vladimir putin, he believed him. that russia didn't attack the united states. >> right. and he's, obviously, said that publicly, but this was during their first face-to-face encounter. and trump is under a lot of pressure to confront the russian leader over what happened in 2016. instead, based on what the u.s. officials who work for trump were told later, trump is essentially conceding this to putin. putin is denying it, which, of course, you expect him to do, but the american president is saying, okay, fine. i'm with you. i believe you. >> again, this is as far as we know, unprecedented. craig miller of "the washington post." terrific reporting.
thanks for being with us. let's bring in our cnn political analysts to talk about this. josh green, national correspondent for bloomberg business week and jonathan martin for "the new york times." okay. guys, first let's start with that cnn -- what cnn has broken this morning. and that is that we now can read and see these transcripts between fbi officials who appeared in front of congressional investigators behind closed doors. and they were asked why they opened an investigation into then candidate donald trump. and the fbi had to justify why they would do it. so their lawyer explained what was happening. they were starting to have conversations about all of the strange things they were seeing. and he talks about how the worst case scenario is that somehow, maybe, a candidate for the president of the united states had been turned into an asset of russia. so here is a portion of this transcript. that was one extreme. the other extreme was the
president is completely innocent and we discussed that, too. there's a range of things this could possibly be. we need to investigate because we don't know whether, you know, the worst case scenario is possibly true or the president is totally innocent. and we need to get this thing over with so he can move forward with his agenda. interesting to hear what they were grappling with in the fbi. >> just the fact that, you know, it's along the range of possibilities that the president is, in fact, a russian asset is extraordinary in and of itself and the fact that the fbi, which is not an organization despite the attempts to sort of brand them as some kind of a partisan outfit. it's full of law enforcement professionals. the fact they took this serious enough to consider it does show you just how many unanswered questions there still remain about this president's connection to russia and to the putin regime. and if you are a republican,
this has got to be a worrisome moment because this is, obviously, not going away. this is the kind of thing that's going to be part of the mueller report. and it's creating huge difficulties for the party. and, look, i think this year is going to be pretty quickly taken up with this president's position in office. and i think any policy agenda in the next few months is probably going to be consumed by whatever mueller comes up with. >> number one, this type of investigation wouldn't take place unless they had other evidence to substantiate it as well. perhaps evidence we haven't seen. and number two, it wouldn't happen without justice department approval. that's what josh campbell told me friday night. rod rosenstein would have had to approve the counterintelligence angle here. josh, to the bigger point which is this will now consume if not the rest of the year, at least a
substantial part of it. where is the administration this morning, where is president trump this morning? where is his position given now people are asking him questions about whether he's a russian agent and given there are signs he abskonded with interpreter's notes with his conversation with vladimir putin. >> it doesn't help him at all. this is crazy. this is something out of a dime store novel. the fact the u.s. government suspects the president of being a russian agent. it's incredible. you go back and look at trump's twitter timeline which is always the surest way into understanding what trump is thinking. beginning last night he began tweeting all kinds of things meant to distract. jeff bezos' divorce, an old instagram video of elizabeth warren, and this morning he erroneously tweeted he was heading to a farm convention in nashville. he's actually going to new orleans. it seemed as though he's throwing out chaff to try to
distract the media and americans from focussing on this incredible story. and as incredible as the story is, it is consistent with the pieces of information that we've learned over the last 18 months. there was another "new york times" story a few months ago that said rod rosenstein had actually suggested perhaps jokingly, maybe not, about wearing a wire when he was in the president's office. so clearly there are real suspici suspicions, there are real suspicions and we know now they were investigated by the fbi. >> i just think that that interview that john just did with "the washington post" reporter, i don't think that we can talk about that enough because the public did not know that in every meeting with vladimir putin, or at least five, according to "the washington post," the president has tried to conceal from his own advisers, including the top russia expert in his administration, what was said in there to the point of confiscating the notes from the interpreter and swearing the
interpreter to secrecy. that is bizarre. >> i have to say, though, i do think after two years that the political class, certainly republicans, have become somewhat desensitized to the nature of these stories. and you just don't see the kind of slack jawed reaction from lawmakers, certainly on the republican side, that any other president would face given the scope of these two stories over the weekend. and the big question to me looming over 2019 and potentially 2020 is, when does that change? when do more and more voters and certainly on the republican side start having questions about this president? because once that happens, if that happens, then i think you'll see the actions of their lawmakers change. you saw senator cruz on a different network yesterday saying, there is this gap between the d.c. conversation and what folks back home care about. guys, that so reflects what was said in the watergate era. i told one of senator cruz's
people, they don't care until they do. and that's the key moment. where is that point of inflection where it's just too much for people to handle. and it's not just the media. it's not just, you know, the left complaining about this president, but there's too much for the republicans themselves to handle and they say, you know what? enough. i think the bar has gotten lower and lower because there are so many of these stories. but i think at some point it's going to hit critical mass. >> josh, you wanted in there? >> yeah, i think that the forcing mechanism that might cause some trump's supporters is not necessarily russia, as incredible as these stories are, but the shutdown. if you look at the polli ining trends, trump is slowly bleeding approval rating. disapproval is going up. i work at businessweek and talk to companies all the time. this is having real impacts on the economy now. typically shutdowns don't if they aren't side to a debt
ceiling raise. but if they go on for long enough it puts a crimp in the economy in a way that can show up in economic numbers. trump is already looking at a slowing economy. there are already signs a recession could be coming in 2020. all this is going to do is make things worse for people. and that's going to make them, i think, easier to push off the trump bandwagon. >> the biggest threat to the president and the russia investigation is the economy because if republicans don't have the economy and the stock market and job numbers to glom on to, there's no reason to support the shutdown. >> it seems like this president is trying to find a way out that he can declare victory and not bow to the democrats. john, i want to echo your last point there. that's a huge, huge factor, especially among republican donor class. they've liked the tax cuts, liked the deregulation and that has enabled them to say, look, i don't like the behavior but the policies aren't so bad. if the economy does go south,
the first people that are going to turn to the lawmakers and say, you know what, guys, enough is enough are the donors. they'll get the ear of the republican senators and members of the house first if the economy does start turning. and that to when i think you'll start seeing some change in behavior from lawmakers on the hill. >> jonathan martin, josh green, always great to have you with us. thanks so much. "the wall street journal" reports that john bolton, the national security adviser, asked the pentagon to provide the white house military options to strike iran last year. the request followed an attack on the u.s. embassy in baghdad. b barbara starr is live at the pentagon. >> last september it was very much a not noticed event actually because there was no one hurt, thankfully. some mortars struck the diplomatic area inning about dad we all know as the green zone where the u.s. embassy, u.s. military headquarters are located. apparently, according to "the wall street journal," after that, john bolton, national
security adviser, asked the pentagon for military options to strike back at iran. now let's unpack this a little bit. what were they prepared to strike? apparently iranian-backed units in iraq that conducted the attack. would they have struck iran itself inside iran's borders? would they have been able to find the attackers? are we talking a proportional response? you just go after the person or the unit that attacked you at that time, or are you talking about a major attack into iran? there's no indication that mr. trump was ready to embrace this idea. the national security council, bolton, secretary of state mike pompeo, quite hard-liners about iran. the pentagon, the u.s. military, they always have options. we know that. they have options as they like to say for everything. but when military advisers talk to any president, they ask a couple of questions. what do you want to do? what military objective are you trying to achieve, and is there
an understanding of what iran may do next if they are attacked? on deck right now is the key question. what will acting secretary of defense patrick shanahan have to say about all of this if they continue to pursue an idea of some kind of strike against iran down the road? shanahan may find himself right in the middle of all of it. allison? >> barbara, thank you for sharing all of your reporting with us from the pentagon. we're learning about these extraordinary lengths that the president went to to hide the content of his meetings with vladimir putin, including confiscating transcripts from an interpreter. what is going on here? we discuss with national security experts next. (avo) life doesn't give you many
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josh, it's fascinating to read these transcripts that cnn has obtained about the deliberations and discussions that were going on behind the scenes where the fbi was trying to figure out why these strange set of circumstances keep happening around candidate donald trump. and they were trying to figure out the gamut of what was possible was, had russia somehow turned him into an asset, and he was doing the bidding of the kremlin? or was all of this innocent and he didn't know what was happening? honestly, the debate was like between stooge or rube. so tell us what you know about what was happening behind the scenes? >> so there's more i can't tell you than i can, but i can, as we read the tea leaves here, obviously, you said this was fascinating. i totally agree. i'm of two minds on this. obviously this bombshell reporting over the weekend that came in two waves. first the story about the investigation and then the
meeting in helsinki. but i'm conflicted because i don't know what would motivate someone to release this information at this point. now props to the journalists. they're doing their job to go find the facts. but i think that this makes mueller's job a little harder. makes people inside the fbi's job right now a lot harder. >> why? why? us knowing what they were considering, why does it make their job harder? >> well, because as the reporting suggested, this was folded into mueller's ongoing investigation. if his goal is to determine whether there's obstruction, this isn't something you want to be out there. that doesn't mean this isn't true and this isn't highly concerning and something the american people should know. again if you go back and look at these reports and put yourself in the mind-set in the shoes of an fbi agent at the time. they'd be derelict in their duties if they didn't investigate the president of the united states. it's surprising to say that because his actions may have
posed a threat but they would have been derlicate. he was calling them to go after hillary clinton's e-mails. obviously, the national security adviser michael flynn was under investigation. the president was trying obstruct that investigation and ultimately remove the person leading that investigation. as an fbi agent, those are all clues and everyone has a presumption of evidence but they'd be derelict if they didn't dig into that further. >> one of the things you hear republicans saying, one of their talking points today is, ah-ha, this shows the fbi was looking into donald trump before he fired comey. so they had it out for him. but if you just read the transcript and if you look back at history there was a whole series of events from george papadopoulos speaking drunkenly at a bar about russian dirt to donald trump's own sons talking about how much money they would get from russia. there was a whole series of things that aroused the interest of the fbi.
>> allisothat's exactly right. the pattern is meeting after meeting, contact after contact between president trump or candidate trump, the campaign, people around him and the russians and each of these was either hidden or denied or pushed under the carpet. that raises a lot of questions and doubts. there's smoke. maybe there's no fire but it's certainly credible to think given all of these efforts to deny any contact with any russian and each of which turned out not to be true, that that raises suspicions and at least credible grounds for looking into whether there was something going on. >> that leads us to "the washington post" reporting over the weekend. let me just read to you their first paragraph. listen, i don't believe in having our hair on fire many days. but this is so stunning that i do think it involves us shifting into a different gear to listen and to analyze this. president trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations
with russian president vladimir putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing that interpreter not to discuss what has transpired with other administration officials, current and former u.s. officials say. tony, you were somebody who would have been involved in those meetings if it were a different president in a different time. the idea that president trump has told the interpreter that -- has sworn her to secrecy or him to secrecy, what does that -- help us understand what we're seeing here from a president. >> it's extraordinary on a number of levels. over 25 years, i was in dozens if not hundreds of meetings with president clinton, president obama, vice president biden and foreign leaders. and in virtually all of them there was at least one senior aide president to take contemporaneous notes for what went on. there were occasions, pretty few in number when the president
would have a one on one with his counterpart but then he'd immediately read out that conversation to his most senior aides. that just didn't happen here. we now have hours of meetings between president trump and president putin for which we have virtually no record and the russians know more about what went on in those meetings than anyone in the administration. >> if we look at publicly what we know. helsinki, publicly when the president of the united states came out, he blamed america for the russian interference and the relationship with russia being so tense. so privately, i mean, how can we imagine what happened privately if that's what he was willing to say publicly. >> this is striking on so many levels. and i agree as far as giving the read outs from these meetings. in january 2017, the united states government, the intelligence community assessed that the person the president
was meeting ordered an attack on the u.s. election. so if anything, that would have been an intelligence collection to have the president of the united states go directly to cia headquarters and give them a read out on everything that happened. we know that didn't happen. it comes down to this. these notes from the interpreter are political dynamite for president trump. there's no way he's going to release them. they may have already been shredded and burned in a barrel somewhere outside the oval office. the reason they're dynamite is if you look at one two of things that could have happened in there. on one hand perhaps the president went in there and capitulated, rolled over, didn't hold his feet to the fire. if that gets out there goes the tough guy narrative the president is trying to appeal to his base saying no one has been tough or russia. if the president did go in there and call vladimir putin out on the carpet and hold his feet to the fire and say you will not interfere in our elections again, then we know the president is seen, at least in the eyes of the russians as
impotent because we know they interfered in the midterm elections. he lies with reckless abandon about things big and small. as long as there's not a transcript or aren't notes he can explain in his own view what happened there. >> we'll see if congress has any recourse to get the interpreter to explain what happened. thank you both very much. the district is filled with federal workers not getting paid because of the shutdown. what steps is one member of congress taking to get the invest back open? we'll ask her, next. to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? it isn't. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth. ♪ ♪
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the longest government shutdown in u.s. history now enters day 24 with really no end in sight. an official says the office of management and budget is preparing for the possibility the impasse could last through february. let's bring in democratic member of congress katie hill of california. thank you so much for being with us. congratulations on your first few weeks in office. i want to figure out where we are in these negotiations. senator lindsey graham, republican of south carolina, suggested the possibility of reopening the government for three weeks, getting back to the
table and talking. and if that doesn't work, the president would declare a national emergency. is that a hopeful path do you think? >> i think it's certainly better than where we are right now and something that i think many democratic colleagues would welcome. we are in a place where at this point our biggest priority is getting the government back open. and we're willing to come to the table after that and talk about what the right solutions are around border security and around immigration reform. the reality is that democrats have for decades been in favor of border security. exactly what that looks like is what the debate should be around and we know that it's not a 2,000-mile long concrete wall. president trump and his allies have stopped calling it that. they've given up on that whole idea because they know how impossible it is. but we do need to have those talks and the first thing needs to be getting federal employees back to work. >> you told poppy harlow that you would vote for some money for some kind of new physical barrier, correct? so if you went back to the table, if these negotiations
were to start up again, with the government reopen, could you vote, will you vote for some new fencing? >> only if the government is open will i even consider such an idea, and it has to be part of a bigger package. but there have been proposals on the table before. last year the herd aguilar proposal that included components of border security, including some big physical barriers where it makes sense but really with a focus on the ports of entry and on personnel and on dealing with the immigration backlog and these other aspects so important. it has to be part of an overall package but we don't need to be so fixated on writing everything off. we need to say that, look, we're coming back to the table with an open mind. we have -- i think everybody across the board has written off this concept of a wall. and so now it's what makes sense. how are we negotiating this with respect to the most logical solutions that are going to be as effective and meet the needs of the american people.
>> so the president and his supporters who were in that last meeting where the president walked out and said bye-bye say that he asked nancy pelosi if i go back to the table and negotiate, could you support or would you allow for funding for some kind of new barrier, and she said no. so what's your message to nancy pelosi here? >> first of all, i don't think he said some kind move to barrier. i think he said the wall. and that's a really important distinction. the connotation around the wall has so much to do with the hateful rhetoric he's been spewing for, at this point, years. it's really important for us to say that, look, we are not going to fund this wall. there's just zero path where that's going to happen. it's a $60 billion project at a bare minimum. it's just not going to happen. but where there are aspects where some physical barriers make sense. >> some new barrier in some places because that's a different position than we've heard from nancy pelosi the last six weeks. >> i don't know that it is that
different. i think that she's -- she has certainly said that in the past. she's supported various different packages about that in the past. but, really, it's this kind of hard-line at no wall. and reopen the government first. >> you are the first member of the house we've had a chance to talk to today. steve king, republican from iowa, who said, among other things, white nationalists, white supremacists, how did language like that become offensive? he's going to meet with republican leadership shortly. what should happen to steve king? >> i think he should be out. there should be the harshest repercussions from his own party possible. he should be removed from committees and his own party needs to be running somebody against him as quickly as possible. but the right thing to do is for him to step down. >> kaits iekatie hill, new memb congress, a democrat from california. thanks for being with us. >> alisyn? who do americans blame for the shutdown? we break down the new poll numbers, next. (mom vo) it's easy to shrink
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huge look at new polling. including a new cnn poll that finds a majority of americans blame the president. let's dig deeper inside this new polling us. joining us is there is something about harry enton. >> henry winkler never did his hair on air. he just looked in the mirror and -- >> he was also too cool for hair spray. >> he was a little too cool for hair spray but he, like i, am beautiful jewish guy. >> what did the polling say about the shutdown? >> this is a key point that's getting missed. and that is, obviously, this is an average of "the washington post" and cnn polls that came out over the weekend. look, trump and the gop are blamed overwhelmingly compared to the democrats but what's interesting here is look how the republican blame has shot up going all the way from 47% to 54% while the democratic blame has stayed consistent. so, to me, this is a great
indication that republicans and president trump are losing this shutdown. americans are more likely to blame trump and the gop than ever before. >> that's interesting. i wonder if his primetime address moved the needle at all? >> i don't think it did. if anything, what seems to be happening is his position is getting worse and worse and worse. and this is a rather interesting sort of note about this. his position on the shutdown is actually worse than opposition to the wall. so we look back at the prior slide by 23-point net margin. people are blaming trump and the gop over the congressional democrats on who to blame for the shutdown. if you support the wall or oppose the wall? only by a 15-point margin are voters more likely to say they oppose it. >> the wall is unpopular, but the shutdown even more unpopular than the wall? >> that's exactly right. indeed, this to me is also a
very interesting thing which if you're talking about sort of what's going on in the president's standing and how things are happening, we see trump's approval rating is going down. that is his net approval rating was minus 10 percentage points. it's at minus 13 now. this shutdown is hurting donald trump. it's not helping his position at all. >> i think you might have done it but the wall versus trump. what is that one? >> let's take a look at this. why don't we look at this. and this is essentially indicating that the president's approval rating is going with the wall. that is, there's a very, very high correlation between the two of them. if you don't like donald trump, you don't like the wall. and, indeed, this correlation we're seeing right here. 41% approve of president trump's job. 41% support the wall. 54% disapprove of president trump's job in average polls. 55% oppose the wall. that's one for one. and i went back and looked at
the 2018 exit polls. if you like donald trump, you were probably going to vote for the republicans. if you dislike president trump, you were probably voting for the democrats. the correlation in the exit poll between voting and approval rating was lower than it is for this. this is so highly correlated, i just don't really ever see anything like this. ever. >> one of the ways this could end is the president could declare a national emergency. what do people think about that? >> yeah, so this is just a disaster. i just don't understand where -- how president trump gets out of this. the abc news/"washington post" poll asked, do you support using emergency powers to build the wall. only 31% support that. only 31%. 66% are opposed. that's far different. that's far different. 41% actually support the wall. but using emergency powers to build the wall? only 31%. so again, this is something i think needs to be pointed out which is people are higher on
the wall than they are on the shutdown and then higher on the shutdown than they are on supporting emergency powers. each move the president possibly makes to get out of this is worse than the overall support for the wall. the president backed himself into a corner. >> what's your last slide? >> this is my last slide. an axios sort of, what -- how different people are being affected by this. how many federal workers. and what we see, axios sold this as blue states or red states a little more affected. i'd say people across the border are affected. right in this washington, d.c. area. the blue states of maryland and virginia which is turning into a blue state and obviously the district of columbia. >> there are green states, this is what they had. i am just -- we threw this slide -- >> you're just going with it. >> i had the hair spray put in late. >> i see green there. >> i'm not trying to trick you though my father who was color blind might have seen green there. and then in this region a lot of
jobs being lost there. so to me, what you see in the different types of analysis. this is one of them. we see people across the political spectrum. states across the political spectrum being affected by this. >> many, many hours ago, they said republicans feel and have felt that the president is losing the messaging war here. does the polling bear that out? >> i think he's losing the messaging war here. and i would just go back to this. which is the president's job approval rating which has been so stable throughout his presidency, right? pretty much nothing moves him. a three-point drop in net approval rating across just a month is a huge drop. it's very clear that this is hurting the president of the united states, and he can't lose any more support than this. >> harry, thank you very much. always fascinating. all right. she is alive. she is safe with her extended family after being missing for three months. how police say jamie kloss
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the man accused of kidnapping jayme closs and holding her hostage for nearly three months will appear in court. jayme closs escaped from a home about 60 miles away from her own home where her parents were murdered. a neighbor recognized closs and called 911. joining us is barron county sheriff chris fitzgerald. thank you for being with us. this case is so mysterious and so shocking. do you have a sense of why this suspect and how was able to target and take jayme closs, though he lived two counties and 60 miles away? >> yeah, we're -- that's the million-dollar question. so, no, i don't have that answer. i wish i did. but hopefully today in the criminal complaint we'll be able to release more information about that. but i do know that he acted
alone, and he acted -- very targeted approach and planned out attack on the closs home. >> i had heard one report that he had perhaps worked with jayme's father. is that true? >> he worked at the same plant, but that was over three years ooh and he only worked there for one day so we don't believe that was the connection with the closs family. >> and is it true that they had -- jayme closs and this suspect had no prior social media contact? this wasn't somebody that she, say, met online? >> no, there was no social media contact, no digital footprint at all that we've been able to uncover at this time to show any connection between the two of them at all or anyone in the closs family home at all. >> how is jayme doing today, and what has she been able to tell you about this ordeal? >> we're not commenting on what jayme has talked to us. she's talked with investigators and that's worked.
and -- but i don't know what they've talked about. what i can tell you, though, is, i did meet with jayme last night. and that shy 13-year-old girl we've been describing has got a big smile on her face. and that was priceless. very heartwarming for me personally. and our team behind us that had been working so hard on this case. >> look, i don't have to tell you how rare it is for a missing child to be found. particularly after 88 days. so this is, you know, the best possible outcome, though, of course, she will bear the emotional and mental scars of this ordeal for the rest of her life. i had read that the suspect is cooperating. can you tell us what he's telling investigators? >> yeah, i'm not commenting on anything mr. patterson has said or talked with or who he has talked with in the jail at this time. i can't comment on any of that at this time. what i can tell you, there was a
will of a 13-year-old girl to survive. there was a lot of hope in the community. and when you put those two together, they are unstoppable. so jayme is the hero here and the will of her to survive has been the greatest present we could ever ask for. >> that is remarkable. and in terms of her will to survive, can you tell more about how she escaped? >> i don't actually know the details. we're still working on that. we just turned the scene back over to the family, the patterson family yesterday. so we were still -- this is a very active case still. we had two missions. one to find a 13-year-old girl and, two, to convict the person who killed the closs, denise and james. so that's our goal and now we're on step two now that we have jayme back home with family and a smile on her face. our job is to put a conviction together, a case together for our district attorney, for a conviction in this case.
>> have you, personally, or your detectives been inside the suspect's home? >> i have not, but my detectives have. our evidence team has been up there, the wisconsin state crime lab has been up there. so, yes, we have all the evidence here in barron nor madison at our crime lab and it's being processed as we speak. >> do you know if she was restrained? do you know if she was locked in a room? >> i don't know exactly the details. all i can tell you is she did escape out of the house, and that's when she found a lady walking the dog who went for help at the neighbor's house. and 911 was called in douglas county and we had jayme home near barron. >> it's just so remarkable when somebody is observant and immediately they know the right thing to do. and the second that woman who was walking the dog saw jayme closs, she recognized her, and i find it so chilling that she went to a stranger, a neighbor's
house and said this is jamie clorks call 911. >> and they recognized her, yes. >> this is remarkable. sheriff chris fitzgerald, thank you very much. we'll look forward to having these questions answered at some point. >> thank you. new revelations in the russia investigation. transcripts of testimony reveal the fbi's concerns that donald trump was working against american interests. also, why is the president hiding all of the details of his meetings with vladimir putin? costa rica paraíso. first, we go to san marcos, costa rica. and meet sergio. that's his daughter, maria. sergio's coffee tastes spectacular. because costa rica's land is spectacular. so we support farmers like sergio. who use natural compost. made from coffee pulp. it helps keeps the soil healthy. and the coffee delicious. for the future of his community. that's sergio's neighbor, leo. sergio wants grandkids. which is making this very interesting. all for a smoother tasting cup. green mountain coffee roasters. packed with goodness.
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a very good monday morning. i'm jim sciutto in a very snowy washington, d.c. >> it is a snowy but beautiful washington. good monday morning. i'm poppy harlow in new york. cnn has obtained an extraordinary look behind the scenes of an explosive fbi investigation. transcripts from fbi officials, closed door testimony to congress. it showed the decision making process behind a counterintelligence probe of the president of the united states. a formal inquiry into the possibility that the president, president trump was, and i quote, acting at the behest of and somehow forwarding directions of russia. >> now the fbi certainly has not approved this. it's not publicly shown that to be the case. this is one extreme they were