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this is caused by president trump. >> it is now immoral. >> no longer a human issue, a political issue. >> this is "new day." >> i want to welcome our viewers and around the world. this is 6:00 a.m. in new york. gai 21 of the government shutdown and the mueller investigation is set to dominate the stage again for president trump's nominee, william barr. in a few hours, barr goes before the senate judiciary committee and barr is expected to say mueller should be allowed to finish his investigation and the report should be made public even though he has been quite critical of that in the past. you may remember the unsolicited memo barr sent to the justice department last year, claiming the president cannot obstruct justice. we now know who bar shared that letter with and we'll tell you
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about that. >> what's historic here is that a president is under investigation. today, the senate will question the person who will oversee that investigation. in just the last 24 hours that investigation led the president to proclaim, i never worked for russia. in just the last 12 hours, cnn learned the president's team rejected a new request by the special counsel to question the president as part of the investigation, with a source saying, mueller is not satisfied. joining us, the author of "the threat matrix" and the war on global terror. and former fbi supervisory special agent, josh campbell. garrett, i want to start with you big picture, a president who says he never worked for russia under investigation for working with russia. we will have the man who will oversee the investigation we now know shared legal theory with
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the president's defense team nominated for attorney general facing questions from the senate today. not your average tuesday. >> it is not your average tuesday. as you started off, an historic day on many many different levels. i'm unwear in the fbi's entire 100 year history ever opening a counter investigation on the president himself. certainly, we've had fbis investigating the president before for criminal investigations, we saw that during watergate and iran contra and during the clinton years. the idea the fbi is charged with keeping foreign influence out of the united states is so worried about our commander in chief they fear he is acting under orders, witting or unwitting from a foreign power from our chief traditional adversary is an historical moment. >> and we've never heard the
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president of the united states have to deny to reporters that he is somehow working for russia. that happened yesterday. in case people missed it, here is this moment. >> i never worked for russia. you know that answer better than anybody. i never worked for russia. not only did i never work for russia, i think it's a disgrace that you asked that question. >> i'm not sure what people did want out of that question. what's he going to say? of course he's going to say yes. we know from all the surrounding information and evidence reporting, it's possible that putin so expertly played some members of the trump team including members of his family they didn't know they were doing russia's bidding. >> even the fact we're having this conversation is a stunning thing about the president of the united states being potentially an agent or working for russia. that alone is worth noting. the second piece about it, why does the president do all this?
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why does he continue to have these meetings with putin? what's the motivation here? this inquiry from the "new york times" goes to the heart of it, what's going on and why would the president be making these decisions, hard to understand. >> that's the backdrop, william barr, likely the next attorney general, faces questions from the senate. if he should be overseeing the mueller investigation. cnn learned within the last 24 hours. we know he shared this memo with rod rosenstein, why he didn't think the president should be investigated for obstruction of justice. we also know he shared that memo with the president's own legal team and even had conversations with those doing the president's defense here. a discussion of defense strategy by the man who wants to oversee the investigation. >> the more and more we learn about this j we're headed towards the direction of accusal
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if he wants to do the right thing. people were sitting here with raised eyebrows, going through it, is this a job application, part of an interview they're trying to tee up here? there were additional conversations, getting in the weeds of strategy. we have to have approval because at the end of the day the american people have to have a justice department that's not conflicted. at the end of the day, that doesn't mean you have done something wrong, it just means there is either a real or perceived conflict and you respect the american people so much that you want them to have confidence in the justice department you will step i said and let someone else manage it. not that he did something wrong, but if he steps aside, let someone else manage the investigation. >> what josh said, what is this, a job interview? yes. now that we know he sent it to emmitt flood and all of the team of donald trump's lawyers, yes,
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that was a job -- a job audition. >> it was, but i don't necessarily, first, agree with josh, it seems like under justice department ethics rules he would likely recuse. remember rod rosenstein's reaction to this memo publicly is bill barr didn't have all the facts, we do. one of the things that we can expect bar, if he steps in as attorney general, if he steps in to oversee this investigation is he will be read into it, he will know what bob mueller knows, where bob mueller is heading and what evidence he has collected, what the targets are and what the timeline of the investigation is. there are plenty of reasons to believe mueller is very far down the road of this probe as well and potentially bringing large parts of it or major new parts of it to a conclusion in the next couple of weeks.
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i think there's plenty of reason to believe mueller's probe could still make it to its natural conclusion, even if barr steps in. >> i'm going to say, i don't disagree entirely. the end of the day, especially in these hypersensitive polarized times the american people have to have confidence the justice department is acting fairly. this isn't to say mr. barr would act in an inappropriate way. with so much malfeasance we have seen across the board, at the end of the day, the american people have to have confidence. if he's read in and knows more and changes his mind but they need to know whether he came in with this intent. >> isn't part of the problem he wrote a 19 page memo about something he knows nothing about? >> yes! >> and i've done it, josh has done it, you know what you know
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publicly is not the truth of the investigation. he read a memo about facts and law i'm positive we all don't know. that, to me, is stunning and he made a decision about the merits of this investigation with virtually no inside facts. i'm deeply troubled by that. for him to not recuse is stunning to me. >> he read a memo about mueller's theory of the investigation. >> without knowing the theory and without knowing the facts. this should be a huge focus of the conversation today, how do you do that unless it is a job interview or a play to be part of this team. >> that's what he's facing today. it is likely he will get confirmed. he has tried to mitigate this by saying he wants to see the mueller investigation to continue and with a hedge he wants the investigation to come out. my goal will be to provide as
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much transparency as i can consistent with the law. i can assure you where judgments are to be made by me i will make those judgments based solely on the law and not let politics influence my decision. >> he has wide latitude and authority. >> if not historically not outside the norm, certainly on the leading edge of the theories of executive power. certainly, that's one of the places we can imagine the senate, as it provides its advice and consent, a check and balance on the executive branch, will be weighing on their conversations today. >> ann, not only does it appear to have been a job application for bill barr, sending it specifically to the trump team, saying, see, look what i can
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offer, here's my take. it worked. perhaps that's why he was chosen, and we know the president cares so much about loyalty. here it is spelled out. we'll also perhaps see at job auditions today the panel who will be interviewing him. there are many people running for president, democrats questioning him. there will be cory booker, kamala harris, amy kobachar. >> i will take the under on that. >> we always think we will get questions. this should be a very fiery confirmation hearing. there's tons of things to question barr about, not just ethics recusals, if he will abide by the information given by the justice officials. i don't expect to see great
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questioning. my experience working in the united states senate, to be an effective questioner, you have to watch the second, third and fourth question. you have to listen to the answers and go back and forth. i always wish for it to happen and i'm always a little surprised it doesn't. >> what's interesting, democrats don't need advice from me on politics, but from the cheap seats here as americans watched the last two years and the rule of has been basically under assault, this might be an under election where the rule of law where are we going to have someone who respects our office of justice. you will have the whole world watching and interesting to see what type of sound bites they get out of here. >> cnn is reporting on this russia and about the president
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confiscating the notes. mueller is not satisfied with his written response alone. we knew the president wasn't going to say yes to mueller's request, what's the special prosecutor doing here? >> trying as hard as he can to get in front of the president. so much obstruction of justice turn on this idea of corrupt intent. what was the president thinking at the precise moment he was taking these various actions? the president was within his legal right to fire jim comey. if he is doing that within intent to obstruct justice that makes it an illegal act nonetheless. mueller is a dogged prosecutor. he's thorough and you can imagine wants to sit across the table from donald trump and see what he has to say.
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>> should we save the timeline? >> i don't know. it's really good. >> do we have time, meghan? >> there's all sorts of questions about why the president had one-on-one meetings with vladamir putin and wouldn't share with his advisors, top russia experts, what was said, and confiscated the one interpreter that was in there, confiscated her notes and swore her to secrecy. this is an interesting timeline. this went down on july 7th, 2017 about the trump tower meeting with don jr. at 3:45 p.m., don trump and putin have a first meeting and trump takes his own interpreter's notes and in sift they become secret and then they speak again except for putin's
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interpreter and said they spoke about adoptions. he dictates this misleading statement it was about adoptions and comes out later that the russian lawyer actually promised dirt on hillary clinton. >> one can look at that alone, maybe that's not an issue there, the president wants to have a private conversation with another foreign leader and doesn't want it to leak. look at the circumstances, where you have a pattern of the president and questionable action of russia, we know he doesn't criticize putin and the tower and the lies and having to walk things back, why it's troubling, it continues to lead towards that one conclusion we don't know what it completely is, why is the president enable to criticize vladamir putin. we heard about helsinki and reports of him taking the notes. it's stunning the president would not share the details of
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that conversation with others in his own government if only to assure what russia's thinking is. it's troubling and i don't think we've seen the end of it. >> all right. >> thank you all very much. it will be very interesting to see what happened today. as the government shutdown reaches day 25, the white house may have a new strategy for trying to get support for the president's border wall. we'll look at that next. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? great tasting, heart-healthy california walnuts. so simple, so good. get the recipes at walnuts.org. so some of you are honda owners and some of you are toyota owners, right? yep. yeah. yes. would you be surprised to hear that honda is the most reliable car company? no. no. honda's reliable. well it's actually not honda. really?! oh! pow! what?!
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the white house is planning to invite a group of moderate house democrats to meet with president trump today to discuss the government shutdown and the funding for his border wall. they are targeting leaders from districts the president won in 2016, hoping they might be able to peel away some support from speaker nancy pelosi. joining us now to talk about all of this, we have bloomberg news senior correspondent, margaret and bloomberg news reporter and senior cnn analyst. will this work, a new tact, meeting with moderate house democrats? >> i don't know if it's going to work but better than doing nothing is the white house's plan right now. the president has been trying
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for some time to shift the dynamics so the american public, so that voters begin to see the shutdown as a democratic created problem. that's part of what the president is trying to do here, really not about changing the democratic votes but the way americans perceive it. he has been hopeful there are some democrats in some districts who will feel enough of a heat for democrats to force some kind of offer, initial negotiating offer they will somehow turn on nancy pelosi and try to press for that. i think it's unclear whether that will work. there's no sign that will work. the president has to do something. he has foreclosed the most recent suggestion by senator lindsey graham, to take a little pause, resume funding for a while and return to the wall debate. this is the obvious natural next step. >> he's the one says he's
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willing to shutdown and rejected the latest compromised offer from republicans here and looking at this polling that says 55% of americans blame donald trump for the shutdown, 56% of americans oppose a border wall here, john. i'm not sure the public of opinion is moving. the quinnipiac put out a fascinating statement that said only 2% changed their minds from the president's oval office address. their opinion is set now. >> it's a little late for the president to find swing voters in swing states in swing districts. the moderates will come in there and say what cnn said yesterday and those targeted by the white house said, end the shutdown first, then let's deal. any deal is a balanced deal along the lines what lindsey graham and others proposed and the president rejected.
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that's the only option. the optics are lost and we're done on that front. >> let's move along and talk about racism. apparently everything has a shelf life including racist comments and iowa steve king met his expiration date. when he gave that interview last week to the "new york times" and said, what's the problem with white supremacy or something to that effect, i'm paraphrasing. he has said a host of racist things. why yesterday did he seem to run out of runway? >> i think the comments from representative king were so egregious, they were going to be asked about it on the sunday shows and the republican from
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carolina said, and there was a lot of pressure that they weren't going to sweep this and allow steve king to make these type of racist comments. he has been known to go off the edge and on the edge and what's not seen as acceptable political discourse. the republicans felt they needed to take action. stripping him of his committee assignments was the major step. there is a push to potentially center him in the congress. this was the first step and could be a sign of bigger things in the future for steve king. >> why are these racist comments from steve king different from the other racist comments. let's play a couple of the greatest hits from steve king here. >> everyone who is a valedictorian, there's another 100 out there, they weigh 130 pounds and have calves the size of cantaloupes.
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this argument that diversity is our strength, i wonder if anybody ever questioned that. >> he said that in the "new york times" article, he looked at the democratic side and looked like no credit for white men. >> this is a little taste. steve king refusing to acknowledge or apologize for slave labor building the capitol. steve king saying barack obama won the election, that islamic terrorists would be dancing in the streets. this is nothing that should have snuck up on anybody, but this was so in your face, when did white supremacy be something we couldn't say? and then the senator from south carolina and now they've confronted it. good for him. the problem is not just steve king, a problem the republican
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party has to think about if they want to reclaim the legacy of lincoln. >> steve king says things that donald trump has said, in terms of both sides being equal, there are good people on both sides in charlottesville. somehow, steve king again yesterday seemed to be the tipping point. now, you know, he's lost some of his committee positions. >> all of them. >> all of them. so what will happen to him? does he stay in congress? >> the thing to look at, to what extent he will get financing or party support for any bid for re-election. you are seeing lawmakers, we've seen mitt romney come out and saying he should resign. a couple of things caught my attention. president trump, you're right. president trump was asked about this yesterday, at least yesterday, brushed off the question, said, i don't know, i haven't really been paying attention to that. there will be continued pressure on him to speak more forcefully
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about this. racism is notoriously or racial tension, this broad range of issues is very hard to poll. since charlottesville we know a couple of things. one, democrats overwhelmingly believe the republican party has a race problem. and, two, overwhelmingly, americans from both parties, and who are independents as well say white supremacy and white nationalism are not positions to hold in today's society. since the november elections on the republican party, there is pressure to clarify what the overarching mission of the party is and the beliefs of the party are and we're seeing some of that today. >> i will note it's unusual the president didn't know about the steve king story, knew an awful lot about jeff bezos and "washington post." >> he is a consumer of cable news. is the cable out in the white
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house? >> he wasn't covering the controversy. >> he knows about steve king. >> he was too busy chowing down on fast-food. >> he knows a lot about that. he loves fast-food. he invited what, clemson? >> clemson. >> that part. i can tell you about the food all day long, people. he had this delicious buffet spread out. >> this delicious photograph. first, the overcoat always blows my mind. >> it's cold in there. >> in the shutdown, they shut down the heat. and overseeing this fast food spread, like what's going on here now? what's in my living room? >> here's what the president said to the team about what they would be eating. >> so i had a choice. do we have no food for you, because we have a shutdown or do we give you some little quick salads that the first lady will make, along with the second lady, they'll make some salads,
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and i said, you guys aren't into salads. >> market, how awesome is that trip back to 1950? in president trump's world, it's always the 1950s where the little ladies will go and make you some salads because that's what we're going to eat, and you men, i will order in mcdonald's for the rest of us. i heard they had a pile of takeout salads to the side. i was actually so inspired i hit shake shack last night on my way home. i'm not begrudging that he likes fast food and a chance to get some. he does have a really high end restaurant at his hotel a mile away. if you want to splurge for like cesar salads or steak or chicken or something, that also could have been 18 option he could have paid for himself, i guess he could have, maybe he couldn't, maybe some
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e-molliments reason why. the president loves fast-food and thought the guys would like it and could make a point about furloughs. interesting messaging. >> a heck of a picture there. >> that was quite a picture. when you hear the president say, make america great again, you income he's talking about the time of the 1950s and '60s and you had hamburgers and football players and women in the kitchen making salad and what president trump sees as the great era of american history and trying to harken back on that with the overcoat, lincoln looking over his shoulder, president trump sending a message with mcdonald's in the white house. >> one burger at a time. >> one burger at a time. >> thank you very much. >> we are learning chilling details in the kidnapping of jayme closs. this is not a bed.
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it is judgment day for british prime minister's brexit deal. she faces possible defeat and possible no confidence vote if it fails. bianca has the latest. >> reporter: as you say, john, it is decision day for brexit, the biggest political crisis to face the uk since world war ii. it's divided the country as much as the politics. from the protesters you might be able to see behind me, it's reverberated to every corner of the uk. it split the ruling conservatory party apart that saw three prime ministers over the issue of europe and could lose a fourth with theresa may because of the unpopular brexit deal. she's asked lawmakers to ask how
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history will remember them. >> people will look at the decision of this house tomorrow and ask, did we deliver on the country's vote to leave the european union? did we safe guard our economy and our union or did we let the british people down? >> reporter: the prime minister warned lawmakers if they didn't make a compromised deal they could see a crashed brexit or no brexit at all. it's startling to think it's three years since the initial referendum and almost two months until brexit and we still don't know what shape brexit will take or if there will even be a brexit at all. >> thank you very much. the soundtrack behind it also makes that very dramatic. at home, president trump's inaugural committee is facing
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new scrutiny. details how they spent nearly $100 million on the inauguration, twice as much or more than barack obama and george w. bush raised for their inaugurations. spending was $10,000 for makeup, another $30,000 for per diem payments to contract workers in addition to fully covered hotel rooms, room service orders and taxi service and rides and laundry drop-off. $1.1 million was spent at the president's hotel in washington. disclosure of these spending details comes as federal prosecutors are investigating the trump inaugural committee over donations that funded all of this. >> greg jenkins that ran george w. bush's second inaugural said he can't figure it out because trump had a smaller staff and fewer events and spent twice as much money. >> how do you get to $100 million? >> very carefully.
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>> very quickly. >> practice practice practice. the investigator in the jayme closs said he tried to abduct her twice. he first noticed her boarding a school bus and did not know her name until he murdered her parents and kept her captive 88 days. patterson shot her mother right in front of her as they tried to hide from him in a bathtub. kloses she was forced to stay under the suspect's bed and he threatened her much of her time in captivity. officials have now released a 911 call from neighbors who took jayme in after she managed to escape. >> 911. >> i have a young lady at my house right now. she says her name is jayme closs. >> have you seen her photo, ma'am? >> yes. it is her. i 100% think it is her. we're kind of scared because he might come.
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>> yep. >> if the cops cowl get here soon? >> i have many deputies headed that way. i will keep you on the line. >> okay. >> she said, i am jayme closs? >> yes. she said he killed my parents, i want to go home, help me. >> the calm of that dispatch officer is so impressive. >> and the neighbor. >> i had a chance to talk to the neighbor. she was incredibly poised through this whole thing. patterson is charged with intentional homicide, kidnapping and armed burglary, his bail set at $5 million. >> obviously, this is just hideous on every single level. it is so rare for a strange abduction. thankful thankfully extremely well. this is one of those cases he saw her, didn't know her, he targeted her and in the most heinous way got rid of any of the obstacles for getting her. >> incredibly heinous.
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there's almost always a connection. >> often it's family. in this one, much like elizabeth smart, there wasn't. we will have an fbi profiler to talk about what it takes to do what he did. >> worries president trump will pull out of nato. that also happens to be vladamir putin's number one goal. that's next. only genuine idaho potatoes have the perfect taste and texture to get your meal started right. dad! hiding when i was supposed to be quitting. i thought, i should try something that works. i should try nicorette. nicorette mini relieves sudden cravings fast. anytime. anywhere. nicorette mini. you know why. we know how.
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we're learning more about the extraordinary length president trump went through to keep his conversations with president trump from his own administration, even as far as to confiscate interpreter notes. thank you so much for being with us, ambassador. have you ever heard of a president confiscating the notes from an interpreter at a bilateral meeting. >> no, i haven't. >> what does it mean that the
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president goes to that length to confiscate the notes? >> the government doesn't know what went on, which is something the government needs to know in order to act in careful and intelligent ways. the second is the gentleman may be hiding something he doesn't want anybody else to know. he puts himself in the hands of president putin and president putin's interpreter and that itself is the third egregious mistake here. >> have you thought what he might be hiding? >> one can only speculate at this stage. i'd rather not speculate because it is not helpful to do that. one can see a series of events here. there was a story this morning about reviving the deep concern the president seems to have about nato and wanting to get out of nato, which would be surely a huge victory for mr. putin. the helsinki press conference.
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these all add up to some source of concern. do they add up to distinctive and clear proof? no. we go back in some ways here, even as far as the steel report, essentially not confirmed either, very typically russian, the ability to seek to find what the russians call compromise, information one way or another may influence people. there is clearly again a new need to wait for the mueller report and count on former director mueller and his enormous capabilities and his very careful preparation of material obviously to give us the answer to this kind of question. is the president in some way compromised? is there collusion with the russians or perhaps conspiracy is the legal word.
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were there influences in the election manafort and others fed into. that series of things we have here all laid out before us, all-in-one way or another subject to conclusions but not, i think, informed conclusions until we see what this apparently very careful, very capable investigation will show. >> you don't want to speculate, and i understand that completely. we no longer have to speculate what the president said in terms of nato. you alluded to this "new york times" report overnight. it is a big one. senior administration officials told the "new york times" several times over the course of 2018, mr. trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from nato. that is different than paying your fair share, that is threatening to withdraw from one of the pillars over the past 75 years. >> i couldn't agree with you
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more, john. nato has been a stalwart defense arrangement and brings us together with our european allies, on the basis, from the very beginning was developed to counter stalin's obviously egregious occupation, if we can put it this way, of eastern europe after the second world war and the threat of long standing red army presence in eastern europe gave to the western european partners. it has been the basis of many ways of a security stability for 70 years that would be in one way or another totally destroyed by u.s. withdrawal. we need to contemplate that very very carefully. it is one of a number of things going on in the president's mind. the president's mind seems to work on the basis of, i've been talked outside of it today but in a month i'll bring it up and worry it and see if i can't do some of it in my own way. we saw that with iran agreement,
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saved off for a while, certain people disappeared, jim mattis is gone. i think we ought to worry about this a great deal. >> it is particularly important these days talking about allegations of russian influence on the president. no one wants the u.s. withdrawal more than vladamir putin, correct? >> i couldn't agree with you more. for a long time, he's been deeply concerned and russians concerned because they turned nato into an organization that surrounds and helps to compress russia and its efforts to expand its sphere of influence, something mr. putin is very attached to, something that relates in part to his survival with russia. >> thank you, ambassador. in the coming days, what you need to know, next.
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apparently a lot of snow is set to deliver a one-two punch to the midwest and northeast this week. you heard me, john berman, this is happening. cnn chad meyers has our forecast. am i wrong, chad? >> no, you are right. not so much "new york times," we have to see if the forecast changes. but upstate new york and ohio. and ontario, quebec, you do have a lot and new england with quite a bit of snow. this is brought to you by zantac. eat your way, treat your way. here it comes, a couple storm systems, one that will make light snow on friday. the big one will be later in the weekend. this is a monster storm that will put out big-time snow on the northside of the low. it depends where that logos north or south to see what you're going to see for snowfall. john, maybe one of the coldest days in kansas city for a year.
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6 below. why do i say that. you know what they say, it will be a cold day in kansas city when -- you can fill in the rest. >> the championship game and tom brady will have cold hands but a warm heart. >> oh, my god. >> it will be deep in some spots. >> excellent chatter. >> there is no end. >> there is no end. >> no. >> an inquiry on whether the president worked for russia, the comics late night laughs. >> back in 2017, the fbi started secretly working to see whether president trump worked for russia? no, he was more like an unpaid intern. the fbi was investigating trump working for the russians. what tipped them off? his secret meeting or his son's secret meeting or his lawyer or
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michael flynn's secret back channel with the kremlin or paul manafort, his foreign policy advisors, russian hackers. or vladamir putin's smile every time he sees trump? >> what did the fbi find? we don't know yet. just days after they opened the comrade trumpski investigation, special counsel robert mueller took over the inquiry. that must be an interesting first day at work. bob, here's the washroom, down there is the spry closet. over there is a coffee maker. the president might be a spy, good luck, bye! >> why is seth meyers able to sum it up in 20 seconds in a way that has taken us a year and half. >> we have to get seth in here to make sure we make it in time. >> a high stakes hearing for attorney general nominee with major implications for the russian investigation.
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the president's legal team rebuffed robert mueller's request to ask follow-up questions to the president in person. >> why does he refuse to sit down? the answer is increasingly inescapably because he's hiding something. >> at the end of the day, what is the evidence to support these suspicions. >> closer to the subpoena possibility, the president is on shaky ground. >> william barr will pledge to let special counsel robert mueller to finish his report. >> i will ask him do you promise to be fair to the president and the country? >> w

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