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announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> you're watching cnn on this busy friday afternoon. i'm brooke baldwin. let's just jump right in to it. any moment the president will be standing behind that podium in the rose garden with the news the nation has been waiting for, demanding for the last 35 days. two sources tell cnn a deal to end the shutdown is near, but it does not resolve the border wall conflict. it just forces it to come to a head in three weeks time. that's how long a proposed continuing resolution or c.r. would last. giving more time for a permanent deal to be hashed out and really one of the key questions is, what changed the president's mind? a white house official admits today's major delays at airports from staffing shortages caused by the shutdown did play a key role. let's start there at the white
house with our correspondent kaitlan collins. what's in the deal? >> reporter: basically, brooke, what we're expecting the president to come out here and announce that he is going to endorse this deal that would reopen the government just for three weeks therefore it would pay the way for all of those agencies that have been closed for over a month now to reopen and those 800,000 federal workers who have been working without pay and sent home will be having money back in their paychecks, that only goes for three weeks. this is a temporary deal. they want to essentially reopen the government and then debate the president's border funding demands for the next three weeks, the white house's condition here, if the president does endorse this deal, he does agree to sign on to this and the government is open for three weeks while they're negotiating over what the spending would be, if they do not come to an agreement, that the president says he'll invoke a national emergency to build his border wall and therefore bypass congress. this is what we're expecting the president to say but we do have
to caution that nothing here is final until president trump himself has the words come out of his mouth. that's what we'll be watching for. the take away from this, what we've been reporting, that's what the president is going to announce here in the rose garden that he will temporarily reopen the government while they then debate border security funding. it's going to be seen as a cave to democrats because that's what you've heard democrats say repeatedly for the last several weeks. open up the government and then we'll talk about border funding. now that's not just because the democrats have been making that demand that the president is going to relent to that as we've been expecting here today based on what we're reporting. it's also because of as you just noted, the air-traffic control problems, the effects of this shutdown that have rippled across the country and have become a very real problem for this white house, something they noticed not only today, the second paycheck day that those federal workers are not going to be receiving a paycheck. it's all of the effects of that coming together and building a mounting pressure on this white house essentially to now that is why they feel they've got to endorse this three week
agreement, reopen the government, then debate border security funding. we very well could be right where we are now at the end of these three week if they don't come to an agreement. >> we'll standby for hopefully some sort of deal to be struck in a minute when we see the president there at the rose garden. i have a couple more follow-up questions on what is in the deal and i want to go to phil mattingly. one of my questions if we may get into the weeds a little bit, this is dana bash's reporting, reopening the government for three weeks and she says, in a vehicle to go to conference on the dhs bill, no wall money, senate would vote first. what does that mean? >> reporter: dana bash knows her stuff. >> she does. >> reporter: so dana's right. what this will do, there will be a three week continuing resolution, a three week reopening of the government of the 25% and they will also agree
that the house will vote on a motion to go to conference on the funding bill and brooke, the department of homeland security funding bill has been at the crux of this entire fight. if you're going to get wall money it would come in this bill. if you care about border security and border security money, it is based in this bill. the house and the senate both have their own versions of these bills that need to be married together at some point. that is what they're going to set up. they'll set up that process allowing lawmakers on the relevant committees to start a conference process to try and work out an agreement and that everybody agrees with and can pass both the house and the senate on these bills. this doesn't in any way solve the wall funding problem that the president wants and democrats have made clear that even if they go into negotiations with the president they are not willing to except wall funding. so the idea that by the end of three weeks there's going to be a department of homeland security funding bill that has $5.7 billion for wall funding is pretty far-fetched at this point because democrats control the house. but that's the structure of how it's set up and what this will
essentially launch is, one, it reopens the government for three weeks and, two, starts this process of negotiations. you know well, this has been senator lindsey graham's plan for weeks now. democrats in the senate have said this is the best course of action, the best way to go. they wanted to do this. now they'll have to put their money where their mouth is and see if they can reach an agreement on the bill that the president finds amenable. the broader picture here is, if they don't reach an agreement on this bill, what happens? the president will say he will declare a national emergency and then what? you still have to fund the government at the end of three weeks and how is that process going to work, what will be the structure of that process if they don't reach an agreement on the homeland security bills is still an open question right now but i think for everybody's purposes as far as i know right now on capitol hill, the idea of just getting the government open is a momentary exhale and to the cautionary tale, wait to see what the president actually says. that's what i've been repeatedly
told by republicans. the white house has told republicans on capitol hill the president will sign off and endorse this deal even those same republicans say, just wait, just wait. we've been through this before. wait to see what he has to say. >> i have a follow-up for you on disaster funding but i'm going to slow my own roll and wait to hear from the president of the united states myself. thank you very much, phil mattingly. let's have a bigger conversation on what we are about to hear from trump there at the rose garden. with me now david chalian and also nia-malika henderson. how about david, when the president comes out, presumably he will be the one to get to say, i'm opening the government, you know. you're welcome. but is this the president caving to democrats? >> well, if it is as what dana's reporting and what phil just was walking us through described, i don't know how that can be seen by anyone in their right mind as not caving.
the president has said repeatedly over these last 35 days, he will not open the government unless there's wall funding to get the government open. if it's true that there is going to be no wall funding in this continuing resolution to open the government for three weeks, brooke, then he is completely caving -- that's what i'm listening for, how is the president going to explain to the nation why he has shutdown the government for 35 days, caused real pain to federal employees, the support structures around them. >> you think he's going to explain that? >> i'm just saying, how does he explain why he did that when -- when what he was looking for is not included, a. the other thing i'm listening for, b, is what ann coulter and laura ingraham and others in the conservative right wing echo chamber have to say about the president taking this move because that's precisely what drew him back from -- he was in this position in december and he
walked away from it. so we got to keep our ears open for what that right wing echo chamber says when they hear the president reopen the government without money for the wall. >> what are you listening for, nia? >> you think that's right. i'll be listening for the things that david is talking about there but also the president's demeanor here as well. this really is a time when he is likely to come out and as david predicted in all the reporting suggest of this would be a cave, this would mean that nancy pelosi and those democrats stood firm while he didn't. this was a president who said that this could go on for a while, right? he said that just a couple of days ago and previously he said this is something that could go on weeks, months or even years, right? so now here he is it looks like he's about to except this deal or talk about this deal that had been talked about before hand from lindsey graham, all sorts of deals that he's rejected.
i think it's interesting to see the demeanor here. it's interesting the staging of this. i'm curious as to why they even staged it in this way because this is -- this is in the rose garden. >> members of the cabinet. >> the idea that this is some celebratory moment for this president in this administration. it certainly isn't the case. this is a shutdown that he caused. this is a shutdown that he called for and here he is now we expect basically saying that this is going to be something that's going to be reversed at least for three weeks and what the way forward is on this wall. it looks like we're setting ourselves up for three weeks down the road for where we are right now which is the president saying that he wants a wall and democrats essentially saying no wall. >> on that point, brooke, three weeks from now, i don't know if the president's going to take questions or not from reporters when he's out there, but it seems one of the immediate questions that the president is going to have to answer is, so
what if on february 15th when that money would run out if they have not come to terms on wall money and again democrats are refusing to appropriate any money for a wall, is he willing to shutdown the government again on february 15th? that's something he's going to have to answer because he's keenly aware. we just got a new poll that came out today, he's keenly aware, his approval ratings are down. he has taken a hit because of his position on this shutdown. >> i thought part of the dana reporting is, if they come to still an impasse in three weeks, then therein lies the national emergency. >> maybe that's what he'll put forth today. >> a lot of maybes. we're waiting to see the man himself. we have to take a quick commercial break here as everyone's waiting with baited breath that this whole government shutdown ends. we wait for the president to speak to the world after this. and saying, "really?"
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so we're back. we are still waiting to hear from the president of the united states presumably announcing that he has struck a deal with democrats. at least that is what i can now report from you from our own cnn reporting, that the president and democrats have reached a tentative deal to reopen the government and his cabinet already standing there flanking that podium where we will see the president at the rose garden. david chalian and nia-malika henderson are with me. this is precisely what the democrats wanted to open the government, then let's talk. if not might the president issue some sort of national emergency
and get his funding for his wall. all great questions as we wait. david, my question to you is this, this thing has been dragging on, painful for hundreds of thousands of people in this country, i know we're hearing from the white house that, you know, this is perhaps the timing was driven by, you know, the mess at the airports in the northeast. i have to also, you know -- i woke up to the news about roger stone as the rest of us did and i'm just wondering, what do you think is the reason why today is the day? >> you mean, is he changing the subject and reopening this? >> yes. >> you and i were talking yesterday before roger stone was indicted, brooke, and i suggested that there were some cracks that i think we were beginning to see. >> yes. >> i think that his deference to speaker pelosi on the state of the union issue shouldn't have been overinterpreted about the shutdown but it was an indication. it looks the president is walking out of the oval office.
>> here he is. let's listen. >> thank you very much, my fellow american. i am very proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the federal government. as everyone knows, i have a very powerful alternative but i didn't want to use it at this time. hopefully it will be unnecessary. i want to thank all of the incredible federal workers and their amazing families who have shown such extraordinary devotion in the face of this recent hardship. you are fantastic people. you are incredible patriots. many of you have suffered far greater than any one but your families would know or
understand, and not only did you not complain but in many cases you encouraged me to keep going because you care so much about all our country and about its border security. again, i thank you. all american, i thank you. you are very, very special people. i am so proud that you are citizens of our country. when i say make america great again, it could never be done without you. great people. in a short while, i will sign a bill to open our government for three weeks until february 15th. i will make sure that all employees receive their back pay very quickly or as soon as possible. it'll happen fast.
i'm asking senate majority leader mitch mcconnell to put this proposal on the floor immediately, after 36 days of spirited debate and dialogue, i have seen and heard from enough democrats and republicans that they are willing to put partisanship aside, i think, and put the security of the american people first. i do believe they're going to do that. they have said they are for complete border security and they have finally and fully acknowledged that having barr r barriers, fencing or walls or whatever you want to call it will be an important part of the solution. a bipartisan conference committee of house and senate lawmakers and leaders will
immediately begin reviewing the requests of our homeland security experts and experts they are and all law enforcement professionals who have worked with us so closely. we want to thank border patrol, i.c.e. and all law enforcement. been incredible. based on operational guidance from the experts in the field, they will put together a homeland security package for me to shortly sign into law. over the next 21 days, i expect that both democrats and republicans will operate in good faith. this is an opportunity for all parties to work together for the benefit of our whole beautiful, wonderful nation. if we make a fair deal, the
american people will be proud of their government for proving that we can put country before party. we can show all american and people all around the world that both political parties are united when it comes to protecting our country and protecting our people. many disagree, but i really feel that working with democrats and republicans, we can make a truly great and secure deal happen for everyone. walls should not be controversial. our country is built 654 miles of barrier over the last 15 years and every career border patrol agent i have spoken with has told me that walls work. they do work. no matter where you go, they work. israel built a wall 99.9%
successful. won't be any different for us. they keep criminals out. they save good people from attempting a very dangerous journey from other countries. thousands of miles because they think they have a glimmer of hope of coming through. with a wall, they don't have that hope. they keep drugs out and they dramatically increase efficiency by allowing us to patrol far larger areas with far fewer people. it's just common sense. walls work. that's why most of the democrats in congress have voted in the past for bills that include walls and physical barriers and very powerful fences. the walls we are building are not medieval walls. they are smart walls designed to meet the needs of front line
border agents and are operationally effective. these barriers are made of steel, have see-through visibility which is very important and are equipped with sensors, monitors and cutting edge technology including state-of-the-art drones. we do not need 2,000 miles of concrete wall from sea to shining sea, we never did, we never proposed that, we never wanted that because we have barriers at the border where our natural structures are as good as anything we can build. they're already there. they've been there for millions of years. our proposed structures will be in predetermined high risk locations that have been specifically identified by the border patrol to stop illicit
flows of people and drugs. no border security plan can ever work without a physical barrier, just doesn't happen. at the same time we need to increase drug detection technology and manpower to modernize our ports of entry, which are obsolete. the equipment's obsolete. they're old and tired. this is something we have all come to agree on and allow for quicker and safer commerce. these critical investments will improve and facilitate legal trade and travel through our lawful ports of entry. our plan also includes desperately needed humanitarian assistance for those being exploited and abused by coyotes, smugglers and the dangerous
journey north. the requests we have put before congress are vital to ending the humanitarian and security crisis on our southern border. absolutely vital. it will not work without it. this crisis threatens the safety of our country and thousands of american lives. criminal cartels, narko terrorists. transnational gangs like ms-13 and human traffickers are brazenly violating u.s. laws and terrorizing innocent communities. human traffickers, the victims are women and children. maybe to a lesser extent, believe it or not, children. women are tied up, they're bound, duct tape put around their faces, around their mouths
and in many cases they can't even breathe, they're put in the backs of cars or vans or trucks. they don't go through your port of entry. they make a right turn going very quickly. they go into the desert areas or whatever areas you can look at and as soon as there's no protection, they make a left or a right into the united states of america. there's nobody to catch them, there's nobody to find them. they can't come through the port because if they come through the port, people will see four women sitting in a van with tape around their face and around their mouth. can't have that. and that problem, because of the internet, is the biggest problem. it's never been like this before that you can imagine. it's at the worst level, human trafficking in the history of the world. this is not a united states
problem. this is a world problem, but they come through areas where they have no protection, where they have no steel barriers, where they have no walls and we can stop almost 100% of that. the profits reaped by these murderous organizations are used to fund their malign and destabilizing conduct throughout this hemisphere. last year alone i.c.e. officers removed 10,000 known or suspected gang members like ms-13 and members as bad as them. horrible people, tough, mean, sadistic. in the last two years, i.c.e. officers arrested a total of 266,000 criminal aliens inside of the united states, including those charged or convicted of
nearly 100,000 assaults, 30,000 sex crimes and 4,000 homicides or, as you would call them, violent, vicious killings. it can be stopped. vast quantities of lethal drugs including meth, fentanyl, heroin and cocaine are smuggled across our southern border and into u.s. schools and communities. drugs kill much more than 70,000 american a year and cost our society in excess of $700 billion. the sheer volume of illegal immigration as overwhelmed federal authorities and stretched our immigration system beyond the breaking point.
nearly 50 migrants a day are being referred for medical assistance. they're very, very sick making this a health crisis as well. it's a very big health crisis. people have no idea how big it is unless you're there. our backlog in the immigration courts is now far greater than the 800,000 cases that you've been hearing back over the last couple of years. think of that, though. 800,000 cases because our laws are obsolete. so obsolete. they're the laughing stock all over the world. our immigration laws all over the world they've been there for a long time are the laughing stock all over the world. we do not have the necessary
space or resources to detain, house, vet, screen and safely process this tremendous influx of people. in short, we do not have control over who is entering our country, where they come from, who they are, why they are coming. the result for many years is a colossal danger to public safety. we're going to straighten it out. it's not hard. it's easy if given the resources. last month was the third straight month in a row with 60,000 apprehensions on our southern border. think of that. we apprehended 60,000 people. that's like a stadium full of people, a big stadium. there are many criminals being
apprehended but vast numbers are coming because our economy is so strong. we have the strongest economy now in the entire world. you see what's happening. we have nowhere left to house them and no way to promptly remove them. we can't get them out because our laws are so obsolete and antiquated and so bad. without new resources from congress, we will be forced to release these people into communities, something we don't want to do. called catch and release. you catch them, even if they're criminals, you then release them and you can't release them from where they came, so they go into our country and end up in places you would least suspect and we do as little releasing as
possible, but they're coming by the hundreds of thousands. i have had zero democrat lawmakers volunteer to have them released into their districts or states and i think they know that and that's what we're going to be discussing over the next three weeks. the painful reality is that, the tremendous economic and financial burdens of a legal immigration fall on the shoulders of low income american including millions of wonderful patriotic, law-abiding immigrants who enrich our nation. as commander-in-chief, my highest priority is the defense of our great country. we cannot surrender operational control over the nation's borders to foreign cartels, traffickers and smugglers.
we want future american to come to our country legally and through a system based on merit. we need people to come to our country. we have great companies moving back into the united states and we have the lowest employment and the best employment numbers that we've ever had of the there are more people working today in the united states than have ever worked in our country. we need people to come in to help us on the farms and with all of these great companies that are moving back, finally they're moving back. people said it couldn't happen. it's happening. and we want them to enjoy the blessings of safety and liberty and the rule of law. we cannot protect and deliver
these blessings without a strong and secure border. i believe that crime in this country can go down by a massive percentage if we have great security on our southern border. i believe drugs, large percentages of which come through the southern border, will be cut by a number that nobody will believe. so let me be very clear. we really have no choice but to build a powerful wall or steel barrier. if we don't get a fair deal from congress, the government either shutdown on february 15th again or i will use the powers afforded to me under the laws
and the constitution of the united states to address this emergency. we will have great security and i want to thank you all very much. thank you very much. >> 35 days. 35 days of federal workers rationing asthma medicine for their kids, sleeping in cars, driving uber, late night shifts just to make ends meet and this man is not getting a single penny for his wall and people are applauding him. this man single handedly shut down the government. it is shameful. i heard no explanation as to why he did this and why he accepted
this deal, 35 days later. he still is not getting what he wants. >> there's a four letter word to describe what we just saw and that's cave. there's no other way to describe it. the president caved after, as you said, more than 30 days, after all of the real, real world ramifications of what has gone on. he hasn't gotten a dime for his wall, but it's because things have gotten so bad obviously. we know that not just from common sense but from reporting that he realized he didn't have a choice, but to do exactly what democrats had been asking him to do since day one. you want to have a negotiation, mr. president, great, we'll have a negotiation, but let's reopen the government first and then have the negotiation. that is what's happening now. it is exactly what was asked of him by democrats and some republicans to be fair back when the shutdown began. the one thing i will say that he did say at the very beginning
before he went on with his messaging opportunity taking advantage of the fact that all of the networks were taking this event live, he did hold out the potential for doing something else and i've been told by a couple of republican sources that that is the national -- the executive action, perhaps the national emergency, something else that he could do with his own power. obviously it could be and would be challenged in the courts. my guess is as his going to see the coverage that is -- there's no other way to describe it other than a cave, he might be itch to go do something that shows that he at least is doing something within his power. >> jim acosta is our chief white house correspondent. what do you think? >> reporter: yeah, brooke. this was a big cave. i think this is one of the biggest tactical defeats for the president we've seen in his political life. he created this box canyon for
himself. nancy pelosi let him walk right in to it and now he's trying desperately to see his way out of it after watching on television this morning the havoc that a government shutdown can wreak on the nation's aviation system, with all those flights being delayed and so forth in the northeast corridor. i think that was weighing very heavily on what was happening at the white house. at the very end of the president's comments there, he said that he is fully capable and prepared to shutdown this government again if by february 15th we don't see some sort of agreement to get that wall down on the border with mexico. i will tell you standing here in the rose garden, this was pretty remarkable to watch because as the president was moving through those prepared remarks, there were moments in which and i suppose we know this because we've been following this man for some time now, he can't help himself and was going off of those prepared remarks, going off of that teleprompter and ad libbing about what he sees as a crisis on the border, talking
about women having their mouths duct taped, suggesting that if a wall is built on the southern border with mexico that the amount of drugs coming in would be cut as he said by a number that people don't really have a firm understanding of. and so the president was making some of these claims that he often makes when he talks about immigration, when he talks about the border in inscripted segtds and he was injecting some of those remarks as he was reading off the teleprompter here. i think that shows you where the president's head is right now. he just can't give up on this wall. he just can't quit this wall and i think that is why you're going to see very possibly the next three weeks this country right back where we have been for the last 35 days which is perhaps in the middle of a government shutdown because the president can't seem to get his way on the wall. the other thing that was interesting to watch being here in the rose garden is off on the sidelines over here leading into the west wing, you could see the
vice president and jared kushner, the president's son-in-law and senior adviser, cabinet officials, other top officials applauding as if this was some sort of victorious moment, celebration, that was just right out of alice in wonderland. to see the white house and people inside the white house applauding the president during one of the biggest tactical defeats, strategic defeats of his political career just felt like the upside down out of stranger things. it's bizarre to see something like that happening and they were looking jubilant before he even began his remarks. it goes to the -- this is something we see day in and day out over here at the white house. there are just people here who are not dealing with reality. the reality on the outside world is that during a 35 day shutdown people are suffering, they are crying, they're on the news talking about how they can't pay their bills and buy their insulin and over at the white house, they're smiling and clapping and congratulating
their selves for a shutdown that just caused a great deal of agony across the country. it was striking. he made this claim that there are government employees who have been getting through this just fine. he suggested that government employees are getting through this just fine. that just suggests that he's not looking at the real -- when he looks outside the window of the oval office, he's not looking at the real world and so that is why if folks are wondering at home, could we be here in the exact same place three weeks from now, i think that's probably not a bad bet to make. my sense is he'll sign the c.r. to get the government open again but we might be right back in the same place again in three weeks. >> he can't quit the wall so says jim acosta. jim, thank you. it is this upside down world. how do all these federal workers get right side up? we've been pointing out this is
a deal he could have had 35 days ago. you could have copy and pasted this speech and gave it back on december 22nd. >> precisely. this is everything the democrats asked for and some republicans. we also have to remember, this is actually everything that all the republicans and democrats and president trump agreed to before christmas, before he completely reversed course. that's what this is. extending funding for a limited period of time so that the debate over border security in the long run could be dealt with. that's actually what mike pence went and agreed with mitch mcconnell was the deal and so it begs the question, how is this not all for naught? the entire 35-day period was completely for naught. it is -- so when the president says in his remarks in the rose garden today that this is going to provide an opportunity to have that debate, you just have to scratch your head and said
that opportunity existed on december 22nd and he was for it until he completely then rejected it. it just defies logic at all. >> totally. >> which is why i think jim is note to how devastating a political defeat it is. one can only hope that some of the smiles and staff -- they are just because the government will reopen and the pain will stop. >> before these federal workers -- that's what i always come back to and -- of course, there are the ramifications of safety and we've been talking to tsa folks and atc folks -- and i know that these -- a lot of these people will get paid back, but are there long-term effects to this for these workers? >> absolutely. you can't just turn government
on and off again, especially in the national security and homeland security space. there's investigations that are ongoing, there's work that's being done, intelligence being collected, sources that are being worked, all sorts of things taking place that you can't just turn it on and off. the other thing is, there's a lot of mid-career folks in government who are going to think about leaving federal service. there's young people who are thinking about, well, maybe i won't go into federal service -- because it used to be more stable and now it's something that's unpredictable. there's just so many aspects on the national security side, on the homeland security side and as far as the long-term affects to the federal workforce that are going to outlive this shutdown and then the uncertainty of their potentially being another one just a few weeks from now. there's going to be people who are going to turn in their retirement papers and who are going to leave government service in the middle of their career when they're just seasoned and expert in their field because they're not going to be willing to put their family through this again.
>> okay, so let's continue. let's say we're in this upside down world, nia-malika henderson, and hopefully the government wants to right this and so, all right, they reopen the government for three weeks, they try to get their together and what if they don't? i'm pushing this forward. if this goes into national emergency territory, does that then, you know -- who wins there, i guess? is it the president because he potentially would get the money for what he wants, this wall and democrats win because they get to say, see, we didn't cave? >> who knows in terms of that scenario, the national emergency, whether he's going to try to move money around as something that was floated before. i'm not a lawyer but it looks like any sort of declaration of a national emergency would face some court challenges. it also would defy logic in many ways. if there's a national emergency
and this was something that was being floated a couple of weeks ago and the president decided not to do that. if something is a national emergency, you imagine that it's something oppressing and yes, ma'am nent and the idea that you can wait not only the first 35 days of this shutdown but now three weeks, that would be 50 or 60 days or so, it doesn't make -- it doesn't jive with this idea that there's a national emergency and an imminent threat to safety even though as you saw in that speech, donald trump still trying to paint this portrait of lawlessness and chaos at the southern border. women with duct tape over their mouths and faces in vans turning left and right. this is one of these images that he keeps repeating. he seems to be obsessed with that notion. what was so striking about this today for me was, this really was a picture of the president in full failure, right?
here he was trying to paint himself as the victor here, someone swooping in and having this deal, he's going to make sure that the federal employees get paid, he's going to make sure that this is a bill that comes up on the senate and is passed. he has failed at every turn around this. 35 days he ends up with nothing. nancy pelosi has won every match. the president is playing tiddlywinks while you have nancy pelosi really having a strategy here basically saying to the president that no negotiations over this wall and we'll see. there will be some sort of negotiations but we also know that democrats are not going to fund this wall. i don't know how many times the president needs to hear that before he actually understands that, but i think after these 35 days it should be pretty clear to him. but there he was with all of the rhetoric that he's had for years and years about the dangers at
the border and so far it hasn't worked to sway public opinion. if anything public opinion is at an all-time high against him and against the wall. >> it bears repeating what we said as soon as the president was over and was done speaking and that is, there is nothing that has changed in the past 35 days except incredible excruciating pain that has been, you know, felt by 800,000 workers and the ripple affects -- >> do we -- i didn't hear anything definitive from trump. are you hearing anything about when they will be paid? >> we don't noel the answer to that -- we don't know the answer to that yet. it's not easy to turn the spigots on and off in government. today is a payday. it might take a while to do the retroactive pay. >> brooke, on the legal question of the national emergency issue
that nia was discussing. the longer -- the longer the shutdown went on and the longer period of time that goes on where congress has an opportunity to debate the issues, the less likely it's possible to use that legal authority appropriately if he wants to invoke national security or national emergency authority. i'll give you a bench mark. it took the u.s. congress 44 days to pass the usa patriot act after 9/11 a true national emergency security. february 13th takes us beyond that point, beyond that 45 days from originally when this first shutdown started. so i think that the longer this period of time goes on and we get past february 4th which is that 9/11 usa patriot act bench mark, the stronger the legal challenges against his use of emergency authority are going to be. >> that is such a significant point. let me thank all of you because
i woke up to what i thought would be the biggest story of the day until this happened. thanks to everyone for talking about the government reopening for three weeks. a huge moment today in the special counsel robert mueller probe. this man, roger stone, former associate to president trump was arrested early today and now faces charges including obstruction, giving false statements, witness tampering an incredible scene as he left the courthouse today. what he's vowing to do next. we'll take you inside the fbi raid inside roger stone's home this morning there in florida all caught on camera. you're watching cnn. we'll be right back.
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leave no room behind with xfi pods. simple. easy. awesome. click or visit a retail store today. to the other huge story of the day, another member of president trump's inner circled ensnared in the mueller probe. six people have now been charged or convicted. michael flynn, rick gates, paul manafort, george papadopoulos, michael cohen and today roger stone has now been added to the list. stone is now out on a quarter million dollars bond after being arraigned in a florida court on a slue of charges among them obstruction, false statements and witness tampering. stone seemed to be loving every bit of the attention, the
cameras focused right on him as he headed out of the courthouse, steps to address allegations while giving a nod to richard nixon who stone became close with after working on his campaign and has his tattoo on his back. here's roger stone in his own words. >> lock him up! lock him up! lock him up! >> the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. i am falsely accused of making false statements during my testimony to the house intelligence committee. at the crack of dawn, 29 fbi agents arrived at my home with 17 vehicles with their lights flashing when they could simply have contacted my attorneys and i would have been more than willing to surrender voluntarily.
they terrorized my wife, my dogs. i will plead not guilty to these charges. i will defeat them in court. there is no circumstance whatsoever under which i will bear false witness against the president nor will i make up lies to ease the pressure on myself. i look forward to being fully and completely vindicated. >> roger stone, pausing to speak, answer questions, sounds pretty chill about all of it but as he said, the entire thing kicked off with this dramatic predawn raid caught by the fbi carried out by the fbi and seen in this exclusive cnn video. in new york today, another group of agent could be seen carrying out boxes in evidence bags from stone's apartment complex. the headline here is this, stone is accused of seeking stolen emails from wikileaks that could hurt trump's opponents in
coordination with senior trump campaign official. this is the first time prosecutors have alleged that there were additional people close to the then republican candidate who were involved in this and not surprisingly press secretary sarah huckabee sanders dismissed the developments. >> this has nothing to do with the president and certainly nothing to do with the white house. this is something that has to do solely with that individual and not something that affects us here in this building. >> there's just one more thing. those fbi agents who took stone into custody before dawn today they were working without pay at the time of the arrest because of the government shutdown. so my panel is back with me. kerry, between the indictment, the stone scene today, what was your biggest takeaway? >> i think my biggest takeaway was that the indictment -- i went through the indictment and
i circled all the times that it indicated that stone was in communication with multiple -- that's plural members of the trump campaign as he was going back and forth to his interimmediatariries involved with organization one in the indictment which we can assume is wikileaks. so in the past when we've been talking about the case related to maybe paul manafort, the president's surrogates have been quick to say that was just him. that didn't have anything to do with the campaign. in this indictment what it makes clear is that stone was in communication and talking and updating and getting direction from plural members of the trump campaign. >> let me come back to you on that point. chris, over to you on what our cnn cameras captured earlier this morning in ft. lauderdale. his arrest at his home looked dramatically different than the others we've seen. can you tell me why that was?
>> first, i'd say, i can't tell who's happier to be indicted, roger stone or michael cohen? what you saw this morning was a pretty dramatic raid by the fbi probably done the way they do raids to prevent the destruction of evidence, computer evidence, digital evidence probably. that wasn't -- there is some concern when you have that type of warrant that someone might react and not know they are police and might react violently but this is what you do in a bear knuckles investigation when a defendant doesn't cooperate, becomes very obstinate. i've served under director mueller. i know him well. he's not going to do this kind of raid unless he has significant equity in this, in other words, that there's some -- there's good reason to do it. he's looking for some very important evidence in there and he didn't want to see it destroyed. >> the arrest, though, chris and the indictment on the very same day, is that unusual?
>> no, that's not terribly unusual. in this type of investigation they do a lot of preplanning and this is a culmination of a plan that probably was set in motion weeks and weeks ago. >> okay. and then, carrie, when we saw roger stone, you know, on those front steps of the courthouse with his lawyer behind him, he said, i am one of trump's oldest friends and he said i will not testify against the president. >> well, there's the pardon play. >> thank you. it's like he's talking to trump. >> that's the pardon play. this is a president who has demonstrated already in his first two years in office that he's willing to use pardons. he's talked about them publicly in the context of this broader russia investigation so that was roger stone saying i'm not the rat and i should get good treatment from the president so he's communicating with the president through the air waves. the fact is, is that this indictment shows that there is a lot of evidence using text,
using emails that the investigators have and so roger stone knows that the investigators have all that evidence and they probably were able to gather more evidence this morning. >> and also gathering evidence, chris, not only his home in ft. lauderdale but his home -- his apartment in new york has been search. what else are they looking for? >> in this digital age, establishing prbl cause for this type of search, you can search anywhere there's computer media, there's mobile devices and if there's internet service in a particular location. that's enough to get you in the house to search for digital evidence. there may be paper documents they're looking for. there might be other types of financial records they're looking for, written records. people still to have written documents, so i just believe that -- you don't see the direct connection with russia yet but i think there's a