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march 7th, 6:00 here in new york. and it was empanada morning here. if we don't tell them they're going to find out eventually. >> it's a real high at first and then you crash somewhere during the show, so we'll keep you posted. >> like i said, if we didn't tell them they would have found out eventually. new this morning, on a possibly unrelated note, pardon me or is it pardon you? michael cohen had his former lawyer talk to the trump team including rudy giuliani bay possible pardon, that's according to michael cohen's current lawyer confirming reports overnight in the wall street juournal and "the washington post." he says also spoke to sekulow about a pardon. there are at least two significant issues this raises. number one, how did this does this align for with his testimony last week that he never asked for a pardon, and number two was the trump team open for business when it came to the power of the pardon? if there was a dangle, how deep
was the dangle, as it were? >> you know i like to debate a dang. >> i know you do. >> meanwhile, cnn has learned that michael cohen handed over new documents to the house intelligence committee showing edits to the false statement that he delivered to congress in 2017 about the trump moscow tower project. cohen told lawmakers that one of the president's lawyers edited his testimony. but, for some reason, cohen's lawyer, lanny davis, said that cohen himself authored a false lie. and "the new york times" plays down how much ivanka trump knew about the project. we have joe here to unpack for us. hi, joe. >> these allegations about dangling a pardon are potentially explosive because one of the things at the heart of the concept of political corruption is offering a thing of value like a pardon in exchange for an official act. so this is all about who said what and when, what was their
intent and can they prove it? new questions about michael cohen's congressional testimony coming after a second closed-door hearing before the house intelligence committee. >> i believe they're happy, i'm here to cooperate and will tw n continue to cooperate. >> reporter: he said he discussed the intelligence committee with rudy giuliani and sekulow. sekulow denying the discussion occurred. "the wall street journal" reports after the fbi raided cohen's properties last year, he directed his attorney to explore possibilities of a pardon with giuliani and the president's other lawyers. giuliani telling cnn that he never offered anyone a pardon. both reports raising questions about whether cohen misled congress in public testimony last week. >> i have never asked for, nor would i accept a pardon from president trump. >> lanny davis insisting to cnn
that his comment does not contradict cohen's testimony saying cohen directed his attorney to discuss a pardon with mr. trump's attorneys when they were in a joint defense agreement. davis claims that cohen was referring to the period after the collapse of that agreement during last week's testimony. multiple sources tell cnn that cohen also provided the committee with documents showing edits to the false written statement he delivered to congress in 2017 about the timing of negotiations over the trump tower moscow project. last week cohen testified that mr. trump's lawyer made changes to the statement. >> there were several changes that were made, including how we were going to handle that message. >> which was -- >> were you finished? >> yes, the message of course being the length of time that the trump tower moscow project stayed and remained alive. >> davis tells cnn that cohen authored the line lying about
when discussions when the project ended, but a key question remains whether any of the lawyers who signed off open the statement knew it was false. now, jay sekulow put out a statement last week denying that northwest president's lawyers edited or changed cohen's statement regarding the trump tower negotiations. but even if they did, lawyers deal with the information their clients give them and both the president and michael cohen were on the record making public statements about those negotiations that were later found to be false. alisyn. >> all right, joe, thanks so much for explaining all of that. let's discuss it with jennifer rogers. jennifer, help us understand this because i would think that most defendants in michael cohen's situation would ask their old friend the president for a pardon, that would be a starting point. so why is this one so legally significant? >> well, you're right, it's not uncommon to kind of look for all of your options, right?
but if the president, and this is bigger picture. it's not just cohen we're talking about, manafort, flynn, other people who were at risk with cooperating with the president. if he is offering pardons to people, that could be two things. it could be obstruction of justice, right? because you're trying to convince a potential witness against you not to become a witness against you. and it could be quid pro quo bribery. so we're talking about two separate criminal problems the president could find himself in. and remember, bill barr, the new ag who say staunch defender of the president says he can't be convicted of obstruction of justice for firing the fbi director did say that he could be opt hook for obstruction if he was offering pardons in exchange for the person not testifying. >> so you see more legal jeopardy for the president and his team if there was talk of a pardon than michael cohen, though michael cohen, it would have meant that he lied about it in the public testimony last week if he approached the president's team about a pardon. and he could do more jail time? >> he's the problem. this is the problem with perjury
generally speaking when we were talking way back about jeff sessions testimony, matthew whitaker's testimony more recently. it has to be a big lie. as far as we know now, even if all of these allegations proven to be true, it's not a false statement to say that with the you cannot charge him for perjury with that. would he take a credibility hit if it turned out did he have some outreach and he said yes, probably, but it's not going to be perjury. >> does it made who made the overture to whom? does it matter which it team, the president's team or cohen's team first floated the idea of a pardon? >> it does. if it's cohen's team and the trump's team like we're not counting on that at all, go do what you need to do, they don't have have any jeopardy from that. but it depends. a lot of the obstruction is the wink wink nod nod we can't talk about pardons right now but we hope you'll stay strong with us michael, that sort of thing could certainly be obstruction.
>> how are we ever going to find out. >> well, prosecutors i think already know. remember they had flynn on board, had no concerns about his cooperation, so i think he's told them everything that he knows. they were cooperating with manafort for a long time. i think they know all there is to know. i think congress is get together bottom with it all the time they're spending with michael cohen. it's just us, the public who are in the dark. >> thanks for explaining this. john. kirstjen nielsen under oath and under attack in a contentious house hearing. the secretary defended the president's immigration policies and his national emergency declaration. jessica snyder is life ve in washington with the details. >> reporter: she stressed the stance this is a true emergency and not just a manufactured crisis. to do that, neil nielsen cited large numbers and said if they
stay on track, close to 1 million migrants could try to cross the border. it wouldn't be record breaking, but it could be the most since 2006. democrats weren't satisfied with the numbers. they grilled the homeland secretary demanding answers that she wasn't always able to give. >> we all know the results of the policy and the compassionate or lack of compassion. >> ma'am, it's not a policy, it's the law. we enforce the law. >> reporter: homeland security secretary nielsen answering questions over the border and dodging questions about its intent. >> you knew that policy was going to result in children having to be taken away from their parents. that's a policy. you should admit it. >> the consequence of any adult going to jail in that country as they're separated from their child, that wasn't point of it. the point was to increase prosecutions for those breaking the law. >> reporter: last year, then attorney general jeff sessions admitted that the policy was meant to deter immigration by separating families. >> well, is it does --
>> are you creditionsidering th did ternt. >> reporter: nielsen unable to give a number of how many children had been separated. >> you left kids be separated without track being them. do you know how outrage dwlaus is? >> nielsen confirming that some parents have been deported without their children but insisting. >> there is no parent who has been deported, to my knowledge, without multiple opportunities to take their children with them. >> reporter: a recent court filing by the trump administration identified 471 parents who were removed from the u.s. without their children. some without being given the opportunity to elect or waive reunification. democrats grilling her about the conditions at the border. >> does it different from the kath cages you put your dogs in when you let them stay outside? is it different? >> yes. >> in what sense? >> it's larger.
it has facilities. it provides room to sit, to stand or to lay down. >> so do my dogs' cage. >> reporter: nielsen citing statistics that apprehensions of undocumented immigrants have doubled since last year, backing the president's request to declare a national emergency at the border. >> this is not a manufactured crisis, this is truly an emergency. >> so some tough questions from democrats there. secretary nielsen was also pressed on the administration shifting asylum policies. one california congresswoman talked about visiting the border where she saw an asylum seerk turned away. and she reported that they can apply at the ports of entry, it is true that the trump administration has issued a daily cap on those asylum applications and that has been thwarting some asylum seekers. alisyn. >> thank you very much for the update on that. meanwhile, there's this democratic resolution condemning anti-semitism but it may not come to a vote on the house floor this week.
sources tell cnn there's a messy debate going on behind the scenes over how to deal with the latest comments from minnesota's freshman congressman. >> there is uncertainty about how and whether democrats will respond to those gratz that congresswoman ilhan omar made last week about israel. here's what she said, just to remind our audience. >> i want to talk about -- i want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country. >> reporter: behind closed doors democrats have been trying to debate this issue, and nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house, has been trying 10 to sfors with her caucus that they should discuss this privately, that they shouldn't go out and publicly condemn their colleagues, that sort of gives
republicans room to attack them. she told her colleagues that no one should ascribe motives to their other members. she said, quote, you can disagree whole heart liheartedl about doh not question their patriotism. this was supposed to be a resolution to condemn anti-semitism, but some of omar's colleagues have actually started to try to get the leadership to include also any language to condemn islamaphobia. now, this has become such a large issue on capitol hill that 2020 candidates are beginning to weigh in. kamala harris who is a member of the congressional black caucus issued a statement after a meeting in the congressional black caucus yesterday basically saying that i am, quote, concerned that the spotlight that is being put on congresswoman omar and how it may put her at risk. she also went on to say that, you know, there's a discussion
to be had here, but that it should be respectful on both sides. john. >> all right. lauren fox for us on capitol hill. joining us now is rachel bade, "washington post" congressional reporter and cnn political analyst. rachel, you have some terrific color from inside this democratic cause caucus meeting and it does appear there are real fissures among the members. >> democrats kicked off the year strong. they stuck together through the shutdown fight. pelosi was able to rally the troops and get the president to cave when it coame to his borde wall. but ever since then we've seen them really struggling as they get up to speed with their new power and we're seeing these fractures in the caucus. some folks on the far left slashing with some of the more moderate members, and it's been a mess. it came to a head yesterday morning in a really contentious caucus meeting with people started basically scolding their colleagues for tweeting each other.
over the weekend and the past few days we've seen lawmakers from alexandria ocasio-cortez tweeting at more senior members in the house about omar's comments. and right now there's this sort of divide about what do they do regarding these comments where they were very much anti-semitic and a lot of democrats are uncomfortable with them and want to condemn them. at the same time, a lot of progressives say, listen, why are we calling out one of our own for something like this when we never call out other republicans who might have said something racially charged? of course they did that with steve king just a few weeks ago. but democrats say they rarely do that and they say they shouldn't be going after one of their own. >> and, as you noted, there are real frustrations among some of the party -- "the new york times" has a whole story on this today, that the democratic platform may have been derailed a little bit by this and some of the other activities. this is not what they wanted to be talking you about in the beginning of march. >> not at all. last week they passed a landmark
gun control bill basically expanding background checks, very popular issue that they both ran on and that voters generally approve of in high numbers. that got little attention because some of their moderate members joined with a bunch of republicans on an obscure vote right before that bill passed. and that ended up being the headline, that the moderate democrats had broke from the party and pelosi was mad at them and scolding them on the house floor. this week, same thing. democrats are trying to pass and will pass this landmark sort of bill regarding campaign finance and the whole, you know, elections and sort of opening up and being transparent on elections. but, again, omar's comments have totally derailed those talks and right now nobody's really writing about it. >> very quickly, is it guaranteed we will ever see a vote, this resolution get to the house floor? >> you know, i think it's really unclear at that point. it clearly has upset a lot of people in the caucus and they think they don't want to be going after one of their own. at the same time, democrats do
have strong ties to the jewish community and right now they're in this really tough bind about who are they going to please right now? >> rachel bade, don't go far. we need you back in just a second. martha mcsally stunning her senate colleagues during a hearing on sexual assault in the military. mcsally revealed she was raped by a superior officer while serving in the air force. we're live in los angeles with more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, alison. this was such a stunning moment in this hearing. we're talking about a career military woman, a woman who is a war hero and someone who i've covered over her senate run in arizona. someone who always displayed incredible toughness. well, she shared that toughness as she talked and shared her personal story. >> so, like you, i am also a military sexual assault
survivor. >> reporter: survivor and senator representing arizona now and revealing she was once a young air force member who felt she couldn't speak up. >> in one case i was preyed upon and then raped by a superior officer. i stayed silent for many years. i didn't report being sexually assaulted. like so many women and men, i didn't trust the system at the time. i blamed myself. i was ashamed and confused. and i thought i was strong, but felt powerless. >> reporter: mcsally's story even more astonishing because of who she is. mcsally crushed military and societal barriers, america's first female fighter pilot to fly in combat. she sued the department of defense over a policy requiring all weapon to cover themselves off base in saudi arabia, a policy that the dod would change. a proud veteran, mcsally told me as she launched her senate run
how central her military career was to her identity. but when she eventually reported the assault to her superiors. >> i was horrified at how my attempt to share generally my experiences were handled. i almost separated from the air force at 18 years over my d despair. like many victims, i felt the system was raping me all over again. but i didn't quit. >> reporter: mcsally had survived assault before joining the military, telling "the wall street journal" that at age 17 her high school track coach sexually abused her. the coach denied the allegations to the journal. >> are you going to be a fighter pilot? >> reporter: during her unsuccessful run for the senate as a republican, mcsally talked about the hard times she suffered as a young woman, now as a senator appointed to fill the late senator john mccain's
seat have she seat, she is fighting for change in the military on behalf of victims like her. >> we must fix those things that protect sexual harm against women and some men as well. >> reporter: the air force responded releasing this statement saying, quote, the criminal actions reported today by senator mcsally variety every part of what it means to be an airman wet we are said fast to eliminate this behavior and breach of trust in our ranks. they say she wanted to speak now in this particular hearing because she needed to speak honestly with other survivors. alisyn. >> makes perfect sense. thank you very much. joining us now is kirsten powers, and it's great to see you. we just wanted to talk to you as someone who herself has been
brave and coming forward and sharing personal stories. you have written about having been sexually salted assaulted years old when you were in high school. what did you think when you heard senator mcsally talk about this yesterday? >> i commend her. it's hard to talk about these things publicly and the more women that do it i think the more difference that it makes. and especially somebody like her, this is something that happened when she was in the military, which i think we all associate what she was doing being in the military, she was a real trail blazer as being a very strong woman. it's important for people to understand that just because you're a strong woman, just because you're tough doesn't mean that these things can't happen to you. >> and i think also some of the reluctance to come forward and speak is, first, that you wouldn't be believed. but that's changing. and then second, that when you are believed you'll be defined by it somehow. well, that's the journalist who was sexually harassed.
>> right. >> that was the senator who was raped. in your experience after speaking out candidly, what will happen next for senator mcsally? >> well, i do think now because more women are speaking up, i think people are starting to see it a little differently and see that this is something that's really prevalent in our society. and the more you can put faces to it, you know, versus just statistics, which, you know, don't have the same impact, so when you have somebody who is attaching her face, her name to a story, then i think it makes a big difference. and, you know, there was a study in 2014 of the military and they found that 52% of the women who had been sexually assaulted faced retaliation for reporting it. so, you know, this is -- this is still a problem that's going on and so i think there is a strength in numbers. i think the more women who come out and tell their stories, i think that that makes a huge difference. and it encourages other women to
speak up. >> absolutely. and she talked about how when she did speak out she felt violated all over again because i suppose she was retaliated against or wasn't believed. but i'm also just cruise wheuri you think we are today. think there's been a sea change in the past two years where s d suddenly high-profile people are talking about sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape. i think that helps peel away the taboo. but, of course, the problem has not been solved. and so where do you think we are today that allows a set of high-profile senator to come out and make that kind of revelation? >> well, there's no question that there's been change. but there's still a long way to go. you know, i don't think that, you know, if you look at what happened with kristine blaus
decide ford, t sied for, you still hear women being skeptical and they are still are mystified as to why women don't feel safe reporting this. and so i think there's still work to be done on that front. i don't think a lot of people still understand how scary it is for women to report sexual assaults. i hope moving forward women will feel differently, but we still have a lot of women who have experienced this in the past who i think want to come out and talk about it. and people still will stay, well, if this happened you should have just reported it then and, you know, we know -- we know, you know, that there's a reason that women aren't reporting, it's because they're convinced they're not going to be believed and they are afraid of retaliation. >> well, i have to believe that every time we have this
conversation publicly it helps get rid of the stigma and helps other survivors be believed. kirsten, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> john. three huge policy setbacks for the president in less than one week, incolliding on some of his central campaign promises. how does president trump react if trumpism means a rise in illegal immigration and an increase in the trade deficit? plus, major developments in the biden watch. that's next. -guys, i want you to meet someone. this is jamie. you're going to be seeing a lot more of him now. -i'm not calling him "dad." -oh, n-no. -look, [sighs] i get it. some new guy comes in helping your mom bundle and save with progressive, but hey, we're all in this together. right, champ? -i'm getting more nuggets. -how about some carrots? you don't want to ruin your dinner.
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exploding an all-time high. and those last two, the trade deficit and immigration central to president trump's 2016 campaign and victory. joining us now, rachel bade, kirsten powers and joe lockhart with us now as well, former clinton white house press secretary. the border crossing 76,000 in february, the apprehension the highest february in 12 years. the trade deficit, this number came out just late yesterday, 621 billion, that's the worst in a decade, joe. and the manufacturing trade deficit's the worst ever. >> right. >> you know, if donald trump had said when he was running for president i will increase the trade deficit and increase illegal immigration, he would have been in trouble. and that's exactly what's happened. >> i think it highlights the difference between running as a challenger and saying you're going to change everything and fix every problem with a magic wand and having to run for re-election as an incumbent. i mean, his policies have been misguided to put it mildly, from the beginning. but these numbers now highlight
it. now, they'll argue, and they'll argue strenuously that, boy, if we could just get the democrats to come with us we would solve these problems, but that's very hard. he did say he would get rid of the deficit within a couple years. he'd get rid of the trade deficit. illegal immigration would be solved, all of these things. but at some point he's got to figure, you know, as they go into 2020 he's got to have some level of talking about his accomplishments. and the ironic thing is, you know, the trade deficit often is a reflection of our own economy. it's people here are making more money so they're buying more products and the single best thing he could run on he rarely mentions. he quickly gets to things like these wedge cultural issues when economic issues, bread and butter issues are much better for him. >> speaking of the wedge cultural issues, this is one that's gripping country, rachel, that's the opioid crisis.
he also said he was going to solve that. we had people on a voter pan thael believed him and voted for him on that single issue, opioid overdoses are pup the they haup. they have been up since the president took office. but back to the border numbers, i guess that abject poverty in honduras and central america doesn't respond to rhetoric. and so all the stuff that the president has done and said over the past two years doesn't seem to be making a dent in families coming here seeking asylum. and, by the way, if he says that it's democrats that are the impediment, you know, obviously congress was republican for the past two years. >> right. and democrats with their takeover of the house, you know, the frustration that he has seen on this issue and, you know, trade and also north korea as well, that's only just going to continue because democrats now control the house. and they're not going to be cooperating or putting a rubber stamp on any of these policies that he's going for. on immigration in particular,
there's a sense at the white house that even if he can't say, look, these immigration numbers have decreased, that he can potentially hold up the emergency declaration and say, look, i had to do this, i'm showing that i'm fighting, if i have to go around congress i'm going to do it. they think that that will play to his base. but, again, the numbers don't lie and he needs independents to win re-election in 2020 and there's the rub. that's the problem. >> and kirsten, on the trade deficit here, it may be the driest of the issues here, but it's also the one that may have been the most important to some of these midwest states, the rust belt where he did well, he said we were getting ripped off by china and he said i'm the one who can fix it. well, we're getting ripped off by china, in his definition, worse now than when he came in. the trade deficit is even greater. economists will tell you it's not the president's fault, macroeconomics always wins out, but it's not what he promised. >> right. i wish that voters voted on these issues, but i don't -- i
don't think that they do. and i don't think there are many voters, many voters, if any voters, who vote on the trade deficit. this is something that donald trump obviously likes to talk about, but i just don't think it's a factor in how people vote. and i think it's going to come down to, first of all, who the democrats choose to run against him. so once we have that, then it becomes, you know, a zero-sum game between do you want this person or do you want that person? and so once that happens, i think that then there's going to be more clarity around how donald trump is going to run. he's not going to lose any of his base. he has an 88% approval rating among republicans. so they are obviously aware of what's happening in the country and they're still rallying around him. and so i think that i couldn't agree more that he hasn't delivered on a lot of his promises. i think on immigration he is going to just point to the democrats. he's going to say did i
everything i could, the democrats don't care about keeping the border safe and i'm doing everything i can but they're stopping me. so for people who care about that issue as a top issue, i think that they're going to be inclined to believe that. >> but the problem is, is that his solution and his assistance fixing the wrong problem, joe. i mean, so there's going to be this -- there's a national emergency declaration and he's going to veto the attempts to block it and so it's probably going to happen. but the 41,000 family apprehensions that have just happened in the past month, this spike at the border, they weren't coming across the rio grand valley, they were presenting at legal points offent. so he's solving the wrong kries skblis yeah. i mean, pick up on what kirsten just said. he's not campaigning on the real issues on any of these things. he didn't campaign on the trade deficit. he campaigned on china screwing us and, you know, they're taking your jobs, china, because they're bad people. he's -- the people coming across the border, most of them are
families fl famili families fleeing violence. these are gang members. and it's about creating this emotion and driving a wedge between the public and keeping enthusiasm up among his base. i have no doubt that whatever the numbers are, he'll continue to pursue the same political strategy. and where the numbers don't work for him, he'll just lie about them because he's done it what? 10,000 times already. >> so kirsten brought up the idea of what will matter is who the democrats nominate. there's this brand-new article in the "new york times" out about 20 minutes ago from alex burns and jonathan martin that says that joe biden is very, very close. very close. >> how close? >> very close. >> extremely close. >> to getting in the race. biden's main political guy is calling people and saying that he is 95% committed to running. 95% say lot, it's also not 100, rachel, and the article goes into the details of sort of the groundwork being laid and an
announcement could come at the beginning of april. this could be huge if biden gets in. >> it would totally shake up 2020 and the democratic primary so far, of course, because right now we're seeing a lot of progressive candidates jump in. elizabeth warren, bernie sanders. people are competing on the far left. but we don't have someone who has the name recognition that's in this sort of center or moderate democratic lane. and that's exactly where biden would be and he would very quickly, a lot of people think, become the front runner. but i think you nailed it on the head right there. 95% is not a hundred percent. and there's a great quote where he says i'm sure he's going to run, but i'm not sure joe biden is sure he's going to run. and a lot of people are supporting him, they want him to run, they're talking to people about working for a potential biden campaign, but he's got to make that decision. and right now his heart's not there yet. >> we only have a few seconds left, kirsten. that would be a massive head fake if next week he announces
he does not run. >> yeah. i mean, it could happen. but i think, you know, i think that it's going to be interesting to see what happens if he runs just because of the way the democratic party has shifted. and one of the big issues among progressives, of course, is the 1994 crime bill which he was a major player in. and he has made some apologies, but i'm not sure he's quite ready for how many apologies he's going to have to make. he was a vice president and we've seen in the past where some of these more older democrats who have been around for a long time get sort of annoyed when they are asked to, you know, repeatedly account for their past decisions. and that's something he'll have to tread very carefully on have some thank you all very much. now, this upsetting news, a legendary jeopardy host, alex tra beck announce he is battling
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revealed he is battling stage four pancreatic cancer. he vowed that he will fight this. cnn medical correspondent elizabeth cohen joins us now with much more. pancreatic cancer is very serious. stage four, far along. >> stage four means that the cancer has spread, it's metastasized to distant parts of the body. according to the american cancer society, people at this stage, only 3% of them are still alive five years after their diagnosis. while it is a very sobering statistic, the american cancer society also makes a point of saying, look, we can't predict what's going to happen in any particular person's situation. so alex trebek says he is staying optimistic, he posted this message. >> i'm going to fight this and i'm going to keep working and with the love and support of my family and friends and with the help of you prayers also, i plan to beat the low survival rate statistics for this disease.
truth told, i have to because under the terms of my contract, i have to host jeopardy for three more years. so help me. >> so as we can see, he's staying very optimistic. and like many people you look at mr. trebek and he looks terrific. and the problem is and i've spoken to pancreatic cancer patients, but when they're diagnosed they often feel just fine and that actually is the problem. that's one of the reasons why this cancer so deadly. by the time people feel symptoms, whether it's abdominal pain or itching or a bit offon dus, t jaudice. that's why it's so deadly. alisyn, john. >> you have to love his humor, and his resolve facing this.
he has to be bolsertered by the support pouring in from around the world. >> you were on jeopardy, did you meade meet alex trebek? >> yeah, he was asking me the questions. >> so you have dealt with him? >> i have. he talks to you between the breaks. think he liked the other contestants more than me. >> impossible. >> they were micer than nicer t >> he obviously has access to the best doctors where he is, he obviously has money. he seems to be very committed to it. i have a friend who pete pancreatic cancer, i know how, a this that is, it's been 15 years now. but let's hope thehe will be th shining star in this. fact checkers are working overtime. up next, the man who has to keep count of all of the fishy claims from the president. you still stressed about buying our first house, sweetie?
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"the washington post" fact checker has now counted more than 9,000 false or misleading claims by the president since he took office. and the rate is increasing. joining us now is glen kessler. glen, great to have you. what is the exact number? you crunched the numbers all the time. what are we up to this morning? >> well, we update it every couple weeks. so as of march 3 trd was 9,014. >> okay. 9,014. and one of the things that you have uncovered is that the rate of misleading and false statements is increasing. so when the president first took office he was making about 5.9 false or misleading claims a day. in 2018, 16.5 false or misleading claims a day. now in 2019 you're kaunt counti counting 22 false or misleading
claims a day. how do you keep up with this? >> it's difficult. we have a staff of three and we just have to monitor everything the president says or tweets and really keep pace with it. we thought we were going to have an easy weekend before we did the last update and then he gave the speech at cpac where we counted more than 100 false or misleading claims. >> that was a tour deforce of falsehoods. so i know you're a fact checker, not a psychoanalyst. but do you have any sense since you studied this so closely, why the number is and frequency is increasing? >> well, the president talks an awful lot. it's unusual if you compare him to barack obama or george w. bush. if white houses essentially ended the white house press briefing, the president essentially act as his own spokesman. so he'll do all sorts of news
briefings or things like that, constant interviews on fox news. and lots and lots of rallies where there tend to be quite a few claims. so it's the fact that he spews out a lot of words and a fair number of them happen to be false or misleading. >> you've broken them down by subject, so let me put this up. immigration gets a lot of falsehoods. 1,688. foreign policy, 1,015. trade, 939. the economy, 840. jobs, 815. do you call these lies when you hear them? >> well, it -- we tend to avoid the use of the word lie. you know, we at the "washington post" we have a pinocchio system. so in many of these claims qualify as four pinocchios or three pinocchios. but, you know, in some cases it's a matter not what quite what i would call a lie but something where the context is
completely missing. and so therefore it leaves a misleading impression in the listeners' ears. >> that's interesting but it makes your job harder the fact you have a continuum. so how do you figure -- so basically you have the different pinocchio system and how do you go about categorizing it as a falsehood? what's your process? where do you start by figuring out if it's false or if he's just using different statistics than, say, the average person? >> well, i mean, we wouldn't be different statistics. we would include it if it's statistics that he does in a misleading way. so, for instance, when he talks about the number of jobs created in his administration, he counts from the date of the election, not from the date he took office. so that adds, you know, four months of jobs that took place under barack obama. it's a statistic, but it's very misleading because he increases his total significantly.
>> the number that you have said that we're now at is 9,014 and you, correct me if i'm wrong, thought that you weren't going to hit that number until the end of his first term. >> yes. yes, at the rate he was going we weren't even sure if we would -- the big number, of course, is 10,000 and we said, well, there's no way we'll necessarily get there by the end of his first term. at the rate we're going, we might get there sometime next month. >> glen kessler, fact checker from the washington post, thank you very much. >> all right. facebook's mark zuckerberg announcing a new vision for the social network. what it means for you. these could be big changes. next. ♪
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us now to explain what's he doing? >> it sounds like something out of the onion, right, that zuckerberg says this company that's been having so much trouble with privacy in the past couple years is going to focus now solely on privacy and private communications. but that's basically what zuckerberg said in his blog post yesterday announcing these sweeping changes on facebook. he says effectively that he realizes that the old era of social media might be coming to an end or it might be transition s. and i mean that people are no longer as likely or wanting to share things with anyone and everyone on facebook and they're moving to what he calls the digital living room. meaning they want to share things with family and friends and private messages and private group chats. so zuckerberg wants to position facebook in a way that they're not left behind when this changes. so one of the things he quickly off the bat says that they can do is they own all these messaging platforms. they own instagram, whatsapp, messenger. so they can make it if you have instagram you can message someone who's on facebook or if you have facebook you can
message someone on whatsapp making it a seamless transition and allowing users to utilize all the apps of facebook user. he also talks about disappearing messages and making intent -- so they can communicate securely. that's an important thing for facebook do so that users have trust that facebook is going to make sure that then are able to communicate privately on the platform. this does come with some drawbacks. one is facebook's policy or their business model is that they collect data on users. and so without being able to read the messages because it's encrypted. facebook is no longer going to be able to collect as much data and that's a drawback for facebook's investors. and they say that people might not trust facebook when they say they want to double down on privacy. he says in a statement or blog post i understand that many people don't think facebook can or would want to build this kind of privacy-phobe kusd platform because we don't have a strong reputation for building
privacy-productive services. but we've repeatedly shown that we can evolve. and i think that's what we remain to see is whether facebook can evolve. >> thank you very much. it will ab i heavy tloift make facebook synonymous with privacy. >> i feel like we've all been part of this grand experiment of social media and facebook and we've all been guinea pigs of this. >> thank you for our international viewers for watching. cnn talk is next for you. for our u.s. viewers, was michael cohen's part of the pardon talks? >> the members found an it an enormously production. >> there were changes made including the length of time the moscow tower project remained alive. >> everything mr. cohen says you have to look through the prism of is he telling us the truth? >> there will be a vote. there's no place in this world for anti-semitism. >> wet