tv New Day With Alisyn Camerota and John Berman CNN March 7, 2019 5:00am-6:01am PST
>> good morning. welcome to your "new day." it is thursday, march 7, 8:00 in the east. new this morning, two big questions. one, did michael cohen lie to congress and, two, how deep was the dangle? what was the president's team discussing or offering when it comes to pardons? according to michael cohen's current lawyer, cohen had his ex-lawyer talk to the trump team including rudy giuliani about a possible pardon. michael cohen himself testified last week under oath that he never asked for a pardon. could he be in new legal jeopardy? what about the president's legal team? were they open for business on the pardon issue? >> cnn learned michael cohen handed over new documents to the house intelligence committee yesterday showing edits to the false statement he delivered to congress in 2017 about the trump moscow tower project. cohen told lawmakers that one of the president's lawyers edited his testimony, but, confusingly, lanny davis said cohen himself
authored the false line. joining us with this and more we have republican susan collins of the senate intelligence committee. good morning. >> good morning, alisyn. >> a lot more material has come out from michael cohen in the past week. there are cancelled checks we have now seen paid from president trump to michael cohen. all of this reporting about requests for pardons. we don't know who made the overture, which side. do you have new questions for michael cohen? >> there is a lot of conflicting information. it seems to me based on the public reports and public hearings as opposed to our closed hearings in the senate intelligence committee that michael cohen is given at least three different stories when it comes to the pardon. i felt senator tim kaine said it best when he said there was a lack of direct evidence and it was difficult to sort out.
in the senate we are focused on the issue of russian interference in the 2016 elections. and russian efforts to influence public opinion and exploit divisions. >> have you felt that michael cohen on those topics has been credible for you? >> it's difficult to know. we're trying to put the pieces of the evidence together. we clearly need to reinterview some witnesses whose accounts he contradi contradicts. i would point out that he was convicted of -- or pled guilty to lying to our senate intelligence committee. so it's difficult to put the pieces of the puzzle together. but we are trying to get to the truth as is the special counsel. >> if you find he asked the trump team for a pardon, does that change your opinion of him or his testimony? >> if michael cohen asked for a pardon? >> yeah. >> i do think that's problematic.
it casts doubt over the veracity of all of his testimony. >> i want to move on to the declaration of the national emergency at the border. you are one of four senators who has said that you will vote to block the president's declaration of a national emergency. i'm just wondering if the new numbers we saw yesterday from customs and border protection, that there is a crisis or certainly the numbers have spiked. it appears to be a humanitarian crisis where more families are presenting, more unaccompanied children are presenting. they are trying to seek asylum. they can't sustain all of the people according to cbp. i wonder if that's changed your plan and opinion on what you want to do with the national emergency. >> there is no doubt that we needed stronger border security and that our immigration system is broken. but that's an entirely different issue from the constitutional authority vested in congress to
appropriate funds. i don't see this debate about being whether you are for the wall or against the wall, whether you like president trump or you dislike president trump. i see this as a very important constitutional debate where congress must step up, protect its institutional prerogatives and defend its role under article one of the constitution. it is not the job of the executive branch or judicial branch to appropriate money. it is the job of congress. >> well, president trump says you're wrong. here is his tweet to that very point. senate republicans are not voting on constitutionality or precedent. they are voting on desperately needed border security and the wall. our country is being invaded with drugs, human traffickers and criminals of all shapes and sizes. that's what this vote is about. stay united. your response? >> i don't see it as being what
this vote is about. i support stronger border security including a wall where it makes sense along the border. what this debate is about is whether the president of the united states can take billions of dollars that have been appropriated that he's signed into law and then repurposed them for other projects. in many cases, 2.5 billion of the amount is coming from essential, vital military construction projects. i don't believe that the president has that authority under the constitution. i think the better approach would be for him to submit a supplemental appropriation and work with congress to try to get it through. not to unilaterally act. >> do you agree with him that our country is being invaded by criminals of all shapes and sizes from the southern border? >> i would not use that
language. there is no doubt that we have drugs coming in. 90% of the heroin is coming through the southern border. a lot of it is coming through legal ports of entry. we need to strengthen security there as well. there is no doubt that we do have a humanitarian crisis that needs to be dealt with. so i have supported billions of dollars to help deal with that humanitarian crisis, to put up physical barriers, to increase technology, to have more personnel and roads to remote areas. we need an all of the above approach. we need to be guided by the experts at the department of homeland security. but still, that doesn't change the fact of the separation of powers under the constitution and that's what i'm concerned about. >> senator, do you feel like the white house has been turning up the heat on you and the other three republican senators who have said they are going to vote to block it?
>> i'm sorry, i couldn't hear you. >> turning up the heat. sarah sanders spoke about do your job. the president is tweeting directly at you and your other three republican senators. i wonder if you are feeling more heat in the past week or two. >> i know the president feels very strongly about the issue. i, too, feel very strongly about border security. i helped bring a bipartisan bill to the floor last year that would have given the president $25 billion over ten years. but we just cannot have the president unilaterally shift vast sums of money around for which he does not have the authority to do, in my judgment, under the national emergencies act or other laws. he does have some authority to shift funds, but not to this extent. particularly after congress
turned down his request. >> yeah. >> i don't want to make congress meaningless in the appropriations process when it is arguably our chief role under the constitution. >> very quickly, do you think there will be more than four republicans who vote to block? >> i do. >> you have a sense? you have talked to people and i don't think there will be more. how many? >> i don't know. i haven't taken a count. but i can tell you from talking with my colleagues that many are troubled, even those who are the strongest supporters of the president and his views on border security. >> tell us about the hearing you are having that affects so many americans' health. >> i'm holding a second hearing today on the high cost of prescription drugs. this is a major problem in our country, particularly for our seniors. 90% of whom take at least one prescription drug. yesterday, we heard the voices
of patients who said they could not afford the prescription drugs they need to maintain their health or they have gone deeply in debt in order to do so. that just isn't right. there are a number of actions that we could take to help make the whole system more transparent and to put pressures on the marketplace to lower the cost of prescription drugs. today, we'll hear from a panel of experts who will give us their policy advice for solutions in this area. >> quickly, tell us about one of the solutions. just what you think might be the easiest solution to help fix this. >> one of the things that we need to do is to deal with our patent system. i have introduced a bipartisan bill that would do that. what we are finding is that when the patent is about to expire on a brand name prescription drug, often the manufacturer makes some small change in the drug's formulation or packaging, gets a
new patent in order to keep competitors -- generic competitors that would force the price down -- out of the market. i have introduced a bipartisan bill that would take aim at the gaming of the patent system. patents are legitimate but should not be abused. >> very interesting. we'll be watching today. thank you very much. we enjoy having you on "new day." >> thanks so much. >> in hours paul manafort will be sentenced for bank and tax fraud. manafort faces really what could be the rest of his life in prison if the judge listens to robert mueller's recommendation of a sentence of up to 25 years. sarah murray is live at the federal courthouse with the latest. >> reporter: you're right, john. today is the day paul manafort could learn if he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison. prosecutors asked for up to 25 years for the eight crimes paul manafort was convicted of in
virginia including defrauding the u.s. government, failing to pay taxes. he hasn't shown much remorse. he's blamed everyone else for his crimes. for his part, paul manafort has asked the judge for leniency but never took the stand in his own defense. today he'll have an opportunity to speak before he's sentenced. this is a 69-year-old man. he's already been incarcerated about nine months. his health has been declining. at times he's been using a wheelchair, a cane. that could be his last attempt to ask the judge for leniency to make a final plea. this is the first round of sentencing for paul manafort. next week he will be before a different federal judge for crimes of witness tampering and conspiracy. this is one of two potential jail sentences. back to you. >> thank you very much for the update. there are new questions about
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we ask that because cohen's lawyer had his former lawyer ask about a pardon. joining us now is a congressman who serves on both the house intelligence and oversight committees. you have heard from cohen in public and private. when he says, i never asked for a pardon, was he lying? >> first of all, thank you for having me on. i can't get into the closed door testimony of michael cohen. in an open setting and as explained by his lawyer there is a narrative he's presenting with regard to the pardons. the big question is the presidential pardon act
recognizes the president can pardon but there has to be transparency as to how he uses the power. >> it raises questions about were pardons dangled and to what extent. talking about his public testimony and we played it there. talking about cnn's reporting and the "wall street journal" and "the washington post." lanny davis said the former attorney, steven ryan was directed to ask about a pardon. when michael cohen said in public, i never asked for a pardon, do you have concerns he was lying? >> i think what mr. davis has said is there is a certain time frame that mr. cohen's previous testimony applied to. i think you would have to dive into exactly what that time frame is with mr. davis. but they have presented a narrative which they believe to be consistent. again, i think it goes to the bigger question of the presidential power -- >> do you believe it to be
consistent? >> i think overall based on what i have seen i think it appears to be consistent based on the narrative that he's been presenting. that being said, i think the bigger question remains, is the pardon power being abused by the president. >> do you or have you seen direct evidence that raises questions in your mind that the trump team was open for business when it comes to pardons? >> well, i think if you look at the president's tweets talking about how paul manafort is a hero for not cooperating and michael cohen is a rat for cooperating with the special counsel that implicates potentially the pardon power and rewarding those who cooperate with the president and those who turn state's evidence, so to
speak. >> i have seen the tweets and that's notable. paul manafort is being sentenced today, so if the president is going to pardon manafort he needs to hurry up. have you seen more evidence that pardons were dangled? >> i can't get into what happened behind closed doors. but in the open settings as well as the testimony that's publicly known, we know that the president has been talking about pardons and that his team has also been indirectly dangling this potential pardon to those who are cooperating. >> cnn was the first to report yesterday that michael cohen produced his written testimony from 2017 where he now admitted he pleaded guilty to lying about the timeline of the trump tower project in moscow. he's given it to the house intelligence committee and shown the edits he said were made by
the president's lawyers. can you tell us if there were substantive changes to that testimony? >> i can say he produced a lot of documents as part of his testimony yesterday. it seemed to corroborate his verbal testimony, making him more credible. as you know, his verbal testimony in the open setting before the oversight committee was very clear that the president's attorneys assisted him in changing his statement. as you know, the statement was materially false. false enough that he would be convicted of lying to congress. >> lanny davis who is michael cohen's current attorney told us overnight it was michael cohen who was the author and the sole author of the timeline, suggesting that his discussions with the president about trump tower stopped much earlier than they did. do you have any reason to
believe that when the president's legal team reviewed that, that they knew it was false? >> well, let me put it this way, again, based on the open testimony and what we know about what the president knew and did in 2016, the president was continuing to negotiate through michael cohen. so his attorneys knew. when they saw january 16 as the end date and the timeline that even michael cohen presented that obviously is their knowledge of a materially false fact. >> is it as obvious as that? do we know the president told his lawyers the discussion went on much longer? do we know michael cohen for sure -- that the president knew for sure michael cohen was going
in line. >> what we know is his attorneys actually reviewed this particular document and those attorneys are obviously representing the president and they presumably knew what the timeline was that michael cohen was presenting as well as what the president did during 2016 and those things contradict each other. >> i appreciate you letting me press you on this. these details really do matter. they get to michael cohen's credibility and the potential culpability of the president and his legal team. let me ask you as you are a member of both key committees, what do you think the next most important single thing is to focus on? >> with regard to this particular timeline or generally? >> generally. >> the next thing generally is there were various witnesses
that were actually called out by michael cohen within his open testimony and the oversight committee as well as the intel committee. the next logical steps would be to call the witnesses in and ask them to testify as to the particular events in question. as chairman cummings said in the oversight committee, michael cohen laid out various names of witnesses. we should follow the transcript as to who should be called in next. >> congressman raja krishnamoorthi, thank you. come back soon. >> thank you. is joe biden running for president? john, i'm asking you. it's not rhetorical. >> i'm 95% certain he is. >> so are his strategists. there is new reporting that gives us our biggest clue yet.
presidential run in 2020. >> that's almost. >> that's more than almost on the continuum. joining us now, one of the reporters on the story, jonathan martin, "new york times" political correspondent and cnn political analyst. also with us, joshua green, national correspondent for bloomberg business week and a cnn political analyst, and abby philip, our cnn white house correspondent. okay, j-mart, is he running or not? >> everybody around him wants him to run. the groundwork is being laid. there is a staff in place. they'll have the headquarters in philadelphia and delaware. there are unions like the firefighters who are primed to endorse him after he gets in, if he gets in. everything is prepared except for one thing, guys. the vice president himself has yet to give the sign. so here we go again. this is similar to four years ago except for biden is even further along in his thinking. the staff is certainly further along in their planning.
but there is this sort of odd juxtaposition as when he reported in the story where behind the scenes, biden's people are doing everything to get ready and are telling would be competitors in the primary, i.e., michael bloomberg, biden is going to go, so heads up. but biden is out there in public openly wondering about, you know, the pitfalls, his family. it's quite a moment. it does lead to, you know, the boy that cried wolf element to the story. even the most fervent biden supporters in the world, if you talk to them, they keep a little window open of, well, maybe he won't go through with it after all. >> the wolf may not be the problem here. it might be progressives. it might be that the democratic party is different than the party that joe biden was a part of for decades.
>> he's had a long history in politics. longer than most people who even want to bother running for the problem. a couple of big issues are on the table. there is criminal justice reform. also for joe biden in particular, the me too movement is going to be something he has to grapple with. the anita hill hearings are already things he had to apologize for. even his economic policies, his economic moderatism is a bit of a problem in the democratic primary in which what we are talking about is medicare for all. we are talking about going after the big banks, a kind of progressive politics that's actually progressive populism in a lot of ways. vice president joe biden is going to have to answer for all of those things. i do think the fact that he's had -- he's not coming from 20
years ago out of the blue. he spent eight years in the obama administration. the democratic party still loves president obama. many of them are critical of things. joe biden will get a little bit of a pass because he's not just coming out of obscurity back into the political sphere. >> for what it's worth we had six democrats, some from ohio, pennsylvania, new york, new jersey. four hoped for a progressive. two hoped for a moderate. here's how many of them were hoping for joe biden to get into the race. watch this. >> how many of you would like to see joe biden get in? show of hands. what's happening? >> his time is done. >> i'll be honest, i used to think because i was riding the obama wave. i thought he was a person that would unite the party. to be honest, senator biden really comes from the good old
boys politics of the past. >> just a little slice. >> pretty brutal panel. that illustrates what abby talked about. there are more choices this time around. i would say having been out on the ground talking to voters in iowa, new hampshire, the one commonality among the voters i talked to is we want somebody to beat trump. polls show biden matches up well against trump. >> you have seen more enthusiasm? >> i do. i also see a willingness to overlook things like biden's gaffes or positions. what democratic voters want is somebody to beat trump. that's biden's greatest advantage if he can bring himself to get into the race. >> jonathan martin has steve birchetti saying biden is 95% sure he'll run.
you say to pay attention to the 5%. >> i think so. biden said we'll have the decision by the end of 2018, then by the end of january. they are keeping the lane open, keeping biden's options open. until he declares and says, i'm a presidential candidate, he's not. >> there is no question in democratic politics there is a school of thought that they won't believe biden is in the race until they literally see his signature on the filing papers. then they believe he's in. by the way, that's not just skeptics of biden. that's his admirers saying that. he's blown past the self-imposed deadlines. the current thinking is we have remained solid in the polls, even after two months of other candidates getting in. there is no rush for us to move. certainly not before the end of the first financial deadline which is the end of march. why not give ourselves a few more weeks and then if he does
go, it will be with a fresh, full quarter to raise money in, i.e., starting in april. that said, guys, that's also a way just to give biden more time. don't be surprised if he pushes the deadline back as well. >> abby, in 2019, aren't we past gaffes? >> we're in a post gaffe world? >> are we not in a post gaffe world now? so many different conventions have been broken over the past two years. are gaffes one of them? >> yeah. you know, i think you're right. it's hard to argue that a candidate is gaffe-prone when the man in the oval office almost every day says something that leaves people aghast. >> exactly. >> whether it is republicans or democrats. that's universal. in some ways, i think we are past that. but that said, i think democratic voters kind of
want -- you know, they are not trying to replicate donald trump in the person that they put in the oval office next. so i do think the bar is a bit higher for a democratic candidate. i think this is going to be a tough race. it's going to be very difficult no matter who the nominee is. the question for biden is less about the gaffes and more about the discipline. is he focused enough to get through this race against a candidate who is scrappy, who operates through his gut and is going to be extremely difficult to defeat. i think if you are being honest, a lot of democrats agree on that point. it's not about whether or not he says the right thing all the time. it's just about whether or not he can really be laser-focused on what he needs to be to get through to the end. >> josh, speaking about the man who would be joe biden's opponent in the election, president trump, how's this for a platform -- illegal immigration spiked on the
southern border, the trade deficit has exploded in t, and deal with north korea has fallen apart. >> that's good circumstances for democrats to run on. if you look at biden's strengths as a candidate, his popularity in the upper midwest where democrats think they have the best chance of winning back the votes they need, biden matches up well. he just has to surpass the 5% and make it 100% and get in the race. those are things he can hopefully talk about. >> josh green, jonathan martin, abby phillips, thank you very much. so crossing the street has not been this dangerous in decades. this really is alarming. what's behind the increase in pedestrian deaths, next.
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charges including distracted driving. police say she was putting her cell phone away at the time of the crash. she has pled not guilty. walking is getting riskier. fortunately none of these pedestrians died. but according to this new report from the governor's highway safety association, 2018 is projected to have the highest numbers of pedestrian deaths since 1990. why? the number of americans out walking has increased. also, distracted driving. this ohio driver was convicted in 2017 of killing two teens who were walking on the side of the road. she was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and deleting texts from her phone sent immediately before the crash. >> the death of my daughter is a nightmare i will never wake up from. >> i can't forgive myself. >> reporter: there are more suvs on the road. pedestrians struck by a large suv are twice as likely to die as those struck by a car. in philadelphia, a little girl
was pinned under this suv. she survived. kaitlyn's parents are left to mourn their daughter. >> she wanted to make a difference. she had finished college. she was in the coast guard. >> reporter: and their grand baby. >> reilly was just learning to make eye contact and smile. i really think she was -- she recognized me. who knows what she could have been? >> in their grief, the family has a message. when you have driving, there is nothing important except driving. that second you take your eyes off the road is the second when someone could walk in youralisy >> it's that simple. >> this is a warning when we are walking and driving. thank you very much. here's what else to watch today.
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harry "flash" enten here with the power rankings. >> i was going to model with calvin klein but i'm here instead. we'll start with six through ten. joe biden isn't there. the big movers here and we'll get to elizabeth warren coming down three spots sherrod brown, a big mover. i would group six through eight together and nine through ten. i don't think they are really in the same class. >> based on the polling you have seen. based on the endorsements, the activist support. >> we are looking at different statistical models. all the factors are being taken into account. gillibrand isn't in the post, castro isn't. people aren't searching for them on google and they haven't pulled a lot of endorsements. >> show us the top five. >> one through five.
this one in particular which we are talking about. bernie sanders hais going up. amy klobuchar as well is going up despite negative reports on staff treatment. really the top two are stable with kamala harris and joe biden. i would probably group one through four together and then probably five would be a little bit lower down. >> of course i imagine this would change substantially if joe biden or beto o'rourke got in. >> we would see beto o'rourke or biden go up. 95%, when they happen frequently, i don't know if margin of error. talking about statistical models, i don't know if there is a statistical model that's joe biden specific. joe biden is his own man. we'll see. until he gets in, i'm not saying he's in. >> kamala harris gets a lot of attention, a lot of buzz. why is she your number one in the rankings? >> she's moved up in the polls. good google trends.
activist support, a political scientist has asked activists who they may consider supporting. she's very high up on the lists. >> there's been impressive fund raising hauls for candidates who jumped in. >> let's look at the story of why is bernie sanders up and elizabeth warren down. bernie sanders has just raised a ton of money. my goodness. how much popeye's could i eat if i could raise this much? >> almost as much as you do now. >> i could bring in bo jangles. he raised $5.9 million in the first 24 hours and $10 million in six days. these are self-reports. we'll see what is reported when it happens. look, money is certainly correlated with future success. you need money to run a successful campaign, especially in a field that will have more than a dozen people running in it. to outlast the other candidates. first is elizabeth warren who wants to run a people power campaign.
a lot of small donations. she hasn't reported. if you look at the reports coming in they say to keep expectations down. >> let me ask about google. one of the first signs that kamala harris was going up in the polls was her google search trends on the day she announced. the day she launched her campaign. if you look at the google searches on the day they announced the campaign and compared them, she's number one. bernie sanders, who has run before -- so people aren't looking him up to learn more. they are just really interested in the campaign. he's been really high up at number two. cory booker who we have up in the rankings, but not number one, is also popular. elizabeth warren down at number five. if you are running a people-powered campaign, you want people searching your name to give you money.
>> tell us about new hampshire. >> if there is one state that's pivotal to elizabeth warren and bernie sanders it's new hampshire. they are both from next door. bernie sanders from vermont. elizabeth warren from massachusetts. elizabeth warren was running an average of 14% in the polls. it drops off there. look what happened in february of 2019. biden and sanders are one and two. basically keeping their support. this is something we have seen over and over again. people who know elizabeth warren best whether it's new hampshire or massachusetts, her poll numbers haven't been impressive. she's been running third or fourth to biden and sanders. >> i know you care about the "care" number. do they care about people like you? >> so this is something we wanted to hit on yesterday.
this is more in the general election. this is a key number about why i'm more pessimistic than most about donald trump's re-election bid. if you asked if they care about the problems of the american people, only 41% think donald trump cares. this is predictive of the final result. george h.w. bush had problems but it was a made up story with the supermarket, the whole thing. he was at 40%. look at the rest. they were at 50% or better and the re-election margin, second largest was bush. bill clinton could feel your pain. this helped him during the monica lewinsky scandal and helped him to be re-elected. >> do you have five seconds for daylight saving time? >> yeah. >> quickly. >> i can't speak in five
seconds. daylight saving time is coming up this weekend. we are springing forward. i hate it. we wake up at an early hour. you two especially. most people surprisingly don't say it is a big deal. it doesn't cause a disruption in the schedule. maybe they like the extra daylight. i think they're crazy. this is a more interesting thing. john berman once did a segment on the air. is it daylight saving time or daylight savings time. i thought it was this. it turns out it is actually this. >> that's a shocker. >> the real issue is there are people out there, crazy word fascists who insist on saying it like this where it really doesn't matter. >> wow. i feel your position is loud and clear. thank you, harry. >> i'm staying away. >> next. (woman) what should we do with it first? (man) road trip. (woman) yes. (woman) off-road trip. (couple) [laughter] (couple vo) whoa! (man) how hot is the diablo chili?
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something kids everywhere can do when it snows. >> kids everywhere should learn from new jersey teenagers. never has that been said. >> my kids get paid for it though. "newsroom" starts now. >> very good thursday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm poppy harlow. today is sentencing day for paul manafort, one-time chairman of the trump presidential campaign. long-time lobbyist for foreign governments. he'll learn his fate from tax and bank fraud convictions today. none of those convictions, it is important to note, are related to the trump campaign or the president himself. prosecutors want him locked up for a minimum of 19 years, in part because he broke a cooperation deal by lying. >> this is a big day