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guy in charge. he doesn't want to see all of that fall apart, especially on such a terrible ending that would be so bad for boeing. >> tom, thank you for that report. we appreciate it. and now "inside politics" with john king starts right now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. big revelations about the special counsel's investigation. robert mueller wants a fix is michael cohen's home and office before that raid happened. and welcome to pennsylvania. beto o'rourke fresh from a headline on a visit to ohio. the 2020 democratic contender gets a reality check of sorts at penn state.
>> when are you going to release the number of individual donors and their average donor donation, because i know your campaign has that data. if they didn't, it would mean you would be running a very incompetent campaign, and i don't think you are. you seem to know your stuff, actually. and two, when are we going to get policy from you instead of just nice stories? >> back to 2020 a bit later, but we begin today with new insights into the russian special counsel's investigation and now indications of just how much information robert mueller and his team have. today there were search warrants served michael cohen months before the fbi raid. the warrants revealed or confirmed several key findings. the cohen investigation started with robert mueller.
they searched his g-mail account on july 17, that is months before the cohen raid on his home and office. keira, tell us more. >> reporter: a year and two months into the special counsel's investigation, he has obtained a warrant for michael cohen's g-mail account. when michael cohen was donald trump's attorney, the special counsel was looking at him. these e-mails date back to june of 2016. these are the violations that cohen ultimately pleaded guilty to. we also learned from the warrants that received a referral from mueller in 2017 that they immediately applied for their own warrants, and in those warrants they were searching for historical cell phone data so they could track
cohen's location a month before the payments to karen mcdougal and stormy daniels were made, and for 45 days after the raid, which was april of 2015. they also had registers to see who michael cohen was calling and who was calling him for 45 days after the april raid. so they would be able to capture any phone call data, not the contents of the conversations, but who michael cohen was calling and receiving calls from. we've been reporting in the past few weeks that cohen was in touch with donald trump during that period as well as attorneys for his team. so that's information that the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york has had. now, we also know here that they were looking at him for many of the crimes he pleaded guilty to, the bank fraud, the campaign fraud as well as campaign violations. there are some 20 pages of redacted information here, redacted because the judge found this was still an active ongoing
investigation and this relates to the campaign, john. >> appreciate the reporting there. here with me, cnn's abby phillip, paul cane with the "washington post." you just heard keira. let's talk about where she left off. the search warrants are revealing page after page after page, which means there are still sensitive details that the court is not willing to release right now. let me start with the attorney at the table. we get new information and also new questions when this happens. what's most significant to you? >> most significant to me, i think, is the timeline here. when we see how long ago they began this, and they were looking for e-mails all the way back to 2015, so i think the breadth tells us a lot.
obviously it rebuts the president's usual point that this is a fabricated witch hun.s also what struck me is the information here of inflated and deflated information. >> you're holding up p a la lot redacted pages, and we talked a lot about how the special counsel seems to be nearing the end of his investigation, though we don't know when that will be happening. the southern district of new york has this ongoing investigation, and that's why keira pointed out so much of it is still redacted. i don't think we can rule out the fact that when president trump is no longer president, he may face legal troubles, whenever that is. the southern district of new york is probably going to be a long-running investigation that looks into not only donald trump's involvement in the campaign violations but his
involvement in the trump organization, what's been going on with his charity, and all these other various probes we know are ongoing. >> and we're looking at michael cohen here, anyone involved in the investigation, or somehow they're a witness where they have serious questions about you, they already know this, but now we have the understanding to the depth and extent of mueller's team, and other prosecutors are going back so they can track you when you're moving around. >> one of the topics we've heard in the white house about michael cohen is that this has nothing to do with the president, that it's all related to his own personal financial issues related to taxicab medallions, things like that. but what these documents seem to reveal is that this all actually started with mueller and that that is actually, in fact, related to the president because that's the crux of the mueller investigation, is the 2016
election interference information. so i think the white house is trying to spin this as well as they can, but there is a lot that we don't know and a lot they don't know about what all is in these documents that could really have to do with the president, not just during the campaign and as president, but going back years, and we're talking about the inflating of financial records. these are things that continue to be bubbling under the surface that all these other investigatory bodies might be looking into. and yeah, once president trump is not the president anymore, we don't know where this is all going to go and how much of this could come back and become a real prison for him. >> and how much of this. we don't know how much is there, days, weeks? exhibit a talks about the
foreign information act. this is a meticulous thing that reminds us that as we're waiting for the mueller report, there is so much we don't know about the scope. we know the things that ended up in court through rick gates, roger stone, michael cohen. we don't know. >> if the mueller report is coming out relatively soonish, what is congress going to be able to see? are they going to be allowed to get some of those redacted documents, or are they just closer to being done. >> they are stunned by the amount of information this team already has and this is our first real window into the value
of that information. we're talking about all the phone calls cohen was making, who he was calling, when he was calling these people, who is calling in. that's all the stuff they knew before they ever had to have a conversation with him. it tells you how they pinpoint all who go in lying for him. >> we will -- take us through how hard it is to do this. you can't walk in court and say you want a warrant for somebody's digital file or to track their cell phone. it's hard to do that for anybody. it's hard to do, is it not, for an attorney for privilegeish and whose client includes the president of the united states. >> you'll see a little bit of how much background information the special agent who was putting together the affidavit
supporting this already had, about what their suspicions were. so even though we're only seeing the warrant request, you see all this. cohen no longer has a privilege, but if there's lots and lots of calls going back and forth between him and his lawyers, i continue to think they may have been converted to fact witnesses. >> they have to approve going to the judge and then the judge has to approve it. that person was rod rosenstein who was staying on a lot longer than expected. we thought he was more in there, that somehow rod rosenstein, who they view as exhibit a in the justice department, now
co-helping with the mueller report? do we know? >> that is spoken by someone who knows this area. >> yeah, we wonder why he didn't want stay a little longer. obviously the mueller report, as we know of this morning, has not been handed over to the justice department, to bill barr. that may be at play here. we recordported a couple years that the mueller investigation was done and it would be handed to bill barr. that isn't true now, recall. ly. >> if you're bill barr, you're
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california and massachusetts, right, because we're not the battleground states. well, my view is that every vote matters. that means get rid of the electoral college and everybody. >> cnn's mj joy. how did elizabeth do pitching herself to the south? >> given it's 2019 and elizabeth warren pitched herself to the south yesterday, and as she heads to alabama, thaelts tt's 11th state she's campaigning in this year goes to show she's taking a broad look at the map, not just going to states like iowa, new hampshire and south carolina. and particularly when it comes to the southern swing she's doing this week, tennessee, mississippi and alabama, it is a reminder of how seriously she is taking the winning of minority
support, of black supporters. what's interesting about warren is that from day one, she has talked about the issue of racial inequality and tying all that back to some of the policy proposals that she has. for example, when she's talking about economic inequality, she always points out that the issue of economic inequality is more people and more damaging to minority voters, to black voters. when she talks about housing inequality, she will say it's black people hurt more than anybody else. and yesterday at the town hall and the electoral college, she said this was about disenfranchised voters, and there is a theme here and she's making sure to make an outreach for black supporters and minority supporters, john. >> we'll see if she gets the
results she desires. it is interesting in terms of specifics -- not our job to agree or disagree with what she wants to do -- in terms of specifics, she's way out ahead of other democrats, whether it's her tax plan, her child care plan. if you look at her polling, she hasn't gotten a lot of traction for that, but she's in the south and she feels like this will be a long race. >> i was just in mississippi yesterday with senator warren and she is running the liberals republicans' dream campaign. she is not doing fundraising with big donors. she doesn't even do rope line. she lines up 450 people. she can do it in an aura where she is most comfortable.
we are a long way away from the first round of voting in iowa, but she has been sort of steady in the middle of the polls. her aides think she could have a breakout moment in the debate. she's a strong debater. but i think it's a question whether they want stringent policies or whether it's just a feel. >> i can't help but see a little more corrective in what warren is doing from what bernie sanders did in the last campaign. they're talking about the same issues, but bernie pretty sued y -- studiously avoided tying it in into issues of race. he thought his message was universal and that he didn't need to speak to specific voters in that way. i think what warren is trying to do is say, these things matter, but lumping them into an aggressive area, too. that was a critique of sanders in 2016. it hurt him in states like south
carolina where black voters are such a huge part of the constituency. spanish voters here and there in the northwest. because they're running for some of the same issues, i think -- >> how does a candidate lose in those early states and still be seen as a viable candidate? it's a rarity indeed. so her saying every vote counts, yes, every vote counts. but say that in iowa, say that in new hampshire. ly. >> even if she builds a base. let's listen to abby last
night argue for the people she needs the most. >> we live in a world where the average white family has $100. the average black family has about $5. so i believe it's time to start the national full-blown conversation about reparations in this country. i am the proupd. right now in america, african-american struds more likely to have to borrow money to go to federal lands and put them in the museums where they belong. >> do you think mississippi should adopt a new flag? >> yes. >> it's interesting, we're going to get to other candidates a little later in the show. on the specifics she has answers
for everything. she has thought this through. the question is, do democrats want to fall in love? >> there's parts of last night where she was actually really great at connecting her own life and her own story. at the very end, jake asked bher faith and she immediately started quoting that. if she can do the bible, that will help her in the communities of faith. >> george w. bush and donald trump, our last two republican presidents, won the vote by winning the electoral college.
>> i think you hear about abolishing the electoral college specifically when you hear things like that. but right now we're talking big ideas. it doesn't matter and everyone shied away from putting out. >> and they also used to be on the fringe, but this is one of them it. they signed onto this compact that would have them do the electoral vote rather than the electoral college. there is some movement recorded. >> three-quarters of the states would have to ratify the amendment to get rid of it zchl. >> one of many interesting debates. the president says the
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just moments away from hearing from the president of the united states. he's in the oval office with the president of brazil. we saw the two leaders greeting each other at the top of the hour. they took questions from reporters. we know the president talked about his weekend criticism of the late senator john mccain. several tweets from the
president that made the mccain family most unhappy, raised a lot of questions about the president's taste, especially after the massacre in brazil. he's also talking about his new relationship with the brazilian president. let's go to the white house. >> i'm so excited over his talent and love of football. >> the relationship we have right now with brazil has never been better. i think there was a lot of hostility with other presidents. there is zero hostility with me, and we're going to look at that very, very strongly in terms of whether it's nato or it's something having to do with alliance, but we have a great alliance with brazil, better than we've ever had before.
[ speaking foreign language ] >> the president of brazil is working to offer the united states access to a rocket launch site in brazil. americans will be able to go to brazil with other visas. what would you like the president of brazil to take to brazil as a result of this visit? >> we're working on different military sites and military options. we're working on visas and going in a much easier fashion. all of that is good. and we have many things that brazil would like, and i think we're working on those things. one of the big elements of the relationship is trade. brazil makes great product and we make great product, and our trade has been never as good as it should be in the past.
and in some cases, it should be far, far more, so i think our trade with brazil will go substantially up in both directions and we look forward to that. that's one of the things brazil would like to see. [ speaking foreign language ] >> what do you want to see happen in venezuela? >> i know exactly what i want to
happen in venezuela, but we'll be talking about different things. all options are on the table. it's a shame what's happening in venezuela, the death and the destruction and the hunger. hard to believe one of the wealthiest countries is now one of the poorest and most i am v impoverished countries. we'll talk about that a lot. [ speaking foreign language ] >> are you supporting brazil to
join the cd? >> i am supporting brazil to join, and all options are on the table with respect to venezuela. >> are you involved in any sort of conversation? >> we haven't discussed it. we'll discuss it today. [ translator speaking ] >> i'm very happy that he didn't repeal and replace obamacare, as you know. he campaigned on repealing and replacing obamacare for years and then he got to a vote and he said thumbs down. our country would have saved a trillion dollars and we would
have had great health care. we campaigned. he told us hours before that he was going to repeal and replace, and then for some reason -- i think i understand the reason -- he ended up going thumbs up. had we known that, i think we would have gotten somebody else. i think that's disgraceful. plus there are other things. i was never a fan of john mccain and i never will be. thank you very much, everybody! thank you! thank you very much. >> the president of the united states ending a conversation with the brazilian president and reporters in the oval office with a statement that will, again, open some eyes here in the united states. war hero, the late senator, presidential nominee in 2008 john mccain. the president of the united states now again criticizing john mccain for his vote against obamacare repeal and replace plan, taking some of the content of that vote out of context and saying i have never been a fan
of john mccain. yet again, after several weekend tweets attacking senator mccain, the president could have said, you know what? i'm done. i've said all i'm going to say on the subject. instead, again. >> he's not one to not hold a grudge. just because senator mccain has passed away, it's clear he's going to hold onto this grievance, no matter how inappropriate it is and just kind of random. >> is it his reflex of who he is, or does he see some strategic value? he ran against the republican establishment to become the nominee. he often now, as he gets closer to the re-election campaign, you could say we're early in, he seems again to be the "i'm alone," "it's me against them," "i'm the enemy." yes, maverick mccain wanted to
call himself president. is this strategic trump? >> i think it's strategic trump because there's no doubt strategic trump won the battle. it's not that hard. it's like some shakespearen hold. mccain's death is still rattling around in trump's brain, and he can't get over the fact that mccain still has this hold on him. >> i think we also have to pay attention to what else he said about mccain this weekend. he was tweeting about the steele dossier which he blames mccain for handing over to the fbi. >> again, forgive me for interrupting, another case where the president's facts and context just don't hold. >> exactly. however, in the president's mind, the steele dossier is the crux of this russian investigation witch hunt, so for the president, all his things about john mccain is part
fortunate reason he can't let john mccain go. he can't let the health care vote go, he can't let mccain go without blaming him as to why the russian investigation, in his mind, came into existence, and even going back beyond that. i think this whole vietnam war thing, the fact that mccain was a celebrated veteran, a prisoner of war, a war hero is something that bothers the president. as we all know, president trump did not go to vietnam. he got deferrals on multiple occasions. any time you talk about john mccain in one breath, when you say that, you talk about president trump in the other breath saying that about him as well. i think all of this, it really grates on his nerves and he does not want to let mccain be celebrated when people denigrate him. so he has no care, really, obviously, for the mccain family. it's been less than seven months since john mccain was buried. the president does not care. >> i think overturning these conventions matter.
it's not just don't speak ill of the dead. it's about civilian politics, it's about how the parties work together, it's about the strength of democratic institutions which really does depend on governments and republicans to be able to theoretically make deals with each other and to find compromise. behavior like this, this is why when people talk about democratic nominations it's fears like this that maybe seem like he's flouting politeness and maybe looks rude, but i think this is how democracy runs, in a way. >> and a lot of republicans will tell you that's the reason they got their butts kicked in the suburbs because so many moderate republicans said, no, i can't take this anymore and they voted for a democrat in 2016. his team, though, are hoping new numbers about the economy help him a lot. . his team, though, are hoping new numbers about the economy help
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into office, 45%. now up to 43% now. some diffs, but look at that. essentially static, give or take a little bit, throughout his presidency. here's what gets interesting. in the new poll, we also see a big high number for optimism, people who feel good about the economy. 71% feel good. in january 2018, 72% said they felt good. economy going up. look where the president was. he was going down because of his toxic personal numbers. he could not get his approval number up with the economy. it usually carries the president. here's the difference. the president is going up with the economy. that is a trajectory that team trump hopes carry over as we get closer and closer to the 2020 election year, that as people feel better about the economy, if that keeps up, maybe they'll drag the president up with them. that's how traditional policies normally go. the president makes the case that the economy is great and getting better. >> we have a country that is the envy of the world from an
economic standpoint and from many other standpoints. rarely, certainly, there's been a time like this economically. the world is talking. when presidents and prime ministers and others come to see me, they all say congratulations on this great economy that you've built. and they try to do the same thing and it doesn't work out so well, but that's okay. but they're trying. >> it is just one poll. never invest in just one poll. but you do see this if you look at other data as well. the president's approval rating is sluggish, it's still under water, but just the trajectory of the economy and the presidency going up at the same time. if that hasn't happened politically, why aren't we getting more credit for this? for democrats in 2020, you want to look at this. >> it's a real concern for democrats, because if there is a good economy, the president ought to be doing better as a result of that. but it's also a reflection of the president's age because they
sometimes say he can't get out of his own way. if his approval rating goes down, it's usually because of a crisis of his own making, for example, the government shutdown earlier this year. so every couple of months, we're likely to get the president kind of doing something that causes his approval rating to tank. so i think for his aides, it's frustrating because you never know when that moment is going to strike. 2020 is a long time from now, but all it takes is a really bad moment to happen just before the next election and they're in trouble. >> this is my fascination heading into 2020. the president has bad numbers. we were talking about suburbs during the break. we saw what happened in 2018. but the economy is getting better. look at the electoral map. these states were key to him in 2016 and how they are right now. unemployment in pennsylvania then and now, down, michigan then and now, down. iowa then and now down, florida then and now, down, ohio then and now down, wisconsin then and
now, down. if you look at the economy, if the president can sort of get out from behind the personal cloud and talk about the economy, he's got a prayer. >> several of those states, though, you mentioned 2018, we lost a lot of republicans and the economy was still good. >> pennsylvania, wisconsin, ohio, michigan, all democrats. >> the president's own message can hurt him and override his economy. the economy is not foolproof when what he's pushing is divisive. >> two things can be true at the same time. the president can say, look at national unemployment, look generally, barring one or two days, at the stock market. he's got a good message to sell. democrats will say there are places in america that know. >> i see an economy right now where a lot of people are struggling, a lot of folks are working two and three jobs because they're not paid a living wage. >> it's working great for giant financial institutions and for payday lenders. it's just not working great for
people who are living paycheck to paycheck. >> so many folks in places like delaware, ohio, wisconsin went ripshod by a changing economy and left behind by the draconian policies of this administration. >> you don't think vice president joe biden mentioned those states by accident, do you? this is the intention, the struggle, of 2020. who is right? and where on the map? you can go to places in iowa where the unemployment rate is 2.4%. but a lot of people say their legs are tired from working two jobs. >> this is the message democrats have been trying for three elections now to really break through, and only in 2018 did it do that. in part because they found really unique candidates who had their own really fascinating biographies. they won two seats in iowa. they now control one of the four
house seats in iowa, something they hadn't done in a generation, but partly because they just have control. >> it was the midterms that the president couldn't focus on the economy. he would go out there, go to a state and give a rally where the economy was doing better and talk about everything else, talk about the caravan. there is a fundamental disconnect, as we see over and over again, between what some of the president's aides think wins elections, which is driving out their base with issues like the wall, like immigration, and what others in the republican party think will win elections. so part of this race, this 2020 race, will be, as you point out, resolving that tension. as we go to break here, happy 40th birthday to c-span. here are some familiar faces, to those of us old enough, anyway,
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if you're with us you like politics. two more candidates get the chance to bring the argument directly to you and field questions directly from voters right here on cnn. dana bash hosting john hickenlooper on the town hall tomorrow night and next week cory booker from south carolina, another one of the key voting states. there's no place like home, unless, apparently, you're secretary of state mike pompeo. this rocket today from the kansas city star. it reads, a mike pompeo candidacy?
kansas doesn't need the secretary of state's kind of swagger. kansas sent a message which is this: don't do it. the secretary's full-throated endorsement of president donald trump's erratic approach to government would be reason enough for voters to reject a pompeo candidacy for the u.s. senate or for governor. secretary pompeo has boasted of state department swagger, but c kansans are less interested in be lidge rens than hard-working, humble public servants, those more concerned with the public good than personal ambition. wow. he insists he is not interested in that kansas senate seat on the ballot next year, said he could return to politics later down the road. some see him as president. >> i'm going to be there until he tweets me out of office.
which i'm not counting on, at least today. it has been an enormous privilege to be a part of the trump administration. >> rex tillerson among those not laughing at the "until he tweets me out of office" reference there. that was just a year ago. >> exactly. >> mike pompeo, people who know him say that he is navigating this trump administration with a skill that few people have with dealing with the president and executing his agenda, and it's because he's a shrewd politician. he understands that trump is the future of the republican party and he can't stray too far from that tree. >> he's doing this in a sort of backwards way. usually you run for a seat in the house and then the senate, and then you try to become secretary of state. hillary clinton, john kerry, they went from the senate to secretary of state. i don't know of anyone who has ever gone from secretary of state back to the senate to be a freshman senator.
>> i think that's one of the reasons why he's saying no, because in his head he thinks might be he's bigger than that. >> yeah. i think he could be. sdp >> there will be a point when we're in a post-trump political world. i don't know when that's going to be, but it will come. there is a two-term limit in this office. i think the nikki haleys are hedging their bets. they're covering all the bases for whatever the republican party looks like in the future. >> it's a great point. no one knows when the trump era starts or what it will look like for the republican party. mike pompeo, what will you be doing in five years? >> well, let's see. it's -- as i get older, i get smarter about not answering that question. it is hard to know what i'll be
doing. we'll keep working hard. i hope i'm still finding a place to have an impact and a place to serve as well. i don't know. i'd love to get back to kansas and start a small business again. >> i mean -- that was a very, very painful answer. but you also can't blame him for not saying, i'm going to write a book, or some of the fate that has befelled other former trump cabinet officials. if he does decide to run for senate and he's successful, being a freshman senator when president trump is in office isn't necessarily the same. you could actually be elevated quite high. >> the majority expect him to move on if he doesn't run for a seat in 2020. even though it's ruby red kansas in a presidential year, you have to be careful. democrats have been proven in the past there.
thank you for joining us on "inside politics." brianna keilar starts right now. have a great day. i'm brianna keilar looiive m cnn's washington headquarters. underway right now, white house tweets to big head nationalism. the president reports just a short time from now. we learn about robert mueller's pursuit of the former fixer. 2020 hopefuls backing plans to eliminate the electoral college and more and more states agree. and a republican lawmaker is suing twitter and a person behind a fake cow and a fake mom for mocking him on line. can he even do that, or is this just a stunt? up first, president trump doubling down on his criticism of the late