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>> you are such a big boy and that was a good one. i am so proud of you. wow. you still don't keep your guard up when you punch. >> oh, my goodness i'm such a softie for this kind of thing. he says he knew it was his dad when he heard his nickname because that's what his dad always called him when he was a little boy. >> so we continue, you are watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being here. moments ago a consistent trump supporter in an out of congress delivered on his promise to unleash a quote/unquote, whipping against the president. i'm talking about senator johnny isakson of georgia. he's outraged at the president's criticism of john mccain. the president said he will never be a fan of the war hero and
senator isakson just rebuked the president on public radio. >> it's deplorable what he said. that's what i called it from the floor of the senate seven months ago. it will be deplorable seven months from now if he says it again. and i will continue to speak out because there's one thing that we've got to do, you may not like immigration, you may not like this or you may not like that, you may be a republican or democrat, we're all americans. there aren't democratic casualties and republican casualties on the battlefield, there are american casualties on the battlefield and we should never reduce the service people give to this country for any political fodder. >> i want to start here, gloria borger's with me and michael smerconish is here and host of cnn smerconish on saturday mornings and so, gloria first to you and good on senator isakson for speaking up, using his
powerful voice for something like this. i think of the mitt romney tweet today and mitch mcconnell who mentioned mccain, no mention of president trump. so many republicans specifically have been so silent. >> well, not only silent on mccain but silent on a lot of things that they privately don't like about donald trump. a bunch of them about a dozen of them voted against national emergency declaration in the senate and that, you know -- that was a large number for senate republicans, but on something like this, which is so simple, i think the only explanation is that people are afraid of getting primaried on the right and that donald trump has an over-80% popularity with the republican party. he is the republican party right now and senators don't want to get cross wise, even on an issue like this where you have an
american hero who has passed away and a family who is still mourning his death, it's kind of astonishing to me. >> as part of the fallout, michael, we were showing cindy mccain tweeted just disgusting, nasty disparaging comments that she's been on the receiving end of just showing how low this country has gone over -- over mccain. we could make lists, right, of the ugliness that we cover each and every day and you, you know, hosting your show, you're on the receiving end of so many callers. i'm just wondering why you think -- the nastiness has always been there, right? the hate is not new but it's the sense that people feel so free to speak this way. i'm just wondering why you think that is. >> i think because largely it works. i'm not saying that it works in this instance from the president, but i think that it works politically. we all talk about how we hate negative advertising and yet it never ceases in a campaign.
i agree with gloria in terms of why the republicans are gutless to stand up to the president. take a look at that mitch mcconnell tweet. how weak could it have been? and not only are they afraid to confront him in this circumstance but the only reason they did so relative to the border and the so-called national emergency is because they get to defend their conservative bon fieds by saying we didn't want to set a bad press dent. that was a give me. >> does this come back to bite me? >> i asked myself this, what's the upside for the president? i don't see it. in many prior instances where we've spoken of his politically incorrect speech, when he has said something offensive in the back of my mind i say, for better or worse, there's a constituency that responds to that. for the life of me, maybe gloria knows, where is the constituency
that applauds him taking on a deceased war hero? i don't get it. >> you know, this is donald trump who says he's been great for the veterans and has disparaged john mccain's role in helping veterans in the past and there are veterans out there who feel completely demoralized by what the president is saying and if he thinks that's a key constituency of his and it might be, i don't think this does anything to help them. i think -- help him. this is all about donald trump's inability to let anything go and every story, even john mccain's p.o.w. story, even john mccain's death is about him and why somebody from the senate hasn't said, mr. president, you didn't go to war because you falsely claimed you had bone spurs and john mccain spent five years as a p.o.w. and refused release when they offered it to him.
why aren't they saying that? >> to michael's point, where was that in mcconnell's tweet. the president is also on the attack against another republican, the husband of white house counsel kellyanne conway, george conway has questioned the president's mental stability after trump's 40 plus tweet bink over the weekend. the president not about to let this feud go. this is what he said just a short time ago. >> well, i don't know him. yeah, i don't know him. he's a whack job, there's no question about it, but i really don't know him. i think he's doing a tremendous disservice to a wonderful wife, kellyanne is a wonderful woman and i call him mr. kellyanne, the fact is that he's doing a tremendous disservice to a wife and family. she's a wonderful woman. >> in addition to the president's tweet this morning, trump called george conway a quote/unquote, stone cold loser and husband from hell.
george conway has taken to the cameras but he sent this counter tweet speaking directly to the president saying you period are period nuts period and before this whole back and forth between these two, dana bash actually spoke with kellyanne conway for her series, bad ass women of washington and you can watch that on cnn.com. here's part of what she said about her husband's criticism of the president. >> now we have a president who's actually criticized his own attorney general -- >> watch tv and twitter lately and won of trump's most vicious critics her own husband george striking hard and deep with his latest attack on the president's mental state calling it nar cystic personality disorder. >> i don't share those concerns and i have four kids and i was getting out of the house this morning before i got here and talked to the president about substance so. >> reporter: we spoke before the latest drama but well after her husband started going after her boss which she says she didn't see coming.
>> george was so excited, literally crying with joy in his maga hat, black not red on his maga hat on election night so in that way, he's changed. he's changed his opinion on, i guess, matters on the presidency. i haven't and donald trump hasn't. >> you mean mr. kellyanne conway? >> the day that he was out on the south lawn and he called george, mr. kellyanne conway, struck me. sounded like he was sending a message. >> i thought it was him being donald j. trump. it was clever. it's an unusual situation, especially in politics or washington and certainly in republican politics for a husband to get his notoriety and power through his wife. it's usually the other way around. people say, you should come to harvard and speak side by side and you should do this or that and i think, you know, okay, but then i'd have to give him my power.
>> reporter: the president and top allies restrained before are stepping up their response to george conway on twitter and rallying around her personally as a mother of four children. >> these children, you know, they're 14, 14, 10 and nine. they're old enough to read everything and they're all old enough to have embraced d.c. as home which took a while especially for one of my children. it took a long time -- >> it's a tough age to move. >> let's face it, it is the rare occasion where a family is moving for moms job. >> now there's this, this daryl layer today for this back and forth. kellyanne conway is now responding moments ago politico posted its interview with her. she says of the president, quote, he left alone for months out of respect for me but you think he shouldn't respond when somebody and a nonmedical professional accuses him of having a mental disorder? he should just take that sitting down? gloria and michael back with me.
first of all, i'm so glad in dana's piece she mentions the kids, there are four children who she says are old enough to understand and read all of what's going on. so number one, i'm mindful of them. not my business what's going on behind closed doors in a marriage but what's all of our business is the president of the united states speaking disparagingly about this man and also george conway showing the medical journey and questioning whether the president's nuts, gloria, what is going on? >> well, look, it's hard to know and this thing is obviously escalated and i believe that if i were kellyanne i'd be upset at my husband but if, you know, george conway feels very, very strongly about this and he's giving trump a taste of his own medicine. trump likes to call people names. george conway has done the same and feels strongly about this. i can only imagine the stress this causes in their marriage,
but there was something so interesting to me about what donald trump said. first of all, he thinks that calling george conway mr. kellyanne conway is great, i think it's a little sexist, don't you, brooke? it's like an insult out of the 1950ss. >> exactly. the other thing was he called george conway the husband from hell. well, pot kettle issue here? i mean, would we say that donald trump has been the greatest husband to melania trump knowing what we know about the hush money payments to these women? i rest my case. >> well played gloria borger times two, michael smerconish, what do you think? >> they're not the only couple in america that disagree relative to the president of the united states. let's get that out of the way. >> it's true. >> what separates them is her working in such close proximity. two reactions, one, where do i buy the conway book? because among all the books that
are going to come out about the trump presidency, the one i'm going to buy is theirs. and two, gloria mentions sexism and i keep wondering, what if the genders were reversed, what if you had a wife being so openly critical of the boss of a husband working for a president, i think there would be a cry against her which would be sexist and i'm kind of surprised that it's been a tepid reaction to george stepping out with regard to loyalty to his wife. >> tepid reaction from whom? that's not tepid from the president? >> well, not from the president, no -- >> everyone else? >> i could only imagine the phone calls i would be taking if, in fact, the gender were reversed and it was the wife being critical. i think people would be saying, what's with her, et cetera, et cetera? >> i think that's a good point. i think that's a good point, and i think, you know, maybe there is more outrage now --
>> to be had? >> it's just hard to say. she is a very visible role and the president is out their defending her, so maybe supporters of the president, you know, will defend her, but there are lots of people who may privately agree with what george conway is saying, you know? it's hard to know. >> again, four kids, 14, 14, 10 and 9. let me leave it there. gloria and michael, thank you so much and of course we watch you michael smerconish every saturday morning 9:00 a.m. on cnn. coming up next, president trump simultaneously attacking the mueller report and saying, he doesn't mind if it's made public. details on the clues we have about what the special counsel's team has been up to. live pictures there. he's about to speak in ohio. plus the supreme court justice clarence thomas asking a rare question today involving a case involving racial bias. here what happened. and later, chilling details about what was happening in the final moments before that first crash last fall of a boeing max
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we have no idea what is going to be in this mueller report or when it will be released, let me just point that out. we don't know if there's more indictments in the works but here's what we do know. today, president trump wants you to see it. listen to what he said just a little bit ago. >> does the public have a right to see the mueller report? >> i don't mind. frankly, i told the house if you want let them see it. let it come out. let people see it. that's up to the attorney
general. we have a very good attorney general. he's a very highly respected man and we'll see what happens, but it's sort of interesting that a man out of the blue just writes a report. >> jennifer rogers is a former prosecutor and that's significant to hear that from the president today and i'm wondering if this is a little bit of good cop, bad cop, see, i want the people to see it but oh, by the way, what we've been reporting the last couple of days is that these white house lawyers want to be able to cite executive privilege, they want to get that report from bill barr before it goes out to congress, how do you square that? >> i put this in the bucket of he really wanted to sit down with mueller but the bad lawyers were not letting him do so. it's easy for him to come out and say, i would like the public to see it but white house counsel will have executive privilege issues so that's what we're seeing here. >> which they likely will and that's legal, correct? >> that's right. there's the president and his own personal interests which are being protected by his personal
lawyers like rudy giuliani and there's the white house counsel and their job is not to protect the president per se, it's to protect the presidency, the institution. so when they do things like assert executive privilege because they don't want to set a precedent for later presidents having to turn things over so that's what they're looking at which is why their might be little bit of tension between what the president wants for his own personal purposes and what the white house counsel wants. >> got you. let's talk now about the president's good friend, the new england patriots owner bob kraft. he has been charged as we've been covering that whole story out of florida, two counts of soliciting prostitution. cnn plans has learned he plans to reject the plea deal. >> it's a misdemeanor he's been charged with. it doesn't have anything to do with the sex trafficking going on there. i think he's negotiating really. he has some collateral consequences here that the other men who were swept up in this do not because he has to deal with the nfl.
so they're going to be looking at whether he violated their morality clause essentially and they could punish him as an owner of the football team, right? so if he takes this plea deal which doesn't result in a conviction and certainly wouldn't result in any time or anything, but requires him to agree that if he had gone to trial he would have been convicted, the nfl is done. they know what they need to know. they can go ahead and punish them. he's holding out a little bit, hoping for maybe a resolution that doesn't require him to admit anything and that requires the nfl basically to do their own investigation and maybe allow some wiggle room in those negotiations. >> got it. responsibly more about the nfl as this is a misdemeanor than what's actually happening in florida. >> i think so. >> okay. jennifer rogers, thank you for that. next, new details about the warning signs that came before two boeing max 8 jets crashed in the case of lion air. we're learning an offduty pilot saved that very same plane from crashing one day before it plunk
safety issue on the exact same plane but an offduty pilot was able to disable the malfunctioning system and save the flight. cnn's melissa bell is analyzing new reporting and what the pilots were doing in the moments before their death. >> reporter: this was all that was left of lion air flight 610 which crashed into the java sea last october. debris picked through by the families of some of the 189 people who died on board. at fault according to a preliminary report, an automated safety system on the boeing 737 max 8 triggered by a you faulty reading from a single sensor. reuters reporting that a chalg recording of the cockpit in the last few minutes before the crash shows pilots desperately looking through a handbook to try and figure out how to disable the system that was reportedly forcing the nose of the plane downwards. that same plane, according to fresh reporting from bloomberg
also encountering the very same problem the day before on a flight from bali to jakarta but saved by an extra pilot who happened to be hitching a lift in the cockpit. news made all the more important by the crash on march 10th, of ethiopian airlines flight 302 that killed 156 people, a flight of the same type of boeing and, according to preliminary data from the black boxes, one that followed a similar trajectory to the doomed lion air flight. those black boxes now being looked in to here at the bea on the outskirts of paris. it's former head spoke to cnn about the questions now facing boeing. >> it's a measure taken by boeing after the first accident were not enough to avoid the second accident. >> reporter: but the questions are not only for boeing with the transportation department now probing why the u.s. federal aviation administration authorized certified a system
that was based on the reading of a single sensor with many questions now being asked about how much of that certification process was handed directly to boeing. melissa bell, cnn, paris. >> thank you. let's get analysis now. with me aviation analyst justin green. he's the former president of safety bar association. he's an aviation attorney that represents disaster victims and has sued boeing in the past. so, just listening to melissa's report, your reaction? >> i think what is interesting when we talked about it on the break is that an airplane crash is generally not caused by just one factor and here we talked about the boeing design, the fact that this can be triggered by the failure of a single point failure, a failure of an angle attacked sensor. we talked about the faa's oversight but we also have to look and see what the airline did and specifically lion air after the first incident, so the first incident you were lucky enough to have a third pilot who
apparently identified the problem. they were able to turn off the system. >> who just happened to be ott plane sitting in the jump seat, sort of saves the day. >> right. >> your point is, what did that person or the captain of that plane do to communicate that to the crew the next day? >> that's right. they can't rely on the happenstance that there happens to be a qualified third pilot who has no duties who can actually look over on a holistic way and identify the problem. the key is, lion air after something like that, an airline with a robust safety culture on the maintenance side should have fixed the problem, made sure that the angle of attack sensor was operating correctly and wouldn't fail in the next flight and also from the piloting point and this is more important, the pilots who got on the next day should have been briefed exactly what happened on the day before and how they fixed it. from what we're hearing from the cockpit voice recorder, those pilots don't seem to have that
information and it's going to be important to see what lion air did after the first incident. >> i got it. it would be presumed that some sort of report would have been filed and information should have been passed along to the crew for the next day. what about just also the detail coming out about these pilots as a pilot hearing that they're feverishly trying to look through these man walz in those final moments, that that's what's overheard on the black box. it's chilling. >> anyone that knows anything about aviation knows we operate on checklists. there are certain things that the pilots have to memorize. their quick action items. you memorize them. i learned to juggle so i could memorize them while i'm juggling. >> no kidding. >> the other couples you are supposed to pull out a quick reference guide and go through the checklists, even if you've done the quick action items, you still pull out the checklist to go through. what i'm hearing, what would be unusual and would be wrong if is
these pilot haves no idea about what might be happening are kind of studying through the guide to find out a clue of how to fix the problem. so that -- the big issue is going to be what boeing gave pilots -- what information boeing gave pilots about the system, what information or training the pilots had, if any, and i don't think they had any about how to react to this problem and i think that -- if we find from the cockpit voice recorders of three different flights that will be examined that pilots really didn't know how to respond and we -- >> it would have been so out of left field that this isn't something they have in their memory banks. >> if they're pulling -- if engine failure you do the quick action items, you pull out the checklist, that's fine but if you have no idea that's going on, that's a problem. >> justin green, you are excellent. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up next, iowa congressman steve king already under fire for his racist comments. he's tried to explain how a meme depicting a modern day civil war ended up on his facebook page.
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obamacare despite rebukes from some republican lawmakers. mccain's own family showing their disgust with the president's attack. the president quadrupling down in lima, ohio. >> a lot of people are asking because they love me and they ask me about a man named john mccain and if you want me to tell you about it, should i or not? yes? so i have to be honest, i've never liked him much, hasn't been for me. i've really probably never will but there are certain reasons for it and i'll tell you and i do this to save a little time with the press later on, john mccain received the fake and phony dossier, did you hear about the dossier? it was paid for by crooked hillary clinton, right? and john mccain got it, he got it and what did he do?
he didn't call me. he turned it over to the fbi hoping to put me in jeopardy, and that's not the nicest thing to do. when those people say -- because i'm a very loyal person. john mccain campaigned for years to repeal and replace obamacare, for years in arizona, great state. i love the people of arizona, but he campaigned for years for repeal and replace, so did rob, so did a lot of senators. when he finally had the chance to do it, he voted against repeal and replace. he voted against at 2:00 in the morning, remember thumbs down. we said what the hell happened. >> i endorsed him at his request and i gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted, which as president i had to approve. i don't care about this, i didn't get thank you, that's okay. we sent him on the way but i wasn't a fan of john mccain, so now what we could say is now, we're all set.
i don't think i have to answer that question, but the press keeps -- what do you think of mccain? not my kind of guy, but some people like him and i think that's great. >> i gave him the funeral he wanted and i didn't get a thank you. this is coming from the president of the united states again disparaging the late senator john mccain. it's disgraceful. barbara starr is at the pentagon and barbara, it's sad at this point. >> reporter: brooke, i think there's actually a couple of things to sort out here. so it's very clear that president trump views the late senator as his political adversary, if not his political enemy. set the politics aside, the president's entitled to have named anybody as his political enemy if that's what he thinks in his own head, but there is something much more deep going on here, the president saying that veterans are on his side,
disparaging the late senator as a war hero. this is politicizing the u.s. military and you might ask yourself today, why has the u.s. military been so quiet? why are they letting senator mccain's war record, why are they unanswering the president's attacks on his war record, why are they letting the president in public say the veterans are with him and his decisions? there is no indication, no reasonable indication that america's veterans are anything but american citizens who vote their conscious across the political spectrum. america's veterans are the same as america. they are politically diverse. they have opinions. they have views. they go to the ballot box and they vote as they privately see fit. there is no monolithic veterans community that i know of that supports any one candidate, but what i do know is that the
military commanders are supposed to be apolitical and i find myself questioning the silence of the last couple of days as the record of senator mccain is nothing but politicized by the president, so why are they quiet? are they afraid of the president? are they afraid of upsetting him if they speak out? it is worth remembering the former secretary of defense chuck hagel, a combat veteran of vietnam, chuck hagel did hard time in vietnam. former secretary of state john kerry, a political lightning rod, but as a vietnam veteran, the secretary kerry, he did hard time in vietnam. these are men who served when the president chose not to serve, so, you know, there is a real question here about the silence from the u.s. military on how much president trump is
politicizing the ranks, how much he's using them to further his own political agenda and why commanders are being so silent about this. you got to rip the band-aid off sometime and ask the question, why the silence? i don't think there's a good answer to that today, brooke. >> thank you for saying that, barbara starr. thank you. supreme court justice clarence thomas asking a rare question today in a case regarding racial bias. and as beto o'rourke announces new details on his first day of fund-raising, one democrat is asking him to step back, why she says maybe they shouldn't run? ♪
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in all this talk about the 2020 race for the white house, new daily beast opinion column today caught my eye first thing this morning. to the right men running to the presidential candidate, can you not? alexa degreenel penned this piece sending a message to bernie sanders, beto o'rourke and joe biden. her message is it's time to step back. i voted for bernie sanders and defended him against charges of sexism now i can't stand the sight of his name in my inbox proclaiming not me, us, if i'll just chip in $3. alexa is with me now. you were on fire on this piece and i said i need to talk to this girl today. thank you so much. the way you start the whole thing talking about sanders announcing his campaign on the same day elizabeth warren released her plan for subsidized
child care, that's when you were like, can you not? >> it epitomized the whole problem. literally we have this woman who is a mother of two releasing the most expansive plan for subsidized child care in america with some personal experience to inform it and the same day this guy does a cannon ball into the news cycle and gets everybody else wet and it's all we can talk about and think about when there's actually something substantive that's meaningful and important to pay attention to and that's the bigger problem with all these guys. >> in all she calls them the b boys. you also get into beto who, you know, there are all kinds of discussions. he did recently recognize and almost apologize for his privilege. >> he did when it was referenced totally. >> he did also say he would make
sure it was full of -- isn't that a point? >> we have four women running for the presidency now. it is second banana to be offered in an administration or as vice president when in fact we have really the most qualified field of candidates ever who happen to be women. >> you're saying you roll your eyes at that. >>. >> already was the first female nominee 35 years ago. we have been there done that. >> number two are you saying these white men shouldn't be running? i'm all for a woman, right? shouldn't it be the most qualified best candidate wins if. >> absolutely. the problem is though these men have a clear rational. it is that a woman can't beat
trump it is unspoken. it's unsaid. already they have raised millions of dollars more than the female candidates. had this uphill battle. we know this from just i mean reams of data and research. we already just went through it. the fact that these three guys think that -- >> by the way he hasn't even declared yet. >> it is like hamlin over here. >> you're over it. >> i'm over it. i'm over it all. >> what they could be doing is putting their resources behind these women with bernie for instance. i think it made really important moves in 2016. i don't understand why he was running now could really benefit from support, his money, his movements. he is not getting behind her. it wasn't reminiscent which is
why i was so proud to vote for him too. >> can you not -- i have a feeling, we have to hit a commercial break. thank you. come back. still ahead here, democrats demanding documents, the white house we fusing and we could be at the beginning of a subpoena showdown. we are back in a moment. for your heart... your joints... or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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it is justice clearance that is the moe. that is because he asked a question which is arguments. what did he ask? >> what he very rare ri asked questions. i think the last time was three years ago. this was a super compelling case. flowers was tried six times for murder. he wants the supreme court to overturn the prosecutor. he said the aim prosecutor was illegally striking perspective jurors. the numbers were pretty alarming. at one point in the first two trials all ten perspective black jurors were struck and there were many more questions asked of the black jurors.
just a few years ago the entire court in a very similar case ruled in favor of a georgia inmate. he decented in that case and he said he didn't think the supreme court should question the judgment and these kind of issue of the trial court. it was an interesting moment today brook and a very compelling case. >> hearing him speak up and ask that question about white jurors we'll see where the case goes.
john hickenlooper moderating from cnn center tonight at 10:00 eastern. thanks for being with me. the lead with jake tapper starts right now. >> president trump suggesting he didn't get enough credit for allowing john mccain's funeral. the lead starts right now. president trump continuing to smear a dead war hero, the latest in the most heinous attack moments ago. the president also saying today he is not nervous about the special counsel's report it is latest rants and raves and personal attacks. do they tell us otherwise? brand new numbers about