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i'm ana cabrera in new york. mueller's report is complete, it's been handed in, and that's where nearly everything we know about it ends. it's in the hands right now of william barr, he promises to reveal to congress what he concludes from it possibly this weekend, but so far nothing yet. democrats who were banking hard on the report nailing president trump on cut and dried collusion did not get their wish. prominent republicans including the president are doing something slightly out of character today. they're not saying anything. the president is playing golf in florida, leaving his twitter feed alone. the official word from his communications office. whatever we said yesterday still stands and that wasn't much. we have every detail covered. evan, we're told nothing out of
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william bar's office maybe today and tomorrow, he wants to get his principle conclusions to capitol hill this weekend. why is it important that his findings get out there as soon as sunday? >> he wants to make sure that now that the report is in his hands he gets as quickly as possible to members of congress. everyone wants to know what's in this report. and i think he knows the longer it takes to get there, the more questions, the more pressure that comes from the other side of pennsylvania avenue, from capitol hill and especially democrats who want to see everything. look, the other issue here is the longer this is in the hands of -- even though it's a very limited number of people inside the justice department know what's in this report. there's a chance that some pieces of it could end up making, and i think bill bar wants to make sure he's the one
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that tells the story here, this is going to be bill bar's report essentially, this is going to be something disuntilled from what robert mueller found in his investigation in 22 months. you can bet no matter what he says, democrats are not going to be satisfied. they want to see everything. >> you have sources close to the president. >> he's not saying anything, he looks casual enough what are you hearing about his frame of mind right now? >> yeah, you know, the president is uncharacteristically quiet. this is someone who tweeted more than 170 times that the mueller probe was a witch hunt. ever since that was delivered from mueller to the attorney general, he's basically had this muted response. there's a wait and see approach. as this one source put it, there's plenty of time to spike the football.
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while he's in florida, surrounded by white house lawyers, there's a sense of caution, let's wait and see what's in this report, they don't know what's in the report. the white house has not been informed about what's in it. i think what they're trying to do is wait. as one person told me, there is not a sense of paranoia it's sort of a relaxed feeling right now, there's a feeling of vindication, but also some anxiousness. they don't know what's in it. >> once we get those principle conclusion conclusions. >> that's certainly the expectation, once congress gets it, the public will know, we will know, we am be able to report. i'm highly optimistic in all
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this. i think we're going to see a lot more than we expect. like evan said, we're going to see a disuntilled version of the mueller report, the key thing is, what is the principle conclusions that have been reached and how far does the attorney general go into it, how much does he explain about the principle conclusions, those are his words in his letter that he said he's going to deliver to members of congress. that's going to be the key here, does this vindicate the president, do they use those kinds of words where they use this investigation, but found no collusion that involved the president. that's going to be key in all of this. >> we know no new indictments are coming now that the report has been completed. at least not from mueller's office, pamela brown, shimon perez, evan perez, thank you. >> house democrats held an
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emergency conference call this afternoon on the mueller developments, congressman john garamandi told me that the public must have access to the full report. >> the next move is demand transparency, demand that all of the information be forthcoming. it is the american public that is demanding transparency, it's not just the democrats in congress or the committee chairm chairman. it's the american public. would subpoenas be necessary? we would hope not. we would hope the justice department would make all the information available. >> what have you learned about what was said on that conference call today? >> democrats are going to push hard for full transparency. all the evidence that underlies
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the conclusions reached by robert mueller about who to prosecute, who not to prosecute. and make very clear in talking point points that they would stop at nothing if they had to to get the possibility to question key people here. if necessary, democrats will be prepared to use the subpoena authority as well as to obtain briefing and testimony from the special counsel. i'm told on this call, nancy pelosi kicked things off. how they're in a fact finding mission right now, she sent it over to the house committee chairman who believe why it's
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necessary to get the whole report. how they plan to pursue this going-forward, they accept the public opinion is on their side and precedent is on their side as well. the clinton investigation, that's one example of why they should do that here. when will the principle conclusions be sent to the hill. it could be tomorrow, could be monday. but still a lot of expectations could be hear tomorrow. >> if it's not enough. what recourse do they have? what will the white house be willing to fight that they do want to have briefings in public they want to be able to hear
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their testimony. what he found over the course of his 675 day investigation. but the democrats are laying the ground to user's subpoena power, to go all out for this information, but again, all this will be moved. perhaps bill bar will give them what they want. for the moment, they don't think barr's going to come anywhere near and meet their full demands. >> joining us now s.e. cupp and van jones. van, i'll start with you, as we wait for these principle conclusions, we do know, no new indictments from mueller's team. is that a win for the president? >> yes, there's no way around it. >> democrats and progressives like myself have spent two years saying, wait until this mueller report comes out. this is going to be something. this dude's in trouble.
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this dude's going to be in prison, in guantanamo. when it comes out and doesn't meet that sort of expectation there is a sense that the expectations were set so high, it's going to be hard to say the president is going to go down when no one around him is being indicted on the question of collusion. that's where we are now, have you to say it, the president probably is feeling better than democrats. >> he isn't saying anything, we don't know what he's thinking, he didn't put it on bitter. a trump campaign adviser did tell us this is it premature to celebrate? >> no. to van's points the expectations were high. for two years, trump supporters
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and trump himself dismissed this and smeared it as a witch hunt and a hoax, and opponents salivated over it, like it was a zach gruder film, it was going to lead to a second shooter down the road. i'm not really concerned about trump opponents and trump supporters and where they shake out my concern is, the people who have been nominally following this, i worry they're going to this this was a colossal waste of time and resources. it's easy to see that as the case. i don't think that's the right reading of it, i think a lot of people are going to walk away with that feeling, and that's something that's hugely advantageous to donald trump for 2020 and for republicans who are supporting him. >> let's talk about 2020. i talked to a number of
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democrats and republicans. let's wait for that report, and we'll see whether impeachment is the way to go nancy pelosi has said no impeachment. van, what do you think the 2020 candidates should do with this? should they stay clear talking about the mueller report? >> you have two very different sets of democrats have you to appeal to. have you to appeal to the activist base that's fired up they're going to want to hear those candidates saying, we want trump not to get away with thisp. you have the actual party. as you see people going out there. no one is asking about bob mueller, russia. they're asking about jobs, infrastructure. a medical care and health care. and so how the candidate -- each candidate has to find out where they put their meter.
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i think others are going to go a different way. and because we have so many can dit dates, there's room for a variety of approaches. >> for those republicans that have kept a little reservation to go all in. >> we'll see what it says. you know, i would urge caution on both sides. >> we don't know what's in there yet. >> even when we find out. i would urge, everyone take a breath. i saw senator blumenthal on tv last night saying, he still thinks members of the trump family are going to be indicted. i guess because he wants them to be. why speculate and tip your hand that this is where you hope it will go?
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i saw joy reid saying, already accusing bill bar of a cover-up. i don't think that's necessary. i don't think it's a good idea for either side wipe their hands and say it's over. it's not over. it's probably not going to be as good or bad as either side is suggesting it will be. >> i think the reason progressives are still worked up, is because we don't understand why trump acts so weird when it comes to russia. we don't understand why he acts so weird when it comes to putin. people are caught lying. i think there is no coherent explanation for trump's singular obsession with putin. throwing out his own advisers, doing all this bizarre stuff, and we know that trump did court and welcome russia's support
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publicly. >> all that stuff is why we're in therapy about the whole thing. >> therapy is okay. >> you've been critical of president trump. if this report does exonerate him. are you going to become the trump supporter. >> of course not. my criticism of trump has something to do with the way he's handled allegations of russian collusion but so much bigger than that. the way he treats democracy and democratic institutions, the way he lies, none of that will change for me, but i also call balls and strikes, i think it's important to do that. if it turns out there's been no collusion, we need to say that, and stop willing the ball
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forwards to a place that he's not going to go. i think that only helps him. >> in line with that, the reason that we were so upset with the clinton investigation was, the report was too big, it was just salacious and it was terrible. >> you're talking about the bill -- >> ken starr investigation of bill clinton that was just too salacious and too much stuff. congress changed the rules, now we're saying, we don't want it to be narrow, we want all the things. >> we keep going back and forth based on the political outcome we want. i want a full report, but i don't want innocent people hurt. i don't want people who testified to wind up for no reason at all in bad shape. let's say we don't want to go flippy floppy. sometimes i get lost in all this
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back and forth. >> good to have you with us. thank you, as always, inside trump's evening for the agents. what was the president doing the moment he learned mueller finished his report? new details on that next. a race against the clock, to get some 1300 people stranded on a cruise ship. we'll discuss live in the cnn newsroom. some new friends. his parents shared videos of highlights, dance moves, and jimmy carlyle stealing third... almost. they sent seven texts when a new friend invited nick for a play date. but in the end, they put their phones down, and watched as nick finally felt part of the team. not this john smith.
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we continue to follow our breaking news. after a two-year wait, robert mueller's investigation is complete. mueller's investigation into possible corruption by russia. everyone on edge now waiting to see what's in that final report. the democratic candidates
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running for president in 2020 are paying extra special attention. senator cory booker is in south carolina right now. these are live pictures of cory booker. that's where we find our cnn political reporter, rebecca buck. is as we await the mueller report, the principal conclusion that attorney general bill brar is set to deliver to congress, candidates for the presidential nomination in 2020 are already beginning to weigh-in on what might be in p the report and some of the key things that they will be looking for democrats running for president want this report to be public. do voters want this report to be made public? 87% in our most recent polling said they do. that's a relatively easy question for these candidates. what comes after that? well, kamala harris is saying, she wants bill barr to testify
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before congress about the investigation and the findings, her colleague on the judiciary committee was in south carolina today and on the campaign trail, we asked him what he'll be looking for in the report, take a listen. >> i'm going to be looking to see if the president was involved in illegal activity. if he was involved in obstructing justice, really including with the russians. and so i think there's going to be a lot of things in this, that are going to be helpful. there's other investigations going on like in the southern district of new york. >> while booker will not draw any conclusions yet about the question. some other candidates are leaning in. beto o'rourke on the campaign trail saying he believes russia and the president did included, he's not sure how deliberate that might have been or whether the president was ham handed about it as he said, we'll wait and see if other candidates lean
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in to that question. we're awaiting those details from bill barr and we'll see what happens when those details come. >> next wednesday, cnn will host a presidential town hall with 2020 candidate, cory booker, don lemon moderates live from orangeburg, south carolina. now a glimpse of the history captured in today's mueller headlines. in newspapers all across the country, the front pages blared this news from the colorado rockies to hawaii beaches, mueller delivered his report. mueller brought no new charges, the albany new york times union focused on the questions that remain unanswered. these are a few of today's front pages. you're live in the cnn newsroom.
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the president is back at mar-a-lago after spending the day golfing at one of his clubs. there is still no word from president trump on the news that mueller's investigation has concluded with new indictments. the president is spending the weekend, give us the play by play of what we know happened when we learned mueller's report was complete. he was on a call with angela
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merkel, the german chancellor discussing brexit and trade and other issues when the news broke that robert mueller finished his report. at that point emmett flood one of the president's attorneys got a call, notifying him of the news, according to sources both at the white house and guests at mar-a-lago, the president was in a spirited mood when he was being briefed on these developments throughout the night, coming from the department of justice, according to sources there, the president appeared to be in a good mood all night as he took part in the lincoln day dinner, fund-raising event held by supporters at mar-a-lago. the president gave a short speech at one point. he talked about the first lady's approval ratings. he made jokes about senator lindsey graham, who was a guest of honor and gave the speech. he didn't talk about the mueller report. lindsey graham, though, apparently talked about the fbi launching a probe to investigate the dossier that president
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trump -- the steele dossier president trump so frequently mentions when he talks about the russia investigation. the president did not partake in the chants, lock her up, lock her up, he sat back and absorbed the moment. he golfed at his golf club here in palm beach. what we're hearing from sources, he's happy to see the investigation come to a conclusion, and now he's taking a wait and see approach before he weighs in on what attorney general barr releases from the mueller report. ana. >> patience, patience for all of us. let's put this in a historic frame. i know, right? let's talk about how people are going to look back at this moment on the american time line. with us, a presidential historian, the author of the last republicans inside the extraordinary relationship between george h.w. bush and george w. bush. today it's all about president trump and his administration,
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let's talk about how big a watershed moment this is. will the administration be referred to as before mueller and after mueller? >> maybe, it depends what's in that report. we don't know what's in there. what we do know is, there are no further indictments coming out of the mueller report, i think that's a pretty significant win for the president. what we don't know again is what the content of the report is whether it's potentially embarrassing. there's a lot left to be seen here. >> if history is our guide. ken starr's 1998 report ran more than 400 pages that included potential legal grounds for impeachment there's the watergate report. without any specific legal
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recommendations, that being said how worried should the president be right now as we all await the conclusion. >> i think he should be concerned. and you're seeing restraint uncharacteristically from the president right now, he's wondering what's in that report what watergate shows and a lesson from richard nixon, he needs to be transparent, he needs to let the system take course, he needs to see this to see this in the right way, and transparency is key from president trump from this point on. that was president nixon's undoing, and lead to his resignation. and probably would have led to his impeachment and expulsion to his presidency. >> i wonder how you compare how president trump has handled the special counsel probe versus how nixon handled watergate?
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>> somewhat similarly, ana, because he -- at every turn, he called it a witch hunt, discredited the special investigators, he has gotten in the way of the process he hasn't been forthcoming. these are friends from nixon, donald trump should heed the lessons of history. >> if nixon gives any exam, that's it. that could end up in the courts, right? nixon went down the road with the tapes, do you think nixon's case will be the guide with the courts? >> it could go to the courts, as you said, nixon's did, and the court supported the release of the tapes, which proved to be nixon's undoing. the tyapes revealed that nixon was directly involved in the cover-up of the watergate burglary.
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it was a different court then, we have a court that's increasingly conservative. they've been increasingly political in recent years, we don't know what will happen if it does reach the court. that makes it interesting for a historian like me as it plays out. >> thank you, mark, for being with us. >> thank you. >> after being caught up in a sex sting, robert kraft, the owner of the new england patriots is now sounding off. why the billionaire is saying sorry. you're live in the cnn newsroom. >> i don't care what the story is many. >> richard m. nixon has lied repeatedly. no reporter from the washington post is to ever be in the white house again. do you understand? >> the tougher it gets, the cooler i get. i have what it takes. >> i want to say this to the television audience, people have got to know whether or not their
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president's a crook. well, i'm not a crook. >> let others wallow in watergate, we're going to do our job. >> i'm going to kick their ass. >> nobody's going to package me. nobody's going to make me put on an act for television. i'm not going to engage in any gimmicks or stunts or wear silly hats. if people looking at me say, that's a new nixon, all i can say is, well, maybe you didn't know the old nixon.
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mueller may have followed the longstanding protocol that prohibit the the justice department from indicting a sitting president. 199 criminal counts overall. i want to bring in two former federal prosecutors. thank you both for being with us. how much of the mueller report do you expect we'll see? >> i think ultimately we'll see a lot of it, but i think in the short term it's going to come out very painstakingly with a lot of legal fights every step of the way. i'm not hopeful we're going to see a big chunk of it any time soon. >> how do you think we'll see a lot of it eventually? >> ultimately there may be leaking that's going to go on. i think the sheer will power of so many people trying to get at it, eventually more will come out. i think that's going to take quite some time. there have to be quite a few legal battles fought over it. >> some democrats are saying they want to hear from barr and
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mueller themselves. they'll subpoena mueller if they have to. will that fly at the doj? >> i don't think the doj is going to like that, but that's the fact that elections matter. you have the democrats controlling the house of representatives, they can subpoena folks, i suspect they're going to do so. you just mentioned the legal analysis, that's one track of this, obviously, on the political side, there's a whole other track. and there's a lot of bipartisan pressure there. >> special counsel say they have no more indictments. is this anything but good news for the president? >> well, i think it is good news for the president that the special counsel has no more indictments, there may be additional bad news. to me that only means that mueller's people were not going to go any more indictments. it does not preclude the possibility of other handoff
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jurisdictions, like the southern district of new york or even my old home office, the washington, d.c., u.s. attorney's office handing down further indictments. >> what do you think about that? >> yeah, i think that's right, i think if i represented kushner or donald trump jr., i would be feeling better about the fact that on the core issues that mueller was investigating, they wouldn't receive an indictment. the southern district is still out there, the other issue is, what does the report say about trump himself, we don't know that at this point. as you mentioned earlier, that is not answered by the fact that an indictment or not indictment. >> trump was never interviewed by mueller's team. how significant is that? >> it is. i will tell you, to me, if i was in a room with bob mueller, it would be one of the first questions i would ask him. i don't understand why trump wasn't interviewed or donald trump jr. as to trump, i suspect that the -- unless trump's attorney said he was going to take the
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fifth. i think what p must have happened is mueller decided it wasn't worth the trouble, it was going to be a multimonth if not the multiyear struggle. >> jared kushner as renata just mentioned, they were not interviewed even about the trump tower meeting. which seemed central to the potential of collusion. why wouldn't mueller have interviewed them? >> it's a little bit of a mystery, usually you save people who are really the targets for last -- you may not interview. just indict them. that's one possibility. as maybe they are looking like that. the other possibility is that the evidence that mueller did see essentially exonerated him. they found that the substance of the trump tower meeting, did not really go to their core mission, that's why they did not need to be attributed. it's hard to read those tea leaves at the moment. i agree, i would love to ask more on that question. i think congress wants to ask
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them that question as well. there's going to be a big fight over whether you can ask that question. >> because there are so many questions we don't have answers to just yet. one thing, i'm trying to stick within this realm of what we do know. and we know there's no new indictments coming from mueller's team, he wanted to talk to a couple of men who were linked to roger stone. but both andrew miller and jerome corsi fought back. turning down a mueller plea deal. how did these two men get away with just defying the special counsel. >> that's another great question, anna. i will say that there's a couple possibilities here, either the old office in the district of columbia is going to be pursuing charges down the road or potentially mueller decided that either there was a change in circumstances or after the investigation proceeded, mr. korscy was not worth the resources to prosecute.
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i have to say, typically a prosecutor would not threaten to prosecute anyone unless they were sure they were going to do so. i really don't know, and can't answer why that is not happening. >> jen, you want to take a crack at that. >> i would say, if if i was representing mr. corsi, i would not be breathing any easier at the moment. then just decide to back off. that's not the kind of style that mueller's people have. >> thank you both. good to have you both with us. breaking news, a cruise ship stranded at sea off the norwegian coast, one by one now, hundreds of passengers are being airlifted to safety. we'll have much more on the terrifying rescue just ahead. try new vicks vapocool drops. it's not candy. it's powerful relief. ♪ ahhhhhhhhhhhh vaporize sore throat pain
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welcome back. a tedious rescue is likely to go on throughout the night off the coast of norway, where this passengers ship lost power in rough weather earlier today. you can see the video right now taken from inside the "viking sky." as it starts to tilt back and forth the crew members and passengers are being rescued by helicopter. at last check, 115 people rob evacuated. the conditions are cold and rainy in choppy seas. you can see water coming on board the ship. officials say at least a handful of people have suffered minor injuries. the emergency services say the crew send a mayday. crew members are trying to
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restore power to get the ship back into port. robert kraft is apologizing today, the first time we've heard from him since he was charged with soliciting prostitution. he in part said -- i truly am sorry. i know i have disappointed my family, my co-workers and our fans. according to a source, kraft will not accept a plea deal, however, for the charges he's facing. his lawyers are currently fighting to block released of reported video of this incident. a celebration today. coalition forces held a formal ceremony now marking the complete defeat of isis in eastern syria. a white house statement saying the president was saying today, i am pleased to announce that together with our partners in our global collision to defeat isis, including the iraqi
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>> by the simple act of completing his investigation, robert mueller has unleashed a torrent of speculation and anxiety in washington, d.c., because now he has provided a confidential report from that investigation to the attorney general william barr. what happens now? first of all, barr is reading the report. that's what he's doing at this time. and he's also then going to inform the house and senate judiciary committees that the report is finished and explain to them any instances where he might have overruled mueller. he said you can't subpoena this person, you can't charge this person, you can't do this, if there are any such instances. by law, he has to let them know about that. and then it get a little murkier. over in congress, democrats are saying that the president is the subject of this probe, his campaign. therefore you cannot let him step in and head off this information. you need to give us the entire
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report and you have to let the public see the entire report. that's what they want over there. the white house, on the other hand, though, is saying, no, the protocol is the white house gets to review it. white house lawyers get to see what's inside the report and maybe exert executive privilege, which is the president's legal right to say certain things should not be released to public view. how this will be sorted out between these bodies, probably a lot of politicians and lawyers arguing. in the end, though, in all likelihood there would be some version of the report shared with congress and the public. so you see, it's clear right now, it gets murkier, and we have no idea how long this process might take. we do know what preceded it, though, 22 months of investigation, charges against 37 defendants, seven guilty pleas, one conviction at trial, though notably for the white house, none of these directly
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about the idea of colluding with the russians, which is, of course, the thing the president is most defensive about. to tom foreman. special coverage begins right now in "the situation room" with wolf blitzer. i'll see you back here in a couple hours. happening now, breaking news, mueller's conclusions. tonight all eyes in washington are on the justice department, awaiting the findings of special counsel robert mueller's probe into russia's tack on the 2016 presidentian election. we'll have new details when congress and the public will learn whether the investigation found conclusion between the trump campaign and vladimir putin's government. barr crawl. attorney general bill barr has spent his entire saturday over tess justice department, working behind closed doors to review the investigative

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