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>> if we had confidence that the president really did not commit a crime we would have said so. >> the democrats want to continue down this road. it doesn't hurt donald trump because he's free and clear. >> clearly the white house and the attorney general have misstated the facts. >> all options are on the table. >> there was no collusion. there was no obstruction. this is pure, raw politics. >> looked like a movie. >> more severe weather after two straight weeks of damaging storms. >> sounded like a freight train. i just feel my house coming apart. >> this is a flood of historic magnitude. that should be enough to get everybody's attention. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." it feels like a "new day" in some ways in washington because of everything that happened yesterday. >> it's a new version of the mueller report. it feels like that. >> will special counsel robert mueller's decision to go public
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yesterday force nancy pelosi's hand on impeachment? there are new a growing number of democrats calling for impeachment. mueller broke more than two years of silence on the russia investigation saying his report did not clear president trump of any wrongdoing or crimes, but charging him was never an option because of the justice department guidelines. it is congress's job to hold the president accountable now for any wrongdoing. what will congress do today? mueller hopes to avoid testi testifying. he says the report is his testimony. >> his statement is full of findings. barr said it was up to him to determine whether there was wrongdoing. robert mueller said no and leaves it up to congress. how would the attorney general respond? we are expecting to see president trump shortly. he'll depart the white house in
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minutes. will he take questions? he didn't say anything out loud about it yesterday. this morning is his first chance. let's bring in david gregory, abby phillips, and jeffrey toobin, cnn chief legal analyst. today we have heard robert mueller say it out loud. that's new. hearing something is always different than reading something. what's also new is that robert mueller said congress said here it is, take it. it's different from what william barr said. >> he did. the magnitude of the president's misconduct comes through differently when you hear it directly from mueller himself, especially since we haven't heard his voice in two years. i would caution, however, that there are -- what did we say? 38 democrats that called for impeachment hearings. do you know what that means? 85% of democrats in the house haven't called for the hearings. the idea that there is a tidal
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wave of support for impeachment hearings in the house of representatives is not true. that's why i think nancy pelosi's position won't change. >> david gregory, what do you think changed yesterday if anything? >> there was something powerful. i agree with what was said. something powerful about to me mueller saying two things. every american ought to pay attention to the fact that russia tried to interfere, did interfere in our presidential election and tried to hurt one of our candidates, namely hillary clinton. and saying it is his view he can't clear the president of trying to obstruct an investigation to get to the bottom of that interference. that's incredibly powerful. to hear it from mueller himself has added weight. i don't think the ground has fundamentally shifted. i agree with jeffrey. i think you have a democratic leader in the house who is resisting her caucus because she feels on the eve of an election
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it is going to hurt the party to swing and miss on the question of impeachment. there are certainly questions to ask. i'm not sure i agree with joe lock hart that ultimately the special counsel robert mueller would be compelled to testify. but i think this will add new fuel to it being part of the campaign. remember in 2000 george w. bush closed every stump speech by saying i'm going to put my hand on the bible and restore honor and integrity to the oval office. i think democrats will be renewed in their enthusiasm running for congress and for the presidency to make that claim, try to persuade the american people along those lines. >> what george w. bush was referring to was the impeachment that had just happened of bill clinton in the previous year. abby philip, you were at the white house today or covering the white house. we expect to hear from the president shortly as he departs to address the u.s. air force academy, the graduation today.
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what would the white house do? what's your sense of how the white house would handle this going forward? >> what we saw yesterday was a little bit unusual for the white house. it was a coordinated message. they decided soon after robert mueller spoke there was nothing there. they felt he really didn't break new ground. in some ways they are not entirely wrong about that. what mueller did was he explained what he wrote in his report and he explained why he didn't want to testify. but the president and the white house are going to try to make it as politically ditch cult for nancy pelosi as possible. trying to make it seem there is no alternative other than to impeach him which they think is something they can use to their political advantage by basically claiming mueller closed the door. he closed the book and it's time to move on. democrats refuse to do that. so that's the strategy.
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then there is president trump. most people noted he tweeted. it was mild shortly after mueller spoke. then nine hours passed. he was back to "it's a witch hunt" again. i think you will see the president going back to his more comfortable place which is to say this whole thing was a scam and that the investigators need to be investigated. that's where the white house's plan might fall apart when the president starts to go on the offensive against the investigation that he's saying is clearing him. it will muddy the message a little bit as they go forward. >> it's interesting. already there was a shift from the white house. their message did shift a little bit yesterday. it is subtle but significant. as you know, there's always been their mantra of no collusion, no obstruction. yesterday sarah sanders said something different. listen to this. >> the bottom line is there was no collusion. there was no obstruction. there was no collusion.
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there was no conspiracy. we consider this case closed. >> that was what they used to say. no collusion, no obstruction. the new one, no collusion, no conspiracy. do you think that's because of what robert mueller said? >> probably. it's probably related. it may be subtle for most people to pay attention to. >> if they are giving up on the no obstruction line, it won't last long. president trump will come out and say something different. >> he'll say almost bwilliam ba cleared me. >> i'm curious why sanders said it differently. >> mueller obviously believes the issue of obstruction of justice merits the attention of congress. whether he didn't come out all the way for impeachment he clearly regards what went on here as a serious obstruction of his own investigation. one of the reasons why nancy
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pelosi's position is perfectly defensible is that she's not saying let's throw in the towel on everything. she's saying let's call in witnesses, get documents, have hearings. it's just that we are not going to call them impeachment hearings yet. if there is new evidence that's developed maybe we'll do impeachment. she's not just saying throwing up her hands, we give up. >> number one, nancy pelosi count is up to 38. it's still 84% who haven't said yes. the number has grown including a presidential candidate with we'll speak to who shifted his position. you will find out who that is. david gregory, even without impeachment there are questions about whether the democrats have handled this as well as they could if they want to push this forward. fighting over the unredacted mueller report. is that even worth it when they have -- they have a lot of it, enough to clearly make an opinion. fighting over don mcgahn when
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he'll exert executive privilege. is that worth it compared to calling cory lewandoski who was involved in one of the incidents of possible obstruction. >> you have to do both. mcgahn is important because of his testimony to the special counsel. remember, this is a political exercise. in this case it is an order to change minds, change public opinion from where it is now by providing more information. the challenge is how they get at more information to advance the case beyond what it is. i heard mueller saying you can't fairly charge the president based on what we found in the investigation. congress would have to do that. there will be a defense. there will be answers to why the president took the actions that he took. he was not put under oath to
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answer questions. he does have executive power to fire mueller. he could have done it all along. there will be a defense to the obstruction congress faces the difficult task of advancing the case and opening eyes and changing minds. i will tell you, you know, think about the watergate example we have been discussing. i wonder how much more difficult it might have been if the crescendo of the investigation was happening in late 1971 moving into the election year of 1972 as opposed to 1974. that's the difficulty for democrats now. they are vulnerable to the attack that this is pure politics which, of course, that's what impeachment is. voters do have a release valve that democrats can campaign against president trump on these issues on what the special counsel found to make an argument that someone who is unfit for office.
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>> all right. >> very quickly, robert mueller, should he testify? >> absolutely. >> should he be subpoenaed? >> absolutely. i think he will. reluctantly and he'll keep the testimony closely tethered to his report, but he has relevant evidence for congress. he doesn't want to testify? too bad. testify in front of congress and they have to. it would be inconceivable to me that he wouldn't testify. >> he seemed to be making that entreaty yesterday. i hope we're done with this. >> can barr bar him? >> he'll be a private citizen as of today, i think. i don't see how barr would have any jurisdiction to bar him. forbid him. >> jeffrey, david, abby, thank you very much. now to this. thousands of people who live near the arkansas/oklahoma border are under water preparing for the record flooding to get
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even worse. cnn's rosa flores is live in fort smith, arkansas, with more. what's the situation? >> reporter: this is a mission against mother nature. all of this water you see behind me, there was no big rain event here in arkansas. it's all coming from oklahoma. if you look behind me, you will see a boat not far from here. people are trying to check on their homes. a lot of times they walk until they can on high ground, jump on a boat so they can check on their homes, sometimes pumping water out of the here in fort smith, there are about 90,000 people. about 1,000 homes, businesses, industrial areas are under water. 26 miles of streets and roads are also under water. the levee system a huge concern in arkansas impacting about 14 counties because all the water that's coming from oklahoma is
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draining through the arkansas river. all the tributaries and bayous are swollen. all of those trickle into neighborhoods. that's why you see the neighborhoods like the ones you see behind me filled with water, of huge concern. it's already turned deadly here in the state of arkansas. one person has died. the governor and senators are expected to tour the area today. of course they are going to report back to the people of arkansas. they are trying to make sure first and foremost people stay safe. >> rosa flores, by the swollen river in arkansas, thank you very much. even after robert mueller's remarkable public statement there is just one republican member of congress saying president trump committed impeachable offenses. we'll speak to the former aide to justin amash and a republican who once served with him in congress next. dad, we need to talk about something important. you don't need to go anywhere dad, this is your home.
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special counsel robert mueller. says it is up to congress to hold president trump accountable
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for any wrongdoing. so far just one republican member of congress, justin amash, said the president committed impeachable offenses. this is what he wrote yesterday after listening to robert mueller. the ball is in our court, congress. for more i'm joined by cory whalen, a former communications director for amash. justin amash won't talk to the press directly about this. it's great to hear from you. one of the things he said is he's heard from other republicans who share similar views. they are just scared to come forward. have you heard from other republicans who share the view that the president committed impeachable offenses? >> yes. congressman amash said that. i have seen certain republicans say one thing in private and another thing publicly due usually to being concerned about political consequences and
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certainly congressman amash is a unique, principled member of congress. he's doing a pure legal analysis of the mueller report in line with the constitution without considering the political ramifications. >> congressman dent, have you heard from any other republican member of congress who said the president committed impeachable offenses? >> i have heard from republican members who are simply appalled by the president's conduct in office. i don't know that they have gone as far as to call them impeachable offenses. they are clearly alarmed and troubled by it. so that's been my observation. one other thing, john, a lot of democrats in swing and marginal districts aren't talking about impeachment. it's not in their political interest to do so. keep that in mind as well. >> i think that's part of the same question here. first let me get you on why if there are republicans who are
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appalled and think it is possible he committed impeachable offenses, why hasn't anyone else come forward? >> they're worried about political consequences. they are worried about primaries. that's the bottom line. they are alarmed by primaries. they're afraid they will be defeated. it's that simple. >> on the democratic side, you represented a district which is now more or less held by a democrat. there is a democrat in a district that has a lot of republican voters. what is keeping more democrats, these 40 moderate democrats who gave the speakership to nancy pelosi, what's keeping them forward from impeaching publicly? >> many of the democrats realize impeachment may not be a winning political issue for them if they are in a swing or marginal district. you are not hearing from the democrats who won seats in new
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jersey or some in pennsylvania and elsewhere. clearly they are doing their own calculations. they fear that impeachment will motivate the republican base to impeach a president without the underlying crime being committed. that is criminal conspiracy with the russians. they believe they should litigate this in the 2020 election. they think they should defeat donald trump. that's a powerful way to send the message through impeachment. >> i want to read you something william cohen, former defense secretary under bill clinton. cohen wrote in "the washington post" politicians who ignore public opinion do so at their own peril. peril goes with the territory of holding office. it is important to remember public opinion isn't anchored and concrete. it shifts according to the
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information it finds to be persuasive and free of rank partisanship. do you think william cohen is right there? to an extent your boss is right that politics be damned, i will stand up for what i believe in. >> that statement echoes what justin amash is talking about. he's focused on telling the truth and saying to people we need to persuade others instead of being partisan, being tribal. everything that former congressman dent is talking about, yes, there are political consequences. public opinion can shift. it is fascinating to see that what justin amash has done made a difference. if you look at the town hall in grand rapids, michigan, he got a standing ovation. people appreciate his courage and analysis i think is shifting the winds. we'll see if anything comes of it. there is at least one member of congress willing to be honest. that makes justin amash unique. >> cory, if you had to bet your life whether or not a second
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republican member of congress will come forward in the next month in favor of impeachment would you take that bet? >> some of the things that amash talked about people who have spoken to him privately, i know people have concerns. i have a feeling that the political concerns will override legal concerns. no. i wouldn't bet on that. >> congressman, as someone -- you voted against the president in the two years you overlap with him in office. you have spoken out against him. if you were in congress now would you support impeachment proceedings? >> my thinking on that is i was critical of the president when he was in office and out. i think impeachment is not a great issue. >> so that's a no? >> i would be hesitant at this moment. i think congress has to do its due diligence, call witnesses, hear from mueller directly. this business about mueller
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being done, he has to come in and answer questions, explain the rationale. he has to do more. see where the chips may fall. the political winds can shift. maybe something is discovered we hadn't learned up to this point. let's at least go through the process. ruling impeachment in or out. >> do you think robert mueller should be subpoenaed to testify? >> i believe he should testify. he should absolutely testify. hopefully he'll come in voluntarily. i suspect he'll be subpoenaed and comply. >> thank you very much for being with us this morning. really appreciate it. >> really interesting. at last count, eight of the 2020 presidential candidates want congress to begin impeachment
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okay. at last count eight of the 2020 democratic presidential candidates said they want to start impeachment proceedings against president trump. here are a few of them. >> i believe that expungement proceedings will strengthen congress's hand in getting the information and the responses that they need to come to a conclusion about ultimate impeachment. >> these are impeachable offenses.
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it is our constitutional responsibility as members of congress to bring a judgment of impeachment against this president. >> it's a fair inference from what we heard in the press conference that bob mueller was referring impeachment to the united states congress. >> joining us now is john hickenlooper. great to have you here. >> thank you for having me. >> you previously pumped the brakes on impeachment. how do you feel today? >> after listening to mueller -- and i wanted to hear what he had to say, i think of myself as an extreme moderate. he laid the responsibility clearly at the doorstep of congress. i think we have to begin an impeachment inquiry. that doesn't mean we'll impeach president trump tomorrow or maybe ever. we have an obligation to follow the facts and recognize -- i'm not naive -- mitch mcconnell will never impeach president trump. we have to keep our eye on the prize and beat trump at the ballot box.
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we have to get the real facts of what did happen? >> i'm sorry. what changed for you after you read -- between reading the mueller report and hearing him yesterday in. >> hearing him say if there were a way he could say there was no criminal activity he would have done that. actually hearing him say that rather than just in the report. he was also very direct that this is the responsibility of congress. this is their constitutional role and the way he laid it out there was direct. >> i was interested by the way you framed your decision here. you're saying you are running as an extreme moderate. was that the phrase? that's the group of democrats that may be the ones to pressure nance nancy pelosi in the house. really very few, if none, have come forward in saying it's time to impeach or hold impeachment proceedings. do you think your movement will convince any of them? >> i think having an impeachment inquiry where you get the weight
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of the inquiry behind the subpoena so you get the facts. that's critically important at this point. i look at that as separate from the actual impeachment proceedings where you are trying to generate articles of impeachment. >> the first step is an impeachment inquiry. >> that's an inquiry. >> then vote on articles of impeachment. formally launching an inquiry is an impeachment proceeding. >> exactly. >> you're saying yes, now is the time. >> we need to get the facts. just asking to bring forth the evidence, i think it would be crazy not to do it. we have to go out and get facts. >> do you worry it could hurt democrats in 2020? >> we should go into it clear-eyed and recognize that mitch mcconnell is not going to impeach president trump. we've got to beat trump at the ballot box and be laser focused. >> will voters be annoyed that
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democrats are spending time on impeachment? >> i don't think so. i think voters and most of the people i talked to in colorado, iowa, new hampshire, they want the facts. let's find out what happened. it's one thing to say that the trump campaign actually communicated with a hostile power. to me, that's breathtaking that we just accept that that's fine. let's see what else is there. >> again, running as a moderate you don't see it as a leftist position. >> no. i think trying to get facts is within america as a country. it's within america's responsibility. >> let's ask you about some of your positions. i want to ask you about abortion rights. this is one where it is hard to be a moderate. people have such passionate and extreme feelings. given what you have seen happening in indiana, alabama, ohio. i could go on. what would be your solution? >> this constant -- seems like a
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constant assault on women's reproductive rights in many states, it is outrageous, horrific. in colorado we have taken it in a different direction. we have expanded women's access to all their medical opportunities, access. what we have seen the provide long acting reversible contraception like iuds or norplants to young women who ask for it and reduced teen pregnancy by 54%, teenage abortion by 64% and saved colorado taxpayers money. >> those are striking numbers. some states that want to outlaw abortion and get rid of birth control and restrit access to birth control. that's confusing. >> these people are so adamant that they want to fight abortion. by closing down family planning
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and denying young women the opportunity to have control of their own bodies, to decide when they want to start a family, that's one of the basic tenets of freedom, if you ask me. in the end they are creating more unwanted pregnancies and more abortions. it doesn't make sense. >> let's talk presidential primary process at this point. the first two presidential debates are coming up in june or july. there is a third in september where they are going to raise the bar for entry. it is 2% in the polls there. as of now you wouldn't qualify for the third debate. i know we are not there yet. do you think that's fair to have the higher cut off? >> i'm not worried about it. i feel comfortable i'll be on the stage. i feel like i'm running for president because we are in a crisis of division that trump is fuelling. i feel like i'm the one person that's actually done what everyone else is talking about. i brought people together. we have gotten to near universal health care coverage.
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we addressed methane, one of the worst climate pollutants there is and we beat the nra with tough new gun laws. i have been able to bring people together and do the big progressive things people said couldn't be done. i think it is time to really look at the fundamental nonsense of government that we see in washington and begin replacing it with common sense. >> is that a fair cut-off, raising the bar for the third debate? >> they made their decision. my job is to make sure i'm on the stage. i think we have our own lane. we are one of the only people that's brought people together and gotten big progressive things done other people said couldn't be done. >> governor john hickenlooper, thanks for coming in. >> thank you. we expect to see president trump shortly. he'll depart the white house. he's already written statements in direct contradiction to what robert mueller said. will he say it out loud when he leaves the white house? our everyday diet is very acidic.
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the opinion says the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing. it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge. so that was justice department policy. those were the principles under which we operated and from them we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime. >> that was special counsel robert mueller explaining if he could have exonerated president trump of a clirime he would hav. what's next and does history teach us anything about this moment? joining us is john abrams,
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author of the new book "theodore roosevelt for the defense: the courtroom battle to save his legacy." great to have you here. >> good morning. >> congrats on the best seller list. very exciting. >> before we get to the book what did you hear robert mueller say that changed anything? >> i heard him repeat things in the mueller report. nothing that he said was new. but the point is it's what he chose to highlight that's important here. he picked certain areas which we clearly felt had not been properly understood. did he speak for eight minutes or something? he's focused on issues that you hear. i have talked about it a number of times. most importantly the introduction to section two of the mueller report which he basically almost read verbatim which is saying here's the reason why there was no finding on obstruction of justice. that is at odds with what william barr has said. i think he also wanted to
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emphasize how serious the russian interference was. remember, he also pointed out again that hillary clinton was the target. those are things in the indictments. they are in the mueller report. for robert mueller in his limited eight minutes to have chosen those issues and the fact that it's congress, not the criminal justice system who can hold a president accountable is very telling. >> it's so interesting you said that. i feel like a magician. let me open the envelope. president trump wrote a statement which you contradicted along with robert mueller. let me read what the president just wrote in two tweets. russia, russia, russia. that's all you heard at the beginning of this witch hunt hoax. now russia has disappeared because i had nothing to do with russia helping me to get elected. it was a crime that didn't exist. so now the demes and their partner, the fake news media say he fought back against this horrendous false accusation and
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he shouldn't fight back. just sit back and take it. could this be obstruction? no. mueller didn't find obstruction either. presidential harassment. that last part. mueller didn't find obstruction either. >> he didn't pronounce that there was obstruction, right? that's true. but if you actually listen to robert mueller and read the mueller report it is clear that the mueller team believes at the very least that there are two or three instances where obstruction is on the ta suggesg about russia. if you were to say to robert mueller, what's the single reason you held the press conference, my guess would be he would say to focus on russia. >> he led and closed with it. >> that's critical. >> is congress going to call robert mueller to testify? >> yeah. i think they'll ask him. it's odd to me why congressman nadler seemed to wishy-washy on this. i think they'll call him. they won't get what they want.
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he'll answer in a very limited, controlled way. i think there will be a lot of frustration and mueller knows that. his concern is i get up there. i've got the democrats yelling at me because i'm not talking enough. i've got the republicans yelling at me because i talk too much. he's going to be in the middle of this and i think he doesn't want to be in that position. a lot of people get called who don't want to be in that position. >> last question before we get to your book, you have said it's unprecedented to use the impeachment process as an investigatory tool basically. >> yes. >> exclusively without wanting to remove the president. what todo you mean by that? >> we are talking about the possibility of an impeachment inquiry here. congress has oversight. they are using that, subpoenaing witnesses. officially calling it an impeachment inquiry gives them a little bit of a stronger legal argument in certain ways. in the previous impeachments that we have had, there hasn't been effectively a grand jury impeachment meaning we are going
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to use this to gather more information. it's been a proceeding to say we believe the president ought to be impeached. now we are talking about a middle ground where it would be an inquiry somewhere above a legislative oversight but somewhere under an impeachment proceeding. >> they don't want to use the impeachment word, the other i word. >> this is the little i with a dot on it. >> the book is about theodore roosevelt. after he left the white house and was called to testify for days on a libel case. >> imagine roosevelt testifying for eight days. we got the transcript. over 3,000 pages from 1915. roosevelt was sued for libel. he called the head of the republican party corrupt. >> imagine that. >> the guy sued him for libel. he goes to court and it becomes a case where he has to defend
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theodore roosevelt. not just this libel case. it turns into an attack on theodore roosevelt, the former president, the person. roosevelt took his integrity and honesty seriously. typically when we see in history we read speeches, books, but this is theodore roosevelt going back and forth with a lawyer who wants to embarrass him on cross-examination. we've got every word from the transcript of this back and forth. franklin roosevelt testifies in his defense. >> right. >> it's this fascinating case that somehow became forgotten to history. we have taken the transcript and told the story in a case that was in the front pages everywhere for six weeks around the country. this is leading up to world war i. there was a lot of intersection with that as well. a lot of people want to know what roosevelt thinks about things that are happening in the world. yet there are three german-americans on the jury and a concern about alienating them. at that point german-americans aligned, a lot of them, with the
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germans. there were fascinating things in this case. as we read through the transcript, the end of the trial -- without giving it away -- is you get to the end and the verdict is not a verdict. meaning you eventually do get a verdict. but when you first think there is a verdict, there's a problem. >> that sounds familiar. >> yeah. it's amazing that that happened at the end of this trial. it was a fun book to work on and bring to life. >> it's fascinating. they testified for eight days. president trump's lawyers didn't want him to answer questions behind closed doors because they were afraid he would be caught lying. >> president trump is being sued in civil cases. he could have to testify as a former or current president. there are definitely comparisons in the book to today. >> the book again is "theodore roosevelt for the defense." fascinating read. >> it is. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> we expect to hear from
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if there was one thing we learned from robert mueller's public comments yesterday it's just how different he sees things than attorney general william barr, differences in his role and the law. john avalon has a reality check. >> i think this is what happens when the last honest man in washington confronts a blizzard of lies. with robert mueller's first and perhaps final comments as special counsel we learned a lot about his puzzling punt on obstruction. we now know that president trump was never in danger of being indicted, not because he was cleared of wrongdoing, but because mueller felt he was constitutionally constrained by the office of legal counsel's guidance. >> under long standing department policy a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. that is unconstitutional. charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an
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option we could consider. >> but there is a screaming contrast between what attorney general bill barr said and what robert mueller clearly meant. according to a cnn analysis barr stated no less than six times that the opinion had little more than -- >> we specifically asked him about the olc opinion and whether or not he was taking the position that he would have found a crime but for the existence of the olc opinion and he made it very clear several times that that was not his position. >> that appears to be fundamentally false because mueller actually said this. >> if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. >> in other words, trump was explicitly not exonerated and it certainly sounds like if he was anyone other than the president he would have been indicted. mueller was also constrained by
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a virtue that's vanishingly rare in washington politics, a sense of fairness. >> it would be unfair to accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge. >> so despite all the president's repeated attacks on the special counsel investigation being a witch-hunt and worse, as well as the ongoing push to investigate the investigators for treason, we now see that donald trump may have had his bacon saved by robert mueller's commitment to decency and the rule of law, the opposite of witch-hunt. trump's lawyers wasted no time trying to spin mueller's words with jay sekulow stating the attorney general conclusively determined there was no obstruction by the president. that's explicitly not what mueller concluded. it seems that he believes impeachment is the only appropriate way to hold a president to account. about you that remedy from the founding fathers now runs into the reality of a polarized congress that seems unable and unwilling to think beyond partisan interests. mueller's parting message was not about obstruction but about the massive efforts by russia to meddle in our elections with the
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aim of benefitting donald trump. >> there were multiple systematic efforts to interfere in our election and that allegation deserves the attention of every american. >> bottom line, the mueller investigation is over. it did not exonerate the president. attorney general barr did misrepresent the report's conclusions and constraints and the russians will continue to try to influence our elections because they did so to help the president the last time around despite his denials and there's every indication they will try to do it again. and that's your reality check. >> thank you very much, john. all right. louisiana lawmakers have passed sweeping new restrictions on abortion, banning the procedure as soon as a fetal heartbeat is detected which often happens as early as six weeks. meanwhile, health officials in missouri are within a day of closing the state's last remaining abortion clinic. cnn's alexandra field is live in st. louis with more. give us an update, alexandra.
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>> reporter: alisyn, good morning. louisiana's democratic governor is saying that he will sign that heartbeat bill here in missouri, the republican governor last week signed a bill that would ban abortion at eight weeks with no exceptions for rape or incest. he says that missouri has the opportunity to become one of the strongest pro life states in the nation. now missouri might have another designation, by tomorrow it could be the only state in the nation that offers no access to abortion for women at all in more than 40 years. that's because there is just one abortion clinic operating in the state, it's licensed to operate expires on friday. the health department hasn't renewed t the governor says that's because of violations an an ongoing investigation, the details of which he wouldn't make clear, but planned parenthood which operates the clinic here in st. louis says they have fully cooperated with the investigation and moreover they have complied with even the medically arbitrary regulations that the state continues to put on abortion clinics. which is why they say there is
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just one clinic left in missouri. they now say in a lawsuit that there is a -- on abortion in the state of missouri and they essentially say that the state is weaponizing the regulatory process to restrict abortion out of existence. by tomorrow, alisyn, it could be the only state with no clinics at all. >> alexandra, thank you. depart the white house.ut to how will he respond to robert mueller? he's written some things very recently that are fascinating. the first time he has ever admitted to getting help from russia to win the election. "new day" continues right now. under long standing department policy a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. >> if the report speaks for itself, why did you have to do a press conference? >> many constituents want to impeach the president, but we want to do what is right and what gets results. >> this is a three-ring circus
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and nancy pelosi is the ring master. >> mr. mueller will testify, he will be compelled to testify and he will be accountable to the american people. the first things i thought of was war zone into more severe weather from the plains to the east coast. >> the river is going to increase over the next few days. >> you could hear glass breaking, everything blowing around and i was just hoping we was going to make it. >> i've been watching this thing for three, four days and every day it gets higher and higher and higher. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day," it is thursday, may 30th, 8:00 in the east. special counsel robert mueller has spoken, we heard his voice. robert mueller said that -- i should first say president trump is not happy about it according to john berman he is tweeting up a storm right now. we will get to that. the president is about to leave the white house to head to colorado and he is sending out a series of fact challenged tweets criticizing robert mueller's investigation.
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president trump claims that mueller would have brought charges against him if he thought he committed a crime, but mueller said explicitly the opposite yesterday. mueller did not even consider charging president trump because of justice department guidelines. mueller said that responsibility falls on congress, which of course begs the question this morning, what will congress do now? >> a growing number of house democrats and 2020 presidential candidates, including one right here on our show, are calling for impeachment proceedings, but continues to resist, though she says nothing is off the table. the spotlight is also now back on the attorney general, william barr. a lot of people are accusing him of misleading lawmakers and the public about the mueller report. mueller's version clearly different than the attorney general's. joining me discuss congressman mike quigley. thank you for being with us. before yesterday you were not


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