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sanctions will drive iran to the bargaining table. president trump ordered a retaliation strike but called it off just minutes before it was set to happen. here is how he is characterizing the united states' response. >> i think the response should be, well, first of all, as you know we've done very massive sanctions. we're increasing the sanctions now. the response is always going to be very strong. i built up a lot of capital. i've had a lot of people saying i can't believe -- a lot of them said we're going to be in world war iii. we're doing great in north korea, great in a lot of different places. we knocked out the caliphate in syria, we knocked out 100%. >> not 100%? >> the caliphate, which is the land, the area. >> fair enough. >> you never knock these people out. they are stone cold crazy and will walk into a store wired up for bombs. it's a horrible thing. i don't want to do what other
people have done. you don't win so conclusively. i would love to have the day we could. >> the president also talked about the southern border and facilities. >> i ended separation. i inherited separation from president obama. president obama built -- they call them jail cells. >> let's talk about what's happening now? you're not doing the recreation, not even schooling the kids anymore. >> we're doing a fantastic job under the circumstances. the democrats aren't even aproving giving us the money. the democrats are holding up the humanitarian i itariaitarian ai. >> boris, the president placing lots of blame, but not necessarily giving any new details on what this administration's approach will be to iran or even the u.s. southern border.
>> reporter: yeah, that's right, fred. president trump making a rare appearance on one of the sunday morning talk shows. he suggested some would be enacted slowly. some would be put in place rapidly. the president bragged how iran's economy is deteriorated under sanctions. he believes that has made them ready to negotiate and he is ready to talk. the president and others in the administration have laid out effectively that they want a new nuclear deal that more effectively deters iran from getting a nuclear weapon. mike pence was asked about that by jake tapper. listen to his response. >> the president's message to iran is very clear that we are not going to allow iran to obtain a if you can leer weapon.
nuclear weapon. the president will announce additional sanctions against iran. the president has made it clear that we are not forgive to tolerate any threats against american forces, american interests, america's allies in the region and never allow iran to obtain a nuclear weapon. >> reporter: as for the southern border, fred, the president essentially said he would be delaying a decision with i.c.e. raids on immigrants in ten cities across the country, giving congress an additional two weeks to negotiate a deal on immigration, something for the duration of his presidency they have not been able to do. we know officials were hesitant about carrying out the raids because they believe they could hurt the ongoing negotiations, fred. >> i understand nancy pelosi issued a phone call on friday urging him not to carry out the
raids. he will delay for two weeks. still unclear how it would be executed and if indeed democrats or republicans can do anything to circumvent things. thank you so much. john bolton issuing a strong warning to iran today just days after the president called off that retaliatory strike for shooting down the military drone. >> neither iran should mistake prudence and discretion for weakness. no one has granted them a hunting license in the middle east. our military is rebuilt, new, and ready to go. by far the best in the world. >> bolton speaking from
jerusalem. in a meeting he said military options remain on the table. a top iranian quickly firing back. the team pushing the president towards war. mike pompeo is now on his way to saudi arabia and the united arab emirates to discuss the growing crisis. sam, how concerning is this crisis between the u.s. and iran for allies in the region? >> reporter: i think it's very worrying indeed. the foreign minister here of the united arab emirates issued another tweet calling for caution, prudence, wisdom and local partners to be part of this discussion over iran, and that's precisely what we're anticipating will be undergoing
tomorrow when mike pompeo comes through the middle east first to saush and then the emirates here and india, all of which will be top of the agenda, of course, will be the u.s./iranian relations. up until now there's been lock step in seeing the jcpoa, the original deal the americns walked away from last year. donald trump walked out of imposing further sanctions. they have been supportive of that because they are very worried about a nuclear iran. they're worried about iran's capability, heavily influenced in iraq and syria and in yemen they're vulnerable not just to
economic results of any kind of increase, any kind of violent conflict but directly physically vulnerable. they will be sending a message to mike pompeo there has to be some sort of diplomatic route out of this. the iranians will be quite pleased to hear no conditions with the americans but their preconditions are, fred, that they want to see a lifting of sanctions and to return to the deal the americans have torn up. but russia and china have not. fred? >> sam kiley, thank you so much. a middle east scholar and a foreign policy adviser as well as the dean for advanced international studies at johns hopkins. good to see you. so if the u.s. strategy is to provoke iran to go back to the
negotiating table by imposing more sanctions, do you see that as ultimately leading to the u.s. and iran talking? >> iran has been escalating to get the u.s. to release some pressure and it's made release of pressure as a precondition for going to talks. president trump has put himself in a bind. it's become public he almost ordered strikes and now he's trying to do certain things that would be face savings. he may need to do something, a cyber attack, adding more sanctions so he doesn't look weak. he doesn't have the iranians come to the table. >> the president did call off the military strikes. he still says military options remain on the table but he would much rather talk. >> i'm not looking for war and if there is, it will be
obliteration like you've never seen before. but i'm not looking to do that. you can't have a nuclear weapon. >> no preconditions? >> not as far as i'm concerned. no preconditions. >> iran, what is the incentive for iran to have negotiations with this administration when this administration either didn't believe or didn't want to acknowledge iran was compliant for a year, and this administration walked away from that nuclear deal? the fact that europe, china and russia were not able to bush back or not willing to stand in the way of the u.s. as it scuttles the deal and puts pressure on iran. so either they have to fight their way out which is not
realistic, they don't want to go to war. how are they going to get the sanctions lifted or eased, and that has to come through negotiations. that doesn't mean we'll get to a perfect deal on the nuclear issue anytime soon, but at least engagement and a diplomatic conversation could get more sanctions relief. >> there would likely have to be a third party, another country, involved. it wouldn't just be u.s. and iran. owe man has played that role before. do you see oman playing that role again or some other country? >> there are countries that are basically messengers, switzer l switzerland or oman. there is room for another country to become part of the investigation. the european union, china and russia. i think president trump lacks credibility with iran. he walked away from the previous
deal. he says he wants to talk but his team, people who actually would have to do the nitty-gritty of the negotiations are not diplomats. they're not interested in diplomacy. they want to undermine trump, go to war. they want regime change. when trump leaves, they have to deal with bolton and pompeo. they want the europeans involved so there would be somebody else. >> so does iran feel emboldened at all by calling bolton and others part of the "b" teal for the president? >> i think they're signaling the fact they do understand that trump wants to talk. but his team does not want to talk. i think they're hammering this issue. they're sending trump a signal, okay, we're hearing you. here is your team.
you have to actually deal with this problem and i think the recent escalations have brought this out even further. even trump himself is admitting he's not on the same page with his team. and he didn't want to go there. >> so the president said that he loves the iranian people and didn't want to see 150 iranians who would die from that potential military strike. how do you think this crisis right now unfolding is playing with the iranian people? >> i think they're upset, they're worried. they're angry at trump for having scuttled a nuclear deal, put the pressure on them. they're worried about war. they're worried about what's happening to their economy and to their lively hoods.
they're not willing to give up on their national interests and they don't like to be bullied into a deal. economic pressure could be lifted and the threat of war averted. >> do you believe that the iranian people feel like the president loves the iranian people, maybe just not necessarily the leadership? end of the day trump is looking after america's interests and his own interests. ultimately he's been perfectly willing to put enormous amount of pressure on them, cause them to lose their jobs, deny them medicine, deny them food, put them under hardship in order to get what he wants. they're not impressed with crocodile tears but they do accept the fact that trump perhaps does not want war. and that to them is something very positive they would like to
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right now to more on the tensions between the u.s. and iran. new sengss are set to go into effect tomorrow. president trump says they're in response to iran shooting down an unmanned multimillion dollar u.s. drone. president trump ordered a retaliation strike but called it off just minutes before it was set to happen. with me to discuss the congressman for illinois luis gutierrez, a cnn political commentator. good to see you. >> hi, fredricka. >> do you see more sanctions will bring iran to the negotiation table with the u.s.? >> i hope they do. i think it's the course we should take. if there is one thing i think we all agree on and that is iran should never have nuclear weapons. democrats, republicans, those who believe in peace no matter where you live in the world. we all agree on that. >> that's what the nuke
agreement was all about. >> right. but the u.s. has walked away from that. >> i understand that. even now, fredricka, even now in the house of representatives and in the senate, everybody agrees on that moving forward. and i would hope going to the issue you are raising, i would hope that especially our candidates for president of the united states would be clear that war is not an option, right, that is not the first course of action we should be taking. >> the president said he doesn't want war but if the u.s. is provoked then, you know, that country would be obliterated. >> sure. >> how does that set the stage for negotiating? >> exactly. how does it set the tone when he says i'm going to obliterate you and annihilate you and with north korea it's fury and fire.
that's the rhetoric on the one hand which is opposite the goal. let's understand something this president of the united states is once again unable to speak truth to the american people. fredricka, come on, now how does a president of the united states take an action and order an action unless he knows the casualties it is likely to cause? >> so you don't buy that was an afterthought that he asked later? >> i was a member of the intelligence committee for eight years. one the first things that happens is to tell you what the direct casualties will be either militarily or the unintended casualties. he knows this ten minutes before? no, he's not telling the american people the truth. >> what do you think the truth is? >> here is what i think the
truth is. in the end he said i don't want to go to war with i ran. i think in the end he talks a mean, bellicose game. and i'm happy that he walked away from it. that doesn't mean we can't trip wire ourselves into a wore and, again, remember we had a peace agreement. you don't make peace with your friends, you make it with your enemies. he broke that agreement with iran. >> perhaps a similar pattern is this i.c.e. raid. the president said in a matter of days there will be a raid. everyone who has received notifications about deportation, they will be rounded up and taken back to their respective countries and then just yesterday he said, well, it will be off.
what are you interpreting from the president when he says that? >> yeah, well, first of all, i want to say that, again, let's look at the language. fire and fury, annihilation. hi first words were last sunday millions of people we will begin the deportation of millions of people, number one the hyperbole. barack obama was coined exporter in chief, number one. >> this president said it would happen starting sunday. >> he said last sunday that it's going to begin today, and then the next day he went back to florida, one of the states in which he called upon the deportation. i just want to say a couple
things, fredricka. look, i am really happy that he called it out. that he tweeted it out because it gave an opportunity, for example -- >> that he tweeted out which -- that it was going to happen or not? >> no, that it was going to happen. that it was going -- i'm happy for both but i'm happy for the first. it gave an opportunity to prepare defense of itself and we saw americans come together and say we are going to do -- whether it was in chicago or municipalities, people came together to defend. we saw them walking around saying you have civil rights. you have constitutional rights. here they are. we're going to help to protect you. that didn't happen only in chicago. >> except the president isn't saying it's off.
he's saying there are two more weeks for something to happen that could change the time. >> and i just want to say the community now has been able to prepare itself because of the president's action and, number two, just because he called it off doesn't mean, as we speak, fredricka, as you and i speak, there aren't thousands of children suffering in jails, basically in jails, incarcerated. >> certainly have been established that's the case. >> there are two reports this week. congressman deutsch has a report in which there are hundreds of cases of physical and seal abuse and they're not even getting toothpaste. i say to the immigrant community, prepare yourself but understand there's still a lot
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welcome back. it's been a tough week off the campaign trail for mayor pete buttigieg. at any moment he will address the south bend community hours after a deadly bar shooting. one person killed and ten others injured. the focus is community tensions after a white police officer fatally shot a black man last week. the mayor just tweeting moments ago we have a lot to talk about as a city. jason carroll is in south bend and cnn political reporter is in south bend. let me begin with you, jason. being proceeded by the tweet from the mayor. >> reporter: speaking to some of the folks who have gathered
they've talk about what they want to hear from the mayor. they want more transparency. more transparency on what's been going on in the past. this is a mixed crowd that we're seeing here. there seems to be a lot of distrust between the community and the department. we've seen this in other urban centers. allegations they have used racially insensitive language, have used excessive force and, also this is a department that doesn't accurately reflect the community it serves. some 40% of people of color but you have a department that is freedom nanltly white. one local pastor put it in a way
people relate to, this local pastor said buttigieg, what he's doing is running for president and trying to do damage control here in his community. we're going to see how effective he is in just a few minutes. >> the same kind of challenge that any members of congress or senate might be when they decide to run for president as well. dan, you've been following the buttigieg campaign and this town hall could be pivotal, a pivotal moment on so many levels. >> the buttigieg rise has been lore over the last few months. he caught some momentum, he got in the race, he hit some momentum and took off and really rose in the polls.
largely unabated by anything that held him back. this has been the first time there's been a national test to his candidacy, a familiar test we've seen past mayors who have run for president or for different offices face. there's a number of things voters will be looking for nationally. how does he handle an emotional situation where he both has to chart a path forward and say here is how we heal, how we soothe this tension. the issue for buttigieg is the police department has been a long festering issue for him, the racial tension has been a long festering issue ever since he took office. he wrote he knew it was going to be an issue when he took office, and as jason mentioned the
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is taking heat about his word choice talking working with segregationist senators in his early years in washington, d.c. biden acknowledged that he didn't mean to use one word in a derogatory way. >> i do understand the consequence of the word boy but it wasn't said in that context at all. to the extent that anybody thought i meant something different, that is not what i intended. it is -- and it would be wrong for anybody to intend that. >> joining me now, the author of what truth sounds like, good to see you, michael. so is the former vice president handling this well? is he cleaning it up, so to speak after people interpreted his word choice as hurtful, even cory booker in particular calling him to task on it. >> fred, it's always great to see you.
whooo what he said was inappropriate. what you are saying is senators who were rabid segregationists or archenemies of progress are the very examples to suggest to us that you are capable of being bipartisan, well, guess what, with that kind of bipartisanship, we don't need you as a representative of the people. when president trump said there's good people on both sides, we were taken aback by the inability to make moral distinctions. is this the moment we ask senator biden to say, look, sir, working with talmadge and eastland, the very senators who caused someone to say i'm sick and tired of being sick and tired, those who stood metaphorically in the doorway to block racial progress?
no. and then to take this long to get it, even a shrewd calculation, that one is worth fighting for. no, let me just say i'm wrong. most are political pragmatists. we know you've been on the right side of many of these issues but you also have to have your record examined and scrutinized. the inability to admit this is wrong, if it took this time to take this long to say you're wrong about this, we don't have the faith you'll be able to handle the more complicated issues of race. and then it doesn't square with the kinds of valiant things in the past to suggest he's racially sensitive and progressive in these matters. >> and, michael, we want to continue talking about this but south bend, indiana, mayor pete
p buttigieg is taking to the stage. >> hosting and moderating. thank you for having us. thank you to everybody for caring enough to be part of this. we are here for several reasons. we're here because the city is hurting. the city is in pain. because someone among our number died at the hands of another person. we're here to share information. and we're here to make progress. not because we think we can solve everything here or solve everything at all but because we know we'll be closer if we have the right information and if people are heard. a couple things i should admit that i cannot speak to today. first of all i cannot speak to whether any of the actions on
sunday by mr. logan or any of the officers involved were legal or illegal because that is being investigated separately. i cannot speak whether any actions by any officers at that time were in accordance with policy or against policy because that will be reviewed in a separate investigation. those investigations have to be impartial and just and transparent. i will doing in to prejudice them. we will deal with the findings when they come. i know how much concern there is in this city over the police involved shooting that happened last sunday. ten people were shot. at least one life has been lost. every time a civilian dies at
the hands of an officer, every time a civilian dies at the hands of another civilian and anytime an oofser comes to harm, they are all disasters. a disaster for the family every single time. we were on track as a city to have less shootings than last year. i don't know if that's true anymore. certainly not as of this moment. we can't bring that number down without all of us. and i know this is part of that. we're bringing together people who care about safety and justice and believe that we can and must have both. i want to share the process that is going on. there will be more to discuss as the questions come in. there is one process for
reviewing if any laws were broken on sunday. that another process will take place. that it is for whether any discipline is called for. that will be in the hands of the department and will then go to the board of safety. the first is a desire for an outside look at what has taken place here by the u.s. department of justice. i recognize that request. i respect it. i cannot promise that they will act on it. secondly, the community has expressed concern about the review under way by metro
homicide because even though it is separate it involves local law enforcement. some have asked for an independent investigator to be appointed by the prosecutor to take over. i want to let you know that i agree with this recommendation as well. and that i notified the prosecutor i would like him to take that step. it is his decision but i have let him know i would like that to happen and have shared some of the reasons why. there is a lot beneath the surface when it comes to trust and legit mass. there's a lot of things we've done and i want to make sure we've named them. community policing efforts that have been going on for years.
transparency online and i would urge you to consult the transparency hub online. it's a website. >> there's nothing there. >> if anyone has any suggestions about additional data sets to add, those will be taken seriously. we've acted to have a promotions process and to raise discipline standards. we've also taken efforts to make sure it resembles the community and is more diverse. >> it's not enough. >> as the mayor of the city i want to acknowledge those last two lines of effort, the effort to recruit more minority officers to the department and
the effort to introduce body cameras have not succeeded and i accept responsibility for that. we increase diversity in the police department and we need help. obviously there is enormous frustration which i share that they were not there when we needed them most and there will be action on that, too. >> quiet! >> so i'll keep this brief so we can get to the questions. i just want you to know that we're not running from this. we're going to have a conversation that i hope will be respectful. i hope that -- i know that people aren't going to walk out of this room satisfied.
i understand that. we are here to have tough conversations but i want everyone here at least to be empowered, and i want to make sure voices are heard. i will stop talking. our moderator will ask some questions and then we will move to audience questions after that. again, i thank you for being here and everyone here to respectfully participate in the conversation. [ applause ] >> thank you, mayor pete, for giving us the overview. i want to ask that we be respectful to this process. we have a lot of information and content to share. and so as we respect you from this area, please respect us as well. we're going to do our very best to get your questions answered
and share information with you that i believe will be empowering on today and so let's walk in love one towards another. can you look at your neighbor and say let's walk in love one to another. thank you so much. i appreciate the respect you are giving me at this time. the bible says love never fails and love will cover a multitude of sin and so let's walk if love one to another so that we can have a healthy engagement this is a time that we can communicate one to another. we're all hurting, including myself. are you hearing me? i have questions myself that need to be answered. and i'm here to help facilitate those questions that we have premade and then those questions that will come from the audience.
as the president i think it's important for you all to know we are an advocacy organization. we believe in fair and equitable processes and we believe justice will come out of this. as you give us time through the process, i'm emphasizing that for a reason because nothing is going to happen in the next 36 hours. but there is a process to this, and we want to give it time to unfold so that we can address the challenges that are before us. all right. with that being said, let's get started with the questions to our mayor and to our chief of police. first question is, what happens after an officer -- what happens after an officer-involved shooting? chief scott? >> well, that's kind of a vague
question, but from the scene itself, metro homicide is immediately called. they come to the scene and we relinquish the scene. those officers that are on scene, whoever the commanders or supervisors are relinquish to metro homicide. homicide does what they do with any investigation, which is to transport witnesses down and whoever may be involved and take statements at the metro homicide unit. immediately, our south bend offer certificates, unless they're involved in an actual incident, will not be involved in the investigation. >> south bend police chief there taking the first question really about the sequence of events following a police-involved shooting. we're anxious to hear what the mayor has to say. we're going to take a short break for now. we'll come back and listen to more of this town hall meeting involving the south bend mayor, pete buttiegieg and also presidential candidate. health is magnificent.
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place in south bend, indiana, and the mayor of south bend, indiana, pete buttiegieg, who is a presidential candidate. right now there are generic questions being asked about the procedures of police-involved shootings. the reason why they have this town hall meeting is because there was a police-involved shooting one week ago. a white police officer, a black man, the black man died, and in addition, separately, a shooting that took place at a bar earlier this morning. ten people have been shot. one died, and so the mayor opened up by saying, you know, this is a city that is hurting. this is a city in pain. he said someone died at the hands of another person. that being the nucleus of what this town hall meeting is all about. but the mayor just days ago had been confronted by people in south bend who said they want more. they want more detail about the police-involved shooting. and it goes to the core of racial tensions in that city. i was joined earlier by michael eric dyson.
he's back with me now, author of "what truth sounds like." and so i wonder, michael, if it is -- even though it's the beginning stages, we have yet to hear from the audience who is fired up. we heard people, you know, chiming in with demands of when, when will there be change? to some of the points that he was making about police body cam program and diversity recruitment, which he admits he has not done well and the city has not succeeded in that. he says, i take full spo responsibility for that. but then i'm wondering is it glaring to you absent the fact he talked about someone died at the hands of another person, he avoided mentioning this is a white police officer and a black man. and, you know, that is interesting because when you have had that dynamic historically, it certainly goes to intent. it goes to questions of prejudice, lack of value of life. those are some of the things that come to mind.
those are some of the things that he heard from his constituents just a few days ago in south bend. >> absolutely. >> what are you anxious to hear from him in terms of detail? he said he can't talk in detail about the investigations, but those are the glaring things at the nucleus of racial tensions here. >> right, absolutely. stop punting the ball. stop saying, look, i can't speak about this, i don't want to put my thumb on the scales of justice to ware it. we understand that. that's not what we're asking you. we're asking you to take a politically, publicly, moralistic stand here and that stand says, look, we don't want our citizens being victimized by people who are ostensibly committed to helping them, to serve and protect. if we have a disproportionate number of people of color in this case black people, who are victims of police-involved shootings, where law enforcement is, again, involved with lethal intensity in the erae rash erase
of another black life, one person killed by another person, that's not the issue, sir, because one has a badge and a gun. that badge, that shield suggests that he works for the city, for the state, for the government. that means that he has an extra special responsibility to be careful in the dispensation of justice. he is not to be judge and jury. he is not to take the law into his own hands and to execute another human being. all of these things are at play here. and beyond that, we do know that mayor pete fired the black police chief there. now, why was the black police chief fired? he was fired because he was, quote, illegally wiretapping other police people that the federal government was concerned about. the fbi in particular. what was he recording them for? because they were making racist statements. so now the very police chief who took the law into his own hands, some will say, and as a result of that was fired, the real issue that the police chief was
trying to address is not being dealt with. so mayor pete, again, is avoiding doing a kind of wiggle free from the central issue here. how do we adjudicate competing claims between the police department and the citizens of this city, south bend, who claim that they have been victims of racial bias. and let me say this furthermore. the man who was accused, the police person who killed mr. logan, was already cited for vicious behavior and out of control behavior to begin with toward african-american people. so we have a history here that has to be acknowledged. you can't just dismiss it, you have to deal with t. >> if you're just joining us here in the newsroom, we're watching this town hall underway in south bend, indiana, to the right is the south bend, indiana, mayor pete buttiegieg. to the left is the police chief there, scott