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politics but not from reality. this period we're all living together right now is going to be remembered for a long time and people will be counted, what they stood for, what they good against, and absolutely those who stood still. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with the one and only d. lemon starts right now. >> one observation, when you were playing the sound bite -- wasn't the same paul ryan. one had a beard. the other one didn't. >> it's the same person. >> oh, okay. >> good thing you won those spelling bees. what else is on your mind there,there, co-jack? >> you know what i want to say, right? i want to keep my job. >> why should tonight be any different? >> you're not such a great -- okay, so you went after the president on his spelling. >> no, no, no, i'm not going after the president. >> you're just pointing it out. >> he said that i'm a really good speller. >> he also said he was the best
looking, handsome and -- >> that's subjective. you think you're good looking, fine. you think you're a good speller but you keep spelling things wrong all the time, i can't give it to you. i'll give him incredibly persuasive. i'll give him that he plays the media like a fiddle. i'll give him a lot of things. he's delivering on his promise. he's got a base that is ridiculously forgiving. >> have you seen your soduku. it's funny sometimes. >> why are you playing with your sal sally jesse glasses? >> sally jesse rafael actually did really well with those glasses and so am i. >> you're making a mockery of them. >> what do you mean have i seen it? i do it. what are you trying to say? if you want to take a shot, take
a shot. >> i think it's funny sometimes. when i need a good laugh at night, i'll go to your instagram. >> i think you're itching for a fight. i think you're spoiling for a little friction. >> are we going to have to get after it? >> i'll see you soon enough, my friend. you laugh now, cry later. >> hey, listen -- >> yes, sir. >> family's back and they went right back to a possible hurricane. can you believe that? >> i know. listen. one of the big frustrations is that place has done so little to deal with what is so obvious. >> yeah. >> in its topography. and it's so sad because the same areas -- you grew up in it. those of us who knew it through the coverage. i must have been down there 15 times over the years to cover this. it's the same situation every time. it's a basin. the water's coming in now. you see the pictures of the woman who barely escaped holding her two kids running through the floodwater. the worst is yet to come. >> worst to yet to come. i've been talking to my family all day. they miss you already. not really, but --
>> you see? >> got to go. >> you see? you're just buck nasty. >> see you later, christopher. >> see you, buddy. >> take it easy. this is cnn. i'm don lemon. you know, look, this is the headline. the president and his administration that they have been tying themselves up into knots trying to avoid. they wanted to avoid this particular headline. he's backing down on the census citizenship question. he won't admit it. can't admit it. not to his base. but that's the fact, okay? i'm just giving you the facts here, whether you like it or not. the supreme court blocked him from adding the question to the census. he tried to do an endrun around that but he lost the fight. so today in a rose garden announcement the president said that he'll issue an executive order requiring government agencies like the irs and social security to turn over citizenship records they already have. but that is exactly what census
officials wanted to do in the first place. way back in january of 2018. are you hearing me? all of this -- the census people wanted to do back since january of 2018. and now he is portraying it as a victory, as something that he came up with. that's exactly what they wanted to do. i keep telling you don't fall for the okeydoke. but the president can't just admit that he lost. so what does he do? blame everybody but himself. >> i'm proud to be a citizen. you're proud to be a citizen. the only people who are not proud to be citizens are the ones who are fighting us all the way about the word citizen. today i'm here to say we are not backing down on our effort to determine the citizenship status of the united states population.
>> he blames democrats. >> as shocking as it may be, far-left democrats in our country are determined to conceal the number of illegal aliens in our midst. >> he blames the courts. >> the cases already in three federal district courts that have been, to be totally honest, extremely unfriendly to us. >> his own failure, really. a source close to the white house telling cnn tonight, "reminds me of the bad news bears." a different white house official said that the president's decision to drop the question was uncharacteristic. he doesn't like to concede anything. that's for sure. but there was one bright spot for the president in this whole thing, another dear moment courtesy of the nation's top lawyer. >> thank you, mr. president, and
congratulations on today's executive order. i applaud the president for recognizing his in executive order that including a question on the census is not the only way to obtain this vital information. congratulations again, mr. president, on taking this effective action. >> wow. sure knows his audience, doesn't he? what better way to get on the good side of the president, who just this morning in the middle of a twitter rant against a candidate who seems to scare him most, joe biden and elizabeth warren, he tweeted this. he tweeted about himself. that he, president trump, is so great looking and smart, a true stable genius. sorry. no, seriously, he tweeted that. let's just review the twists and turns, though, that got us here. incredibly, all of this happened in just the past two weeks,
okay? so follow along with me. first, the highest court in the land told the president that he couldn't put the citizenship question on the census because the administration's explanation, and i'm quoting the chief justice of the supreme court here, john roberts, he said this. "appears to have been contrived." so the court just plain didn't believe commerce secretary wilbur ross when he said the citizenship question was all about enforcing the voting rights act. because it wasn't. the president's response, tweeting a request to delay the snus. when that didn't fly and when the commerce started printing the census forms without the question, well, the president threw a twitter tantrum again and threw his own administration into chaos, insisting that he was absolutely moving forward. leaving them to try to figure out how. one doj attorney forced to tell a judge, "the tweet this morning was the first i had heard of the president's position on this issue. i do not have a deeper
understanding of what that means at this juncture." so enter the attorney general, bill barr, insisting on monday that he'd have a pathway for putting the question on the census in a day or two. that after the announcement, well, the entire legal team representing the administration on the question was being replaced. the very next day a federal judge in new york said not so fast. blocking the doj from swapping out the lawyers and in the process delivering another judicial smackdown. "defendants provide no reason, let alone satisfactory reasons, for the substitution of counsel." all of that chaos. the doj twisting itself into knots trying to give the president what he wants, a win for his base, and now here we are. the president backing down on the citizenship question. but going ahead with those threatened i.c.e. raids on nine
american cities beginning sunday and making sure everyone knows they're coming. raids expected in atlanta, baltimore, chicago, denver, houston, los angeles, miami, new york and san francisco. by the way, new orleans was on the list but that's been postponed with tropical storm barry predicted to batter the region this weekend. otherwise they'd be on that list, too. it would be happening. they are on the list but they've been postponed. "the new york times" first reported on the raid calling it collateral deportations with immigrants who happened to be on the scene even though they were not targets of the raids. "the times" also reports agents have expressed apprehensions about arresting babies and young children. arrest babies and young children. i would hope that people would have at least some apprehensions about that. all that as we are learning
tonight that the labor secretary, alex acosta, the man at the center of yesterday's scandal du jour, well, he may be on even thinner ice tonight. sources are saying the president is questioning whether or not acosta's self-defense press conference yesterday, whether it was enough. you know the press conference the president told him to do? one source says aides tried to convince him that acosta had performed well, but he has since been asking people around him whether the secretary has really done enough to tamp down the scandal. maybe secretary acosta should talk to the attorney general william barr about how it's done around there. the president's concern -- his concern is reportedly not so much about how acosta handled the jeffrey epstein sweetheart deal, but more how it reflects on him and his administration. we've seen again and again. a scandal that would make headlines for weeks in any other white house gets drowned out in an administration that seems to
have a new one every single day. every single day. you wonder was today really to distract from the bad headlines from earlier in the weeker if we'll see what happens this time. the president and his attorney general claiming victory from the jaws of defeat. are you buying it? that's a question for nia-malika henderson, john dean and phillip mudd next. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey.rkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting.
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backtracking, backing down but still attempting a work-around and claiming victory. i mean, seriously, what is up here? >> you know, this was something that's very important to the president, right? elevating this issue about the census. elevating this issue about american identity and who can make claim to american identity, who can make claim to america's resources, who can make claims to being represented in congress. and this is obviously a theme that has been with him since the very beginning, right? if you think about the speech he gave in 2015 announcing his candidacy, right, it was all about him coming on the scene to protect americans against what he saw as the bad folks coming up from the southern border who were rapists and murderers. and i think this is sort of a bookend to that. it's still on this same theme of identifying these folks and prevent them from being treated equally in many ways. i mean, if you listen to that speech, he was almost suggesting that there would almost be some sort, like, federal registry
that the government would have track of who illegal undocumented immigrants are and thereby prevent them from getting a representation in congress. thereby prevent them from voting. something else he has been obsessed with, this idea that illegal immigrants are voting. so i thought in some ways it was a masterful kind of weaving together of all of these kind of stereotypes about illegal immigrants that are held particularly on the right and that the president has been sort of masterful in peddling. so i think it works for his base. >> right. >> that initial question was like, you know, this idea of e-ressure of american citizenship, right? are you an american citizen? i think in that way he was talking directly to those folks who feel like they're being blocked out by illegal immigrants. >> it worked for his base. it didn't work for the supreme court. >> right. >> it ultimately didn't work for him. what is the president's goal, phil, with determining the populations of citizens versus
noncitizens. why do you think it's so important to him? >> i think this is pretty simple. i think he's actually winning. >> yeah, i think so. >> the defeat in the supreme court. day one about a muslim ban, telling his supporters. >> you and nia sound like two -- like you're, you know, in stereo here. >> if i'm going to disagree with nia, it's going do be a difficult day. look, the point is from day one you go with the muslim ban. it's not about whether that ban works. remember, there is a lot of legal arguments against that muslim ban from day one. it's about telling his supporters people who don't look like you don't belong in this country. i represent you. in this case, it's not just about citizenship on a questionnaire, it's about telling supporters a year and a half before an election, regardless of whether or not the supreme court says no, regardless of whether i get blocked, we won. you have somebody who represents you to try to keep people who don't look like you, whether they're from guatemala or el salvador out of this country. i think even if he doesn't get the question on the
questionnaire, he offers the same response he offered 2 1/2 years ago. i represent you in trying to keep people out of this country. vote for me again. i think he's winning. >> yeah. >> interesting. john, let's bring you in. you heard the multiple -- john, before i ask you this question, do you think he's winning with this? >> i don't think he's winning. what his goal was -- what the effort to put the question on the census was because it would decrease the people who would respond to the census. in other words, the census really is counting people and not necessarily citizens. and by adding the questionnaire, are you a citizen, testing showed, and there was pretty solid proof of this in the lower courts, that this would depress the number of people who would respond to the census. and that's really to get a full count of how many people. so today's move he did not win. >> okay. >> in fact, that question not being on there means it will be
a good census in 2020. >> you heard, john -- go on. >> i think it will still depress folks answering the census, right? because in some ways he's framed the census as sort of an offchute of his government, right? in the speech today he sort of wedded the idea of all of this data collection and somehow was still going to be connected to the census and still connected to redistricting. so i think he wins on that. i think you're going to have folks who are afraid to cooperate with the census because, remember, this is also a government that is announcing all of these raids, right? you can't separate that from this census question. so he elevates the idea that there might be this question. and with all the sort of misinformation, if you're an undocumented immigrant, do you really want to cooperate with the census after the president has made such a, you know, topic of it over all these many months? >> that's a very good point. very good point. you heard the multiple congratulations from bill barr, though, to the president. i played some of them. if you were watching it, i sat there and i was like, wow.
did you find that strange, john? i mean, for one thing, they did fail to get the question on the census. >> it was pretty disgusting for an attorney general to be that much of a sycophant. right in public. and four times sort of kissing up to the president about what a great job he had done in failing to get this thing accomplished the way he wanted to, but now we've given you a back door that makes it look like you've got something when you really have got nothing. you know, from a -- it's just not the way the relationship between the attorney general and the president should be in public. if they want to have that private relationship, that's fine, but barr should show some cintilla of independence which he doesn't anymore. >> nia, i got to ask you something before i go back to phil. gloria borger said this flattery was a dear leader moment.
we've seen that before, but it's a little bit unsettling when it comes from the top lawyer in the country, no? >> unsettling, but in some ways not surprising for this attorney general. because he essentially campaigned for this job. writing that big mick mulvaney on the mueller investigation. on the job we have seen him sort of carry water for this president might be putting too fine a point on it. it wasn't exactly surprising. he has gotten the attorney general he got in bill barr. he finally ran off jeff sessions who he saw as disloyal. so i think we have in bill barr somebody who is an establishment figure but certainly toes the line and does what donald trump wants him to do. >> you always know where he is going to stand on an issue. i was surprised when, you know, as the press conference went on, phil, that, you know, as the attorney general kept talking, i said, well, he keeps saying we're not going to do this and it would take too long and it's not a victory, but he's trying
to make it sound like a victory. you know, it is -- it is so important, phil, for this white house to always look -- this administration to always look like they're standing strong on immigration. so when you look at the timing of all of this, the planned raids, right when he failed the citizenship question, is that -- is that a coincidence? is it a distraction? how do you see it? >> i don't see it as a coincidence. i see this as pretty simple. this is not about the law. this is not about the attorney general. this is about messaging. whether you're looking about what the president said about his relationship in north korea, this is a victory. i have a great friend in north korea. we're not going to have war. meanwhile, the north koreans have a nuclear weapon and they have ballistic missiles. this is about a victory in iran. we told them no on the iranian nuclear program, and meanwhile the result of the president trying to back down the iranians is we have a standoff in the arabian peninsula. this is about messaging, saying regardless of what happens in the real world, we won. regardless of whether the supreme court said no, we won. so bill barr is supporting the
president, saying i don't care what the facts are. tell the american people who don't read the news every day, we won, don. that's the story. we won. >> nia, i'm looking at your face. you're all of us tonight. that expression you're making, it's all of us. what's going on here? all right. thank you, guys. i appreciate it. i'll see you soon. it is the squad versus the speaker. alexandria ocasio-cortez accusing nancy pelosi of singling out women of color. is this really about race or is there more to this story and how is it all affecting the party? when the hot sun hits your ice cream
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the clash of the democratic caucus going public with congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez calling out house speaker nancy pelosi and telling "the washington post," and this is a quote, "but the persistent singling out, it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful, the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color." she's referring to herself and ilhan omar and ayanna presley and rashida tlaib.
the four call themselves the squad. let's discuss now. sarah jones is here as well as ayesha moodie-mills and rick wilson. rick is the author of "everything trump touches dies." hello. i love the finger on the cover. hello, one and all. thank you so much -- or the hand, right? i got it. ayesha, i'm going to start with you because manu raju, our reporter on capitol hill, caught up with alexandria ocasio-cortez and asked if she stands by her claim that the speaker is unfairly singling out women of color. this is what she said. >> it's really just pointing out the pattern, right? we're not talking about just progressives. it's singling out four individuals. and knowing the media environment that we're operating in, knowing the amount of death threats that we get, knowing the amount of concentration, i think it's just worth asking why. >> do you think she has a racial
animus? do you think she is a racist? >> no, no, absolutely not. absolutely not. >> do you think she's right saying that, you know, she's singling out or she's somehow targeting women of color? is she making a mistake by saying this? >> well, i don't really believe this is about targeting women of color. i mean, at the end of the day, i think that what is misguided about all of this is as you just discussed on your last segment, there are literally children at the border in cages right now, but the democratic caucus has infighting, and i think that what the democrats, biden, pelosi, what they risk doing right now is really a democratic self-voter suppression by dismissing, by disregarding the progressive energy and base that supports these women in the cavalier way. >> is it that big, though? >> i do think it's that big. and as someone who is part of the progressive energy, i feel a little bit dissed and disrespected by the way that she is me neglectinene neglecting t
and really invalidating what they have to say. what i fear come the general election is that people who support them, the progressive energy, is going to shrug their shoulders and not show up because this turns them off. >> it seems like you're shaking your head in agreement. >> i agree with ayesha. i think it's really counterproductive for speaker pelosi to pick this fight with the members of the democratic caucus right now. they're young. they have prominent followings. she should follow where the energy is. >> do you think she's picking a fight? >> i'm not sure how else to read her interview with maureen dowd. that seemed to ins gate a conflict where one had been to begin with. >> rick, i want to go to you. you put out a threat on twitter. saying if democrats keep up all this infighting, the only winner will be trump. give them some tough love now, rick. say what you mean. >> it's all i do, don.
all my love is tough. here's my concern right now. is nancy pelosi understands that the democrats right now control one thing. they control one half of the legislative branch. she recognizes also that about 25 of those new members of the 40 new members are not from districts that look like aoc's, they're from districts that look like katie porter or connor lamb. they're from moderate districts. they're from swing seats that they took from republicans. those seats are by no means ensured in the election. she's also smart enough to know that no matter who the democratic nominee is that this is a race in 35 states the campaign is already largely over. we pretty much know how mississippi is going to vote. we pretty much know how california and new york are going to vote. and a lot of the swing states that are going to be coming up no matter who the democratic nominee is are not as deep purple or deep blue, they're more purple, so there's going to be a moment where, you know, the
democratic nominee is going to have to appeal to people who are not just on the aoc part of the democratic coalition, which is, by the way, about 20 to 30% of the democratic coalition are hard progressives. just as about 20 to 30% of republicans are, like, super hard conservatives. and there is an actual middle in this country. you have to address it. just having progressive energy is great, but if donald trump isn't enough to get progressives to kick them in the ass and get them out to vote on election day then they should just form their own party and enjoy 32 years of, you know, trump family members holding the office. >> i don't necessarily agree with that. >> hold on. hold on. rick, you know who else agrees with you? donald trump jr. >> what's that? >> do you know who else agrees with you? donald trump jr. he put out an op-ed entitled "donald trump will win the democratic party civil war."
he claimed it won't be division, per se, but exists like alexandria ocasio-cortez are in charge of setting the party agenda. so how do you feel that, you know, you and donald trump jr. agree? >> well, donald trump jr. and i don't agree on a whole lot in this world, but somebody wrote that editorial. i'm doing this out of concern. he's just doing this out of straight up trolling. because they're in a mode of trying to stoke this further. and, look, donald trump will elevate people that they -- that they believe are going to do harm to the party's long-term image. look, when ted cruz came along in 2012, there were a lot of republicans who lost their minds and thought he was the second coming and basically he became this force inside the party that was a big divider. >> yeah. >> in a lot of things that they were trying to get done in the minority. and so there are some parallels between trump -- ted cruz and aoc in a lot of ways. very popular with the -- an edge of the base and, you know, very
aggressive as a new member. >> yeah. and you also have as a member of the tea party. go on. i know you want to jump in. what did you want to say. >> yeah, do i want to jump in. here's the thing, we're trying to denigrate these women, which i completely disagree with. >> who -- >> i'm not denigrating her at all. >> generally. the leadership, the conversation is, oh, it's only 20% of the democrats might be progressives. >> but that's facts, though. hold on. >> here's the facts. >> hold on and then i'll let you finish. i didn't mean it that way. but if you look at the actual demographics of the democratic party, it is more moderate than it is progressive. the people who actually turn out to vote are more moderates in the democratic party. the majority of the party are -- is moderates, centrists, and so i don't think he's denigrating, you know, he's just spewing a fact. and i understand -- i agree with you about the energy. you want the young vote. >> i don't agree with that strategically, though, and that's the thing. that i don't agree that we should be playing to the lowest
common denominator of the lowest possible turnout where the regular centrists just show up. when you think about the obama coalition of who came out to vote, which, frankly, is what we need to duplicate for the democrats to take back the white house, you got to actually incite what i consider to be the swing voters of the democratic party, which are young people, people of color and women who tend to lean more progressive and get animated and excited about progressive values to vote more regularly. so that they're actually skpapding. >> ayesha, all the women who came out in alabama to vote, those weren't necessarily progressive, those were centrist women who go to church on sunday and wear hats. >> in 2018 -- >> those are people who show up for caucuses. >> all of those democrats that switched those seats won because of the progressive energy of the electorate that increased turnout. that's exactly what happened. so from the women's march on, it was that energy in those moderate districts that flipped those seats. >> okay. >> sarah, we will get you in on the other side of this break. we won't just let these two
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back with me now, sarah jones, aisha moodie-mills and rick wilson. sarah, would you like to do some talking? here's what you write. you write in your "new york" magazine piece you write that speaker pelosi -- about speaker pelosi. you say the only legible explanation for her reluctance to investigate secretary alexander acosta or center trump is that she fierce a backlash that would cost her moderate members their seats. but if that's the case, she overestimates the risk. trump is an unpopular president and the disgraceful events of his tenure mobilized voters and flipped house districts. so you're echoing what she said, what aisha said. do you think that more aggressively pursuing the president, pursuing impeachment could hurt democrats in moderate
districts? what are you saying here? >> i don't believe so. i think that voters voted for democrats and flipped these house districts because they wanted the party to act as a check on the president. and there's really no other reason for them to flip those districts and they did. and at some point the party is going to have to decide whether or not it's going to exercise the authority that the voters handed to them or if they're going to continue to sit on their hands. it's all well and good that we're having these investigations, it's important, but if impeachment is completely off the table then it does seem like we're at an impasse. >> you know, when we were talking earlier about women of color and all that, that she's singling out. i mean, nancy pelosi has the support of the congressional black caucus. they're on pelosi's side. many, many members of the congressional black caucus. >> mmm-hmm. >> go ahead. >> you know, don, i just want to add to that. >> is that age, you think? is it a generational thing? >> i love the cbc.
they raised me. i used to work for them. i just want to offer, though, we're in an interesting generational kind of divide time right now. were the congressional black caucus does not represent the entire african-american electorate. and so i think that, you know, it's -- it matters when you look at 2016 and you look at younger black voters who went for bernie sanders and then didn't come back out and vote for hillary clinton, even though the cbc was all for hillary clinton. >> whoa, whoa, whoa -- >> we got to figure out how to speak to them. >> isn't there a lesson to be learned there? >> the lesson to be learned is that you don't marginalize ayanna presley's voice. >> hold on. it's not about marginalizing anyone's voice, the lesson is that you cannot win with a minority. you cannot win with a minority. that is the lesson for democrats, you cannot win by eating your own. maybe at this point you don't -- >> which is why nancy pelosi should stop eating her own. you make the point exactly. >> how is she eating her own when she is saying the best way
to win is by getting -- the only way that you win things is by having the majority. you have the majority of votes. you have the majority of states. you have the majority of the electoral college. you cannot win with a minority of the electoral college. with a minority of voters. with a minority of your party. >> democrats keep winning the majority of voters. >> the thing is and i say this every time, and this is abobservatian observation that i get every time. rick, help me out on this. at both conventions i sat here and reported on this entire election. every single republican hated donald trump. said he was awful for the party. awful for the country. that he -- hated him. and when he became the nominee, every single one of them fell in line. democrats were at the convention shouting "bernie, bernie, bernie," and hillary clinton lost. has anyone learned a lesson in
the democratic party from this? rick? >> no. look, if you're in a situation where your base as a democrat is not motivated enough by this point by donald trump to patch over whatever the little small ego bumps are, and not everyone's going to get everything they want, but this is an election we fought in about 11 or 12 moderate states that are not deep blue. they are not california. they are not oregon or washington or new york or massachusetts. they are places like wisconsin, florida, ohio, michigan, minnesota. they're places where democrats can win if they don't burn themselves down and they can win also -- and i'm not saying you have to abandon your principles. i'm saying you have to go into these states with a campaign hat is designed so that it doesn't scare off people in the center. because there are a lot of people in the center. and getting your base motivated -- if you're -- if you're part of -- if you're part of your
base, you know, like evangelicals with republicans have occasionally said we're going to walk away. we won't vote if you don't nominate so and so. if you're in that position where you're basically blackmailing your party and the result is donald trump, you've got to really examine your priors of how much you want to win. because if you want to win, sometimes you have to do things and take steps that aren't comfortable and don't get you the prizes you want all away, but you are dropping the radical pose to achieve the radical end. >> okay. to be continued. thank you all. i love this conversation. we can have it over and over and over again. thank you. >> yes. i.c.e. getting ready to begin raids in nine cities across the country targeting migrant families and thousands could be arrested. my next guest says it is going to wreak havoc. he is houston's chief of police. he's going to join me next. ly b. ♪ but i told ya... yo, jer! we gotta get to the show. ♪ i was looking for a sign. get on the bus.
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so fear is spreading in communities across the country as i.c.e. is preparing to launch deportation raids in nine cities on sunday. take a look at your screen there. one of those cities is houston, texas. i'm joined now by chief art acevedo of the houston police department. he's also the president of major cities chiefs association which represents 70 cities across the country. chief, i'm so glad you could join us tonight. your perspective is very important here. houston is one of the most diverse cities in this nation. how are people feeling there as word of these raids spread? >> well, there's a lot of fear across our migrant community. we're not one of the most diverse, we either most diverse city in the nation, so there's great fear in and amongst our immigrant community as to what's going to happen. i've had children come up to me at forums saying what -- i'm afraid to go to school.
i'm afraid to least house. i'm afraid to come home and find that my parents are gone. these are american children, u.s.-born children so it's creating havoc in our community. >> what do you tell them? >> and our job is to -- >> what i try to tell them is look, first and foremost make sure you obey all criminal statutes because we remain hopeful in a i.c.e. will do what local law enforcement does and in a world of limited resources and focus on dangerous people, on people that are committing violence offenses out here. >> what do you tell the children? >> and we'll also tell them -- we tell them, hey, first of all you need to go to school and secondly don't worry about the adult issues, you know, because you've got to encourage these kids, you know. your parents will be fine, and -- and you try to allay those fears but those fears are real, and when we make pronouncements that we're going to go round up a million people, all that does is create havoc and quite frankly it pushes people further into the
darkness -- further into the dark and further outside of the realm of society which means we have a heard time investigating crime. >> yeah. well, listen, the "new york times" is reporting, and sort expressing what you say there, that some agents have apprehension about taking babies and children into custody, and you told our ed lavandera that you prefer to chase crooks and not cooks. >> yeah. >> are these raids targeting the wrong people, do you think? >> yeah. well, you know, i think we should be chasing crooks, not cooks. we've got gang members. here in the city of houston, houston is a very welcoming city. the mayor welcomes everyone who is here to live responsibly and earn a living and we do work with i.c.e. as it deals homestand security going after real hard criminals. we're just hopeful that we don't create greater problems for society by separating families. families belong together. they certainly don't belong apart, and i think you add insult to the wound and salt to the wound when you announce these starting on the sabbath
which is sunday which for a judeo-christian society runs contrary to everything that we stand for. >> mm-hmm. is that -- is that -- do you think that's strategic? >> yeah. look, we live in an era in society. i listened to your previous segment when it comes to politics. too many elected officials are more worried about political theater and feeding the base, and that's both sides of the equation, right? we're going to deport 2 million people to feed the base. going to start on a sunday to feed the base on the right and on the left you've got the other idiocy we're going to get rid of i.c.e. they are not going to deport a million people, 2 million people because it would destroy our economy and we're not going to get rid of i.c.e. because i.c.e. plays a role and its role needs to be based on threat assessments and based on public safety. >> chief acevedo, i know you're busy. it's an interesting time for you. thank you so much. we really appreciate you joining us here. >> thank you. take care. >> yeah. leading candidates for democratic presidential
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candidates, especially those who are trailing in the polls. the leaders trying to differentiate themselves from each other and take on president trump. senator cory booker says this tonight to anderson cooper while i.c.e. agents are planning immigration raids beginning sunday. >> his fear-based politics is undermining the safety of communities all around this country where now you have immigrant communities who are afraid to even go forward and report crimes, sexual assault, violence, robberies to local police because they are afraid of being deported, afraid of dropping their kids off for school. this fear-based culture, it's a toxic thing that he's doing. >> the former vice president joe biden who is leading in the polls slamming the president's foreign policy. >> the world sees trump for what he is, indiana is seer, ill informed and impulsive and sometimes corrupt. dangerously incompetent and incapable, in my view, of world leadership and lhi