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thanks very much. top of the hour, good morning, everyone, i'm poppy harlow. >> and i'm jim sciutto. it's friday. how much time do you need to heal a political rift? well, maybe only 30 minutes or so. house speaker nancy pelosi leaving her highly anticipated meeting with the freshman congresswoman alexandria ocascio-cortez, only saying these words, it went well. >> and she did say, right, that she'll say a little bit more today. she'll plain more during a news conference. that is happening later this hour. we'll bring that to you live. before that, let's get to jason carol on capitol hill. jason, i saw you chasing her yesterday. i saw you chasing aoc yesterday for some answers. >> reporter: yeah, chasing yesterday and again today. both ocascio-cortez and the speaker. and look, going into this meeting the speaker said she was looking forward to coming out of it. she said it went well. she said a little bit more when
asked if the two were able to resolve some of their differences, the speaker said we don't have many differences. well, of course they do, otherwise we wouldn't be where we are today, right? you look at the history of what's happened with these two, pelosi downplaying, some say aoc's influence, whether it be on twitter or otherwise. you've got the speaker criticizing the squad for not supporting the immigration bill. so there's been a lot of public back and forth. what's been interesting to see what's happened after this meeting is aoc has basically been avoiding our cameras. we've been in several locations trying to catch up with here. perhaps what we're trying to see here going forward is a clear message from one person about the outcome of that meeting. that one person is obviously going to be the speaker when she gives her briefing later on this morning, just at a little after 10:30 a.m. or so. poppy, jim. >> all right. we'll be watching. you keep chasing. jason carroll. thank you so much.
nancy pelosi will speak in a few minutes. this is most likely the last time we'll hear from her before the recess. >> you're going to see chairs spinning this afternoon as members leave to get home to their districts. na new raju is on capitol hill. manu, are you going to be there for the press -- let's be clear. the differences between aoc and the house speaker are real and substantive. i don't imagine anyone expects that a 20-30-minute meeting heals all the rifts. >> no, but you'll hear the speaker suggest that they're all on the same page. you're saying people are leaving. they've already left. congress is going for the six-week recess on the house side and what they're trying to do is frame a message heading into the recess. they don't necessarily want to talk about their divisions, they want to talk about their legislative agenda, their economic agenda, where pelosi has been trying to focus. even though the party has been divided on a number of issues, including the impeachment issue
and how to deal with the president and deal with the investigations, and frustration that the party is not doing enough in the view of democrats to hold the white house accountable. now, the house judiciary committee plans to announce later today that it will file a lawsuit to try to get information, grand jury information related to the mueller investigation. that is something that pelosi will point to as part of her fight in her effort of what she says is to try to hold the administration accountable. she wants to put the emphasis on going forward in the courts. but a number of members, including jerry nadler have privately called for an impeachment inquiry. have even floated the notion of drafting articles of impeachment. but pelosi says let's go to the courts first. one thing that we should look for in the weeks and days ahead is if the traning donald trump administration deis -- is
defiant on a court order. the window is closing soon on the impeachment probe because congress is gone and there's not much time before we head into the full swing of the 2020 season. at that point the impeachment window could be closed. >> it's coming fast. it's coming fast. manu raju on the hill. let's discuss with lee lair. you've both been around a long time. i'll begin with margaret here. what is the way forward in your view for democrats on this impeachment question? you know, look at the public polling on this, it's actually -- public support for impeachment has actually declined in recent weeks down to the 21%, begin impeachment hearings. these are registered voters here. what is your betting on what happens with an inquiry after the break? >> this has been pelosi's point of view the entire time and it's now supported increasingly by
the polling and some extent by what happened on the hill this week, which is that this is an issue for voters to washing out. but internally inside the caucus you see that even after mr. mueller's testimony there are a number who want to go forward with it. so one aspect that they are considering is whether there's a way to kind of split the difference. can you have the judiciary committee go ahead with an inquiry. there has to be some sort of a steam valve for the base and those who are most committed to impeachment to feel that they're getting something. but pelosi has remained pretty vigilant in the idea that moving forward full steam ahead could really blowup both the democrats' reelection efforts. so i don't see any evidence. and if you're looking to president trump and twitter as a guide for how he feels, he doesn't seem to be as worried after the testimony this week. >> it was striking to hear
jackie spear say to jake tapper, we've got to do this or bust. and by the way, she said there are 20 or 30 democrats in the house who feel they should move forward with impeachment, but aren't doing so out of respect for the speaker. what do you make of that? that that many would keep quiet? >> well, i don't know if that's the exact number, but i know there is a group of democrats who don't want to be out on this if it's not going to happen. which is a thing that you see quite a lot in washington. there's often a race to be the number 21st that jumps on the bandwagon rather than be out there first. and particularly for some of these democrats who are from districts that are perhaps more moderate, i think there is certainly a political enter time not to be out in front of something that may not be happening. i think part of what's happening is a debate about politics and public opinion and how you change that.
pelosi thinks and tells her caucus that democrats can't move forward with impeachment because the numbers to support it aren't there. and they should not move forward with impeachment unless the country as a whole supports doing so. but other people in the caucus, you know, nadler, representative nadler, for example, in these private meetings say, look, democrats can move the country and they look at the numbers for watergate, which changed over time to support impeachment. and they argue that they have to take bigger actions, maybe even start moving forward with impeachment in the judiciary committee or start drafting articles of impeachment to begin to change public opinion. and it's unclear how this is all going to get resolved, but i think we'll start to get some hints depending -- after we see what these congresspeople hear from their constituents after the recess. >> denny heck made that comment about watergate to poppy over the last hour. margaret, you have this other division over just the broader direction of the party playing out in this conversation between
aoc and pelosi, but also in the democratic presidential race. how does that proceed in your view? does it continue as a very public family spat here as we go into 2020? >> absolutely, it will be the dividing line for the next two sets of debates, it will be one of the major axis on which the contest in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina are fought out. but i think with pelosi and aoc is really interesting, it's a testament to koisocascio-cortez sort of a generational personality, and i think the conventional wisdom has been that she's undercut nancy pelosi. but you could take a different argument that she's really raised nancy pelosi's game and allowed pelosi to move kind of into more of a centrist role where she's had to take on both trump and the very left-leaning
arm of the democratic base and it's allowed her to be sort of less dem onized. i don't know what variable it will have on the presidential base, but i do think it will have a bearing on how pelosi is able to control congress between now and the election. >> we are getting some reporting into us that apparently freshmen in the house had a meeting to try to sort through some differences. it seems like that leading up to the aoc and pelosi meeting -- and they could have met without all the public fan fare we're meeting. it was intentional to make this very public before the meeting. does it tell you those two things, that they realize missteps here about looking too divided? >> yeah. well, look, i think nothing unify ts democrats like president trump and the president coming out and
attacking the so-called squad i think helped rally the democrats and pull them together a little bit. and i do think margaret's point is a good one. there's something i find deeply hilarious about nancy pelosi who was for years and years the most highlighted person in the republican attack ads as the san francisco arch liberal is now the moderate in her caucus. there's something really ironic about that. i think this is an effort by democrats to present a more unified front. but the tensions are going to continue. you have a historically crowded primary, we're going to have starting next week, we're of course going to have the primary debate and then starting in september the race is only going to heat up. there's going to be monthly debates. all kinds of cattle calls and high profile events. and these divisions over whether the party should return to the obama area or start something entirely new and pursue these much broader progressive policy prescriptions.
that debate is only going to continue, even if it's sort of papered over in the house. >> you know what's interesting about that, is that both parties have gone through this drift. you look at someone like governor kasich who was from a very conservative wing of the parties now a raving moderate. that's the drift of the parties and it to some degree explains the division in the country. >> and how much more polarized we are now than any time at least in modern history. thank you. appreciate it. have a nice weekend. still to come, a new report reveals an unprecedented scope of russia's interference in the election. great reporting by david sanger and others at the times. all 50 states targeted and now other countries may be targeting the 2020 race here. >> you might ask where is the outrage or urgency? >> or the bills, jim. where is the legislation on this, right? >> simple steps.
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north korea says that its latest missile launches were intended as a warning to u.s. ally south korea. state media shared these pictures of the north korean leader, kim jong-un, overseeing the launch of those missiles. the u.s. military says the latest launch involved a new type of missile for north korea. >> meantime, cnn has learned that iran is testing a missile of its own. a u.s. official says the country test fired a medium range ballistic missile that traveled more than 600 miles. barbara starr is there on this story. a new type, barbara? >> reporter: yeah, a new type of missile in iran, as you just mentioned, poppy. but let's go to north korea
first for a second. this is one where the south koreans are saying now that the north koreans launched two missiles, short range ballistic missiles that they believe went further than initially assessed. so that's going to be a concern. what kind of improvements in precision and guidance are the north koreans making in this missile? it's a missile that they believe and the u.s. does not disagree with them, may have russia origins. so again, the missiles that north korea fired may not have been particularly new. they may be of russian origin. but the question, of course, is what is kim jong-un doing to improve those missiles and improve his missile capability? >> and what is russia doing by supplying again missile technology to north korea there. the president has said that these are smaller missiles, therefore indicating he's not concerned. but to be clear, their ranges put u.s. treaty allies, both south korea and japan, within
striking distance. >> reporter: well, certainly south korea right away, of course, because almost anything north korea has would be within range of south korea. obviously depending on the launch point in north korea. so that's a big concern. and that's really what they believe kim is doing right now, sending this message, i still have capability, i can put you at risk. the president of the united states may be trying to downplay it so he can keep his views that there are really negotiations, he can keep those views going in the world community. he can continue to say that. but north korea definitely sending that message to south korea and japan, that they still have a capability to launch and it's a message i would say is being heard. >> and barbara, before you go, now back to iran where a u.s. official at least is saying that they have test fired a medium range ballistic missile? >> that's right.
and this was launched inside iran, it landed in iran. so this test firing itself was not a threat. but, and it's a huge but, this is iran doing the very same thing, improving the range and guidance on its ballistic missile inventory. president trump has wanted these missiles included in any future restrictive negotiation with iran about the nuclear weapons program. these kinds of missiles, right now iran has not agreed to any of that. and this again, much like north korea, a message from tehran we have this missile capability, we're launching and testing it and we're doing what we can to improve the guidance, range and technology of these missiles. especially their precision. poppy, jim. >> barbara starr at the pentagon. meanwhile, president trump downplaying the recent missile tests. he's often cited the cessation
of missile tests that the negotiations with north korea are working. >> are you on the white house lawn? >> yeah. the president seems unfazed by the testing. he's downplaying it and minimizing it. saying in an interview with fox news last night that he just doesn't seem concerned about it. >> and in the case of north korea i'm actually getting along very well with him. but we'll see what happens. the sanctions are on. the hostages are back. we're getting the remains back. they haven't done nuclear testing. they really haven't tested missiles other than smaller ones, which is something they tested. >> the president said they are still getting the remains back of u.s. soldiers. that is not the case. we know that the pentagon has suspended those exercises after talks with the north koreans essentially fell through. but the president is downplaying this saying they're smaller. that's certainly not the way
south carolina says it. especially as north korea says this was intended to send a strong warning to sok ahead of the planned exercises with the u.s. you can see the discrepancy between how the president views it and how a close u.s. ally is seeing there. >> so to be clear, the president lied last night on fox when he said that the remains returns are continuing, when in fact the pentagon says they have stopped? >> unless something has ranged in recent weeks, it has not. but when the president went to dmz, our reporting showed that actually the pentagon had suspended those exercises to try to get those remains back. they had gotten a few back. there's so much scientifically that has to happen when remains do come back to the united states. but then u.s. officials said their calls were going unanswered by the north koreans after the talks broke down after the second summit with kim jong-un in vietnam. >> kaitlyn, thank you very much on both of those front. so to the 2020 race, joe
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democratic presidential debate. his campaign saying that they have learned from the first debate and are now shifting strategy. you may remember senator kamala harris gained on him in the polls after her sharp attack on the former vice president went viral. happening now, senator harris is speaking. you see her at the national urban conference in indianapolis where she's announcing a plan to boost african-american businesses and schools. cnn senior national correspondent who has been covering the senator and interviewed her as well is live in indianapolis. tell us what her message is today. >> she's going to be sticking very much according to her campaign to what you just talked about, her plan of a black agenda policy. talking about $60 million into stems, historically black colleges and universities, as well as a $12 billion
investment. what we're really interested in and trying to see if we can pick up any cues on whether or not the senator will be taking a different posture in advance of the democratic debate. you just mentioned that we are seeing a much more aggressive joe biden on a daily attack making sure that he's going to be aggressive, being up front, listening to the attacks that have been incoming from senators cory booker as well as kamala harris and making sure that he is knocking that down on a daily basis. but as the senator here, as senator harris has just begun, her remarks here to the national urban league, she is not mentioning joe biden's name. the campaign says she's not going to specifically say his name in these remarks, jim. >> we'll see if she sticks to that during the debate next week. thanks very much. >> all right. presidential candidate also, pete buttigieg, is headed to iowa today. he will undoubtedly taught his
new economic plan. he's taking on big tech in a big way. his plan is to try to protect workers, calling out some of the biggest tech companies like google, lyft and jessica has been tracking the campaign. she joins me now. this has been a big talk recently about contract workers for these companies that make less money, don't share the same benefits, yet help them succeed. is that part of his concern? >> yes. it's exactly part of his concern. this plan is really aimed at protecting the american worker, but he really puts in the hot seat companies like lyft, google and uber. and some of the top line items of this policy are really interesting. he wants to make it that all american workers can join a union. he wants to introduce mull tie million penalties for employers who interfere in elections and worker rights. and he wants to call for legislation that makes apps at
every large company public. he does name these companies by name and he says that these companies are using contracted workers which doesn't allow them to receive the benefits of full tooim employees. he wants the contractors to be able to unionize, collective bargain and he wants to make it so the companies have to go through a set of guidelines that make sure that they are ticking off all the boxes in terms of whether or not their employees are really contractors. >> there was a big spread in "the new york times" about google specifically and google's policy has changed where all of those contract workers make at least a certain wage and have the same benefits. but they're not seeing that change all across the sector. before you go, he already spoke at the national urban league this morning where we hear kamala harris right now. buttigieg's struggle has been african-american voters. so this is obviously a play to try to get those numbers up? >> reporter: he wants to be there. he's continuing to roll out his
douglas plan. he's polling very low about african-american voters, especially in south carolina. joe biden is at 51%, buttigieg down at about 1%. but at the conference he's continuing to talk about reforms for education, health care, criminal justice and voter rights. >> suppressing the black vote made my life worse, because i've got to live under this presidency. >> interesting way to put it. >> reporter: and now as we see more candidates roll this -- these types of plans out like kamala harris, joe biden, the candidates are going to be able to take a look at each others' plans and we're going to start to see them debate this more publicly. we'll see it probably next week at our cnn debate in detroit. >> vanessa, thank you for the great reporting. the cnn presidential debate is just a few days away. two nights, ten candidates each night, live from detroit and only of course right here on cnn. still to come, a stunning
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one of the things that was somewhat of a mistery to us at the time is why were they doing this? because they didn't appear at the time to have done any manipulation. i think the obviously answer is they were trying to gain future use. we never saw any evidence as we reported in our assessment of january of '17 any evidence of manipulation of voter results. >> right. >> not to say that it didn't happen. we just didn't see any evidence of it. well, we're faced with that expecter in my opinion in 2020, where if the russians so chose, they would have the option of perhaps infiltrating and manipulating data to actually change the outcome of votes. >> so doing recon in effect to give them the ability to mess with the results of an election? >> right, exactly. >> that's an alarming prospect. >> by the way, your book,
"shadow wars" is a great tutorial on just this kind of activity. this warfare, and you have to call it that that's actually ongoing as we speak. the other thing that concerns me is emulating -- em yu lagz by other states who would also have their own motivations for attempting to influence and manipulate our elections. the likes of, for example, iran or china. >> they see the success russia had and they want to get in on it. the department of homeland security cybersecurity chief chris krebs told a conference in new york and i'm quoting from him, we're not going to be caught flatfooted, we're today and prepared for 2020. in your view is the u.s. prepared to defend elections in 2020? >> i think we are clearly better than we were in 2016. no question about that. 2018, not necessarily in my view a good barometer, because the fact it wasn't a presidential
election and he it was so diffused. all members of congress and 33 senators were up for reelection. so we shouldn't beat our chest too much about relative success we had in 2016. 2020 is going to be a challenge for us. i am sure that all kinds of measures have been taken. i still worry, though, about the inconsistencies between and among the 50 states, many of whom are very jealous about their prerogatives for managing and protecting the voter apparatus. >> you were around in 2016 when the obama administration went to the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, and asked for a bipartisan statement about russian interference in that election. the majority leader refused. and since then in recent weeks, months, and even the last few days, has blocked legislation that would increase election security. there were bills earlier this week on the same day as mueller testimony to make it -- to
require that folks report foreign offers of interference to the fbi, blocked in the senate. in your view, is mcconnell choosing party over country? >> well, i don't know exactly what the motivation is. i will just posit the reaction of then president-elect trump in january of '16 who was very skeptical about our reporting. very difficult for him to acknowledge that the russians meddled and successfully so in the election of 2016, because obviously that cast doubt on the legitimacy of that election. and i think that is what is inhibiting republicans who don't want to incur the wrath of the president by casting doubt on the legitimacy of that election. which is regrettable, because the bigger stake here the buried -- the sangtty and security of the foundations of our political system. >> i've heard that explanation
from republicans and people who support the president, he can't acknowledge it because -- but i'm wondering without clear statements from the president even on something as simple as i'm not going to accept foreign help on this election, with that can the u.s. incredibly defend against this kind of interference? >> a lot has been done, i'm sure. i'm sure a lot has been done by the likes of the fbi and nsa and department of homeland security, et cetera. and i think probably a lot has been done on a state-by-state basis, probably not consistent. what's missing is the galvanizing effect that can only come from the presidential bully pull pit by calling the public's attention not just to the security of the voter apparatus, voter registration rules and tabulation, but also what the russians did and others will do to manipulate social media to influence and manipulate opinion. and the president's voice is
missing and that's what concerns me about election security in 2020. >> and often sometimes amplifying those divisive messages. director clapper, always good to have you on the program. poppy, back to you. >> thank you, jim. so listen to this, parents, you have no doubt heard that vaping, those e-cigarettes is an epidemic among teens. so why was a class of ninth graders told that vaping was totally safe during an in-school seminar on e diction? coming up lawmakers are saying how juul is creating a new generation of customers. a true match means... no boundaries... ...between my skin and my foundation. true match from l'oreal. seamless, flawless coverage in 45 shades.
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for a group of teens caught on camera attacking two men outside a popular hotel. we should warn you this video we're about to show is graphic. >> it is, so take a look. in the video, the suspects overrun one man and push him down, then punch and kick and even spit on him as he lies curled on the ground. renee marsh joins us now. it's horrible to watch. what are the dc police saying about it? >> reporter: heartless, really. this morning police here in washington, d.c. are looking for these attackers. as you said, poppy, they are very young. they say that they're between the ages of 13 and 15. you can see in the video there that one teenager throws the first punch and that is when the man falls to the ground and then you see all the other teenagers join in. they're stomping him, they're kicking him, and then they disperse. this is all caught on surveillance video sunday around 1:00 in the morning outside the
washington hilton. and if you wait for just a second, you see that one woman, the teenager there, it looks like she ran back just to spit on the guy as if he hadn't been through enough in that moment. police also say he was the -- the victim was with a second man who was also attacked. it is unclear at this hour why these teenagers chose to attack these two men. according to the police report, that second victim, he tried to intervene. he was screaming that's not him. you have the wrong person. and that's when the teenagers all dispersed. >> it is horrible to see. i know the dc police are on this. let's hope that they find those accountable. thank you for the reporting. and thank you all for joining us today. nancy pelosi is speaking with us right now so stay with us for the details about the meeting with congresswoman alexandria ocascio-cortez. i'm poppy harlow. >> and i'm jim sciutto. at t"at this hour" starts right.
>> hello, french, i'm fredricka whitfield in for kate bolduan. at any moment we will hear from house speaker nancy pelosi. she will be talking to reporters after her meeting with alexandria ocascio-cortez since their private feud went public. the speaker said earlier the meeting went well and tweeted out a picture of them together right there. we expect pelosi to also answer questions about the democrats' path forward on impeachment after the mueller hearings. at least 96 house democrats are calling for it, but pelosi is still hesitant to give it the green light and is leaving it up to other democrats to do their own thing. cnn's lauren fox and jason carroll are on capitol hill. so lauren, let me begin with you. what are you hearing this morning on the impeachment fight and the next steps democrats are preparing to take to court? >> well, house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler plans to go to court today to