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counselors. if it isn't right, just reach out to us. >> the former sheriff said that -- sort of questioned civilians wearing body armor like that, wearing vests, ballistic vests. i'd say the same about civilians buying assault weapons. we tried an experiment in this in the human brain, billions of nefor people with parkinson's, country for about ten years of a some neurons change their tune, ban on assault weapons and it causing uncontrollable tremors. didn't get every assault weapon off the street but it did make a now, abbott technology can target those exact neurons. difference. there are probably hundreds if not thousands of people alive restoring control and harmony, today that might not have been once thought to belost forever. alive if we hadn't passed and the most personal technology is technology with the power to change your life. had a law prohibiting the purchase of assault weapons. those are not weapons for hunting. we don't question people having a gun to hunt. we don't question people having a gun to protect themselves. but civilians carrying assault
weapons, it just again speaks to hello again, everyone. the courage of the with pistolsr thank you for joining us this sunday. i'm fredricka whitfield live at weapons but nothing like taking the cnn world headquarters in on a guy with an assault weapon. atlanta along with my colleague, why do we put our police in that jim sciutto, in el paso, texas. situation too where civilians we begin with two american carry these weapons of war. cities reeling today and a it's an unfair match by any stretch. nation devastated. a pair of mass shootings. one in el paso, texas, at a >> senator portman, a question for you, sir. walmart on saturday afternoon. the other in dayton, ohio, the 2019 rate, there's going to overnight which left a combined total between these two be a mass shooting tomorrow and every day after this. shootings, 29 people dead and more than 50 injured. you mentioned that you're sure this horrific bloodshed taking something more can be done. do you have a day in mind or a place in the span of just 13 plan in mind, something to address these issues? hours as leaders across the country struggle to make sense >> well, as i said earlier, i of the violence. think it requires a >> this is a heart-breaking comprehensive approach because tragedy. the tragedies you're talking it is the type tragedy that you about, each is different. we don't know all the facts here yet, but what we do know, which pray never comes to your state or to your community. i've seen in public reports so i >> my mom grew up here, my dad went to college here, i lived can say this, he shot his here when i was very young. it's been devastating for the
community. we are treating it at s a domesc sister. we know that in a short period of time, and you'll find out the exact period of time at 4:00, i won't tell you. but in a short period of time terrorism case and we will do what we do to terrorists which there was a burst. i've seen public reporting on is deliver swift justice. that, as to how many shots were >> my colleague, jim sciutto, fired. if that's true, that magazine of continues with our coverage out course would be illegal. of el paso, texas. so there's a law. jim, while some families are still trying to figure out and so do we need more laws? get answers about their loved yeah, we probably do. ones that they have not been and we did just pass something able to communicate with, are last year in 2018 to tighten the they getting answers or are the background checks. and i think there's a consensus now that we need background checks to make sure the wrong road, which is supposed to be a people don't have access to reunification center? weapons. you'll learn more at 4:00 about >> well, fred, the sad fact is that all these hours later, some whether he would have been caught up in that background families don't know if their loved ones are lying dead inside check or not. but my point is it's not just the walmart there, which remains about laws. it's about something deeper. a crime scene. it's the details of these shootings that can be most heart mental health was mentioned stopping. earlier. we have a crisis in this the local police chief saying country, there's no question that when he entered the crime seen there, he was overcome by about it. you know, people have talked the smell of blood. those are the details. about the depths of despair and they're disturbing, they're talk about the suicide rates and
shocking, but that's the nature of this violence. addiction rates and talk about 20 people dead in the span of a the mental health issues that few minutes. are causing some of these. now the unusual circumstances of that shooter turning himself in so this is a broader discussion voluntarily to local authorities. that needs to be had and, you he is now in their custody. but let's be clear about two things here. know, i hope when we get back, one, we are identifying him as a we will have that discussion. white supremacist. this is based on his social we'll have it at the state media postings prior to this level, we'll have it at every level. we also have to have it in our shooting in which he said that communities and in our homes and he was targeting mexicans here. in our hearts. he felt that his country was being overrun. that was his motivation. former sheriff, now we are also, as local representative plummer, talked authorities and federal about that. in almost every one of these authorities, describing this as cases, there is, as you look an act of domestic terrorism. back on it, some indication of a white supremacist, some families mental health problem. in some cases actually there have been investigations of individuals that unfortunately wondering their loved ones paid did not result in that person being treated the way he or she the ultimate price here. i'm joined by ed lavandera who's should have been. parkland is an example of that. been covering the story and was we don't know in this case yet here hours after the shooting. enough. but again, from public reporting what are we learning at this hour now first about the shooter? >> well, we know he has been and what former sheriff, now booked into the jail on capital representative just told us,
murder charges, which now means there were indications he could very well face the apparently. death penalty if prosecutors intend to do that. so how do we -- how do we in there's also a federal terms of prevention, how do we investigation that is ongoing as identify those individuals, get them the help they need, which well. on a second track, if you will. is mental health treatment, what kind of charges emerge from which is sometimes with these that is unknown at this point red flag laws and other things but that's obviously something we'll monitor closely. to literally keep them in a you know, that work continues in there and that is a gruesome scene. situation where they can't harm the police chief's comments. others. sometimes that means incarcerating. so there are -- there are needs there's still a number of people for us to look at this on a waiting to hear from their loved broader basis. ones. one family in particular we >> mr. turner, you've been spoke with, they're looking for working on the issue obviously their 86-year-old mother who they spoke to who was in the checkout line inside of walmart. in congress. >> a host of emotions being she was on the phone with one of her relatives four minutes described by these leaders of before the shooting erupted. dayton, leaders of ohio. they have not heard from her. it's been now more than 24 you heard from senator sherrod hours. >> and why would authorities not be able to give them information brown saying there is anger in now? have they not identified some of our country that he's feeling the victims here? that nothing is being done, from >> i think that's part of it. i think the local authorities are trying to be very sensitive senator rob porter using the word shocking, unspeakable, to how they kind of talk about
tragic, and of course saying so this particular issue. you can imagine what the scene much needs to be addressed. he's willing to get back to inside there looks like. business, anxious to get back to so they said they were asking business after the august recess people for patience. that is a tedious and gruesome in which to address some of these things. and then from republican representative mike turner scene they are having to go saying these things need to be through so there could be an element of that delaying this. addressed. perhaps legislatively, they aring to the forensic work in there. culturally and as a community. all this in response to a tragic we've talked to a number of local officials who are upset shooting taking place in dayton, about the way all of this is ohio, overnight just 13 hours being talked about. we spoke with a man by the name after another mass shooting in of paul garcia, who is a local el paso, texas. law enforcement officer. he also serves on a school and now we're seeing disturbing board. he's a local politician. surveillance video coming from he was getting very frustrated that shooting in ohio just with the way some politicians are talking about this. moments before and during the shooting taking place and then he says anyone who is not calling this what it is is doing immediately after. you see right there, people just this entire crime a disservice. going about their business there >> calling it what specifically? in the busy district there of >> he wants it to be called nightclubs. then scrambling, running for domestic terrorism. this is an act of white cover and many falling to the supremacists. we have a little bit of tape. ground there. i'll let him fill in the blank at least 27 people hurt. there. >> i want to challenge my we know now nine people killed, colleagues, all elected officials in el paso, including
the mayor of el paso to come out including the sister of the gunman who was also taken down and say what this is. by police who responded. say it for what it is. we have got to stop the law enforcement immediately political talk. we've got to let the community within a minute of this taking place. know exactly what's going on. officials there commending the this was a hate crime by a white rapid response of law enforcement. supremacist that targeted our polo sandoval is there in dayton people here in el paso because where we are hoping to get even more information about the we are hispanic. shooting, the gunman, later on and when our leaders or the today at a 4:00 briefing that mayor of el paso does not come the mayor was speaking of. out and say that, people lose what are you learning? faith. i firmly believe that our >> and, fred, to use the words leaders set the tone for any that were just used a little while ago by officials, we kind of organization, any city, expect in the next 30 minutes a and for our leader to say something like that is not only more comprehensive look at this investigation. that could potentially be a irresponsible, it's disgraceful. >> so i think that's one of the closer look at what could have elements a lot of the people are led to this. what was the motive involved in dealing with. this shooting that led to the they live across the border from deaths of nine people. one of the most violent cities as you hear from lawmakers, in the world but this is a that's just one of multiple community that always prided itself on being one of the components here that offer awe very chilling look at not just safest places in america. so being confronted with this what happened overnight but what happened a few hours ago when kind of violence is really some of the lawmakers made it jarring for many people. past this yellow tape for a
>> and talking about a closer look at the scene of the connection, i spoke to the state sidewalk here on fifth street in senator, jose rodriguez, who downtown dayton where it all represents this area and he said the same thing. happened. you heard one of those lawmakers the words coming from describing this as a thriving washington, specifically from the president, help feed in his commercial area, full of bars view this kind of anti-immigrant and restaurants and shops. on a saturday night you can bet that it was packed so it behavior, anti-immigrant animus and behavior. certainly is a sharp contrast ed lavandera, good to have you with what that lawmaker, that here. we have a live press conference senator from ohio witnessed when now with authorities in dayton, ohio, the scene of yet another teams in hazmat suits were scrubbing down that historic mass shooting just in the last street, removing that blood in 24 hours. an effort to open it back up to the public to try to establish a >> at 2:00 i was very appreciative that senators brown, senators portman and small measure of normalcy while the families of these nine congressman turner as well as people begin to grieve. u.s. attorney ben glassman, the the tough task is still ahead as fbi and atf came together for a they piece this investigation briefing with chief beal and together. they have hinted that they are very close to pinpointing a chief carper. possible motive. we then walked to the scene of a little while ago investigators the site in the oregon district so the senators and congressmen fully released the identities of could get a good sense of all nine victims. the youngest one 22 years old, exactly what happened on the ground. and i want to say how much i the sister of the victim. among those nine also the appreciate their support and boyfriend of that sister and the oldest victim 57 years old.
their calls and what can i do here at the scene right now in questions during this day. that historic downtown street, it's meant a lot to me there is an effort now to try to personally and i know it's meant a lot to the citizens of dayton. clean up the street, try to with that i'd like to invite restore that sense of normalcy because the people in this community certainly need that so they can begin that very difficult path to healing. senator sherrod brown to come the last note i should mention, forward and say a few words. a little while ago i spoke to >> thank you, mayor. this is obviously a very dr. lauren smith from grandview difficult time for this community and i so appreciate hospital. she was one of many medical especially police and fire and experts that saved the lives of the rescue operations, how some of these people. she described for me the chaotic scene inside the emergency room. quickly the police department, police officers on the scene so however she and her fellow medical staff using her steady courageously stood up and did the right thing and saved hands, their steady hands to save these lives. literally potentially hundreds as you just heard a little while of lives with the amount of ago, fred, the death toll may ammunition the shooter had and have been nine but had it not how quickly they responded and been for the quick actions of how -- what a short period of law enforcement here and medical time from the first shot to the staff a few blocks away from last shot. so it really does tell me a lot here, we could have seen a casualty number that would have made it into the double or about local public servants, possibly triple digits. >> and this one horrific enough police and fire and rescue at nine dead. operations. we had the mayor tells us 20 -- polo sandoval, thank you so
much, appreciate it. joining me right now is cnn i believe 20 first responders crime and justice reporter from the region came in addition to the six or seven from the shimon prokupecz. city of dayton that arrived all shimon, what are you learning within 20 minutes to save lives. about this dayton, ohio, so that's what local communities shooting? officials there saying there will be another briefing later do which come together like on. not a lot has been revealed this. the mayor took us all to walk about this suspect. the name, the age and that among through the oregon district. it's in many ways the center of the nine his sister was killed. dayton in terms of evenings and >> yeah. that was one of the things that we did learn in the last hour was that his sister was killed small businesses. every single business in that in this. area just about is locally owned we don't know why. and with the vibrancy of local it's not entirely clear if he ownership and what that means was targeting her or if she and they're all coming together, as they will tonight at the somehow got caught up in this crowd. that's all going to come out i vigil. but for the next many days the think in the 4:00 press way dayton came together after conference. the police saying that they're the tornado and in dealing with going to provide more the kkk rally a few weeks ago. information, more details about what happened. so it sounds like at 4:00 we are my first talk with the mayor going to get a lot more today, the first thing she told information. we're not going to get answers me other than expressing the to everything. i don't know that motive is going to be explained there. grief and the heartache of i think it's a little complicated in this situation, unlike what we have seen in el gotten literally dozens of
paso. i don't think this is as clear texts, emails and phone calls cut. we've seen some hints from some from mayors around the country, of the elected officials who just spoke that there may be almost all of whom have had information about the type of something like this happen in their communities. ammunition that was being used so our first response, i'll here, the magazines that were speak for myself, connmy first being used here. one of the officials seemed to indicate that maybe something in that was illegal. response is sadness and prayers he wouldn't get into it, but he for the community and families, did say we were going to learn more about it at 4:00. including police and fire how the other thing i think at 4:00 we're going to learn is the they respond in the weeks ahead from the trauma they have seen heroic efforts that were as public servants. undertaken by law enforcement, my next thought was anger at our by the police who were on scene country and society and congress within a minute and were able to for not doing anything about this. the house of representatives has engage the shooter and take him passed a bill to do background down. so we'll hear a lot about that. checks overwhelmingly but i think the big question that's on everyone's mind bipartisanly. i have called on senator obviously, given what happened mcconnell to bring the senate in el paso, is this in any way back into session. we can pass that in one connected, did that spark this, afternoon, background checks. did this bring -- did this -- the president of the united states could sign it that day. did that somehow play a role in there's just no reason we the thinking of this shooter. i don't know if we're going to shouldn't be doing that. so we certainly pray for the get those answers today. there's still a lot more work victims and care about the that needs to be done.
victims, but congress needs to the fbi was at his home. do something. our state legislature again they were there for a couple of woefully inadequate in dealing hours. they did search warrants and with gun violence also needs to removed items, so they are very much involved in this investigation as well as the one react and respond in the right way so that these incidents just obviously in el paso. so we're going to learn a lot don't happen week after week probably here in the next half after week after week in our hour but i don't know that we'll have all of our questions country. >> thank you, senator. answered. >> so that gunman in dayton was next i'd like to invite senator killed, 24-year-old connor portman to come forward to say a few words. senator brown came from betts. cleveland, senator portman came 22-year-old sister among the from cincinnati and i'm just nine who were killed and we heard officials say betts was absolutely amazed by people coming here to get here as soon as possible. wearing body armor at the time senator portman. >> the miami valley is in of the shooting as well. and then to el paso, texas, mourning today after the tragedy where the mass shooting that of last night's shooting. took place 13 hours before what we did walk down to the oregon unfolded in dayton, ohio. we are still looking for more district and we saw what has information on that. what are your sources telling been a thriving commercial you about the suspect who they do have in custody, there was a section of the city and saw lots manifest that does help of great small businesses. underscore his point of view, we also saw workers in hazmat what may have inspired this, his hate and that's why they are suits, as were ems personnel,
calling this domestic terrorism who were having to clean the at a minimum. blood off the sidewalk from the what else do we know about that tragedy of last night. case? >> well, we know that the suspect there has been shocking. shocking. cooperating with police, with unspeakable. investigators, homicide tragic. we also have seen this community investigators there in texas and he's been providing information respond, as they will for the so that could be what some of the holdup is and why we're not victims, for the mothers and seeing charges yet. fathers and sons and daughters he's been with him for several who were struck down last night hours and as the police chief and those who were injured. there said, he has been answering questions. so they have learned a lot. we've seen it here in this they have been able to piece a community just since may with lot of information, because of the kkk rally. his own words, things that he has said to investigators, to we've seen it as this community came together after the the detectives, and they're going to use those words against devastating hurricanes, which is him and they're going to use still an ongoing project. that to help build out their case. once charges there are filed by but i've talked to the mayor a lot about this and the mayor the state officials, we may really knows that i'm impressed learn more about what he was -- with what i've seen, how this what he has told officials and so i think that right now could community comes together and responds. and we saw it last night with perhaps be what the holdup is these brave police officers who because that's the next big thing next, what are the charges. in those charging documents, in the face of danger ran straight into it. hopefully we will learn more
you'll learn more about this at about their investigation and 4:00. what investigators have learned, all i can say is because we're and do they connect, do they not at liberty to talk about it and i think it's appropriate officially connect that that law enforcement provide the manifesto to him. do they say, okay, we finally perspective that you need on have enough evidence here to say this is his writing, these are this, but this courage was his thoughts, he did this. we already know that they are extraordinary and saved lives, probably hundreds of lives given treating this as domestic terrorism, as a hate crime, so they have enough there where the situation. they feel that they can at least there is also an effort going on in the community that i hope bring charges that involve that everybody will support, which is through the dayton community hate crimes, domestic terrorism. the other thing is we're going to see what does the department foundation. it's called the oregon district tragedy fund. it's a fund that's been set up of justice do. to help the victims. once state charges are filed, does the department of justice again, this community comes file their own hate crime charges against the shooter. together. i'll be making a contribution to >> and while these are separate it. i'm sure everyone will behind incidents, and again all those other questions should be me, and i know this community is answered about whether in any way there is a connection, going to come together and help these victims, those who were inspiration, ties, et cetera, here is a common thread just injured, the families of those from the layman here observing it. you've got very young men here. who lost lives. so this is -- this is a tragedy a 21-year-old suspect in el paso
that requires that kind of and then a 24-year-old young man response. my colleague, senator brown, has talked about legislation. involved in this dayton, ohio. we should also, of course, as we and again, you know, we've only figure out what happened here seen their age and we've seen learn lessons from it just as we their names and we're learning need to learn lessons from about their profiles. but at such a young age these others. are there more things that could be done? young men to have this kind of i'm sure there are. but i will say there's something anger, angst, to inspire and deeper going on here. and if you look at the suicide follow through with these kind of mass shootings. i mean that is very perplexing rates, if you look at the there. shimon prokupecz, i'll check addiction rates, this community back with you. thank you so much. has done a good job in still ahead, flags flying at responding to it, but it's been half staff at the white house now in mourning of the lives at ground zero in terms opioid lost in these two massacres. crisis as well. but some are now pointing if you look at the mental health crisis in our country today, fingers at the president for his rhetoric. there aren't enough laws, and in more on that after this. t miss y opportunity to n fact no law can correct some of the more fundamental cultural experience thrilling performance. problems we face today as a now at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. country. and the shooting last night is get 0.9% apr for 60 months on all 2019 models. an indication of that. so i look forward to working experience amazing at your lexus dealer. together with my colleagues to try to respond in the most
effective way possible, but we also have to look deep into our hearts and think how could someone point a gun at someone he had never seen or known and pull the trigger. thank you. >> thank you, senator. next i appreciate the senator's did you know even the cleanest looking cars can smell musty? ♪ that's because odors trapped in your car's soft surfaces donation to the fund that the dayton foundation has put get released, and are then circulated by your ac system. together. i know our community comes together and i know this will be to stop the cycle of odors no different than the other try febreze car vent clips. episodes we've had in the last febreze stops the circulation of musty air few months. next i'd like to invite by trapping and eliminating lingering odor molecules congressman turner to come forward and saying a few words. for up to 30 days of fresh, clean air. appreciate him calling me this plus, they come in a range of scents including extra light. morning and appreciate him being here as well. congressman turner. stop the cycle of odors in your car with febreze car vent clips. >> well, i want to thank the mayor for her leadership on this day of sadness for our brand power. helping you buy better. community. this is a strong community and i appreciate the mayor working diligently to pull everyone mike and jen doyle? yeah. together. also i want to thank and time for medicare, huh. congratulate the mayor and the i have no idea how we're going to get through this. police chief on the police follow me. presence that was in the oregon choosing a plan can be super-complicated. district last night. it was extraordinary that they but it doesn't have to be. were able to respond so quickly. unitedhealthcare can guide you through the confusion,
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we're in the games we're in the fight, so let me ask you this. we, the people, make the call. we don't work for special interest groups, we work for the people. so let's sit down and figure out a solution to this. it's mental health, it's guns, there's a lot of variables here but we've got to figure this out. so thanks for covering this and stay strong, dayton, we're in welcome back. we're continuing with this the game here. thank you. >> thank you. breaking news on two deadly mass shootings in america. both happening within a span of just 13 hours. the first in el paso, texas, at okay. deputy chief carper will come a crowded walmart where families forward to give any new information he may have. i think it will be pretty brief were back-to-school shopping. 20 people died and dozens of since we will have such a others were injured. detailed briefing at 4:00. the 21-year-old male suspect has >> thank you, mayor. been booked on state capital thank you for everyone's murder charges. the second shooting happening in patience. we do have a comprehensive look dayton, ohio, as people were at this coming up here at 4:00. enjoying a night out on the town the only thing i will add right in the downtown oregon district now, we do have a lost and found there in dayton. that's going to be established nine people were killed, including the gunman's own at the safety building downtown, sister. police shot and killed the 335 west 3rd street beginning at 24-year-old male suspect in less 10:00 tomorrow morning. than a minute of him actually
there were a lot of items that opening fire. were left in the oregon district, so if you could spread >> all the victims are from our the word to the public, if any own backyard too. items were left, they can come and so, you know, this is just and retrieve those beginning an immense tragedy. tomorrow morning. thank you. >> all right. you know, no matter where the questions. >> is there a word that you victims are from, they're would describe the people of victims, and our heart goes out dayton? you guys went back to the to the families. tornados, the kkk rally, this. but this is a miami valley tragedy. i heard the word resilience, >> live pictures right now of resiliency. the white house with flags is there something that sums up lowered to half staff in the the spirit of the people that live here? wake of these mat shohas shooti >> are you asking me? >> anyone. >> well, i will answer and then anyone else can answer. texas and ohio. the word i use for dayton is it political reaction was very quick. shortly after the el paso, has grit. and i think that that is a word shooting, the president tweeting this. shooting in el paso, texas, was that describes what this not only tragic, it was an act community has been through for of cowardice. the past 50 years, the grit of i know that i stand with the changing economy, the grit everyone in this country to condemn today's hateful act. when tough things happen. they come together. there are no reasons or excuses that will ever justify killing there's resilience in grit. but i think that that is what innocent people. makes us so strong and continues democrats in office and some who to make us resilient. are running for the presidency and so i'm -- i think that were quick to blame largely the describes dayton and its people in a way that i'm very, very president's rhetoric.
proud of. >> i want to say with more moral clarity that donald trump is >> and then you talked about the reaction, how the first responsible for this. he's responsible because he is responders really came to the need of everybody there. stoking fears and hatred and a lot of after the fact. bigotry. he is responsible because he's you talked about mental health failing to condemn white and gun violence. is there any way to proactively supremacy and see it as it is, prevent something like this from which is responsible for such a happening? we see it time and time again, significant amount of the terrorist attacks. but it's a question for anybody. >> we've had two presidents, the is there a way to proactively two preceding presidents who prevent it from happening? have dealt with terrible >> anybody have a comment? terrorism and mass shootings, >> you know, we need to do tried to heal, and this president doesn't. what's right. i don't -- i mean i know that a civilian walking around with white supremacists feel body armor, we call that clues. empowered with this president. why does a civilian have body i know that. it's clear they feel 'em bauered armor. somebody is not acting right and when he attacks people. has high-powered weapons, reach >> you don't have to use a lot out to them. we all know when somebody is of imagination to connect the having problems. dots here. we have to be a community and it is very clear that this kind support people. of hate is being legitimized let's start doing what's right. i watch some of the news from on high. and if that were not true, the president would be acting and conferences from the shooter's speaking very, very differently neighborhood and they kind of said the guy had some problems than what he's doing right now. >> cnn's kaitlin collins is at
but we fail to step upse the white house for us. what's your understanding about problems. whether the president is going the guy may need somebody to to do more than just tweet step up and give him a hand pr today? >> reporter: well, that's the question right now. so far over the weekend as the president has been tweeting about these two shootings, he stayed out of the public eye while he's been at his new jersey golf club. he has not had any public events in front of reporters but he stopped by several weddings held at the club on saturday night but that is the only time it appears that the president has been in front of people over the weekend while he's been at his new jersey golf club. of course that's going to change in the next hour when the president is expected to make his return to washington. right now aides say that's when the president could address reporters about these shootings in front of the cameras as he's at the airport getting ready to make his way back here to washington. of course right now the president hasn't within in front of the cameras. there are questions about what the president will say about his rhetoric that these democratic candidates are tying to some of these shootings and comments the president himself made in the
oval office where he said he did not see white nationalism as a growing threat. there has been all of these democrats making these ties. you saw beto o'rourke say earlier today to jake tapper that he does believe president trump is a white nationalist. of course as those comments are going on, we're seeing the president's own aides, including his acting chief of staff, mick mulvan mulvaney, saying the president is not to blame for these shootings. >> this difficulty that we face as a nation predates this administration by many, many years. you cannot be a white supremacist and be normal in the head. these are sick people. you know it, i know it, the president knows it. this type of thing has to stop. we have to figure out a way to fix the problem, not figure out a way to lay blame. >> now, the president is not only going to be facing questions about white supremacy but also about gun control and any kind of gun measures that the president favors. remember after the parkland shooting, that was when the president talked about banning assault weapons, talked about raising the minimum age to purchase certain weapons, some
stances that he later backed off after meeting with several officials, top officials at the national rifle association. so we're waiting to see what it is the president is going to say. fred, i should also note that right now our sources inside the white house are not tracking the president making any oval office address that you've seen some presidents in the past make after mass shootings. but of course things are fluid and that's something they'll be figuring out as the time goes by. >> kaitlin collins at the white house, thank you so much. we'll check back with you. of course as we begin to learn more about these horrible acts of violence, we're also learning about the many lives lost in the carnage. more coming up. ing well do often wake up with chest congestion? or suffer excess mucus? try mucinex 12 hour. the bio layer tablet immediately releases to thin and loosen excess mucus. and lasts for 12 hours. mucinex 12 hour.
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we are live in el paso, texas, outside what remains a crime scene inside the walmart behind me, victims still inside. family members still not certain of their loved one's fate. this just one of three mass shootings in the last eight days in america. last sunday in gilroy, california, yesterday here in el paso, texas, overnight in dayton, ohio. dozens of americans dead, dozens of americans injured and still recovering from their wounds. it is an all-too-familiar scene. the statistics so that attacks like this, acts of domestic terrorism, many driven by white supremacy, are becoming more
common. we're joined now by charles ramsey. he himself with long experience in law enforcement as police chief. chief ramsey, it's good to have you on today. i want to ask you -- >> thank you. >> -- as someone with such great experience in law enforcement what you are seeing here. the anti-defamation league, it says that attacks driven by white supremacy doubled in the last couple of years. the center for strategic international studies in washington, it found similar increases over the last decade. what do you see happening in this country, >> well, things are certainly getting worse. we're in a toxic environment now. the rhetoric you've heard on the part of many people, quite frankly, has really, i think, done a lot to spin things up a lot. but there has been a serious increase. this is a perfect example of it is el paso. it's very unfortunate, but it's very real. these websites that are out there, people being radicalized.
as a result of those websites. and something has to be done about it. >> it's interesting when you describe that pattern of being radicalized online, i've spent a lot of time in my career, and i know you in your work, dealing with incidents of international terrorism, lone wolf terrorism, driven by islamist beliefs. and the pattern you see there, very similar it seems to the pattern you see with white supremacists. folks go online. they're radicalized. they read postings. they make postings. they go out and buy weapons and they kill people. comparison can be made there, could it not? >> yeah, sure. a comparison can be made. the only difference is this is internal. these americans that are being radicalized and they kill other americans as opposed to overseas. and the numbers now have gotten to a point where it's pretty equal if not leaning heavier toward the u.s. side than it is the overseas side.
>> that's right. the numbers show greater incidents of white supremacist attacks than islamist inspired attacks. i don't mean you to a man with laum law enforcement. i've spoken to some and they say the president's rhetoric, anti-immigrant rhetoric, send them back rhetoric, makes the situation worse. and i wonder if you see leadership lacking from the top on this issue. >> well, i think everybody needs to pause and realize that words have consequences. and sometimes deadly consequences. especially when it comes from people in authority. it's almost like it can give a green light to someone who is already on the edge. you know, you have a variety of people that are in your audience whenever you're speaking. some people can sort through what you're saying and not take it to an extreme. you have others that are just waiting for somebody to say something that can actually push them over the edge. and you have to be very much
aware of that. so this extreme on both sides is not just the president. there are a lot of other people that are guilty of it as well. and everybody needs to take pause and realize that what they say, their words have severe consequences. >> gives people license. chief ramsey, good to have you on this broadcast. before we leave you this hour, i just want to say as i've been here in el paso, we've seen many acts of kindness. people welcoming us here. but also going to this makeshift memorial you see here. we saw a mother and her three children come a short time ago and leave flowers. that's been a constant vigil as the victims of this shooting remain on the ground inside there and what's an active crime scene. we'll stay on this story. we hope you'll stay with us. [ birds chirping ]
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unspeakable tragedy. nine people killed and dayton, . 24-year-old connor betts opened fire in a night life district right before police shot and killed him. among the victims, betts' 22-year-old sister megan. we're learning so much more about the other victims as well. cnn correspondent alison kosik is here with more details on that. allison? >> 24-year-old connor bettss is the lone gunman who opened fire for less than a minute, but he wound up killing nine people,
including his sister and injured 27 others. now we've learned who the victims were, and all of the families have been noteified. we're going to read their names and ages for you. lois oglesby, 27. megan betts, his sister, 22 years old. monica brickhouse, 39. saeed saleh, 38. derrick fudge, 57. logan turner, 30. nicholas cumer, 25. thomas mcnichols, 25 and beatrice warren curtis, 26. now police shot and killed the gunman who was wearing body armor. he was holding a high-powered weapon with extra ammunition and walked down the sidewalk or the street opening fire on people who were just out on a saturday night in a popular downtown area called the oregon district. it happened just after 1:00 a.m. police say the gunman was making his way toward a bar called ned peppers and carrying lots of ammunition. he was ready to kill.
dayton's mayor says police and first responders, they were already in the area patrolling because of the district itself. they got to the scene in under a minute and wound up neutralizing the shooter. she says if they hadn't, she says hundreds of people could be dead. but in less than 60 seconds, the gunman was able to inflict so much pain and terror. now later tonight around 8:00, there will be a candlelight vigil held in the oregon district to remember those who were affected. fredricka? >> yeah, so tragic and all this happening just 13 hours after another mass shooting. so tragic in el paso, texas. thank you so much, alison kosik. of course, we continue to follow this breaking news. a nation in shock after two mass shootings in a matter of hours leaving collectively 29 people dead. dozens more injured. we'll have much more right after this.
i'm fredricka whitfield along with jim sciutto in el paso, texas. we're standing by for a live update to a mass shooting in dayton, ohio. at any moment now, authorities are expected to give up new details about the suspect, the fast action by police there that stopped the suspect's deadly rampage. however, in all, nine people were killed in dayton, ohio. dozens of others were injured. and that shooting coming just 13 hours after a mass shooting in saturday. 20 people were killed and 26 injured. >> there's not words you can place to say something like that. you know, you have to see it for yourself. when i first got int