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gun violence in our country. so far despite so many massacres, they have failed. and we are left once again to mourn the victims and honor their legacy. may they rest in peace. and may their memories be a blessing. erin burnett outfront starts right now. >> outfront next, breaking news tonight of the seconds just before a heavily armed gunman opened fire killing nine people. also breaking, police just holding a press conference on the mass shootings in el paso, texas. new details about why the gunman may have picked wal-mart as the target. and a lawmaker slamming his party saying republicans are enabling white supremacy in america. let's go outfront. the breaking news, we have new surveillance video tonight from one of the two mass shootings. this from dayton, ohio where a
gunman killed nine people including his own sister as the death toll rises today. 31 people now confirmed dead in the mass shootings in el paso texas and dayton, ohio happening within hours of each other. what you see is the gunman dressed in black emerging from an alley as he was about to open fire. within a second complete chaos as people start running for cover ducking under those tables. police say they found as many as 41 shell casings from the gunman's weapon. this surveillance video showing the gunman as he is being shot by police. they responded within 20 seconds of his first shot. police chasing down one lead after another right now desperately looking for a motive to understand what happened in dayton, ohio. we have a lot of questions as we
are starting to get more information at this hour. we are learning there were warning signs. one classmate telling cnn that the gunman had a hit list of people that he wanted to kill or hurt and a rape list for girls. i want to go straight to assistant secretary for the department of homeland security. we're going to go to the ground in a moment. let me play this new video. he's hunched over. he's moving. we have him highlighted there between the two umbrellas. he only had one minute to shoot. in that time, he also murdered his own sister. what does that tell you about how important she may be in all of this? >> we don't know what the motive is.
we don't kboep if this is an act of targeted violence targeting her, her friends? is this something the individual felt marginalized. they were together just prior to this. figuring out what the motive was is unclear. the intent is very clear. he had a clear intent by his action to cause as much harm and disruption there absolutely was some level of preplanning. how long that took, wearing a ballistic vest shows a level of pre-planning. that is really disturbing for law enforcement. >> extremely disturbing because it happened without anyone knowing about it. there is more to be learned. phil mudd is with us. let me ask you about the sister. could this end up being very significant, her role in this?
>> absolutely it's just not a coincidence. it defies logic to believe that one of the ten dead would happen to be his sister. something happened. i just want to make it clear that you know he had a choice if he wanted to kill his sister. this was an issue of family violence or sexism or rage against women. this was a choice to make a public statement. so as someone who has been through these cases before, what i'm looking for in terms of motivation is what was that public statement? that's when it becomes relevant. who is the boyfriend? what kind of club was this? why eight of the ten other victims were african-american. so i've got lots of questions around his motivation and the sister. this was not just family violence. he wanted to make a point very, very quickly. >> he certainly did. as you point out, there is a lot
that can indicate that this was a hate crime and domestic terror much like we saw in el paso. we are learning tonight that the police knew about an alleged kill list in high school. one saw him being detained by police at school. kellyanne conway said this information should have been visible on his background check and she said it wasn't because it was protected by the hippa medical law. would putting all mental health records in background checks make a difference? >> to me? >> to phil. >> i think it absolutely would. i can even make this question simpler. someone gets a prescription for an adebolanti-depressant, the f side would be do you want people who have mental health problems
to have weapons? the president raised the fundamental issue today about red flags. we saw it in broward county in the school shooting there. the problem you're going to get is as soon as you do that, somebody is going to say why are you taking away somebody's constitutional rights when that person didn't commit a crime? i think the conversation has to be had, but it will be controversial. >> it certainly is. ryan young is there. we have this breaking new video and also new developments. what can you tell us? >> reporter: a lot of tough questions. obviously, this community is trying to figure out the motive when you talk about someone able to open fire within 24 seconds injurying dozens of people and killing nine folks. we were here yesterday during an emotional memorial here. people really wanted to get to the center of this in terms of why would he train his gun on the bar behind us.
some folks were worried because they believe there was a reason why he targeted this bar. as you walk down the street, you can see where he started firing and where the bullets went down the street here. it gave the police a chance to respond. when you watch the video, they did not waste any time in trying to take this man down. they were able to surround him and take him out within 30 seconds. we hear he was able to fire over 41 rounds in the street. when you watch the terror in the people's faces as they try to get back in the bar, the police chief made a great point here, if he was able to enter that bar with more than 200 rounds this story would have been different. for the folks who live in this community, this is no longer about a story. they want to know the motive. they want to know what exactly was going on. there are a lot of rumors going on. after talking to a family member of one of the people lost they are trying to figure out what happened in this young man's life that wasn't highlighted
earlier especially when you talk about the idea that people in high school made the call about the kill list and rape list that he had. there are so many questions surrounding this, that's what they are concerned now. there was a person in that car who was injured who is still in the hospital who has been talking to police. they are still talking to him. >> that could be very important that we know the shooter was in the car with his sister and this other individual. let me ask you this. we have the 41 shell casings that they found and he had 250 rounds. we know that his weapons purchased legallegally. we are also finding out that the el paso gun was also legally purchased. an assault weapon. what does that tell you? >> 7.62 caliber highly destructive rounds. it goes to that is a weapon of
war, mass casualties as we saw. i want to take a step back to what we were talking about with the response by police, training, tactics and experience won the day in ohio. law enforcement officers went into the situation, heavily armed individual. they put that threat down immediately. i think that is what we're seeing time and time again. same thing with the response in el paso. law enforcement is training time and time again for these active shooter situations regardless of the weapons system. law enforcement has to plan for the worst and hope for the best once they get there. it's a change in tactics that we've seen. it's addressing the threat right away to put it down. >> which they were able to do in dayton. obviously not at the wal-mart. you can't do what you do in a place like israel and the united states. it's too big. but we're finding out 7.62 caliber. it's safe to say that it's hard
to explain how anybody would have the need or a way to purchase such a gun the background checks, it is bread crumbs to what we are seeing right now which is the capacity of people or of murderer to kill lots of civilians, armed or unarmed. to kill lots of civilians quickly, 10 seconds, 20 seconds, 90 seconds. at that time, we did not have the nature of these mass killings that we are seeing again. it defies the imagination to think that these other regulations around gun ownership are able to protect the most
likely and most lethal aspect of these shooting cases which is the capacity of someone to kill ten other people at this stage in 20 seconds. just imagine that. so i'm all for these regulations. protect communities from those. that's what we need to do with the guns. >> thank you all very much. as i said, we also have breaking news coming out of el paso, a press conference happening revealing new details about the moments of what led up to the deadly mass shooting, why he ended up in that wal-mart and why at that moment. we now know 22 people have died. that number has gone up by two in the past hours. president obama breaking his silence on the mass shootings, taking a very clear swipe at president trump. and it's the hate-filled website linked to three mass shootings including the one in el paso.
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as he had before. the president is coming out. i will meet with the president. i guess for people who have lots of time on their hands, i'll deal with e-mails and phone calls. >> police are now revealing you have new information on why this gunman drove 10, 11 hours to the wal-mart. >> reporter: it really is the question that is haunting many residents of el paso, how this gunman could drive ten to 11 hours. we understand from police that he drove that straight through the overnight hours to make it to this wal-mart. police say he actually got lost in a nearby neighborhood before coming to this wal-mart because he was hungry. police say the el paso wal-mart shooter is cooperating with investigators but showing no signs of remorse. >> i don't have a textbook for
dealing with evil other than the bible. >> reporter: the death toll jumped to 22. officials announced two more victims could not overcome their wounds and died in the hospital. gospel music filled this hospital waiting room as family and friends of 33-year-old michelle brady waited for her to come out of her second surgery. her family tells cnn she was struck three times, suffered a shattered pelvis. >> she had the presence of mind to get shot three times and yet pick up the phone and call her mom. she said mom, i've been shot. my wife became frantic. >> reporter: her father says he raced to the scene and was heart broken by what he saw. >> i saw my wife bringing michelle on this cart, pushing
her towards the ambulance. it was at that moment that i realized that this was not just something unbelievable, that this was real. >> reporter: you get emotional thinking of that image of your wife pushing your daughter. what is it about that moment that hits you so hard? >> that i couldn't get there quick enough to help. >> reporter: at that moment the vims did not know about an online posting ranting about an hispanic invasion of texas. he lived with his grandparents for two years. across the city, there is an outpouring of grief, the question many can't answer is how the gunman could drive more 600 miles for ten hours and never feel a sense of doubt. families like the grady family are focussed on healing the wounds. michelle grady hasn't spoken
since arriving at the hospital, but they received a sign of hope. michelle opened her eyes and gently squeezed her family's hand. >> that meant that she can hear us. >> and the sight here at the wal-mart has become a place of therapy as people have come to gather together the flowers. all of this here, these people coming together, but underlying all of that as we have heard repeatedly from residents is a real anger about the possibility of president trump coming to visit here in el paso. this is a visit that will only continue to create more anger here over the next couple of days. >> thank you very much. this comes as president trump has blamed everything but his own rhetoric following the mass shootings in el paso and dayton. >> we must recognize that the internet has provided a
dangerous avenue to radicalize disturbed minds and perform demented acts. we must stop the glorification of violence in our society. this includes the gruesome video games that are now common place. we must reform our mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence. >> he stuck with his prompter. news coverage has to start being fair, balanced and unbiassed or the terrible problems will only get worst. a special assistant to president george w. bush. president trump blames the internet, video games, mental health laws and the media, but nothing about his rhetoric. your reaction? >> he's wrong. he's inconsistent.
when president trump took office, he said that this american carnage stops right here and right now. since that time we had las vegas, gilroy, mississippi, parkland, virginia beach, dayton, el paso. this is out of control. donald trump is indirectly responsible for this. he's insighting the rhetoric that's encouraging this. instead of doing something about guns, he's blaming the wrong people and the wrong things. every country has people with mental health issues. every country has people who have access to social media and access to the internet. every country has access to video games. not every country has access to guns the way they do in this country. and not every country has a racist president as we do. >> what do you say about that? the president's rhetoric matters. let me just play because as we know on this website, the alleged shooter in texas posted
a manifesto which warned that he was going to commit a massacre because of an hispanic invasion. it was a very specific word and a specific word which echoes this. >> this is an invasion. when you see these caravans starting out with 20,000 people, that's an invasion. we're on track for a million illegal aliens to rush our borders. people hate the word invasion, but that's what it is. we're stopping people at the border. this is an invasion and nobody's even questioning that. >> it's impossible to not hear that when you hear this person post the word invasion online, isn't it? >> i think that the first question you asked is does the president's rhetoric matter? of course, it does. all political rhetoric matters. i wish he had given it two years ago. this is part of the job of the president is to be our consoler in chief, to comfort the nation
in times of tragedy. i think today a lot of people have rushed to score political points and dunk on the president. i don't hear a lot of people like keith pointing out that the shooter in ohio apparently was a leftist who commented online about all the left wing elizabeth warren-type stuff. it wouldn't be appropriate to do that, either. you can't go around blaming every politician. >> there is a lot of reporting coming in on the motive in dayton. i'm not comfortable, cnn wouldn't be comfortable going with what you just said. things may change dramatically. >> and 70% of all -- >> here's my point. >> let scott finish. >> it is not going to get you a policy outcome to spend the next month or six weeks or whatever trying to make this about dunking on donald trump. i think lindsey graham and senator blumenthal of
connecticut have hammered out some agreement on red flag laws. i think that's good. i think we ought to have a bipartisan show of anti-violence, anti-white supremacy and antiwhite nationalism passed. i think background checks ought to be opened up and done. i think they ought to look at the high capacity magazines. i think all these things ought to be on the table. it's going to be hard to get to any of it if one side wants to spend all -- >> just take responsibility for what your president is doing. he's calling countries shitholes. he said people from mexico are rapists and drug dealers and criminals. this guy is insighting rhetoric encouraging people to engage in -- caesar sayoc was sentenced to 20 years in prison, the guy who sent pipe bombs because of donald trump's rhetoric.
donald trump's rhetoric is responsible for encouraging and insighting violence. the republicans are complicit because the democrats asked to pass a background check and mitch mcconnell -- >> mitch mcconnell is refusing to comment tonight. let me ask you about that. >> what did you just say about senator mcconnell. >> mitch mcconnell refused to act -- that was passed in february for background checks. and if that's such an important issue, why won't the senate act on it? >> i see you haven't been following your news feed tonight. tonight senator mcconnell asked the chairs to come together on a bipartisan plan from the senate that might include what has come over from the house for action. >> that might include after six months, that's the best you can come up with. six months later. you finally say you might
include something that has to do with a red flag law. we have been talking about background checks for years. the nra has forced republcans not to address the issue. now under pressure because there were two shootings in one weekend, you say they might do something. 21 people were shot and killed i'm supposed to be happy that senator mitch mcconnell might do something. that's not acceptable. >> i want to give you a chance to respond. they could come back. i think most of them would be willing to do that. if they wanted to do that, they could do it. i think everybody would agree with that. scott, i want to ask you because i want to give you a chance to respond. he pleaded guilty to sending pipe bombs to numerous democrats. his lawyers said he nound -- they said we believe the president's rhetoric contributed to the actions in this offense. his own lawyers are admitting he was motivated by the president.
>> i think this is a terrible human being. i don't like the rhetoric about the press being the enemy of the people. i have never liked. i think we ought to not have it. my advice to the president would be don't do it. and i think that in times of tragedy, in times of crisis and in times when the american people are looking for something, somebody to ratchet down, it is the president's responsibility to do that. this is a time for that. it's never the wrong day to do the right thing. and the right thing here is to cease with the attacks on the press, work with the congress in a bipartisan fashion and to put something on the table that's politically palatable. i hope they're doing it all. >> i appreciate both of you taking the time. he did also blame the media. president obama not naming names. he is going after president trump. it is loud and clear. it is the first statement from president obama after the mass
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president obama offering an obvious rebuke of president obama saying we should soundly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred and suggest that other people including immigrants threaten our way of life or refer to other people as subhuman or imply that america belongs to just one certain type of people. pretty stunning and obvious rebuke. president trump also today rejecting hate speech but failing to acknowledge -- >> the shooter in el paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate.
in one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. these sinister ideologies must be defeated. hate has no place in america. >> he read it and stayed with that. boris sanchez is outfront at the white house. any comment from president trump on president obama's incredibly pointed remarks. >> reporter: no, erin. the white house has not put out a response to president obama's statements. it's unclear if president trump has seen the statement. given the past public remarks that he's made about president obama, it wouldn't be a surprise to see him insult the former president or leave a stinging rebuke. we don't know how president trump feels about barack obama. this is an unprecedented, uncommon attack. you rarely see a former president criticize a current administration this way. he clearly alludes to president
trump's frequent racist remarks and racist rhetoric. the president used some of the strongest language to date to condemn white supremacy. there is a long list of things that this president has said that mirrors some of what we saw in the suspected shooter's manifesto in el paso, things that immigrants are invaders, suggesting that sanctuary cities are -- making remarks about not being surprised if george soros is funding migrant caravans. it's something that resonates with racists as we saw in el paso. it's unclear as we saw if the president is going to stop using that kind of rhetoric. >> certainly sticking with the prompter. that does not answer the question for us. thank you. outfront tonight, 2020 democratic presidential candidate amy klobuchar. i appreciate your time tonight. president trump today said the
shooter in el paso was consumed by racist hate. he said america must condemn white supremacy. do you give trump any credit for saying those things? >> reporter: here is the problem. every single day he literally wakes up and tweets something that divides america or says something at a rally. and it's always good for a president to try to bring people together. he has tried to tear us apart day after day after day. my problem here specifically is when he had his moment after ch charlottesville tlmpt are not two sides. there is only one side, that's the american side. and when you look at all of the hatred that he has fuelled against immigrants to the point where in my state i heard from a family who went out to dinner during the height of his
rhetoric and a guy says to him you four go home to where you came from. they were a somali family. the little girl says i don't want to eat dinner at home. youed we could eat out tonight. you think about the words of that innocent child. she only knows one home and that's my state. she didn't know what he was talking about. he has gone after entire cities, the city of baltimore. he has gone after african-american members of congress. so for him to say this now, yes, it is hypocritical. i still move on to what we need to get done and that is pass gun safety legislation. that is in his power, erin. he sat across from me at a meeting in the white house and said he wanted to get it done after parkland. all he has to do is call mitch mcconnell and say i want you to bring this bill up. >> he said he supports strong background checks. the democratic leaders obviously
in the senate, house speaker nancy pelosi and chuck schumer put out a statement saying let's come off summer vacation for the senate. let's pass background check legislation. the person who has been silent is mitch mcconnell. why do you think he is not stepping up right now? >> because he and his party have been walking lock step with the nra for years. and i was asked this on the cnn debate stage. and i made it clear that we can talk policy all you want. i think we all know things that would help here, everything from the bill to close the boyfriend loop hole to going after domestic abusers. mitch mcconnell won't let these bills come up for a vote. and the president never pushes them. he just says he's for them and then goes back to his job and goes out to these rallies and foments hate.
so we know this is not one of these things where congress is a mess. it is very clear where democrats are on this. that bill with all those great new members in the congress and the house of representatives passed with a strong vote. and now it's sitting on mitch mcconnell's door step. and it's time for him to get it done. yes, we should all come back and vote for it. i'd go there tomorrow. i can take a red eye from california. >> the president today said he supported the background checks. he also floated the idea of linking any kind of legislation on background checks to immigration legislation. and his comment was republicans and democrats must come together and get strong background checks perhaps marrying the legislation with immigration reform. we know the shooter in el paso explicitly killed because of anger in immigration echoing the
word invasion. what do you think of president trump linking immigration reform to gun control? >> i think he was once again messing up because i think he was once again messing around with people's minds and trying to distract people. because he has stopped us on the path of immigration reform including simply allowing the dreamers to stay when members of his own party. i was in that group that worked on that bill wanted to get something done. he gut punched us on that bill. to me it means he's not serious about wanting to do either of them. >> you know, you're pointing out your frustration with that. but i'm wondering how far you feel that we should go right now. beto o'rourke is from el paso. he is saying president trump should not go there. he should not visit the families as the president ordinarily would and as president trump is
planning to do. do you agree with mr. o'rourke? or is that divisive? >> well, that is going to be up to those families. and if people in the community do not want him to go there, i think he should listen to them. i think that is very important. but i think the bigger issue right now for the country is not the optics of what donald trump does. we've seen those optics for far too long. it's what we can do as americans to make a change right now. this is not just el paso. look what happened to dayton, ohio and california just last week. this is a moment in time where we can push through. and he claims he's for it, even though he said that to me at the white house nine times sitting across from me. let's call him on it. let's call mitch mcconnell on it and get it done. >> thank you very much for your time tonight. >> thank you, erin. it was great to be on.
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expression on the face of the man accused of killing 22 people at a wal-mart. just minutes before the attack, the alleged shooter is believed to have posted a racist message on an internet forum which has become a haven for white nationalists and the far right. tonight the man who created the site wants it shut down. he cut ties to the site in december. fred, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. for a long time i know you defended the site that you founded. now you want to see it shut down. what made you change your mind? >> i changed my mind because of the way that they're administering the site. that's the main reason that i have changed my mind. if they continued to operate it as they are operating it, it is going to cause like effects way beyond 8 chan on the internet. they are so callus and don't seem to care at all.
even matthew prince called them lawless. that's pretty much true. they just seem to not really care about the shootings. they don't even want to do the bare minimum. a lot of people have criticized me for changing this. but if 8 chan were to go down, there would be a new -- there would be a new quarterbaequilib there is nothing really to worry about for its users. i'm just dplad that it was shut down because they have to pay market rate to do the things that they're doing. >> you have said on twitter 8 chan is full of insightness to violence. literal mass killers -- >> the sight has been going on andearly as yesterday they still
had on the front page the words embrace infamy. it's like they're laughing about this and they don't really seem to care what's going on. you know, those words, if you were a victim of the shooting or the family of a victim or even just a normal person out in the world, you would find that extremely heartless and cold. i'm pretty sure for them to -- the network not even wanting to work with them. that's not the only thing. they could have done so much to prevent both the shooting being -- the manifesto being uploaded there and if they had just set up a few simple rules with the users. they decided not to do that. >> so let me ask you about the concept here. you have embraced 8 chan's role as a venue in the past for ideas
and posts that many would see as abhorrent. at 8 chan i know you embraced a group of people kicked off another forum, some threatening violence particularly against women. you is embraced the concept of providing a forum for people to have a voice. why did you feel that need originally? and why is this now over the line? >> there was something that you said that was not accurate. i actually resigned from 8 chan in april 2016. so that was before like any shooting or anything was related to it or any great big act of violence. i know some people might consider the gamer gate controversy. >> pas far as i know there was no actual violence that occurred because of that. >> what i'm trying to understand is what made you change your mind? you didn't think it would
actually ever become real and then you realized the power of those words or was it something else? >> i would just say that i have realized that the current administrators of 8 chan don't care that this is happening. they just feel like because of supreme court cases or whatever or whatever their reasoning is that they don't have to do anything. but it's going to affect the world at large in other communities. i wouldn't be surprised if the next administration is democratic if new laws are passed which make it impossible to run not only 8 chan but other sites like it. so the other community is going to be affected by this. >> can i just ask you one question before we go? and this is important because a lot of these things happen out there. and law enforcement can't find it. and a lot of people who work in tech don't want to work in law enforcement because they think
government's bad. do you think websites have a responsibility or should they be calling the fbi to alert them to these sorts of things? >> well, i mean, if it's -- the whole problem, it's like you wouldn't want to right, that wouldn't be very fun. if you had a social media site that had to follow the laws of the most strict country, for everybody, at the same time, there is a moral requirement for these kind of admis to work with law enforcement if it's their country or i would even say another country that is mostly free. you know, so maybe they wouldn't have to work with china or saudis but they should at least work with, you know, the american government and the
canadian, new zealand. those kind of maybe good guys you could call them and maybe the e.u. >> i appreciate your time, fred and thank you for joining me. thank you. >> all right. no problem. thank you, too. >> all right. new tonight, a republican lawmaker calling out his own party for quote enabling white supremacy in our country. nebraska state senator is lifelong republican and has written in a series of tweets that quote the republican party is come police sli come police caps. the time is now for us republicans to be honest with what is happening inside our party. we are better than this. and nebraska state senator john mccollister joins me now. powerfully and pow poet poetica put. you're republican and from a red state. your father was a republican
member of congress but you felt now is the time to speak. why? >> it is time now. it's been far too late, actually. we've seen the republican party leave its moorings. the republican party today is hardly anything like i knew when i was growing up. it's changed substantially and time to reestablish our basis and become the party that we should be. >> why do you think other republican haves been so hesitant to speak out? frankly, squacared. i understand some people may think what you're saying, may think it but not doing what you're doing and speaking about it. >> well, poll lit tiitical spee this country is so polarized, people are reluctant to speak out and i'm particularly disappointed in republican office holders for allowing president trump to say some of the hateful things he's said and it's time for them to stand up
for a change and make it known that they don't condone that kind of hateful speech. >> i mean, why do you think it is that they always say but he could have meant this or he doesn't -- i mean, when it does, it is clear and it is objectively clear but they add to muddying the water. they add to that by refusing to stand up to him. do they realize their role that significance of their decision to not speak? >> i absolutely agree. it's unconscionable they don't become more involved in some of the republican activities and call out president trump when he makes so many hateful comments. ever since charlottesville, we've seen any number of things he's said, political rallies, see the four freshman members of the congress. he has spoken out against them. and rather hateful terms for countries that he has talked about and disparaging ways. now we have to stop this, and we
are better than that and i think it's time for this party to start making the change. >> all right. senator mccollister, thank you for your time and thank you for coming on and speaking to us and speaking out as so many will not do, thank you. >> thank you, erin. next, the dow plunging more than 700 points. it is the single worst day of this year. an economist who says president trump is the threat to the united states. economy is out front next.
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breaking news, president trump doing something no united states president has done in 25 years. the treasury department tonight announcing it is designating china a currency manipulator after the chinese government devoured the currency to deal with tariffs. here is what is happening. that's a huge escalation. the announce tment sent the dow down 3% in one day. it's the worst single day of the year and the sixth warns oorst y point drop in american history..
there are a lot of things this country is focussing on rightly so. you have called the president, the biggest threat to the economic expansion, why? >> his trade war, the higher tariffs that are with china, china's retaliation. the fact that the war seems to be running off the rails and if we have a full blown all out war with each other, the largest two economies on the planet threatens to undermine investor sentiment and raise prices for consumers and attacks on american companies and threatens to undermine investment. these together add up to a potential recession. >> and look, last week peter director of the office of trade and manufacturing policy was on the show. i was giving examples of certain products, lazy boy washing machinestariffs.
he said that's not the case. here is how he put it. >> i'm telling you, erin, flat out you will not see significant consumer price hikes from a 10% tariff on these remaining $300 billion. the chinese basically are handle thing by lowering their prices and lowering their currency. >> and it seems as we have round and round of tariffs, prices are clearly going up on a whole slew of products. >> yeah, and they will. so far the tariffs have been on goods that businesses buy. so that hasn't directly translated into higher prices for the things you and i buy when we go into walmart but that will change. if the president follows through on his threat of a 10% tariff on the remaining $300 billion of imported goods from china. those are goods you and i buy and we'll see prices rise. that's just a part of the story. look what happened to the stock market as you pointed out. that's down 6% since the last week. that's $2 trillion in wealth that has been wiped out and that
has implications. so this implications go on and on and on, the higher consumer prices matter but this is much more than that. >> yeah, thank you very much. i think worth pointing out to everybody as in any war, any conflict you can get to a point where you can't pull back and could end up with a very big problem. thanks so much for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening, we're coming to you tonight from el paso, one of two cities where the pain of loss is raw and fresh as it is in dayton, ohio, as well. people are starting out on a journey of darkness and the best that can be said they are not alone. they are not walking alone on this road. we've seen this before and it's happening here whether in a small town or big city, people coming together to form a kind of extended family to do the things even little things that can help light the darkness if only just a bit. which is not in any way to da