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texas. >> thank you so much, gary, and thank you all so much for joining me. thank you, erica, for being on the ground for us all throughout these two hours. really appreciate it. anderson cooper and brooke baldwin pick up our special coverage right now. kate, we will take it. thank you so much. i'm brooke baldwin live again in day dayton, ohio, where we are learning more about the man who killed nine people including his own sister in a mass shooting that happened along this street and ended just across the roadway. the gunman left a twisted trail on social media, while friends say he showed an interest in violence. >> and i'm anderson cooper in el paso, texas, a city that is vowing not to let a deadly anti-latino attack perpetrated by a white supremacist define it. at a vigil for a 15-year-old
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student who was one of the victims, democratic presidential candidate and el paso native, beto o'rourke praised the resilience of this town. >> in the face of intolerance and hatred and violence, this community is coming together and displaying an extraordinary strength that i don't think that this country or the world has ever known. >> tomorrow president trump, whose use of the word "invasion" to describe immigrants echos the words written by the el paso gunman in a racist online rant basically. the president is planning to visit the city in the wake of this massacre. in an open letter to the president, the chairwoman of the local democratic party asked him not to come, writing in part, quote, a visit from you will only result in our community's inability to begin the long journey of healing and prolong the heartbreak and anger that
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all of us are feeling right now. she spoke to cnn about why she feels a visit from the president is not a good idea. >> we've all read his tweets. we've all heard his statements in his rallies. we know that he doesn't care about communities like ours. el paso has been ground zero for all of the cruel, inhumane immigration policies that he has sought to enact during his administration. if he were to come and sincerely apologize and to sincerely commit to finding a solution, then things would be very different. but the problem is that most people here in el paso don't think that that's actually what's going to happen tomorrow. >> cnn's rosa flores joins me now. i mean there is a lot of conversation about that planned presidential visit. >> there is. i've talked to people at the memorial here behind us, anderson, and there's mixed emotions because people have difficulty reconciling the president's words, like the word
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"invasion" and the president's policies. at the end of the day we're standing in el paso, texas, a border town. this community has seen and suffered child separation. the remain in mexico policy about a mile or so from where we're standing, there are hundreds of central americans who are waiting to seek asylum. they're in mexico instead of waiting in the united states. they would have in prior administrations, waiting to seek asylum, waiting to see if the united states is going to open their arms to them. so there's a lot of conflicting pain in people here in el paso. some of them say that it's the president's duty to be here because he is the commander in chief. others say that it might not help them heal. so it's unclear what his presence will do. take a listen. >> it is his responsibility to show up when something like this
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happens in a city when there is any tragedy. it is part of his responsibility as a leader of the united states. however, seeing his recent commentaries and his responses to this tragedy, i don't think he has -- it's really coming from him, from the goodness of his heart. i'm hoping for the best. i would hate for any more violent acts to happen with his visit, but i do appreciate that he is coming down. >> anderson, because this is so anti-latino, one of the things that really resonates with me from talking to a lot of the mexican-american who say live in this community is that for the very first time these mexican-americans feel that they're targeted. they feel afraid because of the color of their skin. >> it's really -- it's really unfortunate that there is this divide because in a situation like this, communities come together as the el paso community has. the president traditionally is
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not just commander in chief but consoler in chief. so the fact that the very question of him coming here is sort of -- people are conflicted about it, it's a sad statement of where things are at. let's talk about the investigation, though. what's going on, what's the latest that we've learned? >> investigators are very tight-lipped, they're not releasing a lot of information as they normally do. we do know that the gunman is from -- the alleged gunman is from allen, texas. that he drove 10, 11 hours to get to this location. that he purchased the gun legally. that when he got to el paso, he apparently got lost and then hungry and ended up at this walmart. i've got to tell you, anderson, talking to people from el paso, they really think there must be more to that story. they don't quite buy the story from authorities because they say he must have done research because this walmart is very symbolic. it's the closest one to mexico. on any given day you probably see the license plates in this parking lot and you'd see texas
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license plates and mexican license plates. >> people come over from mexico and this is the walmart they would shop at. >> i'm from the rio grande valley, a very similar community and that's what you see. you see people from the united states who have friends and family in mexico and vice versa. >> the other new piece of information which i just heard today is that the gunman actually gave himself up, was in his vehicle, drove and presented himself to a motorcycle police officer who was on sort of outer perimeter duty. >> which raises so many questions as well. so many questions that we're trying to get answers to. as you know after parkland and the failure that happened in broward county, there's been a lot of attention about police response. >> sure. >> and police officers in an active shooter situation rushing toward the building to stop the threat. >> that's the strategy now. it used to be form a perimeter
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away for s.w.a.t. and now it's first officers who are there get together, go in and stop the shooter. >> exactly. so the only thing we know about the timeline is that officers responded six minutes in, but what happened before? >> the first officer showed up in six minutes. we don't know then if that officer went in or if a number of officers went in or what exactly -- there's still a lot to be learned about the timeline of this and all of that will be studied both by local authorities and by the fbi. rosa flores, thank you very much. appreciate it. after these two mass shootings, which happened over the weekend, the one in el paso here and in dayton, ohio, there is pressure mounting for congress to try to do something. right now there are growing calls from both democrats and some republicans as well for senate majority leader mitch mcconnell to reconvene the senate and take action this week on long-stalled gun control legislation. legislation that had already passed the house, but it is
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stalled there. sunlen serfaty is joining me. >> reporter: right now the democratic strategy as you outlined is to keep the pressure focused square on mitch mcconnell. they want him to cancel the month-long summer recess. they want to get senators back here into d.c. and they're trying to force the senate to vote on the two measures that the house passed back in february of this year that have of course sat in the senate without any action at all and that's the background checks for nearly all gun purchases and also the so-called charleston loophole which would prevent people from buying guns if their background check is not yet complete. and we heard this echoed from not only the senate minority leader, chuck schumer today, but congressman pete king in new york. they said, yes, we are potentially open to some of the narrower measures that some republicans are talking about like the red-flag laws but they believe that the priority right now should be the house-passed bills.
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>> walmart was in el paso but it really could be anywhere in america, even here, as long as easy access to weapons of war remain the unaddressed crisis. and today peter king, a republican, myself a democrat, are here to say enough is enough. we are call on leader mcconnell to bring the bill that passed the house, that peter king bravely sponsored, to the floor of the senate asap. >> this should not be in any way a partisan issue, even though so often it becomes that. the fact is that as chuck said, all this legislation does is basically say that people who are criminals and people who are mental patients, have mental issues and people who are spousal abusers will not purchase a gun. >> reporter: this week mitch
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mcconnell has said the senate is prepared to do its part. he has encouraged his committee chairs to figure out what legislation could move forward. we've heard from senator lindsey graham he will propose those red-flag laws. at this point it's very unclear in the senate what the next step is. no potential action on the floor. they are still on summer recess and no indication yet that they will be called back early. >> appreciate it, thanks very much. up next, we have a lot more from here in el paso as well as in dayton. when we come back, we'll be with brooke in dayton for an exclusive interview. first responders speaking out after responding to the massacre. "guarantee". we uh... we say that too. you gotta use "these" because we don't mean it. buy any pair at regular price, get one free. really. visionworks. see the difference.
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with safelite, you can see exactly when we'll be there. saving you time for what you love most. >> kids: whoa! >> kids vo: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪ welcome back to cnn's special live kumcoverage. i'm brooke baldwin in dayton, ohio. cnn has gotten surveillance footage capturing the moments the gunman comes out of the alley and opens fire. it was a saturday night. this area is incredibly popular in dayton. it was packed with thousands of people.
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you can see them running in all kinds of directions. here we are two days now since this horrific, horrific event. the shooter's motive still remains a mystery. one thing is clear, there were signs, multiple red flags indicating that he was troubled. during a search of the shooter's home, law enforcement sources tell cnn investigators uncovered writings showing that he expressed a desire to kill people. we've talked about his reputation in high school and how he had this kill list for boys and a rape list for girls. his former girlfriend says he suffered from mental illness. >> this isn't about race. this isn't about religion. it's none of those things. this is a man who is in pain and didn't get the help that he needed. people go every day being perfectly fine with having mental illness, me included. and he just -- he got the short
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end of the stick, no support system. >> so the shooting here in dayton happening just out of an alleyway along this street in front of ned pepper's is where they took him down at the bar's front door. it lasted all of 30 seconds. but in 30 seconds the shooter managed to kill nine people before the dayton police rushed in and took him out, potentially saving hundreds of others and other first responders who rushed to the scene also made a massive difference in saving lives. i spent my morning actually at one of the firehouses here in dayton talking to the district fire chief for dayton fire. this is the first day back on the job for many of these men and women, firefighters, paramedics, and they talked to me about what they saw and why this is obviously so close to home. >> how long have you been a firefighter? >> i've been a fireman for 22 years. i've been here with the city for almost 19. >> why did you get into it in
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the first place? >> probably the same reason most firemen get in the job is to help people. that's what we do. >> to help people? >> yes. >> so tell me about the call that came in early sunday morning. >> we got dispatched on a report of a shooting, quickly upgraded to a potential mass casualty event. dayton fire department with dayton police department responded. we also ended up involving a lot of the surrounding departments, the mutual aid companies that we use who did an outstanding job of providing a lot of resources. >> in all your years as a fireman, have you ever responded to something like this? >> not with this many people, no. each member that responded to that had a role to play and a key role. i equate it to a football team. everybody has to hit their marks. everybody has to get their blocks. nobody can drop the ball. and that's exactly what everybody did. everybody hit their marks and did an outstanding job. >> you were there to save lives. so how do you go about doing
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that? >> well, we have triage and we go through and try to triage individuals and determine how we're going to remove them and get them to a treatment area and transport them to the local hospitals. everybody that we have in the organization from top down played a key role and did an outstanding job. we had, i think, just about everybody in the city that responded that night. >> just about everybody? >> right. and we had many, many outside jurisdictions that responded as well. i can't say enough about the surrounding departments and the assistance they have provided for this incident but they do it on a daily basis, they help us out. that's what mutual aid is for and they did an outstanding job. >> how proud are you -- >> extremely. >> -- of this fire department? >> and we've talked about that. we'll call a spade a spade. if somebody makes a mistake we oftentimes point it out because we want to improve. and i told them i was proud of everybody there, just like i mentioned earlier. everybody hit their marks. the training that's been
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conducted over the last several years in preparation for events like this, it all paid off. guys did extremely well. they did just like they were trained to do. very proud. very proud. >> tell me about this community. >> so you've seen what this community is about. you've seen how everybody is coming together. you see the support everybody is showing. not just the city of dayton but the region, the surrounding area. the phone calls and assistance that a lot of folks have been receiving. i know headquarters has been getting a lot of calls from throughout the country, areas that have had incidents like this in the past and know the issues that headquarters and the city is dealing with and offering support and offering assistance. they have been there, they know what it's like and they're able to help everybody pull through that. >> so of course i want to thank the chief. there was so much more. we talked to so many others who were back on the job. we'll save that for a piece
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that's going to air on friday. anderson, to you in el paso, sadly you and i have covered tragedies like these, but i am always just so overwhelmed. when you go talk to these police officers or folks in the firehouse and it's always such modes modesty. this wasn't us, it was police or, you know, we're just doing our jobs. i am struck every single time at how humble and extraordinary these men and women are. >> yeah. and in dayton the response time was just extraordinary. as we've all said before, it could have been so much worse had they not been able to respond so quickly, under 30 seconds is incredible. brooke, we'll come back to you shortly. i want to bring in j.j. martinez, director of communications for the el paso democrats, a group that wrote the open letter asking president trump not to visit the city tomorrow. thanks very much for being with us. so why send this letter asking the president not to come? >> well, i'd like to echo the words of congresswoman escobar
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who said trump has to take back his rhetoric. he has to apologize for all of the stuff that he has said about latinos, about mexicans, about my community here. as you can see, anderson, that is not el paso. that is not the border. what he says about immigrants, about people who are coming here just to get a better life for themselves, for their children, that's not the border, that's not el paso. >> obviously there are some people in el paso who like president trump and want him to come and there are others who may not like his rhetoric but feel he is the commander in chief, he is -- and has a right to visit. to those people, what do you say? >> i think most importantly we need to stand together as el pasoans first. of course we understand that he's the president. he's the duly elected president of the united states. but first and foremost we need to make sure that these families are healing. we need to make sure that el paso is coming together to support one another. part of that is also ensuring that the victims and families of
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the victims feel safe, that they feel like they're being listened to. there's somebody who genuinely has cared about them. it is a little hard to have a president who says so much angry rhetoric about el paso, about the border, and then for him to come in and try and visit with our community. so to those people, of course, we need to put our differences aside for a moment and come together as a community as el pasoans. i think that is more important. >> and you think a visit by the president where he meets first responders, meets -- perhaps goes to a hospital, meets victims, meets victims' families, you see that as inherently divisive? >> i think so. this president since day one has called mexicans rapists, hispanics breeders. even in the middle of a shooting here in this beautiful city, you know, we heard him say at his rally, laughing about shooting people who are trying to come across. and that is no way a president, any president should address not only his base but should address
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the nation in general. he needs to understand that he needs to be a rallying figure, a unifying voice, an he's just not doing that right now. >> did you ever think that this would happen here in el paso? obviously we've seen this happen everywhere, we know it can happen anywhere, but it's different when it happens where you live. >> as you know el paso has been one of the safest cities. you don't think it will happen to your community until it happens. no city in this country should have to feel the pain that el paso and dayton have felt. but it's the reality of this country. and it's on all of us, myself, and i think this community understands that it's time for a change, a long overdue change. so i know el paso will overcome this. el paso will come together and we're going to rise above this terrible tragedy. you've seen the best of people coming out and helping. we had way more blood, we couldn't hold people in our
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blood facilities. we had more food donated, so the best of el paso is coming out and we will rise above this. >> j.j., appreciate it. thank you very much. we have a lot more from here in el paso. there is so much ongoing every day in what is happening here. the reality of anti-immigrant hate, we'll look at that coming up. we'll talk to a man who's been afraid for years an attack like this would happen here. we'll explain why. we'll be right back. my experience with usaa has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family
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i was asked today what message would he say to us, what message would he want us to send. i would say do your best, stay focused, hone your craft in soccer. see, soccer was life for javier. >> in a time like this i can't help but feel angry that this young man was robbed of his potential, robbed of his future and robbed of his life because of someone's unfounded hatred. however, i know that if i truly want to pay tribute to javier's life, anger has no place in honoring his memory. >> two high school soccer coaches there mourning the loss of javier rodriguez who was killed. he was just 15 years old. he is the youngest victim in the mass shooting here in el paso.
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while the families of all 22 victims plan funerals, of course, and vigils, the entire community here is left to grapple with the hate that inspired the killer to carry out this act of domestic terrorism. my next guest writes beautifully about what is going on here in el paso. one of the things he wrote, he said el paso alone is over 80% hispanic. we switch from english to spanish without skipping a beat and we are fine with that, but the trump era is not. it's brought us walls, internment camps and children in cages. the massacres, the outcome i feared for years and i can't help but feel that its genesis lies with the president of the united states. joining me is the writer, richard parker. he's also the author of "lone star nation, how texas will transform america." i'm sorry to meet under these circumstances. you wrote a really lovely, beautiful piece that i read. just talk a little bit about what you're seeing here. every day is a little bit
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different. and today what are you seeing? what are you hearing? >> well, what i'm seeing and hearing from talking to people is beneath the fear, which has come, and it's quite palpable, i grew up here, as you mentioned. my mother is a mexican immigr t immigrant. she fears now leaving the house without her passport. she's been an american citizen for over 30 years. that fear has been resident here throughout the trump years. it wasn't lost when the president came here in february to talk about his purported wall, which he has not built one mile so far. and so layered under that now is the anxiety about the future. i have heard people openly say to me stay safe. i have never heard that in this city. >> el paso is very safe. >> a very safe town. el paso has fewer murders that took place on saturday in a
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year. i've heard people say outloud to perfect strangers look out when you walk into a parking lot. watch out when you go into public or through the front door of a building. these are alien conversations except every place mass shootings happen. i think the thing that makes this different, strikingly so, is that the shooter deliberately and through a political motivation targeted latino people. he could have done this anywhere. but the fact is that el paso is to the mexican experience what miami is to the cuban american or venezuelan experience. it has always been a magnet and a throughway for culture, commerce, people, and the movement of goods and money. >> it's interesting because clearly the shooter drove intentionally here for many hours to get here, and i don't know how -- how much he -- he clearly picked el paso for a
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reason, and that is very likely the reason. i mean this is not a coincidence that it just happened here. >> that's correct. it's also not a coincidence, not to jump on the president too much, that he has come here largely and quietly unwelcome in the past, in february of this year to talk about his purported wall. people didn't miss that. they understood that he was coming here to sort of stick a finger in the eye of a largely hispanic city to make his point for his base, which doesn't reside anywhere near here. >> do you think -- do you think he should come tomorrow? >> no, i really don't. i think -- i think the president would have been wiser to wait first, because even politicians like the governor of texas, greg abbott, has said we have these funerals and memorials to observe. that's accurate, that's true. but the only reason the
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president could come here and do any good is to renounce his own white nationalism. and i don't see that happening. >> richard parker, i appreciate you being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> sorry it's under these circumstances. brooke, let's go back to you and we'll have more from el paso in just a moment. >> all right, we'll come back to you in just a little bit. coming up next, the motive here in dayton. the shooting, the nine lives lost still a mystery. no one really may ever know. when i talked to the mayor, the answer to why, but the clues that investigators are gathering. the people he worked with, what he left behind, his trail on social media, is ex-girlfriend. we have some of the pieces of the puzzle coming up here next on cnn. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job
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here in ohio the motive of the shooter is still unclear. police are saying there isn't anything so far to indicate whether or not it was perhaps a racial motive, but the shooter does appear to have a troubled past, including as we've been reporting having some sort of hit list of people he wanted to rape or kill when he was in high school. now investigators are obviously working, gathering clues about his life, including looking at the trail he left behind on twitter and what appears to be what he retweeted, extreme left-wing and anti-police posts.
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drew griffin has been digging through his past. you're with me now. what have you found? >> a lot is being made of this. i think the twitter account is confusing. yes, it is anti-police in some cases, anti-i.c.e. in some cases, pro antifa, the violent pro leftest group. also a message to joe biden, hurry up and die. but shortly after the el paso shooting, which took place hours before this one, he is tweeting about support for gun control, calling the -- >> makes no sense. >> -- shooter a terrorist and white supremacist. clearly there is no clear path to a motive, which is what the police are telling us. also according to our sources in the writing that were discovered in his home, although there was a fascination with mass killings, there isn't any political bias or racial animosity, at least that our sources say have been discovered. >> what more do we know from a girlfriend or high school? >> and this is so typical of what we see in many of these
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cases. fascination with guns. the kill list in high school was real. he was pulled out of school and arrested for it, apparently expelled. we're still trying to get the records. threatening other students, threatening girlfriends. one of his current girlfriends, a modern day, i would say, has told us that he did have dark thoughts. he did carry videos on his phone of mass killings that he liked to share with her. and he did take her shooting. so he was very, very skilled with guns. so we have this dark past. we have this potential for mental problems. >> lived with his parents? >> lived with his parents. >> drew griffin, thank you very much. thank you. coming up next, i will be joined by former fbi special agent who was in charge of the agency's active shooter initiative. we'll talk to her about what these recent mass shootings all have in common. we'll be right back. r deli f a. your very first sandwich, your mammoth masterpiece. and...whatever this was.
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call or visit new details now on the surrender of the el paso suspect. police here say that the 21-year-old gunman actually turned himself in to a motorcycle police officer. they say he drove about two blocks from the walmart, got out of his car, put his hands up and identified himself to the officer as the shooter. the officer then handcuffed him as he cooperates, academics and crime specialists continue to try to understand why people kill like this, studying past incidents, all in an effort to stop future ones. the fbi has done extensive research on basically every active shooter situation.
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the fbi conducted one study that looked at over 160 active shooter incidents from 2000 to 2013. i've actually read this. it's really fascinating. it includes the tragedies of sandy hook and ft. hood, texas, and former fbi special agent katherine schweit joins me now. she co-authored that study. she once led the active shooter initiative. thanks for joining us. i'm so happy to actually talk to you because that study is so fascinating and all the details in it. most of these active shooter situations are over within five minutes. most of the people get killed or are killed in those first minutes according to your study. that's why police response time is so critical and police strategy has changed. >> absolutely. police strategy has changed because we wanted to make sure that police officers knew how to go in and initially after columbine, there was always this concern that maybe they were grouping up and having to get a
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team together, we needed to change that, so law enforcement made that change. they were still working on getting two or three people together before they go in to finding the assault and find the shooter. they don't do that anymore. police officers are there right now. it's not a coincidence that those police officers were in the right place at the right time in these two shootings. >> yeah. i remember looking at videos of the navy yard shooting for a story i did on "60 minutes" and the first police officers that went in was a mix. one was a bicycle police officer and one was a navy mp, so whoever was on site first, they all quickly teamed up and went in and that made a big difference. that's the difference in many cases between life and death. i think a lot of people think that these shooters just snap and that they pick up their gun and go in and do this. that's not what you've found. >> no, absolutely. one of the things that i think is a very common misconception is this idea of snapping. it isn't that.
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this type of violence it's a plan of prepared violence. somebody is a grievance collector. it's a person that has a real or perceived grievance. it may be because of work. it may be because of a spouse. it may be because they don't like the way a tv or newspaper portrays something. they're more brittle and they star start to collect and got more obsessed about that grievance. they get an idea and then plan and prepare. and that's where we can see people intercede. >> it also seems now increasingly we're seeing, you know, white nationalist related shooters but who are writing whether it's an actual manifesto that seems a little bit too fancy a word for some of these, like, racist screeds. but it seems like they're sending a message to each other.
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it's like a continued reference. one references the other. >> somebody working on this idea of targeted violence where you want to -- you're an ideologue like a white with supremacist isn't different than somebody who is supporting al qaeda or we were investigating from an investigation from an espionage standpoint. these are people who believe in their cause. and they want other people to know how they believe in their cause. and how strongly they believe in it. and what they're willing to do to prove even if they just have control for those moments of the shooting. and you mentioned before about the shootings being so quick. 70% of them in maybe five minutes or less. but in fact, half of those are in two minutes or less. it's also important that the -- that civilians understand what to do which is why as part of the whole, we need to train police better and push that forward, we also need to train civilians better. we need to get them to all be
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trained in run, hide, fight. we need to get them to understand how to put on a tourniquet and stop bleeding. those are equally important. >> yeah. run, hide, fight. that is such a change as well. but that's the message. i went out with the new york city police. they send people into offices to train employees in various big companies, you know, run, hide, fight. where is your desk an okay place to hide. you may think it is. but it's not. that's important for people to understand in whatever environment they work in. it's fascinating work that you do and you've done. that report is just extraordinary. it's an honor to talk to you. i look forward to talking to you again, i hope under better circumstances. thank you. >> thank you. >> brooke, back to you. and brooke, you know, what kathryn was talking about, that response time. it doesn't get better than the response time in dayton, ohio. you know, and again, that's -- it's interesting that kathryn says about half of these, it's
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over in two minutes. that's an extraordinary thing to realize how quickly these events occur. >> it is incredible. what can happen in 30 seconds. it's incredible here in dayton how police were able to respond in 30 seconds. and, you know, end the carnage. but, you know, that's a local or state level. i want to talk federal. we'll come back to you in just a second. you know, weeks after the september 11 terror attacks, then-president bush signed the patriot act into law. it gave the government broader powers to investigate those people with terrorist ties abroad and at home. what it included was a massive expansion of surveillance. carrie cordero, i wanted to have this conversation with you just about should law enforcement be given the same tools, the same funding to fight domestic terrorism such as what we've
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seen here in the states? >> well, i think what we're definitely seeing is that the threat -- whatever is the major threat or one of the most significant threats that americans are facing from a national and homeland security perspective is changing. and we need to be able as a country and in terms of our legal authorities and investigative authorities, we need to be able to adapt to that threat. that doesn't mean the old threats have gone away. so the foreign international -- >> do you see that happening? doesn't that need to happen? >> i think there certainly needs to be an increased emphasis on the domestic terrorism front. the fbi is the primary agency that conducts those investigations. we need to make sure that they have the expansive policies that they need, that they may need new legal authorities to be able to conduct more thorough investigations. the big gap there is between investigating international terrorism and domestic terrorism is the ability to be able to monitor somebody based on a particular legal standard.
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there need to be more resources drawn toward those efforts as well. >> more tools, funding, resources. because you think about, you know, if this shooter is who was taken down across the street from me in dayton, if this motivation had been isis related or isis inspired, what do you think the president or just even the trump administration would be doing right now? >> well, certainly i think the administration's rhetoric would be very different. the two shootings dayton and el paso, they're different. because in el paso, i think we know at this point so quickly that it was motivated specifically -- is a hate crime. it's motivated based on hate and racism and white supremacy. that's what it looks like. dayton i think we're still learning what the motivations of
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that attacker were. i think the rhetoric would be different. i think it's important to note i don't think there's one fix that is going to solve this national plague that we are encounters when it comes to these mass shootings. there's focusing more carefully on the domestic terrorism and white supremacist threat. then the second piece is the gun control laws looking at the assault ban. looking at background checks, a whole suite of gun control law aspects that congress needs to take up. and the third case which is relevant to the el paso attack is the political rhetoric. >> it is a full mosaic at every level in how to prevent this from happening in this country. carrie, thank you for coming on. i want to pivot to this. there is breaking news out of the white house this afternoon. president trump is filing a
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five years of income tax returns in order to be placed on the state primary ballot in 2020. california's governor was quick to respond to the suit with this tweet. let me read this from governor newsome. he said, quote, there's an easy fix, mr. president. release your tax returns as you promised during the campaign and follow the precedent of every president since 1973. cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider is with me now. and is this part of the president's effort to just stop any efforts for him to release his tax returns? >> it is. this is really the latest move from the president and his legal team. they're battling against releasing his tax returns really on multiple fronts including, of course, just minutes ago in california, the president filing that latest lawsuit asking the federal judge in california to stop that just signed california law that requires all candidates for president to disclose five years of tax returns in order to get on the primary ballot. now, the president's lawyers in this latest lawsuit filing,
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they're calling the law unconstitutional and in violation of the first amendment. their primary argument is because the constitution specifically sets forth the qualifications for president and vice president, that neither california nor any other state can add onto those qualifications. so they're battling this now in california, filing this lawsuit. we expected it would be challenged on constitutional grounds. but of course the president's lawyers are also battling against releasing his tax returns on multiple other fronts. we have a lawsuit involving new york state and one of their recently enacted laws. and then of course just battling against any tax returns being released at all the that relate to the president or his accountants or his family. so really this is a multifaceted effort to stop any release of these from the president. brooke? >> understand. we'll see where it goes. thank you very much.


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