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direction. it was the biggest single day drop this year. all of this sparked by the escalation of trade war between the u.s. and china. china retaliating saying it will bar companies from buying u.s. agricultural goods. i'm brooke baldwin here in dayton. we'll be back here tomorrow. in the meantime "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. red flag after red flag. but no one said a thing. "the lead" starts right now. hit lists and a fascination with mass murders. today new details emerging on the dayton gunman. new details coming from his ex girlfriend who said he made her watch video from a mass shooting on their first date. this democrat said it is too late for president trump to not be a white nationalist. but what would a president pete buttigieg do to prevent massacres like el paso or dayton? buttigieg will join me live with
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his new plan. pushback over the president's plan to come to el paso and might those visits cause more pain than comfort. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with the national lead. president trump now planning to visit the communities where two men committed horrific acts of gun violence and carnage killing at least 31 innocent people. the president will go to both el paso, texas, and dayton, ohio, tomorrow. in el paso right now the alleged domestic terrorism is talking to police telling them he got lost when he first arrived in the city after having driven for 11 hours from the dallas area to begin his racist murderous rampage and in dayton where the shooter was killed on sunday morning, a picture of the murderer who killed his own sister and others as details come from his social media accounts and those who knew him. the twitter account belonging to him suggest he had a long time interest in violence and
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described himself as a metal head and a leftist. now to dayton where they are holding a press conference. >> the evolving mindset of the assailant and the materials reviewed thus far reveal that the individual had a history of obsession with violent ideation to include mass shootings and compressed a desire to commit a mass shooting. subsequent material has revealed in orientation toward violent ideologies which elevate this case to one of federal interest. thus the fbi will be taking this central role in certain aspects of this case while the dayton police department continues to focus on the homicide investigation. so i now ask agent wickerham to provide more information about the shift in the investigative focus however i will clarify that the information provided
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will be very limited and not likely to be expanded upon what is already being shared. agent. >> so thank you, mayor. thank you, chief. my name is todd wickerham. >> i'm the special agent in charge for the cincinnati field office. so the dayton police and the fbi have a long history of working together side-by-side in the community and including very important joint terrorism task force assignments that the dayton police officers have as well as our state streets task force. so working together is nothing new for us and an fbi agent showed up in the early morning hours in the oregon district after this horrific mass attack. so our investigation with dayton police is ongoing. we have not made any final investigative conclusions into the motive of the shooter or if he was assisted by any other people in the attack. however, we have uncovered evidence throughout the course of our investigation that the shooter was exploring violent ideologies.
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and based upon this evidence we're initiating an fbi investigation side-by-side with the dayton police homicide investigation to make sure we get to the bottom and we explore everything and try to understand the best we can why this horrific attack happened. so as we continue to conduct this investigation we're striving to do three things. one, to figure out -- what if any ideology influenced the attacker to conduct this attack. who, if anyone, helped him or had any advance knowledge of his intentions to conduct this attack and why he committed this specific act of violence. one piece of evidence does not necessarily constitute a motive. hence the need for a thorough, methodical investigation. the case is ongoing so we cannot provide any detailed information into our sakt -- our investigative duties at this time. this community and our country
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deserves an answer as to why this happened so we ask anybody with a -- additional information to provide that information to the fbi tip line available 24/7 for information, and the line is 800-call-fbi. call there and ask to give information about the dayton shooting, somebody will take that information and provide it both to the dayton police department and to the fbi. there is another outlet in which people can provide any type of digital evidence that they may have collected whether on that night or any social media evidence that they may feel is relevant to why this attack happened, and that can be provided at www.fbi.gov/dayton shooting. now i also want to thank all of the organizations in this community that have stepped up to help the grieving process and the healing process begin here in dayton. i'll take a couple of questions. >> agent, can you explain the
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violent ideology and what violent ideology is it that you're interested in. >> i'm not going to get into specifics of what we found because we're still beginning in the investigation and so much in the investigation but we have found specific violent ideologies that the shooter we know followed and was interested in. so that is given us enough information to open up an fbi investigation to make sure we have every single tool, every investigative capability to figure out why this happened and to try to make sure it doesn't happen again. >> to be clear, there is a predicate for a federal investigation and that would be something having to do with either politics, religion, race, that sort of thing, right? >> so anybody that wants to do violence that is part of what has to be shown to a federal investigation of this type, so, yeah, we have found very specific and one thing i'll point out that we have not found any indication that it is a racial motivation.
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that is not -- we have not found anything that indicates that it is a racial motivation at this time. again, we have a lot to go through. so, but different violent ideologies, will cause an investigation to be initiated and we have found evidence of a violent ideology but i'm not going to -- get into the specifics. >> did you discover this on the computer? >> we did not discover it off his computer. we're still going through a lot of digital evidence but i'm not telling you where we found this because we still have a lot more to go through. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> we don't have that information. we don't know. >> you could define what a violent ideology -- what do you mean by violent ideology? a ideology that he prescribed to, what does this mean. >> we saw this individual, the shooter, the attacker in this case, very specifically seeking out information that promotes
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violence. >> how far back are you going -- report of a hit list in high school -- >> we're going back as far as we need to to find -- try to find out why he did this and also if anybody else knew about this or was involved with this. >> -- planning this event or that he was planning to do a different type of event or how pre-med cated was this? >> we don't know at this time. >> do you have any knowledge of any mental illness? >> i don't have that information at this time. i'm not going to get any more specific about what we do or do not know. >> the events in el paso -- affect the time line of this at all. >> we have not seen necessity any evidence that the events in el paso influenced him at this point. again we have a lot of evidence to go through. >> did he have -- >> no, we have no evidence that the shooter was on the fbi radar prior to this event. that's it.
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thank you. >> thank you special agent. next i'm going invite assistant chief matt carper to the podium to discuss the president of the united states' visit tomorrow. >> thank you, mayor. i know there has been a lot of interest in the potential visit from the president into the miami valley area tomorrow. we don't have the specifics yet. as soon as we can get more additional information as it unfolds, we'll release what we're able to release to the public. i know any closures or inconveniences or interruptions would be minimal and so we do understand that so we'll share more information as it becomes available and as we're able to. that is all i'm able to offer right now. >> -- meeting with the president privately. >> i'm sorry. >> will the family and the victims be meeting with the president privately. >> i'll give you more information as the details are confirmed. >> what about protests?
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any word on protests? planned? >> i'm not aware of any organized protests tomorrow. >> can you talk about man power, is there extra police on the scene at the routes, what is that going to look like? >> with any presidential visit, our motorcade going back decades, that is the case. >> sir, at the white house kellyanne conway suggested that secret service had communicated to the president that both dayton and el paso are safe and ready for the president's visit. would you agree with that characterization and is dayton ready at this moment. >> we are always ready for any kind of dignitary protection assignment. like i said, going back decades we've provided those and sometimes multiple occasions per year. so, yes. >> given the circumstances that happened here. >> that is correct. we are ready. thank you. >> could i ask one more question of the agent. you said he wasn't influenced by events in el paso, correct? >> i didn't say that. no, i said we don't -- not developed any evidence at this
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point that said that he's influenced by el paso. >> is there any evidence developed that he was influenced by other events? we've had several recently. >> we still have a lot of evidence to go through, so i'm not going to say anything else about that. >> -- shooters history whether he's been -- [ inaudible question ]. >> i think we've discussed everything we're going to discuss about the investigation. so are there any other questions? >> the chief homicide investigation, as you continue to look into that gun and ammunition, have you found any evidence there was any violation of current gun laws by the shooter? >> no, we have not. >> you could speak to the podium. >> that will be easy. no, we have not. >> any new information leading up to why they split up the brother and sister? >> i don't know that that is clear. we just -- we don't have any specific information to really
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understand it at this time. we just know it happened. >> what is your take on the governor's proposal that he laid out today, 17-point plan. >> i've been a little too busy to read the governor's proposal so until i have a chance to read and evaluate it i can't comment. >> you said the morning visit tomorrow for the president coming in -- and what people should do. >> you were all there. so i -- i don't need to -- i don't want to keep on going. but you know -- i don't know what you're really asking, frankly. >> welcoming the -- >> i will welcome him in the official capacity as mayor since he is in the office of the president. >> the search warrant of the house, did they find any guns -- >> we're not going to get into the evidence that was seized in that search warrant. it is all part of the investigation. and we haven't had a chance to evaluate some of the evidence at this point. >> any update on the person who was driving in the car with them? >> so we're done talking about the investigation.
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so i think we're done with questions today. we appreciate -- and i'll see some of you at national night out. thank you. >> you've been listening to the fbi and dayton, ohio, mayor none whaley and local officials givi giving -- an update on the shooting. let's discuss this with the law enforcement experts. and phil, you're a former fbi official, what do you make of this case being elevated to a federal level? >> pretty significant step. if you looked at this a day or two ago you would have said we don't understand motivation. that could be across the spectrum. the guy had a problem at work, he had a problem at home, he had a problem with a romantic relationship. the fact that the fbi is being brought in as a -- the lead in the investigation said as we heard today they have information about motive. the motive of race was taken off the table. there is still a lot of motives about connections to ideology that would be on the table. for example, anti-government organizations, there are a lot of people in it country who don't believe the u.s.
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government should have sovereignty over their lives. leftist antifa motivations that might lead people to say an act of violence against the government is appropriate. so the fact that the feds are brought in and the locals are saying the feds are key, gives us a key indication of a big step forward in saying there is a motivation beyond something that is purely personal. >> and anthony, let me bring you in, the fbi special agent todd wickerham said that the most prevalent thing they've an able to discern in the dayton, ohio, shooter is evidence of a violent ideology. but as of now, no specific evidence of the shooting being motivated by racism or by politics, that doesn't mean they won't find that. but the focus, of course, is his -- the shooter's obsession with violence. what might this all mean, do you think? >> yeah, i think it is clear there are still a lot of unknowns comparatively to the el
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paso scene. where we have a living subject who is answering questions with law enforcement. here in ohio we do not. and it remains a lot of questions. i thought the special agent in charge of the fbi put it very well. what were the motives of the actor, who helped him, if anybody, and why did he do this. i also think it is significant that the fbi is taking the investigation because it allows for more federal charging instrument where he could be charged with more significant crimes in this case. >> and phil, let's talk about the red flags raised about this gunman. because apparently as far back as high school he got in trouble with teachers and the administration in school for doing something that suggests a proclivity of violence and coming up with a hit list of people at school he wanted to kill. but after somebody like that gets in trouble with the school, does that just disappear? nobody else finds out about it,
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the police don't find out about it, gun sellers don't find out about it? >> i think there is two separate conversations to have. one is about counseling. for example there are people outside of the law enforcement community who are brought in to talk to the kid. the more significant conversation in my world of intelligence and law enforcement is simple. you have thousands, more than 10,000 police departments across the country and if they do not have political and legal cover to go in and say there is evidence -- not that the individual committed an act of crime or red flag evidence according to a law we don't have today. if we don't have that, how do you take away somebody's gun because the immediate response that person will get a lawyer saying you don't have the right to take my gun. i have the right to write whatever i want about hate. that is not against the law. the governor dewine in ohio is moving in the right direction. until you get the legislation you don't have the opportunity in law enforcement to take somebody's weapon away. >> the red flag laws would allow families to petition a court to
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temporarily take a gun away from an individual if he is believed to be a threat to himself or others. i want to go to randi kaye and officials are saying they uncovered evidence of a violent ideology but don't have a motive yet. >> absolutely. jake, there is new information and you mentioned these red flags, many of the people here in dayton say they don't need a presidential visit. they want answers as to how this could have happened in their community. >> reporter: some 41 shots were fired in under 30 seconds as panicked patrons ran for their lives. >> let's go. >> reporter: two new surveillance videos show the chaotic scene in dayton, ohio, as a 24-year-old gunman unleash unleashed terror on crowded streets and now former classmates say the shooter had a troubling past. >> connor had a hit list of people he wanted to harm or kill. >> he just was an angry person. who acted on his actions.
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and the warning signs were missed. >> reporter: a newly discovered twitter account reads, quote, i'm going to hell and i'm not coming back. as part of the biography it also shows re-tweets of anti-police and extreme left-wing posts. but unlike el paso, where the accused terrorist outlined his racist political motivations in an online post, police in dayton don't know what motivated sunday's massacre. >> came around the corner, heard two shots, pop pop. >> reporter: deon green thought he and his father had been spared until he saw the blood. >> i see the blood just coming from both sides of his head and i just lost it. he looked at me, he was breathing and he just lied there with his eyes open. >> so he died in your arms? >> yes, ma'am. >> in texas, authorities now say the gunman that shot 22 people dead at this el paso walmart claimed he stopped there for food. he drove some 11 hours from his home in allen, texas, to the
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border city and targeted hispanics in his attack. >> i saw him reloading the gun. >> reporter: mara bell latin was shot twice. >> eight more bullets. i counted them because i said one of these is going to be mine. >> reporter: police also telling cnn today that the 21-year-old gunman was unarmed when he drove up to a motorcycle officer near the walmart. put his hands up and surrendered. and one more note about the dayton man who you saw in the story whose father died in his arms, he believe he spoke to the suspect's sister also killed and she was right nearby and she said to him, i've been shot. please call 911. he told us he didn't realize who it was until police questioned him about the woman near and then he saw her picture in the news. >> randi kaye, thank you so much. in the wake of the two horrific shootings, pete buttigieg today, the mayor of south bend, indiana, unveiled a new gun control plan. he said will combat domestic
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terrorism and including $1 billion in funding for the fbi as well as state and local police and it includes a plan to work with social media companies to try to identify hateful messages shared online and stop them from spreading plus banning types of semi-automatic weapons and creating a nationwide gun licensing system and mayor pete buttigieg joins me live. thanks so much for joining us. i want to ask you about the specifics of your plan in a moment. but after the tragedy in newtown, connecticut, in las vegas or orlando, there are always pushing for new gun control restrictions and congress doesn't do anything ultimately. how does a president buttigieg get it done? >> well, you begin with the fact that america wants this to get done. how much longer can something go against the will of the american people before we have a break thru. that is why my plan focuses on political action, policy action and civic action. right now it doesn't seem like
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there is a penalty to be paid for example for mitch mcconnell's decision to prevent the universal background check legislation that passed the house. something by the way which enjoyed support from the majority of republicans as well as democrats across this country. there is not much of a penalty for the senate blocking that. that has got to change and one of the actions we propose that you don't have to be president to do, any one of us to do, to get ahold of your senator. it is recess and they're at home and going to events in their home states. i think they should be back if washington on an emergency basis dealing with this but until they are, we're urging everybody to find and call their senator and get something done. we know there are a number of measures to help save lives and this is not only a matter of gun safety but of countering violent extremism here at home. the decision this administration made to reduce funding and cancel programming for dealing with violent extremism is the wrong direction. time to turn that around before we're dealing with another attack like this in the future. >> so mr. mayor, one of your proposals is to end the senate
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filibuster. so it will be easier to pass gun restrictions that would make it so only a simple majority of senators have to support a policy for it to pass as opposed to the threshold of 60 votes now. that theoretically would have allowed republicans to repeal the affordable care act back in 2017. are you sure this is the best way forward? >> look, if the filibuster -- if it weren't for the filibuster, we would have a lot of measures right now. you referenced sandy hook and a lot of us thought if children could be murdered at that level, in our country surely that is the last straw. and legislation moved and was filibustered. it stopped dead in the senate. we can't go on accepting this. yes, it creates all kinds of new challenges politically. but when the will of the american people can be defeated so easily on the floor of the senate it is time for a change and it is clear the filibuster which has a complicated and dark history to begin with has outlived the usefulness to the
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american people. >> yeah, but you didn't acknowledge my point which is, okay, so in sandy hook after sandy hook that would have been passed but then the republicans would have taken over the senate and then it would have been completely undone. that is the whole point. >> and then they would have been -- yeah, and in my view if that happened they would have lost power in 2018. we could do a lot of counter factuals but it is meaningful that the aca is in tact even after a lot of what we've been through. now the administration trying to dismantle it. the point is if we're asking ourselves this question of how is it that this -- we say never again and it always happens. the indication is that we've got to make structural change. you can't go on doing the same thing and expect a better result. obviously there are structural problems in our politics when you have an nra that no longer even speaks for the majority of gun owners and yet is able to get its way in washington against the will of the american people, when you have these things that america expects in washington and they can't deliver, something is wrong in
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the structure of the way decisions are made in washington. that is what we've got to change and the filibuster is part of that. >> mr. mayor, part of your plan is a ban on what are called assault weapons, certain types of semi-automatic weapons. what does that ban look at, stop at outlaying sales or include a mandatory assault weapon buy back and will you require the people would own these guns to turn them into the government. what happens? >> my focus is on stopping sales of new ones. there is estimates there will be 130 million more guns on the street by 2030. if nothing changes. some of which will be the assault or military-style weapons. things like what i carried around when i was in afghanistan that just have no business on american streets or anywhere near schools in a country at peace. so let's start by banning new sales of the weapons. then we can figure out other mechanisms to reduce the number that are circulating out there and above all, stop them from
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falling into the wrong hands which is why things like not only universal background check but disarming hate through a red flag law that covers ate crime and closing the boyfriend and charleston loophole are important as the secondhand weapons do continue to circulate in the country. will it top every problem, every crime? no. but it will save lives and we have a moral responsibility to do everything we can to save the thousands of lives that are at stake right now. >> south bend, indiana, mayor, pete buttigieg. thank you. good luck on the campaign trail. >> thanks for having me on. bipartisan gun legislation doesn't have to be a fantasy. scott tomby cowrote a bill but will that move forward? the senator will join me next. stay with us. why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. we're the tenney's and we're usaa members for life.
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tomorrow, democrats back in washington, d.c. are continuing to criticize republicans for blocking gun control legislation. some of which enjoys bipartisan support. and as kaitlan collins reports, this time the person democrats are focused on is not just president trump. >> reporter: amid the political fallout over how to prevent mass shootings, president trump is headed to the scenes of the last two. >> tomorrow the president and the first lady will travel to dayton and el paso. >> reporter: but not everyone will be happy to see him. >> this is the most racist president we've had since perhaps andrew johnson. >> reporter: trump is facing pushback from some current and local officials in el paso and dayton, including two presidential candidates urging him not to come. >> and he is responsible for the hatred and the violence that we're seeing right now. >> i think he's a polarizing figure and i think especially in el paso. >> reporter: el paso republican mayor demargo received emails
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from angry texans but will welcome trump over the objections. >> i don't have a text book for dealing with evil other than the bible. i'm sorry. we're going to go through this. >> reporter: dayton democrat ut. mayor nan whaley said she will also welcome the president as well as anyone protesting his visit. >> he's made his bed and he has to lie in it. his rhetoric has been painful for many in our community and i think that people should stand up and say they're not happy if they're not happy that he's coming. >> reporter: today white house officials are firing back at former president barack obama after he issued a statement calling on the country to reject language from leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred. >> nobody blames him for newtown, connecticut. >> reporter: this amid growing calls in washington for action on gun control. >> it is a piece of paper. but it is a piece of paper that could save lives. >> reporter: democrats want
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senate majority leader mitch mcconnell to bring back lawmakers from the five-week summer recess for a vote on talled gun legislation. >> mitch mcconnell needs to get off his [ bleep ] and do something. >> reporter: that sentiment heard outside of mcconnell's kentucky home where protests gathered on monday night. despite the inaction, a source close to mcconnell said he's serious about considering gun legislation. now, jake, we're being told by sources right now that republican leadership is not considering ending the recess and coming back to capitol hill because mitch mcconnell still feels that universal background checks bill that democrats have been calling for still does not have the support of the president or most republicans in the senate. instead they say they want to stay in touch with the white house about potential legislation they could get passed when they do return in the fall and our sources here at the white house are telling us the president has expressed some openness to expanding the background checks in the last few days. but right now the question is whether or not that is something he does still support and in the
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coming days or if it is something he'll back off of in the end. >> kaitlan collins in the white house. joining me now is republican senator pat toomey from the commonwealth of pennsylvania who proposed expanding background checks with joe manchin. and you just heard kaitlan collins reporting a source telling cnn that mitch mcconnell has no interest in moving the house bill that expands background checks since it lacks support from the president and sufficient republicans in the senate. how is the manchin or toomey bill, how is it different from the house version? >> well, jake, one of the main differences is that we're going after commercial gun sales. so we think that there should be a background check for all commercial gun sales but a private transaction between family members or friends, we would not require a background check for those kinds of transactions. the house bill is much broader
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and it's virtually universal with very few exceptions is my understanding. >> you and senator manchin were on this show pushing a similar bill on the floor of the senate back in 2013 after the tragedy of newtown. it did not pass. you and senator susan collins i believe are the only republicans who voted for it back in 2013 who are still in the u.s. senate. do you think it could pass now? do you think you could get more republicans? >> jake, i hope we can. and i hope it can pass. you know, um, it's true susan and i are the only two republican senators remaining who voted for it but i think that the sentiment has changed somewhat. and maybe it is just the accumulation of pain from all of these horrific experiences. the president is open to this conversation. i've spoken with him several times in the last 24 hours. i've spoken to leader mcconnell.
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as usual, mitch mcconnell wants an actual outcome, not political grandstanding. and to get an actual out come there needs to be bipartisan support in both chambers of congress. and that is what joe manchin and i are focused on, that is what i discussed with the president today and yesterday. and that's what i'm hoping we could get to. >> did the president say if your legislation passes the senate that he'll sign it? >> no. he didn't say that. and i didn't ask him that. i think he's still asking questions about the substance and how we get there. what other things might be included. for instance i think there is broad support for red flags legislation. senator graham, the chairman of the judiciary committee i believe intends to bring up such legislation. you know, jake, this is the legislation that would allow family and law enforcement when they discover somebody who is exhibiting dangerous and violent
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proclivities to bring that to the attention of a court and if the court agrees then to take the firearms and prevent that person from buying other firearms. that has broad support. i think that is likely to move out of judiciary and be able to pass on the full senate floor. i also think my bill with chris coons which would require the fbi to notify states when someone attempts to buy a firearm who is not legally entitled to by virtue of past criminal record and that is legislation that could pass. and my hope is that we can include in that broadening the background checks because i think we should have background checks for commercial sales. >> why do you think so many of your republican senate colleagues are so reluctant to support even a modest measure like this who -- that is supported by two people who before you supported this bill in 2013, you and senator manchin, i think you both had a's from the nra --
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>> we did. >> because you're afraid of losing -- not you, but are they afraid of losing an election? are they afraid of the heat? you and manchin have shown you could support something like this and get re-elected. what is holding them back? >> yeah, you can get re-elected. there is a lot of heat. i assure you as well. there are a lot of folks concerned about a slippery slope. whereby first it is extending background checks and later something else that -- so for me as a second amendment supporter, a gun owner, someone who believes in the second amendment, i don't think a background check is an infringement on the second amendment rights of a law-abiding citizen. i don't think it is. i wouldn't support legislation that does infringe on that right because i think it is an important constitutional right. some of my colleagues i think might be concerned that there is a slippery slope argument. i don't agree with that. but we haven't had a vote in a number of years and i'm hoping that we'll be able to persuade some folks. there are a lot of new senators
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who weren't here the last time we voted on manchin/toomey so we'll have another chance i think and i hope soon. >> all right. pennsylvania senator pat toomey. thank you so much. good to see you. please come back as this battle heats up. we want to hear from you and senator manchin. >> thanks for having me. new details just emerged about what else mitch mcconnell does not plan to do about gun legislation. stay with us. at t-mobile, for $40/line for four lines, it's all included for the whole family. like unlimited with netflix on us. and now with each new line, get one of our latest smartphones included. $40/line for four lines and smartphones are included for the whole family. managingaudrey's on it.s? eating right and staying active?
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in our politics lead, two communities grappling with grief and now also grappling with how to receive president trump tomorrow amid his past divisive rhetoric. dayton mayor nan whaley said while she will meet with president trump, members of her city may not be as warm. protests are expected. let's chat about this. jen psaki, both the mayor of dayton and the mayor of el paso, a republican mayor and dayton a democrat. and these type of meetings are usually about healing. president trump in the past has shown he's capable of it and he's able to do it. but people in el paso in particular seem very upset. do you think it is possible that these trips can be what the nation needs right now? >> there is no evidence to suggest that. and i say that because having been a part of a number of the trips in the past, typically
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what you do is you reach out to the mayor and you say, what do you need? and the mayors of countries -- of cities around the country, they're like momma or poppa grizzly and worried about thur communities and most focused on. when a president comes in it takes in resources and energy but president trump hasn't really exhibited an ability to publicly heal or publicly bring people together. the mayors are thinking about that. and in addition to the fact that some of his rhetoric seems to have possibly led to one of the -- the motivation of one of the shooters or that seems to be what the reporting is suggesting. so they're focused on communities and what they're hearing from their communities. a lot of the conversations are private. they're emotional. and they're looking at is this person going to make people feel better or not? it is a very human decision that these mayors are making. >> not only that and when it comes to el paso in particular, the president hasn't really said nice things about it. he said it was crime-riddled when he went there initially. it is not. it is very safe.
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some of his rhetoric toward -- in part because of beto o'rourke, and the latino community there. so it is not only the president's rhetoric at large, it is how he's spoken about el paso that is problematic. >> what are you hoping for tomorrow? >> i'm hoping that the people of el paso and dayton have an opportunity to hear from the president, speak to the president. if they are frustrated with president trump, jake, they have the opportunity to say that. if there are protests, there are protests. i think right now, though, the official capacity of the president is much been shared by the mayor of el paso. which is i'm not necessarily in agreement with him on a lot of issues, he's been very public about that but i'll welcome him in my official capacity as mayor and welcome him as president. i think we're going to be very careful here. the politics on this are terrible. and it is a terrible, terrible thing. but right now while we look at legislation, while we look at fixing this problem, we damn well better look at helping the nation to heal. whether you like donald trump or don't like him, he's the president of the united states. he should be accepted and he
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should hear what people have to say. >> the problem i have with this is that it is not about the president. it is always about the president and himself. he thinks that. but when these communities are reeling, they're not worried about donald trump's feelings or what is appropriate as president. they're worried about their communities and i think that is what they're looking at. they're looking at his rhetoric and how he's approaches the issues and thinking how will people digest and receive it here and not his agenda. >> and you're proposing that the president doesn't care about the communities. about el paso and other crime-infested cities and we've heard about one not far from here. >> this is not crime-infested. >> i'm saying that is the president's rhetoric. >> right. >> the bottom line is i think he should go and see and hear for himself. >> what are you expecting tomorrow in el paso because there is a large latino community there. many members of the latino community, as i don't need to tell you, feel dom onnized by president every since he came down the escalator in 2015.
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>> i'm not sure how trump will be received. we do know that el paso is, as jackie said, a safe city. it is a border city with juarez. i've been there multiple times and across into juarez. so the question really is and a lot of latino leaders are frustrated on the ground like veronica escobar who represents that district and others across other states, and they're very concerned. and they want to -- they are expecting to in the next day or so to be calling on trump to try to suspend the deportations and to take more action in his words and saying that he is not going to be talking this way about mexican immigrants or immigrants from south america. >> using the word invasion. >> and trying to dehumanize like he has in the past. >> we have breaking news. the first reaction from the family of the accused el paso domestic terrorist who killed 22 people. the family released a statement saying in part, patrick's actions were apparently
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influenced by people we do not know and from ideas and beliefs that we do not accept or con don't in any way. he was raised in a family that taught love, kindness and respect and tolerance rejecting all forms of racism, prejudice and hatred and violence. there will never be a moment for the rest of our lives when we will forget each and every victim of this senseless tragedy, unquote. and this is something you hear after a lot of the events, is that family members are shocked to discover that this murderous person, often a racist, not always but often a racist, was racist. and it is -- it is odd to me, i think. >> and this is -- we've -- i think that the fact that it is become part of this routine that we are all forced to go through now that you're waiting for -- when is the family of the accused killer going to come out with their statement. where is the others. the fact that we have to go through this routine over and
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over again i think is why you're seeing some members of congress come -- republican members of congress say enough is enough. i'm going to change my stance. we saw with congressman mike turner, the dayton congressman saying he thinks military-style assault weapons shouldn't be in the hands of civilians. perhaps more background checks. red flag laws. i think that is -- it is not obviously a -- we haven't seen a turning point yet in terms of many republican members of congress. but i think particularly in the suburbs you're seeing people get sick of this macabre routine we're forced to go through every couple of months. >> that statement speaks to the subtle way racism permeates through society and you may not think that someone you know is racist but they may use certain terms or phrases that are subtle and that send signals and that is also the question about the language that trump has used himself which is invasion, which is infestation, not just about latinos but also about black lawmakers in the communities that they represent. and how nefarious that language
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breaking news, we're hearing from someone who says she knew the dayton killer well. as the fbi now said there is hard evidence that he had a real interest, obsession even in violent ideologies. i want to go to cnn's drew griffin in dayton, ohio. and drew, you just spoke with the gunman's ex-girlfriend moments ago. what did she have to say. >> reporter: danielle johnson, she dated connor betts from january until may and broke off
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the relationship because of a stalking incident that she recalled on another ex-girlfriend of the shooter. she told me that connor had shared with her suicidal thoughts, that he admitted putting a gun in his mouth in the past and on the very first date shared with her video of a mass shooting. >> he was interested in what makes terrible people do terrible things. >> mass shooting? >> yeah. and he -- he knew they were bad. he knew they were horrific. and he wanted to know what led a person to do those things. >> reporter: jake, despite all of that, she considered them yellow flags, not red flags, wishes now that she had gotten him the mental health that he says he told her he was looking for but did not get. the fbi has interviewed adelia johnson and they asked her all about the relationship and also about his music and about his
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video game use, jake. >> drew griffin in dayton, ohio, thanks so much. former texas congressman beto o'rourke left the campaign trail to go back to his home town and mourn with his community. his visceral responses to president trump and to reporters have gone viral putting the 2020 hopeful back in the spotlight as cnn's ryan noble reports. >> reporter: beto o'rourke out of the public eye today for the first time since learning of the mass shooting in his home town. just minutes before taking the stage at a candidate forum in las vegas, the gravity of the moment appearing to sink in as he addressed the crowd. >> keep that [ bleep ] on the battlefield, do not bring it into the communities. >> reporter: it would be the first hint into the politicians raw reaction to the tragedy. a decision to not hold back. his public responses since that moment have been a raw mix of sadness, offering comfort ant most prominently anger,
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specifically directed at president trump. >> let's be very clear about what is causing this and who the president is, he is an open avowed racist. >> reporter: in the days since the shooting, the former city councilman and congressman and now presidential candidate has visited victims in hospitals, encouraged the commune the to give blood and channeled the community outrage through his visible platform. at times his frustration boiling over. >> he's been calling mexican immigrants rapist and criminals. i don't know -- members of the press, what the [ bleep ]. hold on a second. >> reporter: and that approach has led to attacks from the trump administration. >> beto o'rourke from the "vanity fair" magazine cover to the vanity project candidacy screaming and cursing about president trump, that doesn't heal a single soul or help prevent another mass shooting. they're raising the profile. >> reporter: but beto o'rourke is making it clear he stands by what he says. since launching his presidential campaign, o'rourke has struggled to recapture the energy surrounding his 2018 senate run.
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consistently down in the polls since, and falling behind in the money race. and as of today, his campaign has no clear indication of what comes next. and while he's not interested in talking about the campaign, it is clearo rourke has no plans to back down from this fight. >> we have to show that is the exception, not the rule. but that will become the new normal if we allow it to be. if we don't stand up. >> reporter: and he took a step back from the public platform today, instead meeting behind the scenes with victims and families of the tragedy here in el paso. there is no indication when he plans to return to the campaign trail. >> ryan nobles in el paso, thank you so much. today we're learning more about the 31 men and women, parents and children killed in the two horrific mass shootings over the weekend. for instance, 36-year-old beatrice warren curtis killed in dayton and a co-worker said she was bright and vibrant and fondly recalled the birthday
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parties and girls nights they shared and said she was close to her mother and had nieces and nephews who adored her. we also learned about 15-year-old javier rodriguez the youngest victim in the el paso shooting. during a tearful vigil last night his friends and classmates remembered him as a one of kind person, someone who brightened everyone else's day. and we learned about 63-year-old david johnson, he was killed protecting his wife and their 9-year-old granddaughter during the el paso walmart slaughter. his daughters tell cnn they want everyone to know that he died a hero. >> my mom is still here and if it wasn't for him she -- his legacy will be forever with us and i want -- he was just a hero. >> he is indeed. his daughters say that one of his favorite things to do was
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set up science experiments in his kitchen and make potions with his grandchildren. that is jut three. 28 other innocent lives were stolen in the two tragedies and our hearts are with their families and friends, may their memories be a blessing. our coverage on cnn continues right now. happening now, breaking news, violent ideologies. the fbi just revealed the gunman who killed nine people in specific violent ideologies - before the attack. an fbi special agent in charge also said there is no indication sunday morning's rampage was racially motivated. but with the gunman dead, big questions remain. what was his motive? apprehended. new details of how the suspect in the el paso mass shooting gave himself up. there is a direct account from the officer who made the arrest at -- and fortifying