tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN August 6, 2019 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
and to our viewers thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitz ner the situation room. cnn's coverage of the mass shootings in dayton and el paso continues right now. with erin burnett "outfront." outfront next, the defining moment in trump's presidency. the president about to visit el paso and dayton, two cities grieving after massacres what will he say? and how will he be received? and a top republican going where few republican colleagues go. calling for a ban on assault weapons. will others follow? and senator elizabeth warren surging in polls showing grange ground on joe biden bigot. are moderates buying the progressive agenda? good evening i'm erin burnett trump's pivot almoment. the white house making preparations at this hour for the visit to the massacre cites in dayton and el paso.
as the congresswoman representing el paso refuses to join the president for the visit. saying he turned down the request for a phone call prior to the trip and quote i refuse to be an accessory to the visit. refuse to join without a dialogue about the pain his words caused. congresswoman veronica escobar words coming as she says her constituents are flooding her with complaints about the president's visit. blaming him for a climate of hate and fear against immigrants. our ed lavandera in el paso today and this is what he heard. >> we have this president, i mean things have been escalating a lot. >> donald trump is aiming it in one direction. we don't want those people here. they're dangerous. violent they're the other. they're not like us. they're not frommer who. any don't belong her here shouldn't come here. >> the last time president trump went to el paso it was for a rally. he has been there. and that rally came with fear amongering and lies about the border and immigrants.
here is some of what president trump said in el paso. >> we are cutting loose dangerous criminals into our country. murders. murderers. killings, murders. >> murders. three months later president trump asked a crowd of supporters in florida how to stop migrants from crossing into the united states? and here is what happened. >> how do you stop these people? you can't. there is -- >> that's only in the pan handle you can get away with that statement. >> he laughs. does he understand now it wasn't funny or some of the people he called murders were murdered by a white man who called them invaders, the same word trump himself has used >> this is an invasion. when you see the caravans starting out with 20,000 people. that's an invasion. we're on track for a million
illegal aliens to rush our borders. people hate the word invasion. but that's what it is. >> we are stopping people at the berd. this is an invasion and nobody is even questioning that. >> so phone line is a huge day for president trump. the whole country will be watching. he has a cans to speak to everyone. kaitlyn collins outfront live outside the white house. what are you learning about what the president is going today and say tomorrow. >> he heads to ohio and then to texas. during the stops the president plans on meeting with first responders, the law enforcement and even some of the victims while he is there. and of course on the trips as we have seen in the past the spt known to make some impromptu remarks. something white house a.i.d.s. are not ruling out right now, erin. but of course something else going -- a problem the president has to deal with is the local officials saying they don't think it's best for the president to come. they've been pretty vocal about saying they think that right now the president should stay away from their cities because they
are still grieving. white house officials are downplaying this brushes ing off the criticisms saying if the president didn't go in the aftermath of the shootings that the president would still face a round of criticism from similar people. but of course you hear from people like the mayor of dayton who said that she it not feel the president's address to the nation yesterday did enough. that it went far enough. that's why you see the comments like you showed her saying where she thinks people who aren't happy with the president's visit should voice the concerns while he is there. now this is isn't the first time facing resistant visiting cities. you saw in parkland after the shooting at the high school where the students said they did not feel like the president should come. you also saw in pittsburgh after the synagogue shooting when the mayor of the city refused to meet with the president while he was there in the funerals were getting started for those victims. it's not exactly a new problem that the president is going to be facing. but of course this is going to be a trip that is highly scrutinized and that's something even a.i.d.s. at the white house
acknowledged has been a test for the president in the past, whether or not he can maintain that unifying tone. certainly regardless of what happens tomorrow i want a highly scrutinized visit for the president. and everyone back at the white house is very aware of that. >> thank you very much kaitlyn at the white house tonight. outfront texas state representative leena ortega representing el paso. representative, i know you don't think president trump should come to el paso. how come? >> well, i mean there is a lot of reasons. and i was just listening to what was being shown earlier. i think that this community is not ready to have him return. he has said many hateful things about immigrants. he doesn't understand el paso. we consider juarez as our sister city. we have many people living in el paso have family that live across the border. he has done his actions that he
has taken with regard to migrants have hurt our community. and this is not the right time for him to come. we have a community that is in mourning. this was a horrific, unbelievable massacre that occurred here. people do not need him at this time to come and visit. and if he is coming, he better be sincere in terms of what he has been saying. and he sometimes tweets things. and a couple of days later he turns around and says something different. >> now he is saying or the white house is saying, representative, that is this isn't political they are say look if he didn't come he would be facing much the same criticism from people like you because he isn't coming. they say this is similar itinerary to other mass shootings when he does a visit. for victims first responders. do you think that he should be
given a chance, given the opportunity to to try to speak to those who are grieving? >> i think that he should respect the feelings of this community. and he should not come. this is not right time. if he shows that his future actions about proposing common sense gun reform, on not placing gun reform with immigration reform and using that as a bargaining chip, i think that we have to see actions on his part that support that he really is coming over here as -- to say -- or to express condolences to our community. our community is not ready for that. >> congresswoman veronica escobar. >> i don't believe he is. >> i just mentioned your representative in washington. veronica escobar bar. she tweeted she declined to join
president trump upon the trip to el paso in part -- i wanted to quote her. i requested a phone call with him today to share what i have now heard from many constituents, including some who are victims of the attack. my message would have been that he needs to understand that his words are powerful and have consequences. i was told that president trump is quote too busy to have the conversation. what do you make of that, that congresswoman escobar was told by someone at the white house that the president is too busy? >> well, i think that that just kind of reinforces what my beliefs are. i mean, if he really cares about the community she is our voice, our representative at the -- in d.c. at the capital. he should make the time to sit and talk to her. and when he is refusing to do that, what does that show? again it's disrespect for el paso. with everything that's been going on. i mean he is going to create more harsh emotions in el paso
that we don't have to be dealing with right now. it's not the right time for him to be here. >> the chairman of the el paso republican party that says words like you are saying have to do with politics not what you believe. here is how he put it. >> the president being here coming from the top clearly is going to help with people healing. and this is a time of healing. it needs to be calm. it will not be disastrous. what i see as disastrous is the local politicians and escobar and o'rourke and moody that are making this a political event for their benefit. that's disastrous. >> talking about local politicians and others that would include you, i suppose. he calls it a political event for your benefit. what do you say to him? >> i have to disagree. and that's exactly why we don't want him here. we don't want this to be a political event.
actually, the last political event that he was here in our community for he -- he hasn't even paid our city for the costs that were incurred with his visit. he has an outstanding bill. what does that tell you? i mean, we are strained right now with our local law enforcement, and he is going to kret more strain on resources that we don't need. if he really is not doing this for political reasons, then let's have him wit. it's not the right time. >> representative ortega, i appreciate your time thank you very much. >> thank you for having me here. >> and outfront next, a new poll shows a majority of americans, including republicans, want the senate to pass tougher gun control laws, period, full stop. so why is the person who makes that decision the person, the one person mitch mcconnell doing nothing? plus the ex-girlfriend of the
date. ohio mass killer speaking to cnn painting a disturbing picture of the man who took nine lives. >> he showed me the one video of the mass shooting on our first date. >> and kamala harris losing momentum in a new poll showing her down double digits from the first debate. is she in trouble? [woof] ♪ [ text notification now that you have] new dr. scholl's massaging gel advanced insoles with softer, bouncier gel waves, you'll move over 10% more than before. dr. scholl's. born to move. walkabout wednesdays are back! get a sirloin or chicken on the barbie, fries, and a draft beer or coca-cola - all for just $10.99. hurry in!
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representing dayton. his daughter was across the street when the massacre took place. tonight in addition to assault weapon ban he is calling for magazine limits and red flag legislation taking guns away from people in mental crisis. monn u raju is outfront. turner obviously personally touched by this. but going against the mainstream republican washington grind in taking this stand. will anyone else follow in. >> probably not, erin. republicans in the senate are taking a different tack. it's now under the direction of senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who had a conference call with top republican chairman yesterday i'm told laid pout a path forward he wants his colleagues to take. and it's not moving forward with anything close to either assault weapons ban or the universal background checks legislation that democrats have been demanding and they're not talking about bringing the senate back to act on gun
measuring. instead looking at other things, including that red flag legislation that you discussed. but also dealing with mental health issues and potentially looking at violent video games as the president himself raised concerns about it in his address yesterday. republicans looking possibly at legislating on that issue. i'm not told mitch kpaunl does not want to move on legislation if it doesn't have the backing of the president or backing of a number of of his republican senators. so that's one reason why you see resistance from the senate majority leader over the demands for the democrats are increasing pressure saying they need to keep the focus exclusively on mcconnell to bring up the house bill for a vote. but, erin, if the house bill came for a vote it's almost certain to fail in the republican-led senate. it's unclear what legislation ultimately could become law with the two parties at loggerheads about the way forward, erin. >> thank you, manu. outfront now, aurora our senior
political commentator rick santorum and scott ridgel from virginia. congressman, let me start with you. you think mitch mcconnell is not on the right side here in terms of not moving anything forward. >> mitch mcconnell is consistently opposed anything that makes sense. and i'm convinced he is the leading opponent to any type of rational legislation. the president himself has given himself a little bit of room with the red flag laws. and i think that that's going to make some sense. only 14 states have red flag laws. sadlymy state of virginia is not among them. i'm convinced that's common ground. even that common ground may not make it through mitch mcconnell's senate. what's the reason he just says no? is it personal belief? he doesn't think there should be anything. >> my own experience with the nra is this. i proposed in 2013 some very benign legislation with respect to gun traffickers and straw
purchasers. these are by definition criminals. and shouldn't have guns. and i -- we did bi camerale or bipartisan legislation that would have addressed this. i was vehemently opposed by the national association of gun rights and the national rifle association. that's when i dropped my life membership of the nra. i'm a gun owner have 12 guns, ar 15. i don't consider it an assault weapon no more lethal than a hunting riefrl but that don't prohibit me from advancing common sense legislation including the red flag law. i'm hopeful presiden trump will lead in this area and force mitch mcconnell to do the right thing. >> senator santorum what do you say about mitch mcconnell and his refusal to do this. he is buying out the clock let's be honest. there is a part of mitch mcconnell hoping that six weeks when everybody comes back from
recess people have moved on. >> well, look mitch mcconnell is doing what every good leader does. he listenings to his caucus and determines what they want. that's a leader -- a leader leads but you don't very long if you are -- leading in a way the caucus doesn't want to go. manu said it. even if the bill calm it wouldn't pass because republicans would overwhelmingly vote against it. what you say is it's mitch mcconnell. it's not mitch mcconnell it's the fact that republicans who represent a bunch of states who these types of laws are not popular aren't voting for it. >> what i'm curious about senator santorum there are all kinds of ways to parse this and talk about the states you have a pint. when you talk about leadership is to do wlat caucus does or what the american people want. usa today released a poll. 67 person of americans want signal pills passwood background checks that the house passed. that includes a majority of republicans one could argue this is louisiana opportunity for mitch mcconnell to stand up this is what the american people want
get onboard. you may not agree but that would be a profile in courage wouldn't it. >> look, i don't think those polls are worth too much. the fact of the matter is every commercial purchase in the united states of the america is subject to a background check. you have private purchases in some states or not. >> 22% of gun sales in the country are not subject to full background checks that's a lot. >> all commercial purchases are. i mean it's private sales that are not. not in all states. you know, again, injury t think reality is we need to start looking at the person involved in the shooting. and that's what the red flag laws are about. and if you listen to what manu said lindsey graham and mitch mcconnell are looking at red flag laws, not federal law but to encourage states to pass red flag laws that have due process leading to treatment of people who may be suspect of having mental illness. those are the kinds of responsible things i think can be passed in a bipartisan way.
>> could be but i just have to say in a lot of cases like who picks up a red flag. i get it you don't want to go around due process. you have to go through a court. i know neither of you agree with what congressman turner is saying. all of these things are fine. but theulate reality is if you have a gun you can do something. and if you don't have a gun you can't. >> well, the fact of the matter we've had hundreds of millions of guns in this country for a long long time. but in the last 20 years we've had more mass shootings in than ever. you can say what's changed in what's changed is higher rates of depression. family breakup pb high he were video games. >> appear higher powered rival that is didn't exist before. >> well that's not true. i mean the high-powered rivalsed a linc time. >> they have gotten -- come on, senator. >> no, scott said- dsh as he said i have of an ar-15 it's a semiautomatic weapon it may be easier to handle but it's no more higher power than any other
semiautomatic. >> you don't want them banned as congressman turner now does. but when the second amendment o goes in front of the supreme court and anyone with a common gun should be allowed. the one thing mass shooings have in common, the common gun are the assault weapons. >> actually, very, very -- very, very few crimes occur in this country with assault weapons and rifles. >> mass shootings. >> again, very, very crimes. most crimes. >> mass shootings but nobody wants mass shootings and this is the gun usesed for that congressman, go ahead. >> i think we can focus on what is common ground. and right with president trump it's the red flag laws. only 14 states as i mentioned have red flag laws. virginia is not among them. i'd like to see virginia lead in this jury. and i'd like to see the president lead in this jury. go ahead and introduce legislation. get behind the legislation that senator graham and senator rubio already advanced. that is something practical that could be done. because if we're not careful all we're hearing from the nra is we
can't do anything. we can't do anything. the nra is morally in my view and intellectually bankrupt, they don't advance anything of any substance whatever. it's all no. so we're not getting this done with any help from the nra. and frankly we are not getting this done with help from mitch mcconnell. with all respect to the senator, i very much disagree that senator mcconnell is just reflecting the will of his conference. i don't think that is the will of the conference. i think he is bending to the will of the nra. that's my view. >> all right. we'll leave it there thank you both very much. and outfront next a new poll shows elizabeth warren building serious momentum after the last debate among democrats. how much of a let is she now to joe biden? and 2020 candidate steve bullock is outfront. a red state governor who stood up to the nra. why aren't more democrts and republicans willing to do the
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new tonight, a surge for elizabeth warren. according to a quinnipiac poll just released warren's support surnld by 6 points to 21% among democrats. vice president joe biden down 2 points. democrat polls after the debate in detroit. the former clinton white house aide and former whous communications director. keith, you get a poll here and there. but this is the -- obviously a very murky poll right after the debate. it's the first snap shot what people thought. six points is an impressive jump for a candidate who are are already been gaining momentum, talking about warren.
>> i think elizabeth warren is making steady progress. this is what you want as a candidate. she was the first candidate out of the box back in december. people had doubts about her back then because of donald trump's attacks on her. she has been very steady and slow and progressive in the movement. she hasn't moved too fast. kamala harris had the big bump at the first debate and petered out. elizabeth warren has been moving more gradually. that's an important way to move in the campaign. >> jennie, i will say if you take elizabeth warren and bernie sanders numbers added togtd which isn't unfair over the long time for me i'm in the saying which is the overall winner but if you look at the progressive vote it's greater than joe biden. you could add others to joe biden but this is a powerful wing. >> there is no doubt there is a lot of energy for what elizabeth warren is speaking ton a representing. she is an incredibly effective communicator. it's clear why she is running for president and what she would do. that's something some of the other candidates have work to do
on. one of the most interesting numbers to me though in the poll was her gain among voters who identified themselves as very liberal. she gained about 11 points among that group erin. that's perhaps telling you that there is some coal he issing among progressives around her candidacy. could be vor a variety of reasons. bernie sanders lost a bit. maybe she is gaining that. maybe seen as more viable. but that's a good sign for her and i'm sure her campaign was pleased. >> there is some saying keith, that being too progressive is a problem. warren fiercely defended her agenda at the debate right prior to the palm. here she is. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. i get it. there is a lot at stake. and people are scared. but we can't choose a candidate we don't believe in. just because we're too scared to
do anything else. >> all right. that was clearly pointing keith at joe biden who is down two points. within the marjening of error but nevertheless the drop even after the doot debate felt he was the second best performer. not in love with him after this. but also this. on policy, okay, on policy her performance among democrats we can show you double -- double joe biden. what does that say. >> joe biden doesn't have any brand-new ideas he is coming off 8 years of being barack obama vice president preponderate that's in the exciting. if you look at the other other polls the thing people like about joe biden he is electable. nobody thinks he is inspiring. i don't think joe biden thinks he is inspiring. they think he could boat donald trump. i'm in the sure that's a convincing argument. especially when you consider two things they think he is getting all the white voteners the midwest. one no democratic president has
everyone the white vote since 1964. two, the two vote getters for any presidential election in history are black man named barack obama and a white woman hillary clinton. you don't have to have a white guy to win the presidential election. a lot of democrats are so afraid they think they have to pick a white guy to win. >> on this point, keith jenn mass a point. 49% of people say when beating donald trump 49% people say bide isn't the. >> warren is 9%. she surges she has double in terms of policy. yet they think biden is the only one that can beat trump. >> because she feels like a risk. i'm not validating that. but you see that in the polls. death is right it feels riskier to people out there to nominate someone who they don't think can appeal to middle class working voters. now, that's completely unproven. and in many ways that's a little bit ludicrous. but i will say the electability
question, that moves. nobody signs an oath in august and says i will not change. flaskt if you look at early state polls. this is where i think biden and others may need to worry a little bit. 50% or right around that in the early states people responding say i might change my vote and support. and electability is a subjective question. you know, and i foe from working for johnier down double digits at this point. barack obama was down double digits at this point. there is a linc way to go. and so i don't think bidden can rest on the laurels at this point. >> to the point jenn makes though death down double digits. who can can rise? at this point anyone could. especially if people fall out of love with i had biden. kamala harris is the other streaking. 13 points down since the surge from the first debate. where she had the moment obviously calling out joe biden on busing. she is now become to where she was before that first debate. she surged and she is all the way back down. what does that say? is that a problem?
>> it is a problem. it's only one poll you can't be sure that's a trend. >> right. >> if it does become a trend it's a big. problem. i saw a individual of her someone posted of her on twitter at a state of the black union event talking as a prosecutor when she was still in the city of san francisco before she was a state attorney general. and she was very passionate and compelling. i said to my friends, if that kamala harris showed up on stage at the debate last week she would be the front runner but she hasn't been consistent. that's the fundamental problem. when she is good she is great. but she is not always good and has to figure out a way to be consistent every time she shows up on stage. >> thank you both very much. and next the ex-girlfriend of of the dayton ohio shooter reveals details about the gunman. and beto o'rourke's response to the mass shooting in his hometown is putting his campaign in the spotlight. >> let's be very clear about what is causing this and who the president is. he is an open avowed racist.
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disturbing new insight into the person who shot and killed nine people, wounding 27 more. >> he showed me the one video of the mass shooting on our first date. i'm not sure which shooting it was. i was drunk and it was at a loud bar. so i don't. i think it's worried but wasn't a red flag which i know is weird to a lot of people. but given the context of him a psychology student and him being fast nature in the psychology of those things, that's what made it digestible. >> outfront tonight 2020 democratic presidential candidate, the governor of montana steve bullock. thanks for being with plea. you heard the ex-girlfriend of the dayton shooter and said she didn't see the video as a red flag. she didn't report anything to authorities because she didn't see it that way. he purchased guns legally as did
the shooter in el paso. what kind of laws would have made a difference in the mass shootings. >> well, i think, erin we have to look at all possibilities along the way. i mean, you know auchlds there is great discussion about red flag laws this isn't that controversial. even indiana passed that. but as not only as -- as even a gun owner, i think certainly we have to look at the vast majority of gun owners think we should have universal background checks. he should have the red flag laws. we don't even use -- assault weapons aren't used for hunting or self-defense. big chains like sporting good chains stopped selling them. we should stop that as well. you're not solving everything. but if we ever look at this as a public health issue, not political issue i think we could make gains. but unfortunately the nra, an organization that when i was young used to be about gun safety and hunting is now nothing more than a dark money organization used -- that uses
second amendment to divide our country. >> so as you mentioned you're a gun owner. and you are a hunter. but you did lose a nephew to gun violence in a shooting at a playground by a kid who had been bullied. you have spoken a bit about this. >> yes. >> this is personal to you. >> it is. it's personal to me. it's personal to the families in ohio and texas this weekend. but it's even more than just that. i mean when, you know, my sixth grade son has to learn where to go during the first week of school if an active shooter happens, what's happening to this country? we can do better. it's one of these where gun owners and non-gun owners alike -- especially gun owners they don't want guns in the wrong hands. they don't want to see the continually lowering of flags. it's been nine times since the
vegas shooting. really we should be calling on gun owners to say, we can do more to keep our communities safe. >> so when your nephew was killed and that moment happened on the playground. i know you were in law school. tell me how that influenced how you see the issue personally. >> yeah, and it's -- i shared there were effectively two victims that day. my 11-year-old nephew jeremy was shot and killed at the time. 25 years ago by a 10-year-old on the playground. at the time it was the youngest school yard shooting in the country. today i'm not sure if a 10-year-old killed an 11-year-old it would it would make national news. it said the 10-year-old the shooter his response was no one loves me. >> on the one hand it impacts me as saying how can we have a
10-year-old think no one loves him? or how do we have the alienation of people where they feel like they're all alone and that we need to do more on that? but it's also -- it's not just a mental health issue. it's certainly an availability and access of firearms that we as a country need to do more. and i believe that most people in this country know that we need to do more. >> you're from a red state obviously. a state voting for trump and voted for you the nra you stood up to them. as you point out gun owners overwhelmingly support more gun control. the nra has taken you on, spoken out against you. but you have not been afraid. why aren't more people from red states willing to do what you are doing? >> well, i think it really is, erin. it's the change of what the nra was to what it is today.
and it's spending hundreds of millions of dollars to both scare people and also then use guns as the dividing point. and that's -- you know, it's so unfortunate, because we all want to keep our families and communities safe. but it's not a -- it's not a gun safety or even just a second amendment organization. it's one that does nothing more than tries to use this to drive a wedge for politics. and i think that we as a country are better than that. >> the president, you know, obviously the shooter in el paso echoed some of the president's words in his manifesto. he wanted to stop a hispanic invasion of texas. invasion is a word the president of the united states used repeatedly when talking about immigration. now he fights back against the -- whether his rhetoric had anything to do with the atmosphere we have now. ed yesterday he rejected hate speech. he did regent racism. he did the no talk about his own
words. bup here is what he said. >> the shooter in el paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. in one voice our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. these sinister ideologies must defeated. hate has no place in america. >> governor, do you believe the president? >> yeah, erin, you know on a monday he can't say in one voice that we should condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy when for the last two and a half years he has been using race and often bigotry to divide this nation. and it's one of these that time and time again, sinically, so people can't actually recognize he is doing anything to improve our -- their lives he is using race to divide. he is -- when white nationalists
tacitly think okay this guy is going to have my back, in is not contributing to anything constructive. and he is the leader of the free world. he shouldn't be someone speaking the way that he does speak. >> governor bullock, thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thanks, zblooern next beto o'rourke may have left the campaign trail to return to el paso but he is getting more attention because of his response to the deadly mass shooting. >> keep that [ bleep ] on the baffled do not bring it into our communities. d created a menu you've never seen before. bloom, there it is! bloom, there it is! bloom, there it is! this bloom-ified menu starts at $13.99. offer ends soon, at outback.
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battlefield. >> reporter: it would be a first hint since the rereaction to ra the tragedy. and anger, specifically directed at president trump. >> let's be very clear about what is causing this and who the president is, he is an open, avowed racist. >> reporter: the presidential candidate has visited victims in hospital, encouraged the community to give blood and channelled the community's outrage, at times his frustration boiling over. >> he's being calling mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. members of the press, what the [ bleep ]. hold on a second. >> reporter: that has led to attacks from the president trump
camp. >> that doesn't help prevent another mass shooting. they're raising their profile. >> reporter: but beto o'rourke is making it clear he stands by what he says. since launching his presidential campaign, he has struggled to recapture the energy surrounding his 2018 senate run, consistently down in the polls since and falling behind in the money race. and as of today his campaign has no clear indication of what comes next. and while he's not interested in talking about the campaign, it is clear o'rourke has no plans to back down from this fight. >> we have to show that is the exception, not the rule, but that will become the new normal if we allow it to be, if we don't stand up. >> reporter: today o'rourke took aity si itdecided step off that platform. he was meeting today with victims and families. we're waiting to see how he responds to president trump's expected visit here to el paso tomorrow. his campaign saying they don't know what his plans are at this
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sfwlfr . new tonight, close to military trauma, that's how a doctor described the chaos after the mass shooting in which 23 people were killed. he's a critical care doctor in el paso. he is "outfront." i appreciate your time. you're a pediatrician. on saturday you were called to the e.r. to respond to this unimaginable event, mass casualty shooting, treating three people at the same time. when did you have realize what was happening? >> well, we were in the newborn nursery, attending to babies when the nurses started talking about receiving texts and receiving notifications that there was a probably shooting and a few seconds later confirm it. so that's when everybody got an
alert. then a few seconds later, you know, there was through the overhead speakers, you know, saying that there was a mass casualty event. so at that time it was all hands on deck so we just came down to help. >> so, you know, doctor, you are an american obviously an american doctor. you were born in mexico. you came to el paso. can you process the fact that this shooter said that he was targeting an hispanic invasion of america? >> it's just hard to find out how that happens, you know, but unfortunately those are the times that we're dealing with today. and so for us as medical doctors, we're deal with the violence, we've been dealing with violence for a long time. so this is actually a different level. but it hurts us, just like any other community member. >> you know, you describe el paso as the best of both worlds.
you live in the u.s., you are still so close to mexico. it has the best of everything in that way. do you think people in your community are afraid now, doctor? >> you know, i suspect that not only people in our community are afraid for changes that are occurring into our society. i believe that, you know, that, yes, some of the people that live here, you know, like anywhere else, everybody is so close together and communicating with media, everybody is so aware, so quickly things are happening. the uncertainty of the times, probably mortify people all the time. >> i appreciate your time and i appreciate your being willing to share this with us, as someone who has had a dream come true of coming to this country and becoming a doctor and saving lives in this horrific event. i hope people know your story. thank you so much, dr. sainz.
>> thank you. >> and thanks very much to all of you for joining us. we are expecting a press conference from police in ohio at any moment, as we try to learn more about the motive in that horrific massacre. our coverage continues now with "ac360." good evening. from el paso there is a press conference in bell brook, ohio where the dayton shooter lived. authorities are expected to read a statement from the shooter's family. it the first time we are hearing from that family. we're watching that very closely. it looks like the officer is about to start. let's listen. so this is our prepared statement from the betts family. the betts family is shocked and devastated by the events of sunday morning in the oregon district. they offer their most heart-felt prayers and condolences to all the victims, their f