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make a change because, let's be honest, it's been too long already. let's bring in d. lemon. they love you in el paso, d. lemon. one of the bright spots being here. other than love of community is the love that they have for you, which i take is an obvious manifestation of their being stressed. >> you want to tell everybody what the taxi driver called you the other day in detroit? >> chris lemon. he was also stressed. they are very much on edge here. i'm using -- i'm using comedy, some levity to lighten it up. they're very much on edge, but there is an opportunity in it, don. if the president comes here tomorrow and he acts like a president, people are going to be surprised, it will be a good thing. >> i agree. listen, you need to smile sometimes, but i can't imagine what the folks there are going through. as many times as we cover it, every experience is unique. every human being deserves dignity. everyone who died -- their lives were cut short or they were
injured and they weren't supposed to be. so we have to do something about it and that's why i am ecstatic that we're doing this town hall and that you're hosting it. and i hope it does make a difference. you know, i'm usually the pessimist among the two of us, right? i used to be an optimist. lately i'm a pessimist. lately you're the optimist. you say you hope this time it will be different. maybe it will. i get the feeling it could be different. at least i hope that it will be. i can't wait to see what you do with the town hall tomorrow. >> they're just common sense things they can do. the idea of coming together against hate and they have to stop this, if you want to take about right nationalists, you have to talk about, you know, this people -- these people on the left. that nonsense has got to go. anybody who acts out of political agenda through violence is bad, and they should be seen as the same. the politicizing of everything has to stop. i think that having this town hall and hearing voices that
experienced it and understand it may be provocative for those in congress. if we keep pushing them, i think we can get lucky here. certainly the country needs it. >> it's extremist whether it's left or right. they're both extremists and both wrong. everyone keeps wanting to debate that. how do you stop all of it? how do you stop people who shouldn't have access to guns from getting guns? how do you do all of that? how do you stop the mentality of someone who thinks they have the authority over someone else's life or many people's lives where they can just walk into an event, an outdoor event or indoor space or what have you and just start randomly shooting people? it's got to stop, and we have to stop, meaning the entire country, especially our politicians, they have to stop politicizing it. this is not right and left. this is about right versus wrong. i know it's a cliche, but it is true. >> absolutely. and they can't keep saying, well, there are a lot of different parts and use that as an excuse to deal with none of the parts. that's something hopefully we'll bring across tomorrow night and every night because frankly that's part of ours mandate
every night and doing it here in el paso has been a blessing. el paso comes from the idea of the passage north, and this place is a rite of passage for this country right now. this community reflects us at our best. whether it's a function of diversity or togetherness, i've never seen people deal with tragedy with more love and outrage than i've seen here. >> i'm digging the shirt. if they can pull back so i can see the shirt again. i think it's great that you wore that. i was wearing -- >> it won't look this good on you, i want you to know that now. so we need to prepare for disappointment. >> that one i'm sure you're going to give to mario, your young son because it will fit him better than it fits you. >> exhale, exhale, don lemon. >> i'm glad you wore -- last week i wore my puerto rico shirt every day that i got from rickie martin when he was doing his project for puerto rico. so i'm glad you're wearing that shirt. bring me one back, will you? >> don -- >> thank you. i'll see you tomorrow. i can't wait to see the town hall. safe travels, my friend. this is cnn tonight.
i'm don lemon. all i can say is wow, wow. you have to sit and watch this. i saw wow because that didn't take long. as people all across this country express shock and grief over the senseless mass shootings in el paso and dayton, that killed 31 people, the fox and friends apology team already out defending president trump for the ugly and divisive rhetoric he uses when targeting undocumented immigrants at the southern border. investigators in el paso, well, they say that the suspected gunman posted a racist manifesto just 20 minutes before opening fire on innocent people. shopping at a walmart. it's filled with white supremacist language and hateful words aimed at immigrants and latinos. the killer hoping to stop what he calls the hispanic invasion of texas. that keyword, invasion. president trump, as we know, uses that word, invasion, all
the time as a billy club against undocumented immigrants. so his defenders on the fox morning show sprang right into action. >> when you have over 110,000 people coming a month, over a million last year, and then well over a million this year, if you use the term an invasion, that's not antihispanic. it's a fact. >> not surprising. that pleased the president, who immediately tweeted, i am the least racist person. people who aren't racist don't have to tweet that they're not. they prove it in how they act. that means the president has to answer for a few things, like why he posted 2200 facebook ads warning of an invasion. at the u.s. border, by undocumented immigrants seeking asylum.
or why he riles up the base at his rallies with these ugly words. >> this is an invasion. when you see these caravans starting out with 20,000 people, that's an invasion. i was badly criticized for using the word invasion. it's an invasion. and it's also an invasion of drugs coming in from mexico, okay. it's an invasion of drugs. these are rough, rough people in many cases. >> and if they're allowed to breakthrough our borders, only larger and bigger, we have emboldened these people. it's not going to happen. >> yes, sir, we have barbed wire going up. because, you know what, we're not letting these people invade our country. >> classic trump. he cannot run away from the words we have all heard him use time and time again.
tomorrow president trump travels to dayton and el paso in his role as commander in chief. the proper thing to do. he'll be welcomed by some in both cities and not welcome by many as well. it's not his first visit to el paso this year, okay. he held a rally there back in february. riling up his base with harsh language about undocumented immigrants. >> we are cutting loose dangerous criminals into our country. murderers, murderers, killings, murders. >> well, as we all know by now, it wasn't the immigrants who committed murder last weekend there in el paso. it was a white supremacist american. the president also accused immigrants of being a drain on public resources, endangering the lives of residents, and making this claim about el paso. >> but if we had proper border security, including a very powerful wall, we wouldn't have
to work so hard. and it would be a lot safer and a lot better. >> turns out the president was following up to statement that he made days earlier in his state of the union address claiming el paso is one of the most dangerous cities in the country. that's a false claim. so facts first. el paso's mayor, republican dee margo, publicly disputed the president's statement, saying that his city is a safe place to live. and that violent crime was under control by 2005. long before a border fence was completed in 2009. fbi crime stats back that up. but president trump dismissed those facts at that rally because they got in the way of his message to his base. insisting that crime dropped only after a barrier wall was built and taking a swipe at the mayor.
>> i don't care whether a mayor is a republican or a democrat. they're full of crap when they say it hasn't made a big difference. [ cheers and applause ] >> facts don't matter to him. and after that rally where he criticized the city and its leaders, he stiffed the taxpayers there for the bill for his security. to the tune of half a million dollars. the city is asking the trump campaign to pay up, a total which includes about $100,000 in late fees. mayor dee margo is set to meet with the president tomorrow. as in dayton's democratic mayor -- as is dayton's democratic mayor nan wayly. >> he's the president of the united states. and as he has an official capacity as president, you know, i'm the official capacity of mayor, i will greet him here. look, i know that, you know,
he's made this bed and he's got to lie in it. he hasn't, you know -- his rhetoric has been painful for many in our community and i think that people should stand up and say they're not happy if they're not happy that he's coming. >> protesters will likely gather in both dayton and el paso tomorrow. if for nothing else than to let president trump know that his racist rhetoric is hurtful and that something needs to be done about weapons of war being available on america's streets. we have some breaking news tonight. exclusive video showing the dayton gunman inside the bar just before he killed nine people. i've always been excited for what's next.
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i'm gonna read 100 books. i'm gonna ask katie out to the school dance. happy school year! so, here's the breaking news. i want you to look up at your screen now. we're getting the first look at the dayton gunman in the moments leading up to his deadly rampage on sunday. you see him highlighted in the middle of the screen. this is security camera footage obtained exclusively by cnn. it shows the shooter's movements before he fatally shot nine people, including his sister. again, this video, surveillance camera video obtained exclusive by by cnn. he spent an hour at blind bob's bar after entering with his sister and an acquaintance who ended up wounded. the time stamp is 11:20.
the camera clock is approximately 11 minutes fast. that's according to bar staff. so you see him standing there right in the middle and moving about bob's bar. when leaving, the shooter speaks briefly with the staff member, and then he leaves peacefully. nothing in the video indicates an altercation or any other event that could give us a clue as to what prompted the rampage to come. just about an hour after he left. it's one new emotional element as the president and first lady prepare to visit el paso and dayton tomorrow. a spokesman saying the trumps want to grieve and pray with family members and offer their condolences. let's bring in cnn senior political commentator and ohio governor john kasich. good to see you. i wish it was under better circumstances. >> hey, don, listen, i saw some video earlier. there were some real heroes that i saw in both cities. people that threw their bodies in front to save other people. i mean, that's adjust some
remarkable things that people did in order to protect others. in fact, protecting others that they didn't even know. >> yeah. >> that's -- >> it's important to point out the good things and the acts of heroic acts and decency that people do in these situations. let's talk about what's happening there, because dayton's democratic mayor said she's going to greet the president in her official capacity as mayor. s she is making it clear like el paso it is not a warm welcome. what are you expecting from the president's visit to dayton tomorrow? >> i imagine there will be some protesters there. there are people going to be demanding that he follow through with things that he said. and, you know, i had to go to things that were -- i was at a shooting in shardan, ohio. if i hadn't done something, if i hadn't insulted people or polarized people -- when i went up there after the shooting, the
cameras -- the press don't even know i was there. i went into the back entrance of the school because i didn't want anybody to think i was up there because there were cameras there. and after spending about a day and a half, they asked me at a vigil that night to speak. had i done something or said something that would have polarized those people, i wouldn't have gone. i mean, just -- i don't think i would have ever gone. you know, so i can't think for what donald trump thinks about all this. i just -- going into el paso is -- >> do you think he should go? >> he's the commander in chief. you know, it would be extremely uncomfortable for me. >> you don't think he should go? >> no, he's going, so that's the end of it, don. i mean, he's going and he's the president and he has a right to go down there representing the country. i just hope that he goes down there -- and i expect with the urging probably of his wife and his daughter and those who are close to him, they're going to
tell him, you're just going to have to do some extraordinary things to show how affected you are by this. >> americans want to know -- >> i don't think there is anything -- i don't think there would be anything wrong if he were to go down there and say, you know, maybe sometimes i got -- maybe i said some things i shouldn't have said. and if i did and it contributed, i'm sorry. that would be okay. that would be okay to do. >> yeah, well -- >> do i think he's going to do that? no. don't you agree with me? >> that would be more than okay. that would actually be the right thing to do. >> yeah. >> that's what one of the mayors said, that she wanted, that's what she wanted from him, to do that. americans want to know what the federal government is going to do in response to these latest mass shootings. but, i mean, so far republicans aren't saying much. how much of that is because the president refuses to lead on this issue? >> i agree. oh, i think that's a large part of it. and frankly, you're starting to
see some senators speak out about the fact that mitch mcconnell needs to do something. you know, frankly, look, i was in the house when we dumped leader, when we got rid of people. and if your leader is not doing what the majority want, then, you know, you should be speaking out. you should say, look, this is what i expect. my votes on these other things -- i was mute to begin with. boehner left. bob michael got thrown out. i think you tell mitch mcconnell, this is what we expect. i don't know whether these people are hiding or something. there is a report, cnn had a report saying a lot of these senators said they'd be able to do comprehensive background checks, they'd be willing to go out and do something on assault weapons. but we don't know if the president will stand with us. who cares? who cares? i mean, you're down there to do a job. and if you have to be independent, at the end of the day the only person who sees you in the mirror is yourself.
and so, don, i mean, there should be more people that are going to stand up and say, mcconnell, let's get back here. okay, maybe he said he told some committees to produce something. fine, but you've got to do something here. >> let's talk about someone who is there, okay. i want to ask you about republican ohio congressman mike turner. he represents dayton. and he tweeted this, that his daughter was across the street from the shooting. he's now saying he supports legislation to ban military-style weapons sales. he wants magazine limits. red flag legislation. i mean, this is someone who has an a-rating with the nra last year. what's your reaction to that? >> three cheers for him. you know? i mean, people -- don, i actually believe that gun owners now, the vast majority of gun owners say we have to do something here. i believe that. and so, look, we talk about political courage -- >> most americans and gun owners, a large majority, yeah. >> absolutely. >> right. >> absolutely.
but what i'm trying to say is political courage, how much courage is it to say we need red flag laws? we have to have comprehensive background checks. we have to do something about the fact these people can get their hands on all this ammunition. what courage does it take to do that? i don't think it takes a lot of courage. i think it just says this is, this is common sense. this is what we have to do. so just go do it. and, you know, you'll survive. and if you don't survive and you did something you believed in, you know, you'll live to fight another day. >> well, john, i want to ask you, have you seen -- you may have seen nebraska state senator john mchollister. he tweeted out, he said the republican party is enabling white supremacy. >> yeah. >> the state gop leadership there wants him to switch parties. john conway reacting to that news today. he tweeted this. he said criticism of the leader is forbidden. is conway right? >> of course, he's not right.
the guy in nebraska who says the language has contributed to terrible things -- don, maybe you don't remember this. i wrote a book called to pass. why is it he criticized trump? why is it he didn't endorse him, why didn't he go to the convention? is he mad? it has to do with his relt rick, to pass, revision or unification. the guy said division has hurt the country now they say they want to throw him out of the party. maybe he ought to run for party chairman. get a medal. >> he said the republican party is enabling white supremacy. what do you think of that? >> i don't know if i would go that far. what i would say is that the rhetoric out of the president, just like what joe biden said, contributes to things that are very, very bad. that's what i felt all along. this is why i get so frustrated when i talk to republicans -- >> let's go do that -- hold on, let's slow down here. if the republican party continues to allow this
president to use the rhetoric that he's using, if they continue to allow the president to say that white supremacy and nationalism, terrorism, is not a threat even when the facts bear that out, and do nothing about it, how is that not the republican party enabling white supremacy? how is it not? >> because i'm a republican -- wait a minute, don. no, no, i'm a republican. mike turner is a republican. there are a lot of republicans. mitt romney has spoken out aggressively on these kinds of things. >> and the rest? >> let's not try -- >> and the rest? >> there are others looking the other way thinking they can get through this. >> that's my point. >> i don't agree with that. >> isn't that enabling white supremacy if the majority of the republican party is not speaking out -- hold on, let me finish my thought. if the majority of the republican party is not speaking out and is not holding this president accountable to -- for facts that are out there, that it is a huge problem, that is
not enabling? >> i think that they have overwhelmingly spoken out against white supremacistism. the president spoke about it. what some have a problem doing is trying to criticize this guy every day because there is always something every day at least many times a week that really drives them crazy. look, i'm on this channel all the time. i don't like to have to come on here and criticize him, but i have a responsibility to call it the way i see it. so i think -- i don't believe that republicans support that. i don't. >> john, i don't disagree with you -- >> i wouldn't be a republican. >> i commend you for doing that. the reason i'm asking you this, and i'm trying to pin you down on it because why does president -- why doesn't the rest of your party do that? why won't they come and speak out? why don't they speak out and do what you do? i'm not saying that you don't do it. i'm not saying that there aren't some in the party who do it, but t the majority don't. they don't hold this president
accountable. as you know, they come on, tell me if i'm lying, and they make excuses for his behavior. i don't think the president was being racist. i don't think what he stayed was racially insensitivity i think he was trying to say this, he was trying to do that. that's all i'm saying, john. >> well, don, i can't -- look, i am very frustrated at times when i talk to people who are republicans and they tell me, well, look at the economy. and i say, well, wait a minute. you want to teach your grandchildren to act this way, to divide people, to call names, to bully? i'm doing what i can do. don, everybody isn't like you and they're not all like me, okay. everybody doesn't stand up and say everything. they just don't. you know, i can't tell you why some do and why some don't. why do you do it? probably because your mother and father. why do you do if it? because of my mother, she was outspoken. if i have to take the heat, i take the heat. i've been taking a lot of heat. it doesn't bother me because i
have to say something that i think is going to be constructive. the thing i worry about being on the air all the time, i don't want to just be negative. i want to look for good things that happen, too. because our country is wonderful and people do not like what they see in this country today, and i think we have a moment in time now where we can make some dramatic changes for the good. that's the way i see it. and if i thought my party supported that stuff, i would leave my party. there are too many people who are quiet, who make excuses. look, i was outraged when my party wanted to strip away health care from 21 million americans. i am equally outraged when democrats says they want to kill private health insurance. i call it like i see it. that's all i want to do. >> one thing in there before we go. by pointing it out does not mean you're being negative. >> i'm listening. >> by pointing it out does not mean you're being negative. it's the facts.
>> that's right. >> i have a duty as a journalist to give people the truth. and if that comes off as negative, i'm sorry, but those are the facts. listen, i commend you and glad to have you on. you're a straight shooter and i appreciate it. thank you, john kasich. listen, continue to fight, continue to stand out and speak when it comes to the issue of guns which you have been leading on. >> i'll be in dayton tomorrow with jim sciutto early in the morning in dayton and i'm looking forward to seeing some people down there. thank you, don lemon. thanks for having me on. >> see you soon. absolutely. new poll shows majority of americans want the senate to pass tougher gun laws. will they finally act? current senator, there he is, michael bennett. like somehow you wind up getting less. but now that i book at hilton.com, and i get all these great perks. i got to select my room from the floor plan... very nice... i know, i'm good at picking stuff. free wi-fi... laptop by the pool is a bold choice... and the price match guarantee. how do you know all of this? are you like some magical hilton fairy? it's just here on the hilton app. just available to the public, so...
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a new usa today poll conducted after the shootings this past weekend found that 67% of all americans want the senate to pass the expanded background checks bill that passed in the house back in february. so joining me now to discuss is senator michael bennett of colorado, a candidate for the democratic nomination. senator, thank you so much for coming on. so, we've got some serious business to discuss, so let's get at it. overwhelming support for the universal background checks which has already passed. why isn't that enough pressure for the republicans and the president to move on this issue? >> it hasn't been enough to this point because the nra have captured these guys and mcconnell is not interested in doing anything except putting judges on the court. i think what we need to do is use this as an opportunity between now and november to push the bill that the house has
already passed and demand that he pass it. i don't think he will pass -- i don't think he'll put it on the floor, but if he doesn't, we're going to need him to pay a price for not having it put on the floor. >> um-hmm. you're rolling out a plan to reduce gun violence, senator, here. i want to give the main points outline some of them here. you call for universal background checks, a ban of high capacity magazines, assault weapons ban. is it getting the weapons of war off the streets? >> that's obviously key and i think that is an important piece of this. but i would say the first step is to pass that background check bill that the house has already passed. partly because it has the huge support among republicans and democrats in this country. you know, colorado was -- unfortunately we've had too many of these shootings, but the first one we had was columbine which happened 20 years ago. and my daughter, my oldest daughter is 19. she was born the year after
columbine. we are a western state. we are a second amendment state, and almost 20 years ago we passed exactly the same background check bill that the house of representatives just passed 20 years later. and i'm telling you, don, every year, 2 or 23% of t3% of the pet try to buy the gun in colorado can't by the gun. it turns out they're murderers, rapists, domestic abusers. there is nobody in colorado who thinks we're better off if those people get guns. and that's why we need to have this national legislation passed. the fact that nancy pelosi and the democrats have been able to pass this for the first time in two decades, this is where i think our focus should be, and we should be very clear with the american people that it's mcconnell who is standing in the way. if in fact he is, so far he is. >> speaking of him real quickly,
what did mcconnell do, he offered his prayers after the el paso shooting, but won't allow a vote on background checks. do you think he's the main barrier here? >> i think that -- i think trump is his own barrier. he's got -- i'm not sure he's got any ideological conviction here, but he doesn't want to make his base mad so i'm sure he's not helping matters either. the reality is the majority leaders, the person who sets the schedule in the senate, and mcconnell, you know, today you can see it already, he's trying to suggest there's going to be bipartisan legislation. you now it's all going to end up in heart break. we need to force this question. washington will not change if we don't force washington to change. that's what we're going to have to do. >> i want to get on to something else. one of the reasons you're in south carolina because race is going to be a huge theme in this primary and the general election. you held an event in south
carolina to address race in and equality in our education system. i want to play this. watch. >> our schools are as segregated today as they were 50 years ago. [ cheers and applause ] we need a conversation about what's happening now. and when there's a group of kids in this country that don't get preschool through no fault of their own and another group does, equal is not equal. and we've got a group of k-12 schools that are good because families can spend the million bucks and you've got the detroit public schools that are as segregated as they were. equal is not equal. [ cheers and applause ] >> you were the former superintendent of denver schools. what needs to be done to fix the inequality? >> we need to deal with the fact that we've got profound inequalities. and i think the federal government can play a very important role. but we also need to face facts, you know. it goes along with what you were saying to governor kasich.
i'm not trying to run down the country when i say this, but today i met with people in clarn den county, south carolina. there were people there whose parents filed a lawsuit 73 years ago -- 73 years ago -- that became a part of brown versus board of education. their parents' houses were burned down. they had to leave the county where their children were going to school. they got run out of the county. not just the county, out of the state for the rest of their lives. and 73 years later, the schools are as segregated as they were when their parents filed the county -- filed the case. and they are as unfair as they were then. there are 16 high schools in this terribly named area called the corridor of shame, which is a terrible name because it shouldn't reflect on the people that live there. and i hope that it doesn't. there are 16 high schools where not a single kid toobin an a.p. test this year. >> wow. >> there is a school of 1200
kids that's got 12 white kids in the school. and the inequities in funding in south carolina can't be solved from washington, but as a country we have to take notice of the fact that if you're born poor in america, your chances of graduating with a college degree are roughly 9 in 100. if you are lucky enough to graduate with a college degree and you're african-american in this country, you still earn less than the average white high school graduate in this country. so there are racial dimensions to this -- sorry. >> no, go on, that's okay. listen, i think it is an important issue. it is a very important issue and i know you'll be talking about it on the campaign trail. before we go, i know we have to go, but i want to get this. you tweeted this today. if you elect me president, i promise you won't have to think about me for two weeks at a time. i'll do my job watching out for north korea and ending this trade war so you can go raise
your kids and live your lives. a lot of people are feeling that. do you think -- because every day they turn on the tv or they look at the news alert, oh, nigh gosh, what has happened now? is america suffering from trump fatigue? >> we are suffering from trump fatigue. imagine a world, don, where you didn't have to wake up every morning listening to this craziness, this nonsense, this hatred coming out of the white house. imagine if we had a president who is about uniting the american people instead of dividing the american people just at the outset of what they try to do every day. imagine if we had a president who took their job as seriously as those people in clarendon county fighting for their kids 70 years later. their answer on all this is we have to vote. that's what they said today. we need to vote. we need to beat these people that aren't doing what they need to be doing for our -- >> i've got to run. i'm out of time. thank you, senator bennett, i
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democratic congressman joaquin castro facing backlash from republicans tonight after tweeting the names of employers of some of the president's top donors in san antonio. the twin brother of the 2020 candidate julian castro arguing that the contributions are fueling the campaign of hate that labels hispanic immigrants as invadeers. so joining me now is philip bump of, ryan lizza and laura barron lopez. good evening to one and all. kevin mccarthy has responded tweeting this, targeting harassing americans because of political beliefs is shameful and dangerous. what happens to when they go low or we go high? does that no longer matter when your brother is polling at 1%? americans deserve better. congressman castro fired back with his own tweet and he wrote this. he says, you're trying to
distract from the racism that has overtaken the gop and the fact that president trump spends donor money on thousands of ads about hispanics invading america. donald trump has put a target on the backs of millions and you're too cowardly or agreeable to say anything about it. is publishing these donors, is that fair game or is it over the line? >> well, look, congressman castro is right that this is public information, right? anyone can look up any of these donations. you know, he's faced a lot of criticism about this not just from republicans, but from a lot of mainstream journalists, a lot of liberals who think that it's a sort of dangerous precedent to pluck these names out of the fec database, publicize them to a very large twitter following, and perhaps, you know, incite someone against them.
so, look, i understand the arguments, and i don't think it was the wisest use of his megaphone. i understand what he's trying to do. he's trying to point out that these businessmen in his community of san antonio are funding beliefs that he finds reprehensible, but we're in a really sensitive environment right now and i think that's the kind of thing that maybe a member of congress wants to think twice before publicizing in that way. >> i want to put up, laura, this is one of the ads congressman castro is talking about. does he have a point? >> look, i think that repeatedly -- as ryan said, these are public -- these are public. reporters consistently will name donors in our reports. and the point that castro is trying to make is that they are
supporters of trump and the campaign that he has run since 2016. and that has been the campaign that has consistently targeted not just immigrants, but latinos as an entire community as well as other people of color from muslims and black people. and so even while trump just a day ago condemned white supremacy in the white house from his speech in the white house, he also was still running these campaign ads that were saying invasion over and over and over again. and so the question remains whether or not trump is going to continually condemn white supremacy and this domestic terrorism, or whether or not he's going to change his rhetoric. >> what do you think, phillip? >> i mean, i think there were other ways for castro to have made the point. he could, for example, have said here are a dozen people or there are several dozen people in san antonio who have maxed out a
number of names on the list were retirees. if it were some of them who led major business in san antonio, for example, perhaps that's something he can elevator a public figure in that way. i think is that it is there were ways he could have made his point that didn't necessarily lift up these individuals, who, you know, are not -- >> is there a concern for safety of these individuals? >> exactly. ryan made that point, too. >> if you're a supporter, be proud of it. >> exactly. we see people that wear donald trump stuff and is overt in their support for them. but it's different than having your name broadcast. these are people that hate communities. >> stand by, everyone. we'll be right back.
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president trump gearing up to visit el paso and dayton tomorrow in the wake of the deadly mass shootings. some leaders in both cities are pushing back against his visit. back with me now, philip bump, ryan lizza, laura barron-lopez. philip, what do you think, should he be going? >> it's -- it's an odd move for a couple reasons. the first is that president trump doesn't like to be around people who don't like him. he tends to isolate himself at rallies and he stays in the white house. he goes to his own private clubs. he's never really around people who are pushing back on him. so it's going to be interesting to see particularly in el paso how they navigate that. secondarily, i don't know why they want to do that, in el paso in particular. ohio makes more sense to me. el paso, so tense, so much blame -- >> why do you think he's doing it? >> for the same reason he gave
the speech yesterday. >> the pictures -- >> exactly, he has video clips he puts in the ads for 2020 that says, you know, he was the leader at the time the country needed him. >> what do you think, laura? >> well, you know, what i think is that i think he's going to be met with protests. we know that. also that congresswoman veronica escobar who represents el paso asked to have a phone call with trump. potentially so that we she could be where he is when he comes to visit the town and the white house declined that, so we expect her as well as beto o'rourke to have a separate event, while trump is there. >> yeah. >> again, you know, this community is very, you know, going through a horrific -- the horrific time right now and latino leaders are very frustrated and feel as though trump needs to repeatedly
condemn white supremacy and they also are calling on him to stop deportations in areas that have been affected by gun violence. >> hey, ryan -- >> that's not something -- >> i'm over, can you give me ten seconds? what do you think? >> look, quickly, the reason people don't want him there is because they think that he contributed to this massacre. and that's unusual. there's lots of times where presidents go places and they get protested, but they don't want him, especially in el paso, because they think he's partly responsible for this. and that is really unprecedented. >> thank you, all. >> thanks, don. >> thank you, all. we'll be right back. grab some pens. would shakespeare have chosen just "some pens?" methinks a tul pen would serve m'lady well. thanks. and a unicorn notebook! get everything on your list. this week's doorbuster- school backpacks for $10; $10 in store or online from the advisors at office depot officemax.
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