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tv   At This Hour With Kate Bolduan  CNN  August 9, 2019 8:00am-9:00am PDT

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[ inaudible question ] >> no, no, i never said what i'm saying now. what i said there, you had tremendous opposition from many people on both sides. i see a better feeling right now toward getting something meaningful done. and we did do things after parkland. but it wasn't to the same level that i'm talking about now. we did do the fix nicks and various other things, so we did do a lot of work after parkland. but i think now a chance to do something really much more meaningful. having to do, as you know, with background checks. >> reporter: what is your message to young children and teenagers who are anxious or nervous about going back to school after these mass shootings? >> my message to young children going back to school is go and
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really study hard and some day you'll grow up and maybe be president of the united states or do something else that's fantastic. they have nothing to fear or worry about. in addition, we're in constant contact with state governments and they are really doing a great job. it's so much better than it was two and a half years ago. two and a half years ago when i came in, it was not a good situation. i think we have a good system right now. that doesn't mean there's not going to be some crazy person. but that's what we want to do. we want to take the guns out of the hands of crazy, demented people. [ inaudible question ] >> we're not looking at that right now. we're really looking at very meaningful background checks. i think it's going to happen. there's great, great support. but we're looking at very, very meaningful background checks.
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[ inaudible question ] >> admiral, as you know, maguire, admiral maguire is a very talented man. he's a great leader as an admiral. he was always a great leader. he is a man who is respected by everybody and he's going to be for a period of time. who knows? maybe he gets the job. but he'll be there for a period of time, maybe a longer period of time than we think. we'll see. we're dealing with senator burr, we're dealing with the committee, we're dealing with probably nine or ten people that want the job very much. you know the name of almost every one of them. they're truly outstanding. everybody wants dni. everybody wants it. i will say that the admiral is such a great choice from the standpoint of now, and maybe he
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goes further. we'll see what happens. but we're dealing with a committee and senate burr. we have people, all of whom you know, highly respected people who will be making a decision in the not too distant future. >> reporter: [ inaudible ] secretary of labor [ inaudible ] >> eugene is a highly respected attorney in washington. his father was a great supreme court justice. even people without his views would say he was a great gentleman and man. he has had a fantastic career. as you know, he's our appointment for labor secretary. so far it's been received very well. he is a very -- he's one of the finest minds and lawyers in washington, and i will say so far that's been received very well.
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[ inaudible question ] >> he gave me a great letter. i would love to give it to you but i don't think it would be appropriate. but it was a very personal letter. it was a great letter. he talked about what he's doing. he's not happy with the testing. it's a very small testing that we did. but he wasn't happy with the testing. he put that in the letter. but he also sees a great future for north korea. and so we'll see how it all works out. in the meantime, i say it again, there have been no nuclear tests. the missile tests have all been short-range, no ballistic missile tests. no long-range missiles. we got back and we're getting back as we speak, we're getting back a lot of our fallen heros. you know that. they're coming back into and through hawaii. and we got back our hostages. i just got the letter yesterday. it was hand-delivered and it wasn't touched by anybody. they literally take it from
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north korea to my office. we have a system. it's the old-fashioned system. you don't have to worry about leaks. something nice about that system. [ inaudible question ] >> no, he wasn't happy with the tests, the war games, the war games on the other side with the united states and, as you know, i've never liked it either. i've never been a fan. you know why? i don't like paying for it. we should be reimbursed for it. and i've told that to south korea. but i don't like it either. but i said do this, because this was a big test. this was a turnover of various areas to south korea. i like that, because that's what should happen. >> reporter: [ inaudible ] united states and japan, everywhere in the u.s., what is your reaction to that?
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>> i can't imagine that. but if they did, we would just reciprocate. when somebody does something negative to us in terms of a country, we do it to them. look, our country has been taken advantage of by foreign countries, even allies, including allies, and in many cases more than anybody else. we've been taken advantage of for many, many years and it's stopped. >> reporter: pin your view, mr. president, should colin kaepernick get an opportunity to play in the nfl? >> only if he's good enough. why would he play? if he's good enough, and i think if he was good enough, i know the owners and i know bob kraft and so many of the owners. if he's good enough, they would sign him. so if he's good enough, i know these people, they would sign him in a heart beat. they will do anything they can to win games. so i would like to see it --
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frankly, i would love to see kaepernick come in if he's good enough. but i don't want to see him come in because somebody thinks it's a good pr move. >> reporter: are you worried about global markets pulling back at all? >> well, the global markets are not as good as our market. it's been really good. >> reporter: are you worried about the effect? >> it's never positive, but you could say it puts us in a better position. i vut it differently. most people would say that's a bad thing. i would say the fact that other countries aren't doing very well -- china in particular is doing horribly. it's the first time that anyone can remember, they are having a year hike they' year like they never had. they're having one of the worst years ever. the numbers are phony. they're not doing 6.2. >> reporter: what do you think they're doing? >> maybe neutral.
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>> do you believe reporters calling you a white supremacist helps you? >> i don't think it helps. first of all, i don't like when they do it because i am not any of those things. i think it's a disgrace and i think it shows how desperate the democrats are. look, right now i'm working with the democrats on meaningful background checks. hopefully we can do something. so i don't want to focus too much on that. i will say this. for them to throw out the race word again, race ist, race ist, that's all they used to anybody. they called nancy pelosi a racist. she's not a racist. they call anybody a racist when they run out of cards. i'm winning in the polls, they're desperate, they've got lousy candidates. they've got bad candidates. i watch the debates. i mean, i -- well, joe biden can't answer a simple question. something is going wrong with him. i mean, the only thing is a lot
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of people think that he was the won that wanted bob mueller to testify because it made joe look intelligent, okay. >> reporter: is your base supporting background checks? >> i think my base relies very much on common sense and they rely on me in terms of telling them what's happening. i think meaningful background checks, i don't just say background checks checks. we passed background checks a number of times, but everybody knew they weren't that strong. >> reporter: you want to expand the law? >> i think meaningful background checks are a real positive. politically i can't tell you, good, bad or different. i don't care politically. i don't want to have crazy people having guns. >> that was interesting. president trump speaking to reporters as he's leaving the
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white house talking about quite a lot as he usually does when he's leaving the white house. he's now headed to fundraisers in the hamptons. i'm kate bolduan. thank you for joining me. let get over to the white house once again. that is where jeremy diamond is standing by. you were in there during the 30-plus minute back and forth with the president. it is interesting. he's making some strong statements on gun measures, specifically on background checks. meaningful background checks, common sense, important background checks. did he break new ground here? >> reporter: well, these were certainly the most extentive and forceful comments we've heard from the president so far in terms of talking about background check in the wake of the shootings we had in el paso and dayton, ohio. as far as specifics, you hit it on the nose when you're talking about how he described the background check legislation that he would support. again, intelligent background checks. we don't want guns in the hands
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of the wrong people, common sense, sensible. that was as specific as the president got in terms of explaining what kind of legislation he would actually support. and that does leave the president a lot of wiggle room here in terms of what kind of action he can actually get through congress. but it was clearly the focus of the president's 30-plus minute remarks this morning. he talked also about speaking with the senate and house leadership, democrats and republicans, about taking action on background checks specifically, and he suggested that the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell is prepared to take some kind of action, again leaving a big question mark as to what specifically that would be. and the president also talking about the nra, which just this week after speaking with the president, the nra put out a statement making very clear that they are not supportive of any additional background check measures. the president, nonetheless, saying that he believes that ultimately the nra will either get on board with his ideas, or as a minimum perhaps be neutral.
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those were the words that the president used this morning to %-p as how far the president is actually willing to go. and i asked the president whether he would call congress back to act on this and also what would be different this time versus after parkland when he did call for background check legislation. the president says he doesn't see a need to call congress back into session, because in a few weeks they will indeed be back. and he also said that he believes this is different than after parkland. he sats he has a different feeling, particularly about how republican senators feel about the issue. kate. >> so fascinating, when he says that politics do not matter to him at all. jeremy, thank you so much. joining me to talk much more, cnn political analyst and cnn commentator and former communications director. bre brendan who was an aide. >> i've got questions about the
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myriad of questions that the president brought up. since jeremy teed us off. what do you make of what the president said right there? intelligent background checks, there's common sense, meaningful, i don't care about politics, everyone wants background checks. do you sense that -- do you sense that is real movement and real pressure on republicans? >> potentially yes and it depends on how donald trump wants to use his leverage. he said one of the most true statements he's ever said in his presidency in that gaggle right there when he says my base relies on me. his base does rely on him. but it's up to him then to do something with that base instead of being beholden to it. because republican base voters trust trump in the way that they wouldn't trust a jeb bush or a scott walker to cut the deal on guns. so if trump leans in and works republican members, he can cut that deal with republican and
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democratic leadership that he can be -- and democrats can be proud of. >> but there's a lot of big, big ifs on this because this is a lot of talk. and it does not sound likely at all that mcconnell is going to be calling the senate back or the house is going to be coming back either. can you just give me your gut on this? because gun politics have been the way they've been for a very long time. republican lawmakers in the house and the senate right now, what are they hearing? do you think they're hearing more pressure or more from the nra? they see the president say this and what do they do? >> there's a lot of pressure when something like this happens. it's intense pressure, too. but let me take you into the room for something mitch mcconnell is probably thinking right now. thank you for asserting that i'm for background checks. i don't think so. he's sitting there thinking if you're mitch mcconnell, there are maybe two or three things that are most important to him. one is he doesn't want to divide his conference. i've sat in rooms with him where he doesn't want to say this cuts me down the middle, i don't want
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to divide the conference. the other thing that's important to him is his vulnerable members. he cares about making sure they hold the senate. so one thing is look for is their pressure on corey gardener. is there pressure on senators in arizona and maine who are coming back and wonderering like what are we going to do? the real issue is congress is not coming back for a month. >> time matters here, right? and when you hear donald trump say i don't think we need to come back, can you just explain to people every day matters when it comes to the urgency after a tragedy like this? >> i will be very surprised if in five weeks, god foregid something else happens, we're still talking about this. and the real issue as doug said, the president is the one who is going to decide whether or not this happens. and the president doesn't really have a long attention span. he's going on a vacation now for eight days and he's going to be
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playing golf with who knows who is putting stuff in his head. >> part of the republican members is they've walked the plank for trump before and they've been cut off when he walks back from commitments he's made. >> name me one example of a time where the president has pushed republicans to do something they didn't want to do and follow through on it. he's said i will stand up to whoever and make it okay for you and then it just fades away. >> these two are really plugged in, also good friends of mine. what i'm hearing from you is very well-deserved and healthy skepticism on you do hear republicans speaking out, but there's real skepticism what this is going to mean in five weeks. margaret, let me bring you in on this. what do you make of the president here? he's saying that he's had great conversations with the nra and the nra is either going to get
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on board or be neutral. no one knows exactly, but if past is prologue that doesn't seem like that's going to be the case. what do you make of what the president's position is in this moment that he doesn't care about the politics of gun measures? >> well, kate, of course he cares about the politics. it's an election year, he's running for reelection. but i do think that it is right to put that caveat at the end of this. if there were any other republican president, if there were george w. bush and he came out and made the statements that president trump just made, any reporter would walk away from that situation saying, wow, major change, the president is going to circle up with his legislative team, we're going to see a package of gup control legislation that's going to be ready to go in september. with president trump, sort of we'll see where we are in a few weeks. but strategically and tactically what i saw him doing is test, and i think we'll see in the next few weeks him doing this, test whether he can change what
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the debate is about. from whether it is about the right to bear arms or pass your guns down to your children, to redefining this as a public safety around mental health issues kind of debate. >> keeping guns out of the hands of quote, unquote, bad people in his view. not taking guns away from you and me. >> he said it again and again. he's not going to win any nuance or finessing awards from the national association for the mentally ill because he used the word crazy several times and crazy and bad and mentally ill and crazy interchangeably. so in terms of mental health advocacy, not necessarily using 2019 language. but strategically what he's trying to do, it seems like is to see where he can sort of turn this away from a debate about whether or not people have this sort of like core right. like second amendment, like intertwined with what it is to
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be an american. is this a second amendment debate or a public safety around mental health issues debate. and he may take his cues from whether he's able to successfully do that. he also talked a lot about his self awareness about his standing in the party right now. 94% support from republicans. he said that both the senate and his base, and baby the nra, will take some cues from him. for the president politically, his concern has got to be does he lose that 94% standing if he does what would be a major shift for him. and on the flip side, could he lose the senate, could republicans lose the senate if they don't do something on gun control. we heard him talking about background checks. it seems clear he's not interested in going any farther, ie assault weapons ban. we also heard him talk about some legislation involving red flag, federal grant or whatever it would be for the states, and
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we heard him talking about age. and i would like to hear more on that. >> that seemed confusing. a seemed a little bit confusing on what he was getting at. when people refer to age they often are referring to the age you must be in order to purchase a gun. it doesn't sound like that's what he was going at. >> he was talking about the idea that you would be a high school student with a bunch of red flags or risks that your teachers and educators, principals would be aware of and that when you turned 18 magically that would disappear and it would not stand in the way of you being able to purchase or carry a weapon. so what is it that the president is prepared to do? we've been talking a lot about executive action. it seemed during this half hour monologue that he is talking about legislation. he gave us a lot to think about but i think he's on a plane now
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and he's going to have lindsay graham in his ear and he'll be in the hamptons. he'll have a lot of blue state supporters in his ear. >> i still think the equation is where it was before. all eyes still are on senator mcconnell and what his decision and his calculus is. do you fundamentally think that senator mcconnell -- you listened to the three important things in his calculations. do you think that they have fundamentally shifted since this past weekend's horrific shooting? >> there's one way you can look at how things are different. if you look at the politics in the last few years, republicans have been getting killed in suburbs, every poll you see, the places that we're losing are with women, educated women and in the suburbs. if we continue to go down that path we'll become a rural white party and that's not a national party. i think mitch mcconnell understands enough that perhaps we are hurting so bad in the
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suburbs that maybe it's time to do something that this is some place we can make up some ground. >> i think we still have the sound bite. to that point, tim ryan, democratic congressman from ohio who is running for president. he said something that got to this point this morning. i want to play it for you. i found it really interesting. listen to this. >> i'm telling my republican friends very clearly here, this is not like all the rest. when a congressman have youngstown, ohio can say, hey, we're going to meet you in louisville kentucky in 12 hours and 1500 people show up from states, moms demand action organizing it, you know something is happening. i would just tell them be very careful. >> let me give you a good example. i'm from the georgia 6th congressional district. it's typically conservative. that is now held by a democratic and a gun activist democrat whose son was tragically killed
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in gun violence and that is a suburban atlanta district. you've got educated sort of upper middle class voters that we are just losing right and left. and if that's the trend that continues, we will be a minority party for a very long time. >> very interesting. margaret brought up something interesting, executive act. donald trump, no hesitation using that in the past, bump stocks, that's kind of how they acted. if the president would go the route of executive action, do you think that takes the pressure off congress or do you think it's something different, that it actually provides congress cover so they could do something more? >> tahe answer is a little bit f both. he's somebody that likes to sign an executive order and hold it up so we all see he's accomplished something. this allows him to do so and takes a little pressure off congress, but it also depends on the time frame and how much longer if something is to happen. if he signs something and something happens two weeks from now, that's a real problem.
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but i don't think we can underestimate the power he has with his base. if he goes to his voters and says i will not take your guns, they know he's not going to take their guns. if a jeb bush or scott walker would not have that credibility. mitch mcconnell is going to run this in the senate, but donald trump is the ultimate decider but it's going to require a sustained effort and he doesn't do a lot of sustained efforts. >> not in the slightest. i'm crazy about the calendar because i think timing really matters here. let us see what the next 12 hours brings because this could shift very quickly. but right now it's a very interesting place. thanks, guys, i appreciate it. it's great to see you. coming up for us, president trump says massive i.c.e. raids in mississippi will help curb illegal immigration. that is a harsh reality to be facing when you see the faces of crying children who were deserted begging for any information on their parents who have been picked up on these raids. one mayor of mississippi calls
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the raids dehumanizing. he joins us next. >> plus another shakeup at the top intelligence agency. the number two top official resigning. what does this mean for the nation's intelligence apparatus and what about the reports the president even refused to allow her to brief him before she headed out? stay with us. sfx: upbeat music a lot of clothes you normally take to the cleaners aren't dirty dirty. they just need a quick refresh. try new febreze clothing quick dry mist. it eliminates odors and refreshes lightly-worn clothing. breathe happy febreze... la la la la la.
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president trump moments ago saying the immigration raids in cities across mississippi will deter illegal immigration. i.c.e. agents rounded up almost 700 undocumented workers, more than half of them are still in custody right now. the immediate impact, really heart breaking when you see the video. young children left stranded at daycare or arriving home from their first days of school to find no one there in some cases. children left to fend for themselves or depend on the kindness of neighbors and strangers. cnn spoke with some of them. >> i was really afraid about what was going to happen to my mother because she always supported me and she didn't do anything wrong. she isn't a criminal. hispanic people don't come to hurt or injure anybody. >> the most horrible thing is i can't do nothing.
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there's nothing i can do anymore. >> reporter: if you could say something to your dad right now, what would it be? >> i hope you come back. i hope god protects you. >> oh, my goodness. i hope you come back and that god will protect you. so what happens now in these communities? joining me right now is the mayor of jackson, mississippi. mayor, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you, indicate. i appreciate the opportunity to speak to you. >> thank you. what's your reaction to these raids? you've been very critical. what happened in your state? >> i think what we've seen, kate, is we witnessed the absence of humanity for people whoob attacked at the work place while they're simply trying to make a living to care for their family, to provide a quality of life for their loved ones, for children to experience the trauma that they did on the first day of school is unconscionable. i think, as i've said before,
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these are dehumanizing accounts and i don't think we have the luxury of standing on the sideline and just allowing this to happen. >> do you have a handle, mayor, on how many people from your town were picked up? i know it was a food processing plants and kind of six different areas in the state. do you know how many kids were left stranded from your town? >> i do not have an exact number of individuals that may have lived in my city. this is -- this raid took place in central mississippi. jackson is overwhelmingly the largest city in the entire state, so we can assume impact to our city. but even if that weren't the case, i think that we have a responsibility to speak out when we see these dehumanizing acts taking place. >> president trump was today about the raids this morning just moments ago in the kind of gaggle with reporters we were playing for our viewers. let me play once again for you what he just said about the
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raids. >> i want people to know that if they come into the united states illegally, they're getting out. they're going to be brought out. this serves as a very good deterrent. if people come into our country illegally, they're going out. they're not coming in illegally and staying. we have bad laws. we may get in, although we're being very tough, but they may get in. but it doesn't matter, because they're going out. and when people see what they saw yesterday and like they will see for a long time, they know that they're not staying here. >> what's your reaction to that, mayor? >> i would say that instead of his focus being the prevention of the browning of the nation, he should push his efforts towards supporting cities and supporting communities instead of attacking people who are simply trying to make a living. we see a country where our infrastructure is crumbling,
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where we see threats like what took place in el paso. to attack people on the same day that you're consoling supposedly, a traumatized community that, won, it just shows nefarious intent. it appears that what was important to him is sending a message to his base. what we're seeing today is neither democratic -- a democrat issue or republican issue. it's a question of whether they have a soul in this nation, a soul enough not to allow children to be traumatized on their first day of school. not to take advantage of people who have no intent of creating harm for anyone. >> where do things stand right now from your perspective? it seems very clear that you didn't get a heads-up that the raids were coming and many of the school districts say they did not get a heads-up, which is actually protocol which something like this could be happening for children at school. are you requesting more information, are you getting any more information about where things stand, where children are, how they're going to be
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reunited? >> kate, we're still in a posture of gathering details. there have been a number of organizations that have rallied together to be support everybody of our immigrant neighbors. we do not know a specific total of children affected. as you can imagine, some of the parents that were picked up are hesitant to share that they even have children for fear that their children will be placed in a system which may not be conducive to them. when we're trying to encourage our immigrant community to trust some of the institutions that are there to provide services to them, we forefit more credibility when we see raids like this take place. >> i was actually wondering what your message is to the community. i saw one statement that you put out that you were calling on churches and faith institutions to open up their doors and become sanctuaries for immigrants to help protect them. what is your message? in saying that, are you saying that you want immigrants in your
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neighborhoods to go into hiding? >> what i am saying to my community, which i represent a very progressive constituency, is that we should open up our institutions, our faith institutions for the protection of people to help people. in fact, i would argue that that is the foundation for the creation of our institutions, our faith institutions, is to be there to help those in need. and so i'm just calling on them to fulfill that purpose. and many have responded to that call. i'm calling on us not to oppose the rhetoric that is divisive. when we say things like someone has come here to take our jobs, if they were our jobs no one could take them. when we look at the corporations which are exploiting these workers, no one is talking about how they are being prosecuted for their exploitation. and when we allow for these conditions and fail to inform ourselves of how many of the people join us to begin with,
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often required to give up their life savings solicited from their country of origin in order to come here for opportunity, and yet we're critical of them as they're working under these oppressive conditions and this constant threat. it doesn't serve their best interest, nor does it serve the best interest of everyone who is arguing for honest living wages to begin with. >> thank you so much for being here. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> coppiming up for us, a man heavily armed and wearing body armor sparks panic, understandably, at a walmart in missouri. and this is just days after the mass shooting at the walmart in el paso. what was he trying to do? what happened? that is next. is that net carbs or total?...
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we are not talking about el paso, texas. this time in springfield, missouri, police say a man walked into a walmart wearing body armor and being heavily armed. he was arrested before any shots could be fired, thankfully. cnn has more details. omar, the pictures of this guy are terrifying. does law enforcement know exactly what he was intending to do? >> reporter: at this point that is what we're trying to piece
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together, a motive. a man we now know is identified as andreychenko, why he walked into this walmart yesterday. you could see some of what he was wearing, a bulletproof vest, armed with a rifle. he was apparently walking around filming himself on a smartphone and pushing a shopping cart. and at that point the manager thought that was enough to pull the fire alarm because he didn't know what was going to happen next, and get people out of that walmart. and then at that point as people were evacuating, this man exited out of an emergency exit where he was met by an armed off-duty firefighter who actually confronted him and detained this man until police arrived just a few minutes later as well. but yeah, in regards to why exactly this happened, that is at the very center of this investigation. and obviously this did not happen in a vacuum. it comes within the context of the shooting that unfolded at the el paso walmart just five days prior at that point and you can imagine at the very least
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the manager wanted to be on the safe side and get people out of an abundance of caution. and obviously we see the good news is no shots fired and no one injured. but at the time no one knew what was going to happen. >> omar, he has been charged now, i think as of this morning. what more are you learning about the charges? >> reporter: so at this point he's been charged with making a terrorist threat in first degree, which typically involves cases where purposefully he is threatening a large number of people and purposefully could be causing an evacuation of some building as well. and the springfield police department saying that they are going to -- once official charges are filed, we will get more information in regards to this person in particular. but for right now, they are trying to hone in again on a motive and trying to move forward into why exactly this man would have walked in and did what he did. >> coincidence or not, it's really scary it's happening at another walmart days later. omar, thank you so much.
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experience in intelligence posts. she handed in her resignation when it became clear that president trump would not allow her to take over as acting director of national intelligence, a post the law dictates that she is in line for. a handwritten note gordon addressed to the president alongside her resignation letter indicates her departure was not her choice. you see the note right there in part saying i offer this letter as an act of respect and patriotism, not preference. you should have your team. joining me now is cnn's national correspondent, alex marquardt and samantha vinaigrette. there are a lot of folks democrat and republican voicing strong support for gordon as she is on her way out and concerns about what her departure means. what are you hearing about why she is leaving? >> well, it appears that she really had no choice but to leave and she makes it pretty clear in that handwritten note, which was extraordinary. that was released by the white house. that was a note that was attached to her resignation letter. i think it bears re-reading.
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she says that her resignation was an act of patriotism, not preference. you should have your team. as in i didn't want to leave. it's clear to me that you don't want me on your team. if you look at what sue gordon represents, it's not what the president is interested in. you've got almost 40 years in the intelligence community. she's part of that intelligence establishment. she has reported to obama's cia director, john brennan. the president wants loyalty. he doesn't like obama's people, he doesn't like the establishment. that's why he named john ratcliffe, you'll remember, the congressman from texas to be the dni when dan coats steps down on august 15th. ratcliffe is someone who has shown she would fight for the president. that appointment crashed and burned as we saw last week. at the same time that ratcliffe was named, gordon was not named the acting director. so her stepping down now was to a large extent expected, but also feared among the
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intelligence community where she is so well respected, so widely adored as well as on capitol hill where she has been known for not politicizing her intelligence reports, for being a straight shooter. >> being a straight shooter, laying out straight, keeping the politics out of it, sticking with the facts. alex, thanks for that. sam, you know sue gordon, what are your thoughts on this? >> i remember being in situation room meetings with sue gordon. she was always known for doing what experienced intelligence professionals should do, which is not tell the president what he wants to hear but tell the president what he needs to hear. and what we're seeing today is the actual brain drain of intelligence from the u.s. government. sue gordon's departure is going to have a near-term impact. part of the reason why the vacancies reform act is written to have the principal deputy take over is to ensure continuity. as a principal deputy dni, sue gordon was responsible for everything. she saw it all. election security, north korea, which we saw the president talk
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about today. she had a broad mandate across the intelligence community. joseph maguire has a lot of history but his learning curve is going to be so much steeper because he was just the director of the national counterterrorism center. so best case scenario, an intelligence professional is coming in but it is going to take weeks if not months for him to get up to speed on the full range of issues facing our country. >> and that could be dangerous. "the new york times" is reporting that president trump went so far as to refuse to get a briefing from sue gordon recently, wouldn't allow a top national intelligence official, security official, intelligence official to brief him even after she had already arrived at the white house to do so. what does -- that's just striking. what does that tell you? >> well, we know that president trump listens to vladimir putin on things like russian election interference, but we have heard reporting that he doesn't like to hear anything that has to do with russia. what this really is, is a
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censorship of intelligence. part of the dni's job is to present the intelligence with what the intelligence community, the 17 component parts the president needs to know. >> needs to know, not wants to know. >> through the presidential daily briefing. part of their job is to flag things for the president that may not be on his radar. what this president is saying is there are topics that are no-fly zones, they're a no go. if you bring them to my attention, i'm going to pass you over for key jobs or i may fire you. that is going to have a chilling effect on the intelligence community. they're worried about even being investigated if they work on russia. >> on top of that, sam, can i ask you because it's not the only departure in this space that we have seen. there's a foreign service officer who's been working in the state department almost ten years. he resigned his post as well this week. you wrote a blistering opinion piece in "washington post" about why. he said i resigned because the traditional core values of the united states as manifested in
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the president's national security strategy and his foreign policies have been warped and betrayed. he goes on. put all of these departures together, from dan coats on down from the national security realm. what does it mean? when people are saying the country is less safe, is that too far? is that too flip? >> no, the country is less safe as we see these people leave the u.s. government. what really tells us is there are important decisions about complicity at this point. and career professionals like sue gordon, like this foreign service officer, are recognizing that their work may not be used to advance national security, it may be used to advance the president's political agenda through the politicalization of intelligence and serving the president's interests. >> i think it's going to be really important when the president decides on who the permanent replacement will be, that will be a very important moment. i'm really looking forward to getting your take when that happens. thanks, sam. coming up, president trump arriving in the hamptons moments
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welcome back to "inside politics." i'm nia-malika henderson. john king is off. the president today spent 33 minutes talking to reporters this morning. most of that was dedicated to his response to mass shootings in america. he said his influential over gun policy is stronger now than in past years, and he once again blamed mental health, not guns, for the horrific shootings that killed dozens of people just this past


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