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and twitter at jake tapper and tweet the show at the lead. our coverage on cnn continues now. thanks for watching. we'll see you tomorrow. happening now, recession fears. the stock market nosedives after new signs point to a looming recession brought on by president trump's trade war. is the president about to lose his best argument for re-election? blaming his team. as the markets plunge, the president takes to twitter keeping blame on the man he appointed to head the federal reserve jerome powell. is the president undermining confidence in his economic team. lack of action. we're learning about behind the scenes talks among white house and senate staffers about expanding background checks for gun buyers. but after the mass shootings in el paso and dayton, we're also hearing urgent demands for quick reaction. this hour i'll speak with two democratic presidential candidates including one who just put out a detailed gun
plan. and nuclear cover-up. in the aftermath of a deadly explosion and reported radiation leak, experts worry russia may be covering up what could be the worst nuclear accident since chernobyl. is the russian government risking lives of its own people to satisfy vladimir putin's military ambitions? i'm wolf blitzer and you're in "the situation room." >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we're following breaking news as fears of a new recession spark a a selling spree on wall street. the dow closes down 800 points, the s&p 500 and the nasdaq also closed sharply lower. all because of new signs pointing to a looming recession. president trump spent the day blaming everyone but himself singling out his hand picked federal reserve cleave for special criticism and also defending his own tariffs on
imports, especially from china. just a day after seeming to admit that they really are hurting american consumers. that is something the experts have been saying all along. this hour i'll get reaction from two democratic presidential candidates. businessman tom steyer and senator kamala harris and our correspondents will have full coverage of the top stories. let's begin with our chief white house correspondent jim acosta. he's outside of the president's resort in new jersey. jim, the president isn't taking any responsibility for today's huge market selloff. >> reporter: that is right, wolf. with the stock market reeling from fears of a recession, the president was busy trying to shift the blame, the white house blame game was undermined by top advisers who assured americans the president is winning on the economy. while the stock market was tumbling, president trump was tweeting. blaming the federal reserve for new jitters on wall street that a recession could be around the
corner. complaining that the federal reserve acted far too quickly and now is very, very late on lowering interest rates on another attack on jerome powell, his hand-picked chairman for the federal reserve this week. >> this guy made a big mistake. he's made a big mistake. that is another beauty i chose. >> reporter: white house trade adviser peter navarro pointed fingers on the fed on fox. >> the underlying fundaments of the u.s. economy are solid as a rock. all we need to do is get the fed to get the right interest rate. this is the fed slow down. >> reporter: but something called an inverted yield curve which happens when yields on ten-year treasury bonds fall be low two year a warning sign of past recessions caught the eye of the president who called the inverted yield curve crazy, blaming it on the fed. but that didn't stop the dow from plummeting despite months of rosie projections from
econom economic advisers like larry kudlow who could barely contain his enthusiasm. >> high jobs, high -- [ inaudible ] and no inflation. we're killing it on the economy. >> reporter: which may explain where the trump administration is dialing back on its trade war with china. as commerce secretary wilbur ross praised the president's move to spare u.s. consumers during the upcoming holiday shopping season. >> nobody wants to take any chance of disrupting the christmas season. >> reporter: just one day after the president also appeared to acknowledge what critics have said for months. that the trump tariffs are hitting consumers. >> we're doing it for the christmas season, just in case some of the tariffs would have an impact on u.s. consumers but so far they have had virtually none. >> reporter: trump's 2020 rivals
warn that his policies are coming back to hurt consumers. >> the tariff is a tax and if they continue it will continue to come down on the back of american families anz farmers. >> reporter: and potentally future generations as the deficit is skyrocketing. >> you have never seen more fiscal hypocrisy than what the republicans have delivered. >> but what about -- >> the trump/mcconnell era is the most fiscal irresponsible. >> reporter: julian castro bought ad time so the president could catch the ad in his golf club -- >> you stoke the fire of racist and people were shot down because they look different from you. because they look like me. they look like my family. >> reporter: president is also facing stinging criticism for not coming down hard enough on china over the crackdown on hong kong and wilbur ross described
the protests in hong kong as an internal matter but fell -- republicans are arguing the president must do more to stand up for hong kong as predecessors have done in the past. presidents have been doing it for a long time, wolf. >> thank you for that report. tonight discussions are underway among staffers from the white house and some senators about the possibility of expanding background checks for gun purchases. let's go to cnn's phil mattingly here in "the situation room" with us. in addition to being called these informational discussions, we know that the president's senior adviser his daughter ivanka trump has been working the phones as well. what are you hearing? >> there are competing views in the white house according to people involved in the discussions and the discussions that are going on right now are between three of the toews of three senators, one republican, pat toomey and two democrats, joe manchin and chris murphy all involved in gun issues before. toomey and manchin sponsored a background checks bill that failed in the wake of sandy hook shooting trying to figure out if
there was a way to bridge the gap divisive over the last several decades when it comes to gun policy. i'm told there are no significant break through and aides say there is still significant skepticism of what will happen going forward. the big question now is where will president trump end up. for democrats purposes, one democrat told me today time is our enemy and that means they're ramping pressure up and just take a listen to what speaker nancy pelosi had to say today. >> we've sent our legislation to the senate, we sent our legislation to the senate. moscow mitch says that he is the grim reaper. imagine describing yourself as the grim reaper. that he's going to bury all of this legislation. well, we have news for him. all of this legislation is alive and well in the general public. >> wolf, the speaker targeting mitch mcconnell with a moniker and nickname trending on the liberal left side of the twitter
sphere and something he doesn't appreciate took to the senate floor to rebut in terms of his relationship with russia but also underscoring the point, the democrats are frustrated and house democrats who have passed their own background checks legislation want to see action in the united states senate and the reality is this, mitch mcconnell has made clear the senate will not be called back and tasked three committee chairs to work on proposals and made clear he needs to see what the president will say or get behind before anything moves forward. again, at this point in time, a lot of skepticism about significant substantive changes but talks on the staff level are ongoing. >> given the history. that is understandable. all of that skepticism. phil mattingly thank you very much. joining us now candidate tom steyer. mr. stire, thanks so much for joining us. >> wolf, thank you very much for having me. >> let's start with the economy. a subject you know well. you're a business man. we have a warning sign from the bond market today with ten-year bond yields briefly falling below two-year yields. you're a former hedge fund manager, how worried should americans be right now about a
recession? >> well, americans should be worried because our president is a fraud and a failure when it comes to business and when it comes to managing our economy. if you look at the policies that he's enacted so far as president, he's run up a huge deficit and given all of the money to corporations and the richest americans. he's got an economy that way overrewards the highest earners and a tariff policy attacking people, other countries around the world that is ineffective and hurts them and also hurts americans. so americans should be very worried when the president doesn't have a plan or a clue about what he's doing economically. >> but what would you say to those american families who are feeling rather optimistic about this trump economy? >> i would say this. what mr. trump has done is what he did when he was running
atlantic city casinos into the ground. he's over promised and alleged up and borrowed a ton of money. if feels very good in the short run. but long-term he's not doing the things that actually make americans safe, prosperous and well-paid. he's not investing in education, he's continuing to favor only the richest americans. actually more equal societies where the money is spread more evenly throughout our much more stable. and in fact he's leading us in a position when if we get into a recession, we don't have a response because he's already spent the money that you would normally use to boost demand at the bottom of the a recession. >> if the country goes into a recession, why are you the best candidate to handle the economy? >> well, wolf, i started a business from scratch in one room that didn't include a window or anybody else in the
business. and i built a big international business over 27 years. so i've spent literally decades of my life figuring out what makes companies work, what makes industries work and what makes countries work in terms of creating jobs, creating prosperity and sharing that prosperity widely. so there is really -- i don't know if there is anyone else in this race who has anything like my history of not just doing the work, but doing it really successfully and on an international basis. so honestly, this is the meat and potatoes of what i've done for decades. >> do you agree with president trump that the federal reserve is holding the country back. he tweeted today that the federal reserve chairman woman he appointed jerome powell and in his word is clueless. >> well, i think that what mr. trump is doing with regards to the federal reserve is absolutely wrong. the federal reserve is supposed to be independent of politics, wolf.
that is an important part of their charter. because every politician like mr. trump is always going to want the federal reserve to pump out as much money as they possibly can every single day of the year, every year. so what he's doing is in and of itself wrong but the other thing that is true is he's trying once again to get the fed to use all of their bullets right now so that if we go into recession there is nothing they have left to do. that is exactly what he always does. that is how he drove those atlantic city casinos into bankruptcy and he's treating the united states of america like the trump taj mahal. like we're going to borrow and borrow and borrow and then when the bills come due, he disappears and blames somebody else. which is exactly what he did today. >> as you know, the trade war with china is putting an enormous amount of stress on the markets. but yesterday president trump delayed the implementation of more tariffs until at least mid-december. does this make a deal more or
less likely with china? >> look, i think that you can see the cracks in the international economy being caused by mr. trump's tariff wars and trade wars. you can see them when you go to iowa where i was last weekend in farmers who are being -- they're basic market is being attacked by mr. trump knocking out their best customer. so do i think that he has a failed plan? i don't think he has a plan, wolf. i think that he has an attitude which is belligerence and i think he had a hope which is that people around the world will give into his bullying and i don't think he has the comprehension or the attention span to do the kind of work necessary to work with other countries who often don't have our best interests at heart, but who we need to work with in a granular and -- and intense way to get -- to give them an
incentive for them to do the right thing by us but also to give them a chance to do well. his attitude is i will beat you up until you submit. that is not a plan. and it is obviously not working. it is hurting americans. >> you're right now on a political -- one poll away from qualifying for the september democratic presidential debate. you've already met the donor threshold. one of your rivals for the nomination, governor steel bullock said the dnc rules mean in his words billionaires can buy their way on to the debate stage. how do you respond to the governor? >> look, the goal for every person who wants the democratic nomination is to have a vision that connects with democratic voters. that is the only thing that can possibly work. i've been saying to people around the country that we have a broken government, that it has been purchased by corporations, that we need to get back to democracy of, by and for the people and it is an outsider i
spent ten years organizing coalitions of american citizens against unchecked corporate interest and beating them. and that is a message, wolf, that people are responding to and you can look at my record over the last ten years and see i've taken on the oil companies, i've taken on the tobacco companies, on the drug companies and won. so if your worried about the fact that we have a broken government, and the evidence of that is in front of all americans and four out of five of them agree that the corporations have bought our government, that message seems to be resonating. >> tom steyer, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you so much for having me. >> good luck out there on the campaign trail. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we're following some breaking news out of philadelphia. disturbing news. where police are now responding to an apparent shooting. our justice correspondent evan perez is working sources.
what are you hearing? >> wolf, at this point it appears there is a standsoff between police and either a suspect or a number of suspects. here is what we know. the police are telling us that there is multiple officers injured in this shooting situation. we have pictures, we were able to see some of the police activity. there is dozens of police cars responded to the scene. this is an area north of downtown philadelphia near the medical centers, near the hospitals. temple university hospital is in this area. right now police officers wearing tactical gear, s.w.a.t. teams and wearing -- hiding behind shields or anything they could hide behind, including cars. trying to take cover as part of this response to what they say was a shooting ins -- incident. peel we-- people were shooting police officers. not clear what precipitated this but at this point, wolf, the information is there are multiple -- several police officers who have been injured as part of this incident. and now there is of course a
lot -- a big police response and you have a number of nearby hospitals and so on that have been put on lockdown. that includes temple university hospital which has been -- put on lockdown as a result of this incident. right now again we have some shots that we can't show you because they appear to show some of the positions of the police officers and of course we're trying to make sure that we don't put anybody in danger. right now the police -- the philadelphia police is asking the media helicopters to pull back from the scene. partly because they're concerned that the positions of the officers could be shown to some of the suspects who appear to be still trying to shoot at the officers that are responding to the scene, wolf. >> and i just want to read the tweet that we got from temple university. as you point out, it is a very disturbing tweet. lockdown is in effect for health sciences center campus, seek shelter, secure doors, be
silent, be still. police are responding. there is one affiliate report i see here, evan, that at least one police officer has been shot in the standoff? >> reporter: that is right, wolf. we are not showing video of exactly how this is happening. again, to try to protect the safety of the officers. but we're told that there are multiple officers who have been injured in this scene, at least one officer has been shot. right now -- the police are telling us this is still very much an active situation from the video that we're getting from the scene. we're not able to show you some of the video. we could tell the position of the officers, the way they're behaving on the scene tells us there is very much an active situation. they're expecting probably this situation to continue because again the reports were that there was either a shooter or multiple shooters who were shooting at the police officers who were at the scene. again, this is an area north of downtown philadelphia. near some of the hospitals
there, including temple university hospital which as you pointed out has now told the public essentially they are on lockdown to avoid the area because of the police presence, because of the danger from this active -- what the police are now saying is still an active shooter situation. >> evan, i know you're working sources. we have our other reporters and producers. a disturbing development in philadelphia. we'll have much more on the shooting in philadelphia in just a moment. it comes as democratic presidential candidate kamala harris is rolling out her plan to end gun violence. senator harris is standing by live. she'll join us here in "the situation room." i'll ask her about the ongoing situation in philadelphia and a lot more. that is coming up next. in my line of work,
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of downtown philadelphia. it is near the medical centers up there and police were responding or were trying to go to this address because of a narcotics incident and that is when the shooting began. according to the police, they have told us they were under fire. that at this point three officers have been shot, according to a federal law enforcement official who has been talking to cnn. so at least three officers have been shot as part of this police response. now as you can see, wolf, just from the-the wider shot we're showing there is a big police presence in this area. we're not showing you some of the closer shots of this scene in part to protect the lives of the police officers. but you could still see that this is an active situation, police are crouched behind shields and crouched behind cars. pretty much anything they could take cover from and police are still describing this as very much an active incident. so we don't know exactly how many suspects there are, but the
police are saying that at least one and possibly more than one suspects opened fire on police officers and at the latest reporting we have again from kyw tv in philadelphia is this began as a narcotics call that police were responding to in that area, again north of philadelphia downtown. >> evan, i know you're working sources. we'll get back to you. thts a very disturbing development. the situation in philadelphia is hours after democratic candidate kamala harris released a details plan to expand background checks and fight white supremacy and domestic terrorism. kamala harris served on the judiciary and intelligence committees. disturbing. your former attorney general of california, what is your reaction to the initial reports of a -- i stress the words initial reports. >> it is one -- when will it stop, right? part of my focus on what we need
to do around smart gun safety laws is recognize we have to have more enforcement around gun dealers. wolf, 90% of the guns that are associated with crime are sold by just 5% of the gun dealers in the united states. and so among the many plans that have i both in the form of executive action and also in the form of legislation, one of them is to put more resources into the atf to take the licenses of gun dealers who violate the law. and that includes a number of things, including when they are responsible for doing background checks, not doing them. >> so but does your plan go from your perspective far enough? >> well, there are a variety of things. let's be clear, i have -- i have hugged too many mothers of homicide victims over the years. i have looked at more autopsy photographs than i care to tell you. of people whose lives have been ended because of gun violence. we need congress to act. we do not lack for good ideas. we do not lack for tragedies. the failure of congress,
however, the united states congress to act on passing smart gun safety laws is the issue. so when elected, i'll give the united states congress -- 100 days to pull their act together for my signature and then i will put inback and resources to the atf and take away the gun licenses -- >> and just to be precise -- you want to give congress 100 days and then take executive action. some people say congress given the 60 votes needed in the senate will not do it. why not take executive action on day one? >> i believe in giving people a chance. especially when they know what is coming if they don't act. but the other piece of my focus on this is, as you said, it is about dealing with the white supremacist issue that we have and the domestic terrorism resulting from it. >> because people will be killed in those first 100 days. >> well there is to question we need to act immediately. and the failure of congress to
act over these decades is also a point that you should make in terms of what we're seeing now and what we've been seeing from charleston and mother emanuel church to el paso. so part of my focus is not only dealing with gun sales and background check requirements but addressing the issue of domestic terrorism. so i'm going to tell you a couple of things. one, i'm prepared to require online background checks. so there is an organization that sells online arms list.com. and arms list is like the craigslist of gun dealers. they're not required to do background checks so i'm prepared to require they have to do background checks before they could -- >> and this would you do through executive action assuming congress doesn't act. >> correct. >> because joe biden, the former vice president, one of your rivals for the nomination, he responded to your approach and i'll quote him, by saying what happens if the next guy comes along and he wipes it all out. in other words if you take executive action, the next president, assuming it is a republican, he can order or she
can order a totally different executive action wiping out all of -- the beauty of having a law is it stays in effect. >> but as -- as vice president biden well knows, where congress fails to act, then it is incumbent upon the executive branch of government to act. and where congress fails to act, i am prepared when, god willing elected president of the united states, i'm prepared to act through executive action and let us also be clear, doing nothing is not an option. doing nothing is not an option. so i'm prepared to do that. i'm prepared to say that we should include domestic terrorism as part of what is -- what is the focus of our counter-terrori counter-terrorism organization, our federal law enforcement and prepared to say law enforcement should be allowed to seize the guns of those who are suspected to be involved in domestic terrorism, similar to a tro. they'll have to prove and have reason to suspect that somebody might be a terrorist. but giving federal law enforcement the authority to actually seize the guns of those who may be in imminent threat to
their community or family. >> you know the law, you're a former attorney general of california, assume you take this executive action on gun control, there will be attorneys general out there to take legal action to delay it and get into court and this could prolong the situation dramatically. >> wolf, there is no excuse not to act. there will be those who will try and undo it, but if you follow that line of analysis, we would not have gone for things like daca or things like legislation like the affordable care act. there are always going to be people, especially people who use their powers and authority for a political agenda to try and undo progress. that's not an excuse, much less a reason to not act. >> you have a very detailed plan and if you -- if the congress were to act, at least right now you would need 60 votes in the senate and you're a senator. harry reid, the former majority leader wrote this among other things today. if a democratic president wants to tackle the most important
issues facing our country, then he or she must have the ability to do so and that means curtailing republicans' ability to stifle the will of the american people. in the past you said you're conflicted on the issue of the filibuster but do you agree with harry heed, it is time to do away with the filibuster and simply have, as the house of representatives have, a simple majority to pass legislation. >> i agree with harry reid that if congress is going to continue to do what it has been doing, which is to obstruct progress for partisan purposes, we fwheed to get rid of it, i agree with that. >> it is a two-eighthed sword because it helps the democrats if there is a republican -- >> and let's be clear about the benefits. any hesitance that i'm expressed is because i go into it clear-eyed. there are those who wanted to get rid of funding for planned parenthood and other types of organizations and the filibuster
was the only thing that held them at bay. and so the filibuster, you're right, has been a tool that especially when democrats are in the minority has helped to protect the people that need protecting. but harry reid, a great american leader, and a brilliant american leader, he absolutely is right. that it has also been used in a way that has been about blocking progress in our country. and so this may be the time that we remove that tool. >> in your plan today you deal with the issue of white supremacist violence out there, domestic terrorism. you say this -- that while president trump didn't pull a trigger, he's been tweeting out the ammunition. explain what you mean. because that is a very, very strong accusation against the president. >> it means exactly what it says. he doesn't actually pull the trigger on gun in el paso but he's certainly been tweeting out ammunition meaning tweeting out hateful and racist rhetoric, rhetoric that is in citing people to feel division among
us. and clearly with an intention to divide and sow hate in our country. there is no question about it. he uses twitter like a weapon. and a weapon to divide the people of our country. >> so if you were president, how would you deal with this apparently increasing ideology of hate that is out there? >> well let's also be clear about it and i have -- i have prosecuted hate crimes, as attorney general of the state of 40 million people, on an annual basis published hats crime reports. hate crime is not new in the united states. it long preceded this president and it will exist afterward and so let's speak truth about that. hate crime being racism and anti-semitism and homophobia and transphobia and islamic phobia have always existed but they've received new fuel under this president and we'll have to confront it on a number of levels including having a president of the united states who understands that microphone she holds should be always used in a way that is about lifting
people up and not beating them down. that is not what we've seen with the current president of the united states. and we are seeing the consequences of that. >> let me get your thoughts on immigration while i have you. the trump administration now has a new effort to penalize legal immigrants here in the united states. who use services like food stamps or medicaid and you heard the director of immigration services defend all of this by saying give me your tired and your poor and then he added who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge. what -- when you heard that, what did you think? >> i think it is ironic that mr. cuccinelli would take such a position knowing that we admitted immigrants from italy and from ireland and from poland and from germany and many places who were fleeing famine, who were fleeing hardship, who were fleeing harm. and our position was that wherever you come from, give us
your tired, your poor, your sick. and so i find it actually remarkable in a very troubling way that he actually had the gall to speak the words that he spoke. it is clear that is how they feel. but the fact that he actually said it and unapologetically tells us exactly where we are. there is not much speculation that at this point as required to figure out what are the motivations of this administration, and what are their tactics. >> let me get your reaction to what we heard from republican congressman steve king. he was apparently discussing ways that there shouldn't be any exceptions at all for abortion rights for women including in cases of rape an incest. i want you to watch this. >> -- through the family trees and just pulled those people out that were products of rape an incest and would there be any population in the world left if we did that? considering all of the wars an all of the rape -- and has taken place and whatever happened to culture after society.
i can't certify that i'm not a product of that -- >> you're listening to what he had to say. >> they're out of their minds. what -- what is that? you got one saying, yeah, the statue of liberty only applies to people from europe and another one saying rape an incest is okay. what is going on with these people? they do not understand the importance and the responsibility of their jobs. >> you called him a rape apologists. does he need to design? >> which he -- >> steve king. >> i think he should and if not i think he'll get beat in this election. >> you're going to work with -- to try to make sure -- >> well i think that his opponent is remarkably smart and energetic and well positions to win that election. >> we'll see what happens on that front. i know it is a crazy day and breaking news but thanks so much for breaking in. >> you're welcome. take care. >> senator kamala harris.
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monitoring the situation. evan, what are you learning? >> reporter: this is still an active situation and we heard that from police and at the scene reports have heard in the last few minutes, they've heard gunshots ringing out, seven or eight gunshots ringing out from the street and from the area where these -- the shooter or multiple shooters have been firing at police officers. again, we know that at least three police officers have been shot. have been injured. and there is multiple injuries of police officers who were there apparently responding to narcotics activity at this house. again, this is an area that is just north of the philadelphia center city. there is hospitals that are nearby a few blocks away, temple university hospital in particular has done a lockdown essentially telling the public to stay away from the scene. but right now we can see just from again some of the cameras that are there, there is still a massive police response. dozens of police cars and police
officers still hiding behind shields, hiding behind automobiles trying to take cover because, again, just in the matter of the last few minutes, people on the scene heard gunshots ringing out again from apparently from the suspects still standing off with police officers. again, wolf, this is up just north of the philadelphia center city, just near temple university hospital. >> stand by. our crime and justice reporter shimon prokupecz is also working his sources. what are you learning? >> reporter: it is an active situation. and you could see there are dozens of police officers on scene. the philadelphia police department is holding back units. they're actually asking for more s.w.a.t. units to come in and at one point the situation was so dangerous that they were using heavily-armed kind of armored vehicles to push police cars out of the way so they could get in front of the building and have the right amount of cover. officers from our understanding are also inside of the building,
inside of the house where this apparently happened. so some officers may be trapped even inside and at one point the police there thought there could be as many as two shooters. that is not entirely clear. but this does seem to stem some from kind of narcotics and unclear if police are in the building doing a buy and bust type of situation or a search warrant they were executing and then fired upon. but it does appear to be right now that a lot of the officers were ambushed, that this shooter was firing at the officers in front of the building, inside of the building and really you can just see officers all they were trying to do was take cover. it doesn't appear that the scene is under control. we know that several officers have been injured. at least three we have been told have been shot. it is unclear how many were injured. but still very much an active scene there, wolf. >> i just want to remind our viewers, shimon, we're not showing the close-up shots, the
close-up video. we're only showing from above because the fear is some of the suspects may be watching and they would have some advance information which could further endanger the police. they don't want us to show that -- we're seeing it, and it is very disturbing, what we're seeing but we're not broadcasting it. and i just want to point out shimon, why. >> and even the police were asking for the media to come back and the helicopters in particular to -- to push back and not to be so close on top of the scene because they were concerned that it would hurt some of the operations, some of the strategic moves they were making to get inside the building to try and get to the shooter. but it doesn't appear they have been able to do so. at one point there were reports that the shooter was on different floors, could be in the back of the building, front of the building, they weren't even 100% certain where the shooter was. and shots were continuing to be fired. obviously there is dramatic
video of officers being injured and just a lot of really -- really amounts to a crazy scene with all of the officers there and you can hear the officers asking for s.w.a.t. team, for other officers to get to the scene because it was a chaotic scene initially and it still seems to be chaotic as officers are trying to get control of the scene, wolf. >> stand by. evan stand by. you're both working your sources. let's discuss the breaking news with our legal and political experts with us. and dana, it is scary when you see a tweet from temple university right there in philadelphia, lockdown is in effect for health sciences center campus, seek shelter, secure doors, be silent, be still. police are responding. it is frightening. >> it is. and as you said several times and it bears repeating, i think, this is an active situation. we don't know how this is going to end and more importantly we don't know what it is all about. but it is an active situation and unfortunately i don't want
to say it is the new normal, but it is this kind of situation where you have an active shooter is coming across our -- the phones and bullet alerts of people all across the country very, very frequently. which is why here in washington there has been a renewed discussion about whether or not finally the republican and democratic party can come together and figure out ways to stop this. whether it is gun control, any form of gun control or other means. and with -- you and i talked about this earlier in the week, wolf, what tends to happen with these things is that there is a rush to figure it out and then it subsides when the story is -- people move on from the story. unfortunately, these stories are continuing and it is happening -- >> several police officers in philadelphia have been shot. jackie, is there really some significant hope that the house
and the senate democrats and republicans will now work together with the president and come up with some new gun control regulations in. >> obviously you have the senators -- senators toomey and manchin being publicly optimistic but i spent my day calling the aides who have been working through the issues with their bosses and who have previously worked on these issues through all of the other mass shootings and as one of them told me, potentially rather cynically, said that i saw 20 babies murdered, referring to newtown and nothing happened there. it is unclear what changes the president actually wants in the toomey/manchin legislation. a few of the aides questions whether or not the president really understands how much -- how much he understands. he understands exactly what background checks are. we do know there is going to be the white house legislative team that will go to bedminster and brief the president on what they could potentially do here. and we also know that ivanka trump has gotten involved. some of the democratic senate
aides said of course that -- ivanka's involvement can't hurt because she is a liaison and has the president's ear but some speculates this is the typical jared and ivanka move and at the end of the day it will run out and jared and ivanka will go to their trusted reporters and the story will get out there saying jared and ivanka tried but they weren't able to make anything hab. >> one of the i asked him what changed. what could have possibly changed since is legislation failed to pass. what he said was interesting. he said that president trump is in office. some of his colleagues have come up to him during the course of the debate in previous iterations and said, liberty, i have no problems with this bill. the fact that obama is in the white house, i think he's going to take it and do more with it. he explained that they couldn't do that. that wasn't within the powers of the presidency. and yet they didn't trust that
wasn't going to happen. so it really does depend on presidential will in a way. there are senators, republican senators who are bulking up this bill gaen. that will be problematic. it will fall on trump. it really is. >> i completely agree with it. you'll hear different things from different parties. this notion that mcconnell is leading on this and he is not supportive of background checks is maybe a little misplaced at the end of the day. >> we're inside washington. give us your perspective. >> my perspective is that something has to change. yes, there is a bill of rights. yes, i do agree and do believe strongly in the second amendment. we need on protect responsible gun ownership. why is it that only 17 states, we have 50, have red flag laws.
what are they? laws that would allow family members, right? or police to go and petition the court in order to take your gun away. in the event that you're a danger to yourself or others. we need more states. we need the federal government to provide incentives or grant other states to have these laws. these are important in as much as yes, we'll protect your right to bear an arm. if you're not rational and you're not reasonable, we're going to take it away. listen, is this the new normal? or i don't want to call at this time new normal. it appears it is. how often are we talking about the same thing? why can you go to a private gun show and you can get all the guns you want. no background check. with you commercially. background check. does that make sense? democrat, republican, independent, there's too much shooting. it's happening all the time.
could we get something together and do something so people stop dying? >> is try it that the president at least wants background checks to come out. but mitch mcconnell doesn't want that? >> the second part is true. that mitch mcconnell is reluctant to do background checks. the first part, whether the president want to do it, who knows? it is what he says. today. but his white house, he has issued a veto threat for a house bill that does exactly. that maybe he does a little bit more. there has been no action other than proof of the opposite. the fact that he doesn't want to do a background check bill. he's only talked about it and changed his mind. the thing that's different this time with the president versus last time there was discussion
after las vegas, after the massacre there, the last time the nra changed the president's mind, he was in discussions and it almost happened. the nra changed the president's mind. and apparently the president is telling his aides that he doesn't think the nra is as powerful right now because they have a lot of chaos at the top. could that be an important changer for the president? we don't know. what is ivanka trump's role? >> we don't know yet. it seems like she's inserting herself into all this. jackie made that point. the thing is, we don't know what's going on in philadelphia but we know that law enforcement is involved. there are a lot of law enforcement groups for more restrictions with guns. look what happened in dayton. how many people were shot in 32 seconds. i hate to say the. you do hear police speaking out,
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