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of people upset about this. this happened in 2018. we are told these were members of the water polo team and they had been disciplined in some way and their families had been told. the community reeling from seeing this video come out now and just learning about it not from their administrators but from the news stations. >> thank so much. "new day" starts now. they've gone a completely different direction. >> when the attention goes is somewhere else, it's a game this president plays. >> president trump postponing his trip to denmark.
>> any jewish people that vote for a democrat shows a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty. >> a profound anti-semitic statement by the president. >> will it divide them? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." unfathomable, smug, disrespectful. those are just some of the words from danish lawmakers overnight. this move comes after the danish prime minister dismissed the idea of selling greenland to the united states calling it absurd. >> but is that really the reason the president is canceling the trip there? the president himself the other day said that greenland is not a front burner issue. so why?
maybe it's because of the expanded background checks off the table. the about face comes as the president has had a series of conversations with the nra. >> a new cnn poll released this morning shows a majority of americans favor stronger gun laws. as for the economy, solid marks overall but outlook is less rosy than a few months ago. we want to start with the controversy over greenland. anna stewart is live in the danish capital of copenhagen with the response to the president's twitter decision. anna? >> reporter: yeah. and what's extraordinary is i've just spoken to a local here and he says the support is so nighted across denmark people are incredulous by the decision to postpone this trip to abruptly on twit ter. people see this as an offense.
the queen actually invited the president here. and the palace today said they are surprised. this has never happened before and they have nothing else to say. i do want to bring you some reaction from some of the leading politicians who sit in the parliament here behind me. the head of the danish social liberal party, he said, a case of reality surpassing imagination. it is unfathomable. it shows why more than ever we should consider eu countries our closest allies. the man is incalculable. another for the conservative peoples party, for no reason trump assumes that an autonomous part of our country is for sale. then he cancels the visit visit. are parts of the u.s. for sale? alaska? please show more respect. and another saying trump is living on another planet. we are now waiting for a statement from the prime minister. very difficult diplomatic
situation she's in. she has to respond. she has to echo the sentiment and feelings of the danes. but she as also has to make sure she doesn't further the relationship between denmark and the united states. a hugely significant and important relationship for security, for trade. they've had a long, long military alliance. >> yes, this will require some diplomacy. something that is, well, questionable this morning. anna, thank you very much. joining us now is maggie haberman. maggie, there's so much to get through with you. but we do want to get your reporting and your take on these things. the reporting last night from "the new york times," the atlantic, cnn, universal background checks are dead. so how did this happen? >> they've actually been dead for several days. this was a phone conversation yesterday where wayne lapierre from the nra had called the president. the president made very clear that universal background checks which he sounded warm to shortly after these massacres in el paso and ohio which were not very
long ago, which the president sounded very bullish about, were not going to happen. and that he was going to focus on mental health, accessibility to juvenile criminal records. that perspective gun owners might have. and so forth. if you're the nra, that's what you want to hear. and the reality is it wasn't just the nra that was pushing him on this. there were a number of conservative allies who have been talking about this several days saying you will imperil your re-election chances if you do this. it is a now-familiar retreat we've seen him do repeatedly in the face of a mass shooting where he talks about doing something big. as answer is still about doing something big. but it's not realistic. they're going to do a huge gun bill that includes various pieces of pre -- you know, proposed legislation. and that's going to have something almost every senator will find something to object to. >> to get expanded background
checks was going to take a presidential push. it would have required him to take a stand on this. and just like after parkland, he indicated that he was in favor of it. he was crystal clear. meaning ffl background checks, common sense background checks. he said he wanted to talk about that. it's curious the less than two-week evolution to now, completely dead. >> it doesn't take much. this could harm him with his political base. he likes the sound of doing something bipartisan. what they're talking about now is not at all bipartisan even though they're saying it would be. there's no way senate democratic leadership would get behind what they're talking about. it does not take much to get him back to where his supporters are at every opportunity whether it was on guns or charlottesville. the president burros back into his base. and this is not just the nra. i think that's important.
there are gun rights activists in his ear talking about him. >> while he was in bedminster on vacation. >> while he was on vacation for a week and a half. the transformation you saw coming from the rally in new hampshire. he was basically espousing nra talking points including saying that thing about how guns don't kill people. it's the person who pulls the trigger. th that is textbook language the nra refers to. he'll continue saying things that this is what i want to do. >> mass shootings have gotten worse on his watch. does he not think or the white house or his campaign not think that americans will realize that or hold him responsible for that? >> i think americans aren't going to hold him responsible for it or they're going to be able to make enough of a case that it isn't his fault. that it was already beginning several years ago to the point it's accelerated. i covered my first school shooting in 19 e98. there's been no problems. he hasn't fixed the problem. >> totally not.
but i think the number of people who are going to necessarily hold him responsible for that versus him in congress becomes something of a wash i think is debatable. >> maggie, why isn't the president going to denmark? >> so, i don't know the actual reason he's not going. but i'm fairly certain that this controversy in greenland and purchasing it is not it. the president was already getting disinterested in this trip before "the wall street journal" broke that story about him having conversations about purchasing greenland. he has been talking about the idea of seeing if they could acquire greenland for many, many, many months. this is not something that came up recently. and to be fair to him, you know, he got made fun of quite a bit for doing this. the reality is it's not new for the u.s. to look at whether they can make the land acquisition. it's his staff mocking him and that sets the tone. that is what it is. i don't know what the actual reason is he doesn't want to go. but this is a tactic they have
seized on. >> isn't it possible he doesn't want to go? >> yeah, it is. >> he likes to sleep in his own bed. he doesn't love international travel. maybe he just doesn't want to go. >> there's also been a change of leadership in denmark since this was ace announced. regardless of why it is he doesn't want to do it, the way he did this is hugely disrespectful to a nato ally. this is not how you handle diplomatic relations. you don't do it by tweet after there have been weeks of preparations. you don't do it necessarily the same day that you suggested russia should be admitted into the g7. we always talk about what is the thing he's distracted from. i think it's a lot of things. it's what he did during the campaign. he's throwing out so many pieces of chum he hopes nothing in particular sticks. he thought that any jews who favor democrats are disloyal. that's basically the same dual loyalty language he has attacked omar from.
>> so it may be intentional distraction. it may be he just likes the idea of focusing on something he knows is different. >> it may be a combination. it may be this is an easy way of getting out of a trip he didn't want to do. >> you said the same day he suggested russia was in the g7. russia was kicked out after they occupied crimea. they were kicked out. now he says he wants russia back. we're getting a new response from russia this morning. russia says it needs to receive and examine trackable proposals for its return to the g7. but the idea he invites russia back in the same day he basically kicks a nato ally and you say it's not a coincidence? >> i think that that was not a great headline for him. and i think that people were not upset with the idea of talking about denmark and greenland as opposed to talking about that. i don't know that that was the specific thing. again, i don't want to say there's a -- you know, there's
an equal that he does this and distracts from "x." i think there's a whole number of things he's distracting from. but that was a headline many advisers were not happy about. >> but he really does want russia back in? >> i think it's important not to go deep into what he really wants. but he suggested this is something to be considered and even suggesting it is going to create an uproar and did. >> in terms of what he wants, i understand not going into that, but why would he suggest this? >> i'm not going to begin to venture a guess. other than it is in keeping with the number of russia supportive or pro-russia statements he's made in the last three, four years. >> i was going to say yesterday there was a good piece on the economy. the economic consideration facing the white house. and a whole lot of economic data that isn't as good as the trump administration wanted it to be right now or claimed it would be
right now in stuff that's just a head wind. and now they say they have been talking about payroll tax cuts. >> after they denied it. >> right. so they lied about that. >> and it's -- look. what we had heard was this was a great "washington post" scoop. and they got sort of kicked in the knees by the white house immediately. in fact, that story was true. as often happens. the president sends aides out to say something is false then he confirms it later on. it's not surprising that they are looking at what tools there are to try to juice the economy given the warning signs that they are seeing. most people around the president will say, you know, any sense of a panic or a scramble is overstated. but they certainly are looking at what they can do over the next 14 months. he knows and his advisers know just on sort of an elemental level, his re-election depends not entirely but in part on what the feelings are about the economy. >> and do we have any idea of when they got this idea to -- because i asked peter navarro on
thursday or friday, and he wouldn't even sort of dignify the question for if they had a plan because they didn't see signs of a recession. how long have they been baking the payroll cut? >> i don't know about baking, but they were looking at it as an option. there was a white paper drafted. that was one of the options that was discussed. they're looking back at previous recessions like during the h.w. bush years. this is a menu of options we could choose. they so don't want to suggest that anything is not as good as trump says it is. that you're of course seeing his advisers say this is great. and you saw larry kudlow say over the weekend what's wrong with having some optimism? they've gotten used to the president trying to talk his way out of certain things. we'll see if he can do that here. >> we have a new cnn poll out. it shows the president's approval is down to 40% from
43%. other polls showing it dropping as well. on the economy it's interesting. 65% say the current economic conditions are good. 65%. still strong, but slipping. and that's really the issue here. that things seem to be slipping and what does that mean? as you note, it's a conundrum for the white house. they don't want to be accused of not having a plan to face it. but the minute they say they're talking about it, people say a a-ha, there's a problem. >> it could be a self-fulfilly prophecy. not completely but it could point to your concerns that where the economy is there's always been a question about whether the economy is doing well in the minds of voters as the numbers have indicated. and certainly as the white house had talked about. that 40% number i think is of more concern or equal concern to the president's advisers. i think they think there is -- he's hit a pretty hard floor
where he wasn't going to go in terms of approval rating. consistently he had been running in head-to-head matchups below his approval ratings. he was running at 42% against a democrat. the lower that ticks, that is a real problem for him. it depends on how it lasts. it depends how he is in a binary matchup. >> but as pointed out to us yesterday, president trump won last time with a 40% approval rating. >> yes, except hillary clinton's approval rating i think was lower. so he doesn't have to be above 50%. while this was in a "wall street journal" poll the other day, voters basically don't like any politicians anymore. we really started seeing it in 2014. all he has to do in the minds of some advisers is get the other person's approval rating worse than his. that is why you're going to see a race that i think is going to look so negative, it's going to make 2016 look like a refreshing discussion of ideas. >> oh, goody. >> we like you, maggie haberman. >> so you should run for office.
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the trump administration is trying to keep migrant families in detention longer. the new regulation would do away with the flores settlement and allow the federal government to keep families and children in custody for more than 20 days. joing us now is democratic senator jeff merkley. he's the author of the new book "america is better than this: trump's war against migrant families." senator, great to have you here. >> good to be with you. >> so we're expecting this announcement about the flores settlement. that is what this administration has talked so much about because that's why they say -- that's one of the reasons along with deterrents they had to separate families. if you do away with the flores settlement, children can be kept in detention indefinitely. so what will this change at the border? >> that's right. so the goal here is to be able
to establish internment camps. that is lock up children and their parents through the duration of immigration proceedings which could be many years. this has already been known to be deeply traumatic to children and it is a terrible, terrible idea. but that's exactly what this strategy would do. >> didn't congress give the trump administration more money to hire more judges to speed up this process? >> yes, they did. absolutely. but you still have a back lock that is about a five or six-year backlog even then. so more has to be done on that front. but realize this is part of a coordinated strategy. we have an administration that has just recently appealed to a circuit court and lost arguing they didn't need to provide soap and basic nutrition to children. you have an administration that has been using a for-profit, no-compete contract to lock up thousands of kids in homestead,
florida. they have been deliberately sabotaging the placement of children into homes where they belong. and schools and playgrounds and parks. not behind barbed wire. so the strategy, all this flows from a -- if we traumatize children, we will deter immigration. this basic strategy hurt children as a political strategy. it reverberates one moment after another. we see it again here. >> here's the part i don't understand. the detention centers are overrun, overcrowded. the administration has talked about how much of a challenge it is for them. then the detention centers get more crowded. >> they will be establishing large internment camps all over america. >> what are we to make of that? what will that change in terms of what's happening at the border and what that means for the u.s.? >> realize the alternative of
the internment camps is a program. they will be placed under a case management program that will be in close contact with them. they will show up at their hearings. so the inspector general of the trump administration, twice they have reported on this and found that 99% of families show up at their hearings. the administration eliminated this program a year ago june because it was working. and what they want is an excuse to lock children up rather than have them in an appropriate setting as we await asylum hearings. >> you've been sounding this alarm for at least 14 months. that's when you first went to the borders to see what was happening in the detention centers. that's what prompted you to write this new book. i mean, in it your case is that the trump administration is deliberately mistreating migrant children as you just said this morning. what's your evidence that they're deliberately inflicting pain? >> well, it started right in
just 13 days after trump came into power. one of his administration officials laid out the case. this is the strategy if you basically separate children from their parents, inflict this they kept this more or less quiet until jeff sessions proposal. he said we want to ampfully this now. make it sound tough on crime. at every stage, they come back to organizing. treat immigrants like this after dehumanizing them. and use it as a political strategy to deter immigration and also accent wait support on the republican party. >> on the side of the trump
administration, i think what they would say is that they're dealing with an unprecedented crisis. the number of families detained has gone up 290% this fiscal year over the same time frame last year. so what's the solution to keep families from coming here? >> realize the total number of refugees coming to the border is much lower than ago. >> not now. those numbers have dropped off dramatically in the last months. they have thousands of vacancies in small state licensing facilities. there's absolutely no excuse here. and the idea that you're going to solve this by making it hard er and lock people up, this is world war ii japanese-american family detention style camp operation. i have visited these internment camp where now the limit is 20
days. they want to be able to hold people indefinitely, hold children indefinitely. by the way, this shows the vast division that trump has driven between the democrats and republicans. 40 republican senators sponsored a bill to allow definition in internment camps. my bill stop cruel treatment of migrant children act. we would be passing resolutions to tell people to end this. we would be applying sanctions. this is not america to treat children in this fashion. and i wrote this book to try to keep this conversation alive and in the spotlight and have one place people can understand that many dimensions of this challenge and the actions we can take to make sure we treat refugees with respect like we'd want our family members to be treated. >> the book again is america is
better than this. everybody can buy it now. you've been sounding this alarm for a long time. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> so after the new round of mass shootings, the president said people pull the trigger, not guns. but does shifting the blame to mental illness do more harm than good? we're going to ask the head of the american psychological association next. ed. you can adjust your comfort on both sides - your sleep number setting. can it help us fall asleep faster? yes, by gently warming your feet. but can it help keep us asleep? absolutely, it intelligently senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both effortlessly comfortable. so you can really promise better sleep. not promise... prove. and now, all beds are on sale! save 50% on the sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. plus 0% interest for 24 months and free home delivery. ends saturday ♪ boom goes the dynamite, club yoko plays ] ♪ feels like i'm taking flight. ♪ [sfx: poof] [sfx: squeaking eraser sound effect.] ♪ i am who i wanna be
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placing the became once again on mental illness. this is what the president said yesterday. >> it is a mental problem. i've said it a hundred times. it's not the gun that pulls the trigger. it's the person that pulls the trigger. these are sick people and it is also that kind of a problem. we're looking at mental institutions which we used to have. they close up almost all of their mental institutions or many of them. those people just went onto the streets. >> joining me now is dr. rosy davis. doctor, thank you so much for joining us. understanding mental illness is your life's work. so when you hear the president say as he said before directly, mental illness pulls the trigger, what's your assessment of that claim? >> that assessment is just misguided. even though there is mental illness all over the country, mental illness accounts for so
little of violence. and people who have mental illness are more likely to hurt themselves than anyone else. it's a simplistic argument and it's inaccurate. >> we have statistics here on the screen. 25% are diagnosed with mental illness of shooters. but 23 times more likely to be the victims of violence. but if it is 25% of active shooting victims, look. gun control advocates point to a lot of measures that wouldn't stop all mass shootings but might stop some. so what role do you see mental illness playing or understanding mental illness in the future? >> i think what we must focus on if we want to stop mass shootings in the future are things that actually contribute to mass shootings. we've got to begin to look at
bigotry and hatred. we've got to look at what drives an individual to commit a mass shooting. when we begin to look at those individuals, we begin to see that there's a need that they have. that they're responding to some kind of narrative they've heard that tells them that this is a good thing to do to save their people or to say something they believe in. people need to belong. there is a lot of fear fear driven by division in this country that speaks to those things that helps individuals believe that in order to be who i am, in order to save my race, in order to save my religion, i have to do some of these kind of things. so it's not mental illness. but we need to begin to do some research about all of that whether it is mental illness to do the research on, whether it
is bigotry and hatred, whether it is the fears. we need to begin. it's a complex issue. it's not simple. i want to note as you have noted mental illness rates aren't different than those around the world. the mass shootings are wildly different in the yiet. but you hear lay people, doctor. they'll say if you're going to commit a mass shooting with, you have to by definition be mentally ill. how could you be mentally sound and commit a mass shooting? what do you say to that? >> that's not correct. just because they do bad things does not mean they're mentally ill. it means someone has made a decision. someone responded to a group. when we look at people who are radicalized, i'm dplad we're beginning to call it terror. we look and wonder how did these young people become radicalized? we need to explore that. they have so much access to things that could help to radicalize.
we need to begin to explore that. that's part of the reason why i call on us to fund research, to get to what are the real issues so that we can begin to respond to what's going on in this country. it's outrageous the shootings that we have. and we have guns in the hands of so many people and they're even turning those guns on the police. we must change what's happening in the society. >> one specific thing brought up, what do you see the role of what he calls mental institutions and would more help stop gun violence? >> absolutely not. those people in those mental institutions, not people committing mass shootings. and the thing of it is that we have got to increase access to mental health.
we must do that. because we did close those asylums and mental institutions because they were not doing the job. but then we didn't solve the problem. we didn't take care of those individuals. so too many end up in prisons. and so we do have to increase access. and we must begin to say we've got to do everything we can to take care of those individuals. >> i certainly hope you're part of this going forward. i appreciate your input this morning. >> thank you. i'll be glad to be part of it. all right. john, the crisis at venezuela is entering a new and dangerous front. up next, an exclusive look at the human cost of that country's gold industry.
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stands at a political cross roads with nicola maduro still in power. part of the key to his power has been exploring the country's abundant natural resource. not only the oil reserves but also a wealth of gold. >> but of course there is a dark and bloody side to the venezuelan gold trade. and isa soares got a look at the minds that are deep in the jungle and the crooked gold route keeping maduro in power. a warning to all of you, some of the pictures in this story are graphic. zp >> reporter: on the fringes of the forest, corrupt military hide among the land, rich minerals, and gold. all this has made this area maduro's el dorado. and it's this that's giving him the financial lifeline. we've come deep into venezuela to find out how nicolas maduro
is holding onto power, and abl to resist american power. he's given himself direct control over this land and he's bleeding it dry. enriching himself and buying the allegiance of the military. and it all starts with the local minors. with mouths to feed at home risk t it all operating this region. we venture in 50 meters deep. it is a precarious operation. inside the mine, they guide us through the various levels and of a colonial thirst for gold. along the way, i meet rojas who has been mining here for three years now. back breaking work and intense
humidity. everywhere you look, speckles shimmer from above. this mine has been so productive for them because they have got 250 kilos of gold out of this mine just to give you a sense, really, on why it's called the millionaire mine. if 250 kilos or just over 550 pounds is accurate, that's $10 million at global market. prices all from one hole. there are thousands within venezue venezuela's mining arc. but not all that shimmers is gold and these miners know it. these rocks need to be crushed, processed, scraped, and melted. before you actually see the gold.
this nugget here, $315. but it comes at a cost to the health of the miners as well as the environment with mercury and other chemicals used to separate gold from grit. poisoning everything you see around us. but this is business and these mills don't do it for free. and then there's an additional cost. >> reporter: he's saying there are other forces involved. there are people they have to pay in order to be continuing to work in these mines but clearly they're not prepared to tell us who they are. they have every reason to be afraid. these mines are run by a network of hooded militias who according
to a senior military source enter mines to extort, steal, and silence. they do so together with complicit members of the military who they bribe to operate freely. a local miner too scared to speak out about the gangs close to the mines opens up once his identity is hidden. >> translator: they mutilate people. they cut them, torture them. and the ones that speak are also tortured and mutilated. they kill them and throw them down those holes. >> reporter: one active senior military source confirms what we've heard here. telling me these same groups use death squads to command o bead yans. battling each other for control over the area. it's a tactic of blood and bullets. i ask the miner if he blames maduro. >> translator: i think the government has the capacity to put an end if it wants to do it
but they are not going to do it because they benefit from it. >> reporter: this is echoed from the top. general manuel was the former spy chief for the venezuelan president until april the 30th when he defected. >> translator: maduro has knowledge of all of this, has done very little. if anything. >> reporter: for years he was part of maduro's inner circle. with the u.s. treasury sanctioning him on mass human rights violations and mass persecution. now with sanctions dropped, he's speaking out about corruption at the very top. backing the u.s. assessment that maduro's family also profits. >> translator: there are companies linked to maduro's family circle that buy the gold and negotiate the extraction of the gold. they sell one part of it to the central bank and the other part they take out of the country without any kind of control. >> reporter: in caracas, we find
the network expands beyond venezuela. in 2018, maduro twraded venezuelan gold to turkey. some for exchange to food that the government used in subsidized food boxes. but it didn't stop there. according to a source at the venezuelan central bank, 26 tons of gold were taken out of the bank to the end of april. they were put into private airplanes and a destination, middle east and africa. that's $1.6 billion. much of it securitying u. in-- u.s. sanctions. directly and also via uganda on a russian plane in exchange for euros. >> translator: maduro is at the helm of a criminal enterprise. he has hijacked all the state institutions to work in his service. this has allowed him to corrupt
public servants and military officials and all the power structures in order to perpetuate his rule. >> reporter: this matches what we hear on the streets. here where gold is a standard currency. many like this gold seller are just a cog in the system which is controlled all the way from the top. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: but with a river of gold running deep and the economy shrinking by half in yea years, there's little sign maduro and his men will turn their back on this. hear misery go hand in hand with environmental devastation. it's a free for all. a gold rush where the main winner is maduro. alisyn and john, cnn contacted
the central bank and government but obtained no response. basically saying the sanctions are an unjustified attack on the country as well as an attempt to get hold of its resource. we also reached out to the turkish government but received no they take these matters seriously and that the uae government is in compliance with international law, but they wouldn't comment on legal proceedings in another country. >> i have to say what a remarkable report and journey you took to bring this all to light. thank you so much. >> we would not know this but for your intrepid reporting of going down into those mines and talking to everyone and showing us the aftermath. thank you very much, isa, for that reporting. we have breaking news. we are just learning a u.s. drone has been shot down over yemen. it was not clear if the drone
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in the perception among voters as to how well they perceive this trump economy is doing. scranton, pennsylvania, home to the sitcom "the office," the birthplace of joe biden, in a state where white working class voters helped propel donald trump to victory. and if he hopes to win again, trump's chances may hinge on those same voters and the economy. so i'm here asking people how is the economy, and i'm getting two very different answers. >> yeah, i think things are definitely good. there's more jobs in the area, the stock market is really high. >> i think we're on the verge of a recession. >> reporter: i quickly pick up on a theme. how are you feeling about the economy in. >> i'm feeling optimistic.
>> reporter: so if i ask you about the economy, you say? >> i have some concerns. >> reporter: it's directly related to how they see the president. jessica owns diskin's saloon and she's a huge trump fan. >> i feel the country has become like a business. >> reporter: criminal defense attorney paul walker is definitely not for trump and he sees troublenk it's going to, tn it's going to turn on him. >> reporter: scranton is a factory town. jobs numbers are the highest they've been in a decade, but there are signs hiring and production are slowing, bad news for manufacturing workers, a key part of the president's base. people like trump voter douglas, an electrician, economic forecast suggests dark clouds, but he sees only sunshine where he works. >> we've got more work than we know what to do with right now. >> reporter: really? >> yes. >> reporter: and asked another question, would voters stick
with the president if the economy turns negative? he doesn't think so. >> we go belly-up i think it's going to be a big difference. >> reporter: and trump voters say even if the economy turns bad they would still vote for the president. would you vote differently? >> not necessarily because i think the economy is always up and down. >> reporter: another question i asked the trump voters was there any democrats they might consider. i was actually giving a nod i thought to joe biden because after all he is from this area. no, not even joe biden because some say he's become too progressive, gone too far to the left, which says a lot about democrats many people consider as walking right down the middle. >> martin, it is so valuable to hear from those voters. thank you very much for bringing us the feeling from scranton.
and thanks to our international viewers for watching. for you "cnn newsroom" is next. for our u.s. viewers, the president basically abandoning his own calls for universal background checks. why? "new day" continues right now. we have very strong background checks right now. >> trump assuring wayne lepierre this is not something we need to worry about. >> president trump postponing his trip to denmark after the prime minister refused to discuss the sale of greenland. >> he called this a -- government. >> it's going to materially impact our security going forward. >> eight years of donald trump will never and fundamentally change the nature of who this is country is. we must beat donald trump, period. >> this is new day with alabama is an comrato and john berman. >> good morning and welcome to
your new day. it's august 21st. >> it demands more than one date. >> it is 8:00 in the east, and the big question thrj, why is the president saying, denmark, you're canceled? why really has the president cancelled his trip there? he claims it's because the danish prime minister dismissed the idea of selling greenland to the united states. but according to the president just days ago that deal was, well, no big deal at all. >> it's not number one on the burner, i can tell you that. >> so could this all be about something else? fre for instance, could it be about the suspend effort to buy back guns? now after a series of calls between the president and the head of the nra, a capitol hill source tells me the effort is, quote, dead, not going to