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a serious storm is moving right in american soil while the president is heading for old familiar territory. good evening. john berman here in for anderson. the location is puerto rico, the storm is called dorian and we'll talk more in a moment about what president trump said about it today, the message he appeared to send and the lie he continues to tell. we begin with breaking news on the storm itself. the national hurricane center just came out with some new data on it so let's go to cnn meteorologist jennifer gray. jennifer, what's the latest? >> reporter: john, the latest, this storm has winds of 50 miles an hour. gusts of 65 miles per hour and moving to the west northwest at 14 miles per hour. still 300 miles to go before it reaches the coast of puerto rico
but that track does take it really directly to puerto rico. it looks like it will have a direct path to the island. dry air is all around this storm now. that's why it had trouble intensifying but this could be close to a hurricane by the time it reaches puerto rico, which what we're watching throughout the day today as well as tomorrow. that's why we have hurricane watches in place for puerto rico, as well as the dominican republic or the eastern shore of that so as this continues to march on ward, john, we'll continue to watch it because there is room for strengthening before it reaches puerto rico. >> what about that? if it is a direct hit, what kind of winds and water can they expect? >> we're going to have near hurricane force winds and those will extend several miles from the center. the tropical storm force winds extend 40 to 50 miles from the center and this is the probability of tropical form force winds and this area shaded in red will be much over the i land and that's a 70 to 80% probability we'll see the winds.
it will be a guarantee if this storm basically goes right over the center of puerto rico and as far as rain is concerned, that's really ramped up in the last day or so as well as far as the forecast goes. we were looking at two to four inches of rain, we're talking six to ten. some areas more and that will produce quite a bit of flooding as well as mudslides as we go through the next 24 to 48 hours. >> what about the rest of the u.s. coastline? we can see the cone headed toward florida. >> that's right. towards puerto rico and on the north side all eyes on the storm. especially folks in the u.s. it will be interesting because puerto rico will shred the storm a little but once it enters warm waters, it will have less wind sheer which means the storm will survive a little better. it could intensify before reaching the southeast united states and so that's where we really need to watch it. we're going into a holiday weekend where a lot of people head to the coast. this could strengthen to near
hurricane, could be hurricane strength just to early to tell. we have to see what happens once it gets on the north side of puerto rico. >> the warm water off of florida could lead to the intensity? >> right, you have warm water which is basically in the mid 80s around that area that's very, very warm that fuels these storms. you also have a lack of wind sheer, which will also help the storm survive. so several factors in place that are steering this thing and helping it breathe new life. we'll see what happens once we get on the north side. if it shreds enough, it may not be able to make it or intensify much. it determines when it makes the interaction with puerto rico. >> the storm arrives alongside news the trump administration plans to shift $155 million from the federal emergency management agencies' disaster relief fund to spending on boarder enhancement efforts. as we said at the top, the president also tweeted, i'm
quoting now, wow, yet another big storm heading to puerto rico, will it ever end? congress approved $92 billion for puerto rico last year, an all-time record for anywhere. keeping them honest, it's not a record and it's not true. 92 billion has neither been appropriated nor spent. congress appropriated 42 billion and federal agencies spent 12.6. but beyond the lies in that tweet, there is also the question of just what was the president saying to the people of puerto rico? because it's simply not how presidents talk to people facing potential danger. this isn't a partisan thing. all modern presidents, obama, the bushes, regan, ford, at moments like these have all said something like this. >> our thoughts and prayers go out to all the people who are potentially affected. we are extraordinary grateful for the first responders working
24/7. around the clock non-stop. this will be a big storm, a difficult storm. the great thing about america is when we go through tough times like this, we all pull together. >> joining us now by phone is the mayor of san juan puerto rico. mayor cruz, thank you very much for being with us. i know you're busy. i want to get your reaction what president trump said in a moment but first off, is your island ready for a hurricane by the time it hits? >> it appears that it will be a hurricane category one, and that it is moving further and further inward towards puerto rico. so couple of days ago, it was expected to dissolve. now it appears that won't be so. let me first tell you yes, in san juan we're much better prepared than two years ago for example all of our municipal hospital and nine clinics, which provide of course a health services for all of our people
from san juan and outside of san juan, all of them now have generators. our hospital, as far as we know, is the only hospital in puerto rico has not one but two sets of generators that will make it run flawlessly even if the power fails. that is something very, very good. our areas we have right now four shelters that we are opening for the people of san juan. those shelters are better equipped. we have one month of supplies of what is known as surgical equipment and a prescription drug and anything that needs to be used in the hospital and one month of food for the municipality and people of san juan. last time we had to take care of 61 elderly. we're much better prepared for
that however inward that's not the case. there is 30,000 people with blue tarps or blue roofs on their home. 11 out of 16 generators are off the grid. they are not providing so they are not producing any power whatsoever. blackouts in puerto rico have been common since hurricane maria. and many bridges are not working appropriate and to the president of the united states will his lie will that ever end. will his racism and people of puerto and you have said this is not how a president behaves. this is not how a human behaves in the face of adversity.
the american people, once again they have stepped up to the plate. >> let me ask you because you brought up the president and people should know, you have a past with him. you've been critical. you called him vindictive before and now and you referred to hurricane maria as trump's katrina. reaction to the death toll, you said his administration quote killed the puerto ricans with neglect so what is your exact reaction to his latest tweet where he keeps on saying $92 million -- $92 billion has been appropriated. >> the president continues to express lies because the truth really does not suit him. as you said, it's close to 42 billion. it's close between 12.6 and $14 billion that's come to puerto rico and still, things have not worked appropriately. things continue to change.
different attitudes and different laws and restrictions are brought upon puerto rico that are different from any other jurisdiction however i have to say it appears, it appears that fema has learned some of the lessons from the past from irma and maria and i got off the phone and it appears they have, you know, 3.2 million liters of water. they have five warehouses there in puerto rico. he told me they have around 200,000 blue roofs, blue tarps, sorry. so, you know, it seems like some people have learned the lessons of the past or are willing to say that they didn't do right by us the first time and they are trying to do their best. that is not the case with the president of the united states. we are not going to be concerned
by frankly his behavior, his lack of understanding and it is ludicrous. 3,000 puerto ricans did not open their eyes this morning because this racist man did not have it within him to do his job. so get out of the way president trump and let the people that can do the job get the job done. >> major cruz, we know you're busy. thanks for taking the time to talk to us. stay in touch over the next several days and let us know what you need. appreciate it. >> thank you very much to everyone that has been calling today, showing their appreciation for life and letting us know that we matter. >> mayor cruz, thank you very much. next, having seen the public version, you're about to hear new details on the arm twisting that president trump did on vladimir putin's behalf but hind the scenes at the g 7 summit and later, new reporting on how attorney general william barr,
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of course, they were expelled because they illegally annexed crimea because but said russia was so big they should be here and made the argument if world leaders want to confront vladimir putin they should do it in person because they spend so much time talking about russia anyway. the world leaders did not agree with the president. several pushing back with what we're told was fierce resistance. telling the president that unless they change the ways in a very obvious pattern they cannot invite back and they argued since russia was expressed from the group since then have grown more anti democratic. they disagreed with the president even though we're told one person did agree with the president, the italian prime minister we should note resigned in recent days but other people including germany angela merkel and boris johnson pushed back against president trump hard during this dinner and we're told at one point the french
president had to intervene to essentially keep this from becoming too heated. >> so caitlyn, publicly the president talks about this summit being a wild success. what are your white house sources saying behind the scenes? did they consider it successful. >> the president is maintaining that saying he got along great with the world leaders but disagreed with a lot of the things that the president said. they drew clear distinctions not only russia but iran and climate change and several aspects and while there are treasury officials who say they do not think it went well from the stance of trade where the president continued to flip-flop, contradict himself several times on whether or not he spoke to the chinese, whether he thought things were moving forward at a good pace or slow pace, they don't think it went great but there are people close to the president saying john, it could have been much worse than it went. >> interesting standard there. kaitlan collins at the white house. thank you very much for your reporting on this. joining us now, california democratic congressman who serves on the house oversight committee and we should also
note is co-chair of sanders bernie sanders 2020 presidential campaign. congressman, thank you for being with us right now. it seems like the only thing the president was clear and consistent about in the g 7 was his public and as we learned, his private push to bring russia back into the fold. your reaction? >> well, the standards for this president are so low that if he just manages to finish a dinner without insulting a foreign leader, we breathe a sigh of relief but the reality is that it's very concerning when he was advocating for russia. everyone believes in the civilized world of democracies we should not allow russia back into the g 7 unless two conditions are met. first, they need to get out of ukraine and the annexation of crimea and stop interfering in our election and elections across the world and this president didn't even mention either of those two issues. >> i will note not everyone, apparently the prime minister of italy agreed with president
trump and one of his arguments was it's better to have russia back in the fold so you can bring up your problems with them to their face and directly. is there any validity to that argument? >> i don't think anyone believes that russia isn't aware of their problems. we have been bringing this up for the past six, seven years. they need to get out of crimea, they need to make a commitment not to interfere in our elections. if they do that, then they will be brought in the table. you know, one of the things that the president said that was so offensive is this claim that putin out smarted president obama. the reality is. president obama negotiated one of the most successful arms control agreements with russia, the new start agreement and president trump hasn't gotten anywhere withdrawing from the inf and actually made the relationship much worse. >> he kept on bringing up president obama i think it was 15 or 16 times by name.
do you think the desire to bring russia back into the g 7, making it the g 8 is to reverse something that president obama did? >> you know, i have not been able to make sense of president trump's foreign policy doctrine and then someone explained it to me. it's just reverse obama. there is no co-her rans to it. that's really what is motivating his policy. there is no other explanation for why you would want russia into the g 7 when they have continued to violate ukraine sovereignty, when they are by their own admission interfering in liberal democracies elections. >> president trump said a number of things on this trip that weren't true. some of them seemed to be small lies or lies about small things like suggesting the first lady got to know kim jong-un even though they never met. why do you think he does this and what impact do you think it
has? >> i think it's the consequence of someone who never held elective office. when you're in private business and if you're a billionaire and a real estate developer, you can probably get away with shaving the truth here and there and you have lawyers there so serve your ends. when you're president of the united states leader of free world, every word you say matters and i don't think the president has grasped that. i mean, he made a causal statement about the situation with india and pakistan that led to india taking action. he's not grown into the role. >> lastly, we should net that congress comes back from its august recess next week and talk of impeachment i think back on the table more house members have come forward saying they support an impeachment inquiry. you support an impeachment inquiry on the president. do you think the prospect of it actually happening, though, is
growing or does it dwindle as we get deeper into the 2020 election? >> well, john, i think we need to have very aggressive inquiry in the fall and i'm confident that chairman nadler will do that and then he's going to present the evidence to the house. i think ultimately it's going to be speaker pelosi's call about whether to bring it for a vote in the house but the way i see it is there is growing sentiment in the house that something needs to be done to hold this president accountable and there needs to be an aggressive investigation before the end of the year. >> you want to play on whether speaker pelosi allows a vote on impeachment? >> i've never been one to bet on the speaker. you got to have her on and it wouldn't be wise for me to be trying to guess what she's going to do. >> congressman, appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. the bank that loaned donald trump millions of dollars today opened the door just a tiny bit to the mystery of the president's tax returns. what we're learning just ahead. l'oréal paris introduces
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deutsche bank indicated it has records to compile with the subpoena from the house of representatives seeking to obtain the president's tax returns but in the bank's very carefully worded letter to a federal appeals court, it did not mention president trump by name or members of his family. the house is seeking financial records from deutsche bank from the president and his children, donald trump junior, eric trump and ivanka trump. here to discuss, sue craig, one of the report es on the investigation published into donald trump's tax schemes in the 1990s. just to be clear about something, which isn't it all clear, deutsche bank confirmed they have the president and his family's tax returns without directly confirming they have
the president or his family's tax returns. >> the names were redacted today but the case is about donald trump and it was pretty clear. i mean, you're not making a big leap. >> they have them. there is every reason -- >> we've reported that previously that they have them but today in a court filing they confirmed that they have -- we don't know what years. we don't know what entities or personal or business or a combination of both. they have tax returns in house. >> why when we're talking about deutsche bank does it matter that they have the president's tax returns? is it about their relationship that's potentially of interest? >> well, they have been the main banker for the president in recent years. so they have been lending him a lot of money and we're going to -- it could provide, the fact they have them is just -- i mean, a lot of the modern tax returns haven't come out so they have gone into them and finally at least now in court confirmed that they have them. i think what is shocking about this case is it's incredible we got to the fact we had to have deutsche bank under court order
say simply that they had the returns, not actually oh, what's in the return, simply they required a court order simply to answer the simple question of they have the returns. like that to me was the headline. >> weeks and weeks. >> we've reported that they have the returns. they went through weeks and weeks of legal wran gling to say they are in position. -- possession. >> this is the biggest take away today, which is every inch on the battle of tax returns is going to be litigated and going to take time. >> yeah, and time is exactly the thing that they are waiting for. they just will keep going and this is going to be a death by thousand cuts to take us long as possible to litigate, not just this case but all of the cases will be just, you know, minute by minute doing these things and litigating like the silliest points in a way. i think this is why this came to ahead today was one of the judges on friday when this all came to a head in a courtroom
was asking a simple question, do you even have the tax returns? they wouldn't answer it. simple question and took a broad approach to the law about their climate agreement with donald trump that not only can they not talk about it, they can't even say what they have. >> you've done more work than just about anybody on the president's financials over the decades. if congress ever does get them, what are the types of things they might learn? >> we're going to learn a lot. if we got the modern tax returns, you'll see not only is he, has he been profitedble in recent years in the last ten years we've done a lot of work that shows he's lost a lot of money. we've gotten tax returns from previous years from 1995 and so on and decades following that but haven't seen from 2005 on. that's a base level. that's how are his businesses doing depends if you get both his personal tax returns and his business tax returns but we'll be able to drill into that. you're going to be able to see interesting sources of income who he's in business with and who is paying him.
when we step back and say why do you want to see donald trump's tax returns? he is an elected official. he is in the white house. we don't know his sources of income. we don't know the pressure that is coming to bear on him as president, and then the decision that he is making because we don't know who is paying him. i mean, it's really these are the sort of things that we're going to be enlightened by if we see his tax returns. >> we don't know if that's why he's so reluctant to release them or could be that they show what he's actually worth, which may or may not be what he is claiming. >> i don't think we'll see what he's worth. tax returns are simply going to show if he's telling the irs if he has a loss or not and why he's declaring a loss. we're going to see who is paying him. that's hugely important. we'll see potentially who his business partners are and the other thing that's important, we'll see what he has said to the irs and what he has said in federal filings as president in terms of his holdings and we'll
be able to compare them and there is penalties if he has lied on public forms and they don't match. there is going to be a lot of questions and jeopardy there for him. there is a lot to be seen. >> you've done a lot of work of the history of him playing games. sue craig, thanks for coming in and helping us understand this. appreciate it. a new campaign ad from joe biden and what it means as a democratic presidential campaign seems to tighten. at t-mobile, what can you get when you a buy a samsung galaxy note 10? you get unlimited data while on a network that goes further than ever before. use as much as you want. when you want. a netflix subscription on us. stream all your favorite movies and shows. and for a limited time. buy any samsung galaxy note 10 and get one samsung galaxy note 10 for free. that's right. get one samsung galaxy note 10 for free.
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joe biden released a new television commercial in iowa this emphasizes his support for the affordable care act and person experience over the death of his wife and children in a car accident back in 1972, and his son beau's battle with brain cancer. here is an excerpt. >> my son beau was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given only months to live. i can't fathom what would have happened if the insurance company said for the last six months of his life, you're on your own. the fact of the matter is health care is personally made. obamacare is personal to me. >> many of his opponents for the democratic presidential nomination favor medicare for all approach that would do away with obamacare and private insurance and one of those
supporters is atlanta mayor keasha lance and i spoke with her shortly before air time. mayor bottoms, this new ad from the biden campaign is very personal obviously for the vice president. why do you think he decided to release it? >> i think it's important to know joe biden is. we know joe. his policies. it's important that people is why he cares and really explains how much it talks about obviously and his children and the tragedy and he's faced and just any small comfort he was able to ascertain by having health insurance. it's something people across in nation can connect with in so many ways so i'm glad he released it and i'm glad it took an enormous amount of courage to tell his story in that way. >> two things you brought up, the personal story in health
care, the personal story he's been in public office since 1972. you don't think that most people are aware of the compelling story of joe biden? >> i was born in 1907 -- 1970. there is a lot about joe biden many of us know better than others. it's always a good time to remind people of who you are and my best memories of joe biden are his eight years working alongside president obama to pass the affordable care act and i think that's important for a segment of the population for some others it may be his time as a senator but i think the most important part is that he has an expansive history of working towards public service and the affordable care act and health insurance for all
something he talked about for decades. very specific and the ad says when he sees the president try to tear down obamacare or sees others propose to start over, and replace it, that it's personal to him. so he's got the president but he's comparing the president with obviously his primary opponents like bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and want to introduce medicare for all. why is he making that comparison? >> well, i think it's important that he explains to voters where he stands and how he compares not only with those who are also vying to become president of the united states but also with the president of the united states. obamacare has been life changing for millions of americans, and i think that people somehow have forgotten how difficult it was for us to achieve all that we did with obamacare. >> do you think that senator warren and senator sanders forget how difficult it was as you're saying?
>> i can't speak for them. what i do know there are millions of americans who don't want to give up their private health insurance. someone on my team has a father who is retired from gm 30 years and he said that he doesn't want anybody touching his health insurance. he said that he gave up so many things in terms of salary and negotiations so that he could have his health -- his private health insurance for the remainder of his life. that's the sentiment of so many people in this rough belt states that we need to win o win the presidency in 2020. >> do you think that distinction you just brought up there will be central to joe biden going forward as he tries to differentiate himself from his primary? >> it's an important distinction for those who care about health care, for those who want to maintain their private health insurance and for those who want to expand on the affordable care act. the notion that where we are right now in this country and
with all of the issues that we are facing to think that we have to start over on health care and add that to the many challenges that we have, i think really is unsettling to a lot of people. we have the affordable care act and what better person to repair the damage that's been done than the person who helped create it. >> there are those who look at the timing of the release of the ad and says it has to do with the polls getting tighter. do you see this race closing? >> no. i don't. what i see is an out lieer with a poll. there will be hundreds of polls done between now and election day. you have to look at them as a totality. this is one poll out of many that will be done that shows him a little down. i don't think that it's an accurate poll but what i do believe is that there are many americans across this country that continue to stand with joe biden and won't be swayed by one
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new tonight "the washington post" is reporting that attorney general william barr booked a december family holiday party for about 200 people at president trump's washington hotel and it will deliver a whole lot of money for the trump business and yes, it does raise ethical questions. cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider joins us with more. what are you learning?
>> the attorney general is planning to hold the private party in downtown washington notably that's a property where the president's sons run the day to day but the president still benefits financially and according to that contract for the party that was obtained by "the washington post", it could cost more than $30,000. that's the contract minimum for about 200 guests. the justice department of course is responding to all of this stressing that this is not an official justice department event and that it will be paid exclusively out of william barr's pocket. still, the optics are raising serious questions especially since the justice department with bill barr at the helm defended the president after he was sued by the attorneys general in maryland and d.c. on the basis of the clause, the questioning trumps about to receive payments from foreign guests who stay at the hotel.
justice department defended in that lawsuit and in addition, john, ethics experts are raising eyebrows saying it looks like the attorney general is trying to curry favor with the president to have his private holiday party at the hotel. the justice department says this is not so. the attorney general tried the willard and may flower but those were booked so they say william barr had no choice but to go with the trump international in downtown washington. >> has william barr himself responded? to the criticism. >> we have not heard from the attorney general directly tonight but the justice department official we spoke with earlier say the attorney general has in fact consulted with career ethics officials at the doj and a determination there is ethics rules do not prohibit him from hosting the event at the trump hotel but again, john, really, the optics here aren't looking so good and really being called into question but a lot of ethics experts tonight. >> jessica schneider. thank you very much.
time to check in with chris at the top of the hour. fb for cuomo "prime time". first, $30,000 that's a lot of pigs in a blanket. second of all, what's going on on your show tonight? >> you would get an f in any class. if you provided the analysis this administration is providing about the a.g. this is disgraceful and they know it. there is no other hotel the ethical standard is impropriety which means if someone asks whether or not this made sense, you shouldn't do it. this administration plays by a different rule or no rules at all. tonight we'll look at that a few different ways. one, we're going to be taking on an emotional thing, though, as well. sean duffy is leaving the congress and i hate what it's about. i love he respects his family. he's making the right move. i hate they have to deal with this. they have eight beautiful kids
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the united states postal service makes more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. two republicans joe walsh and bill weld have already entered the republican primary race and former south carolina governor mark sanford could make it three. tonight president trump took notice when, mind you, a lot of his advise hoped he would resist saying anything about any of them, but he couldn't resist. he writes, can you believe it? i'm 94% approval in the republican party and have three stooges running against me. one is appalachian trail from argentina. one fell in a land slide. one couldn't stand up straight receiving an award. i should be able to take them. perspective now from 2016 republican presidential candidate john kasich, senior political analyst, also america
united pro weld super pac. governor kasich, simple questions. do you think more republicans should enter the race at this point and challenge president trump even if it could potentially be career suicide? >> well, i don't know what career suicide means, john. i mean, if people want to get in and they want to express themselves, good for them. i mean, people -- this is america. you want to run for public office, you can do it. and, you know, what i would say as an incumbent who at this point is commanding a very high republican support, you know, they don't want to see these folks in the race. they become pesky and you have to pay attention a little bit to them. but if other people want to get in, you know, that's america. they can go ahead and get in. >> stewart, some of the candidates in there right now it's joe walsh, william weld who you've been supportive of. i'm not trying to diminish
either of them. there is a tall candidate, mitt romney who you worked for who isn't getting in right now. why do you think people with higher stature who may not be publicly supportive of the president hasn't jumped in? >> it's a tough thing being an incumbent president. you have to be willing to strap that on and think it's really an uphill battle all the way. you know, at face value, governor weld is much more of a sort of person the republican party would nominate. former reagan appointed u.s. attorney, big state governor who won historic upsets, got reelected with the largest margin in the history of massachusetts. that's more likely a person who would be a republican nominee than a guy in the casino business and donated to anthony weiner. all you can do is get out there and fight and see how the fight goes. and be glad that you're in the fight. i think governor weld is glad he's in this fight.
>> governor kasich, you've been asked almost every day, since 2016, if you would run against president trump. i guess my question to you -- and you usually answer you don't see a path right now, or you haven't decided. i want to know what a path would look like. if you did see a path, have you thought about what that path would be? >> well, look, john, i'm been in a lot of elections, okay. i ran for the state senate when i was 25 years old. nobody thought i could win. i thought i could. and i ran and i won. i ran for congress in a year when not one single republican other than me defeated an incumbent democrat. i thought i could do it. i ran for governor without ever having run statewide before. i think it's the first time it's happened where a non-statewide candidate beat an incumbent governor. i thought i could win. and i ran in 2016 and nobody thought i could, you know, go as far as i did, and i did.
but i look at this and i don't see the path right now. so that does president mean there wouldn't be a path down the road, but right now i don't see it. and that's a complicated long answer. and if we were in political science class, john, i could answer for you, but it's not something i can answer in a few seconds. look, i'm very pleased to be doing what i'm doing. i've been sounding an alarm since the convention in 2016, and i'm doing the best that i can do. and so this is just a matter of judgment on my part. and what i think i'm called to do, because the lord has given me a lot of skills and a lot of opportunity. we just have to see. right now i don't see it. >> so, stuart, both anthony scaramucci and joe walsh have told me over the last few weeks, they talked to republicans including republicans on capitol hill who privately agree with them. they won't tell me the names,
and that in itself may be indicative of what's going on here. so if these people do exist, why are they staying silent? >> well, you know, going against an incumbent president of the united states, a member of your own party is a tough thing. the reality is if you're a united states senator or congressman, you can do a better job if you get along with the president. if bernie sanders was president of the united states, senator cotton would be a better senator if he got along with the white house. that's just the reality of how our system works. and i understand that. that's often why it takes an outsider like governor weld who is willing to step up and take this fight. >> governor kasich -- >> john, i have a slightly different take. >> go for it. >> i have a slightly different take on why people don't want to speak out, because they don't want hassles. they don't want to have people raising cane with them in the district and they don't want to have a primary. there's a lot of choices that
people in public office have to make. when you get into a race for president, that's a whole 'nother matter. see, to me, you've got to believe you can win. if you can't see that you can win, you're putting your friends, your family, everybody else out there. but that doesn't mean i'm not being heard in the public arena. i'm being heard in the public arena loud and clear, and i'll continue to be heard. but the fact that people don't want to speak out because it's not good for their state, i don't buy that. i think it's more self-interest. >> stuart stevens, john kasich, i appreciate you being with me and i appreciate your honesty. the news continues. i'll hand it over to chris for cuomo primetime. >> j.b., i appreciate you being with me. and i appreciate your honesty. i am chris cuomo. welcome to primetime. the earth's lungs won't be saved until the president of brazil gets an apology. are you kidding me? he feels insulted by the head of france, and that's going to hold up his acceptance of relief?