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hello, everyone. i'm fredricka whitfield in for kate bolduan. right now we are getting a brand new update on the path and
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strength of hurricane dorian. it looks like it's heading straight toward florida. the national hurricane center has just issued the latest advisory and all signs point to a major hurricane. the entire state of florida is on alert as dorian approaches. the governor has already declared a state of emergency and stores are reporting empty shelves as residents stock up on food, water and medical supplies. let's get straight to the new forecast, cnn's chad myers joins us right now. what are you seeing? >> i'm afraid that it isn't good. now we're up to a category four hurricane, a low four, but irrelevant. 130 miles per hour. that's sunday morning, 8:00 in the morning. here's labor day morning, 8:00, still a category four. 130 miles per hour. the cone anywhere from about key biscayne on up into the jacksonville area is possible. because of the possible turn that this could make as it gets closer to the shore. it is going to slow down for
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sure. this is 24 hours, literally, from the coast to orlando, in 24 hours. you could probably walk there in 24 hours. and that's the heavy rain potential all the way through the entire peninsula of florida, because this will not be a compact storm when it gets there. it has 96 hours to gain strength in very warm water. we're now seeing the hurricane hunter aircraft fly through it at 89 miles per hour at the surface, slightly higher at flight level. so what else has been here in the past? there's dorian and francis, irma, jean, hug oh. all of those passing within about 60 nautical miles of where we are right now. the american model taking it farther to the north, closer to the space coast t european model taking it further to the south. but then turning it toward the right and up the peninsula of florida. i think the hurricane center is kind of taking it somewhere down the middle of what the true consensus of the models.
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the true consensus of the model is where they're putting their new cone out there. it's an impressive-looking storm. it's too far away to show you on radar because the only closest radar would be puerto rico and now that would be above its radar beam. >> thanks so much, chad. we'll check back with you as needed. people across florida are preparing for the worst as hurricane dorian approaches. cnn's nick valencia is in daytona beach. how are people preparing? >> it is beautiful today, fredricka, daytona beach, another typical day here. but this is not expected to last. this weekend will be disrupted by what is expected to be a major category four storm. the governor just gave a press conference a little while ago reminding people there was ten years that florida did not take a direct hit from a hurricane, but the last four years they've been impacted by five major storms. i mentioned people are taking it seriously. we're already starting to see long lines at the gas stations.
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we're seeing people filling up sand bags, as well as plywood for their residences. officials are stressing to anyone that lives up and down the east coast right now that it's not quite clear will this will make direct land fall, bull they're being clear and direct if you live anywhere along the east coast of florida you need to be ready for anything to happen. >> nick valencia, thank you so much. i'm joined now by the mayor of west palm beach, mayor keith james. good to see you. so you could be facing a direct hit from a category four, possibly, hurricane. what are you most concerned about right now? >> well, our primary concerns certainly are the lives of our residents, and we are hoping for the best, but we're preparing for the worst. and we have been encouraging people, even since yesterday, to get prepared, get water, get gas, get cash out of the atms,
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and the more we hear about this storm it sounds like this is a serious one. >> the governor desantis put out a statement, in fact, saying everyone in florida should have seven days of food, water and medicine. are you confident that people will be doing that? because we know there's always a problem with complacency when there's a threat of an incoming storm. >> we are cautiously optimistic that people are heeding the advice. this is not our first rodeo, if you will, with storms. francis and jean hit us a few years ago around the same time of year. we prepare, we as a city prepare for hurricanes all year around. we have an emergency operation center that is at level two activation and i believe that our citizens will heed the warning. we're encouraging people to understand what your evacuation zones are and if you are advised to evacuate, evacuate.
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>> and thus far, where are we on evacuations? >> we haven't finished that determination yet. we're continuing to monitor the track of the storm so we can get a better idea. but probably by tomorrow morning we will have a specific idea as to which of those zones we should be evacuating. >> you were a city commissioner when hurricane irma hit in 2017. is there something you learned from that experience that you want to apply here? >> well, i think what i learned is that, unfortunately, the worst is after the storm. we are concerned about flooding. we're concerned about winds. we're concerned about rain. but a lot of times the worst is after the storm where people are without power and we hope that people have enough food, folks who are living in shelters, and sometimes it takes a while to get back up and going. and so we hope that people will be patient with the process, but
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that is what i learned, is that a lot of times the real difficulties of these storms is not during the storm, it's the aftermath. >> and usually among the most vulnerable homeless people, the elderly, what do you do or what special preparations are being made for them? >> we have shelters, we're opening shelters for people with special needs. they have to register for the shelters. another lesson that we learned back from irma in 2017 is how vulnerable some of these assisted living homes are and nursing homes. we already are sending out teams of police and fire to check on those facilities now to make sure we have generators in place in case of an outage. we don't want a repeat of some of the horror stories i'm sure you heard from other communities in 2017, where folks literally died from heat exposure. so we're trying to anticipate and prepare for that now and sending people out to talk with the owners of the facilities to make sure that they are prepared
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for what will be a tremendous catastrophe probably. >> mayor keith james of west palm beach, florida, thank you so much. we wish you the best. >> thank you very much for your interest in our communities. >> coming up, president trump considering blocking $250 million in military aid to ukraine. it's a move the chairman of the house intelligence committee called destructive to our national security. details on that straight ahead. plus, the trump administration now targeting families of some u.s. service members overseas, making it harder for their kids to become u.s. citizens. but why? stay with us. and for a limited time. buy any samsung galaxy note 10 and get one samsung galaxy note 10 for free. is it to carry cargo... greatness of an suv? or to carry on a legacy?
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welcome back. president trump is mulling a plan that would likely get the approval of russian president vladimir putin. sources tell cnn that trump is considering blocking today's 250 million in u.s. military aid to the ukraine, a move that could be met with bipartisan backlash from those who see u.s. aid as essential to pushing back against russia's military involvement. this comes on the heels of trump's controversial remarks about russia at the g7 summit. he downplayed moscow's
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intervention in ukraine and suggested that putin be reinstated as a g7 leader. jeremy diamond is joining me right now. what more are you hearing? >> that's right, fredricka, multiple sources are now telling cnn that the president is seriously considering blocking that $250 million in military aid to ukraine. this was aid that was previously approved by congress for this fiscal year and the trump administration has now placed that aid under review, and if it doesn't go forward with approving that aid in the coming weeks effectively, that aid will be blocked and will not go to ukraine. one source is telling us that the white house has already begun to notify relevant agencies and congressional committees about its intentions to block that aid, but the source is stressing that the president hasn't yet made a final decision. as you mentioned, all of this comes on the heels of the president suggesting that he would like to re-include russia into the g8, which is currently the g7, following russia's
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annexation of crimea in ukraine. and obviously the support for ukraine and the military aid is viewed as a key barometer fof u.s. support for ukraine and also its effort to counter russian influence in the region. now, next week, the president is set to meet with the ukrainian president for the first time, the new-elected ukrainian president, so we'll see if that meeting perhaps changes the president's mind at all. but right now we've already seen a lot of criticism from democratic lawmakers and we are sure to expect that some republican lawmakers will also object to this move. support fort ukraine has been fairly bipartisan in congress and this could be a very controversial move. >> indeed. all right, jeremy, thank you so much. appreciate it. joining me right now former pentagon and state department spokesman, a retired admiral john kirby. good to see you. he's now a cnn military and dep ploe mattic analyst.
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is there any reason why this would make sense? >> it's really hard to make that case, fred. even know cease fire violations and some of the fighting has decreased over the summer, particularly since last month, there is still fighting between ukrainian forces and these russian-backed separatists. not the mention the fact that since 2014 the russians have almost tripled up to 30,000 the number of troops they have in crimea and they've become more aggressive in the black sea with their navy moves. so this doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a military perspective at all. >> so the president seems to be going out of his way, if you will, to make this kind of friendly gesture to vladimir putin. i mean, at the core, what is going on here? >> well, that's hard to know. it's hard to know exactly what president trump is thinking. but i don't think just sitting back as you and i have, you have to view this in context of other things going on right now. as jeremy just reported, his interest in bringing russia back into the g8 or what would be the
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g8 when he was in france making that case in france, which apparently got pretty testy with the other g7 partners, but also you have to keep it in context of the decision that this dmingds has taken to review all foreign aid and assistance and try to cut back in general. so it kind of fits his mode of, a, i don't like foreign aid and assistance, and b, i like vladimir putin and i don't want to be so tough on russia. it's really hard to know exactly what's in his mind in terms of the timing. back to your first question, which is the most relevant question, does this make sense from a military perspective and from our obligations to support ukraine because their territorial integrity is still being violated every day by russia and there is still fighting. so mathematically, it just doesn't make any sense. >> so separate from this, former defense secretary spoke to jeff re-goldberg of the atlantic for a piece that posted this morning. and what was most notable in your view about what he wouldn't
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say? he wouldn't elaborate on the president, per se. he did talk about a so-called duty of silence. but he also said, and let me quote now, he says there was a period in which i oh my silence. it's not er ternl. it's not going to be forever, end quote. so what point do you believe he will kind of break that silence? >> i don't know. only jim mattis knows whether and when he'll ever break his silence and talk more candidly. so it's a very personal decision when you're a cabinet official. when you leave office, about whether you're going to write a memoire or not. how canned it are you going to be about the administration you left? some are very candid and bob gates when he was secretary of defense wrote a candid memoire. i've worked for cabinet officials who choose to do it and i've worked for some who chose not to. one of them in fact a couple of
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years ago told me not only am i not going to write a memoir, but i don't think that i'm making my successor's job any easier by being out in the media space. it's a personal decision. i know we all would like to hear more from secretary mattis about his time working for president trump, but we need to respect his own prerogatives. it's not an obligation that he has to tell all. he has an opportunity to do that to the degree that he's comfortable with, and i think, knowing secretary mattis the way i do, that you're not going to see him open up very much over time, even after the administration is out of power. i just don't see this being the kind of thing that he's going to be very forthright about. >> except he's dangled some pretty enticing carrots by the bit he has revealed. >> he has and that's been disappointing to me. he's teasing but he won't come out and say it. and i don't know how much this book which was started before he became secretary of defense, it
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was supposed to be about leadership, i don't know how much it's going to reveal about his time as secretary of defense, not only just about trump but being secretary of defense. so i do find that disappointing that he's sort of teasing us but he won't go the extra mile and explain exactly what he's thinking. >> admiral john kirby, always good to see you. thanks so much. >> you too, thanks. >> coming up the u.s. justice department inspector general releasing a long-awaited report on former fbi james comey, a report on how he handled memos about his meetings with president trump, now comey says an apology would be nice next. you're turning onto the street when you barely clip a passing car. minor accident -no big deal, right? wrong. your insurance company is gonna raise your rate after the other car got a scratch so small
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a new report just released by the u.s. department of justice's inspector general says former fbi director james comey broke fbi policy by sharing memos he wrote on meetings with president trump back in 2017. cnn's sarah murray joining me right now. sarah, you've been digging through this 83-page report from the doj's inspector general and what have you found? >> well, it basically says that james comey, the former fbi director, violated fbi policies in the way that he retained and handled these memos. and remember these were the memos that were documenting his interactions with president trump, which james comey found alarming and then he shared them with one of his friends who then shared them with members of the
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media. and so the report goes on to essentially say that comey set a dangerous example in the way that he shared this information, not only for all of the current fbi employees, but for all of the former fbi employees who are taught to carefully guard information about what is going on at the fbi, about potentially ongoing investigations, about communications there. it also sites quotes from a number of comey's advisers saying they were shocked and stunned and disappointed in the way that comey reacted to this. so certainly not a positive portrayal of how the former fbi director conducted himself. >> so the report says it wasn't classified information, but it was confidential. meantime, james comey is already talking. what is he saying? >> well, he's latching onto a part of this report that says that what comey shared with the media was not the classified portion in any of these memos. and so comey is coming out essentially and defending himself on twitter and saying i'm not a leeker. he said i don't need a public apology from those who defamed
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me but a quick message of sorry we lied about you would be nice and all of those who spent two years about me going to jail or being a liar or a leaker, ask yourselves why you trust people who gave you bad info for so long, including the president. >> and breaking policy or sharing confidential information is not something worth prosecuting? >> well, they referred this, the inspector general referred this to the joij and said essentially it is up to you if you guys decide you want to prosecute this. and what the justice department did was they decided not to. they said it was not clear from the evidence that james comey had actually intended to violate this policy about handling classified information, and so ultimately doj decided the evidence just was not there to actually bring charges against james comey. so while this may be a pretty tough report to pretty about the way he conducted himself, doj decided ultimately it wasn't criminal. >> sarah murray, thanks thank you. a new trump administration policy will make it harder for
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just in to cnn, the department of homeland security is blocking house oversight committee's staff from visiting immigration facilities. in a letter to the dhs, committee members argue that this action goes against a pledge from dhs to welcome
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congressional inspections and to have open dialogue about improving conditions. cnn's lauren fox joining me right now. what are you learning, lauren? >> reporter: we know that house oversight committee chairman elijah cummings sent this letter to dhs basically arguing that congressional staffers were blocked from visiting 11 facilities trying to look at the conditions within those facilities. and in the letter cummings writes, quote, the department's last-minute denial of access to cbp facilities and unwarranted restrictions at i.c.e. facilities are unacceptable and impair the committee's ability to conduct its oversight responsibilities in an effective manner. the committee requests that the department provide meaningful access to all facilities identified by committee staff. and they are saying that this came after committee staff visited some facilities last week and found some troubling conditions. i want to just read to you a few of those conditions that they found. they said that children were not
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given age-appropriate food in some conditions, they also said there was a lack of diapers for parents and that children were placed in cold rooms without adequate clothing on. and there was one more observation that one staffer wrote down, saying one detainee alleged that a border patrol agent told a child who had spilled soup that the child would not receive more food unless that child drank the spilled soup off the floor. and as you know, this is part of democrats' operation to try to get more information about what's going on in these facilities. sometimes they have been, as in this case, blocked from being able to even get in. fredricka. >> so what potentially is next? >> well, i think that's unclear at this point. i mean, obviously the democrats are very concerned about the lack of access here. that is what cummings is trying to get to the bottom of. he wants to make sure that his staffers are able to get in and actually see these facilities, but you can expect that there will be more letters exchanged,
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perhaps, and we'll be waiting to hear what dhs has to say in response. >> all right. lauren fox, thank you so much. and a new policy from the trump administration is making it harder for children of some u.s. military members living overseas to claim citizenship. the rule affects children of naturalized u.s. citizens who are serving abroad if their parents have lived in the u.s. for less than five years. while this doesn't make anyone gin eligible for citizenship, it does create a hurdle and a lot of worries for these military families. cnn's senior and national correspondent alex marquardt is with me now. >> there was a lot of confusion when this was announced and the citizenship and immigration services is saying this is a policy that is being put into place to align it with the state department policy. but essentially, fred, who this is affecting directly, are new naturalized u.s. citizens who
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are serving in the military or the government overseas, as well as people who are not yet u.s. citizens, who are trying to become u.s. citizens and are doing so while they serve the united states government overseas. so imagine you are someone who has been deployed overseas and you have just become a u.s. citizen in the last few years. or as there are thousands of cases of, you are a not-yet u.s. citizen serving in the military overseas. if you have a child overseas, that child will not automatically become a u.s. citizen. as parents, you will have to then apply for that child to become a u.s. citizen. it doesn't make them ineligible, as you said, but it adds a process. it's a long and arduous process to apply for american citizenship, of course, and one that a lot of parents don't necessarily want to undertake. now, the administration is downplaying the number of people who are affected by this. the department of defense says
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it's around 100 people per year. they just said on a phone call a short while ago that it's a handful of people. but that's kind of beyond the point. if you look at this carefully, the people who are being affected are people who are not born in the u.s., who are not citizens from birth. and that is going to create a lot of fear and concern among people who are serving the united states, oftentimes in harm's way. fred, i was speaking to a navel officer who said that there are probably a lot of spouses who are on bases overseas in places like japan or germany or italy who are probably on their way back to the u.s. right now to make sure that they can have their kids in the u.s. to guarantee that they will become u.s. citizens. this policy is meant to go into effect on october 29th. >> while people may think that's a small number, 100 per year, if you're one of the 100, it doesn't matter the val youm.
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a disturbing plot to kill college students disrupted by police. police arresting a student who admitted to planning a mass shooting at high point university in north carolina. officers charged the 19-year-old freshman with two felony counts of having a gun on campus and making threats of mass violence after a classmate reported him. cnn's martin savidge has the latest. >> he's been charged with two counts of having two weapons on school property and communicating a threat of mass violence. the positive is that this appears to be a potential mass killing that was averted thanks to the involvement of students, as well as faculty and administration here who notified the authorities. this young man who was a freshman had only been on campus less than two weeks, but he had
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already started the preparations. authorities say that he actually told them he began thinking about this last december. but last weekend he actually went out and purchased two weapons, a 9 millimeter handgun and a double barrel shotgun. in fact, he told authorities that the reason he went to school in north carolina was because he thought it would be easier to purchase firearms than it would be in his home state of massachusetts. on top of that, authorities say that he had been looking at videos of other mass killings, apparently to learn what to do and what not to do. and that as far as motivation going on in his mind, two things. authorities say he told them that he was, quote, not going to be an outcast any longer and also that he had been rushing for a fraternity on campus there, and apparently he told authorities that if his roommate was accepted but he was not, it would be some kind of trigger event and he would kill his roommate, kill himself and
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possibly harm others in the whole process. he has been expelled from the school and right now he has not been granted any kind of bond. he is expected to undergo a psychological evaluation. but again, this goes back to if you see something, say something. and on a campus in high point there they did see something, and thankfully it appears tragedy has been averted. fredricka. >> wow, incredibly frightening. martin, thank you so much. meantime, a man hunt is underway for a married couple who overpowered who security officers during a prisoner transport in utah and they're still on the run. they were being moved to face charges in connection with the death of a 72-year-old man in tucson, arizona. cnn's dan simon has more. >> reporter: wanted for murder, these two suspects, a husband and wife, are on the run after overpowering the security guards transporting them across the country. authorities say blane barksdale who has ties to the arian brotherhood and his wife susan
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pretended to have some kind of emergency, forcing their guards to pull over. >> how did they overpower these guards? >> we believe that they used some kind of a medical emergency or a medical bathroom break for them to pull over to the side of the road and once they got over to the side of the road, they were able to overpower them, bind them and threw them in the back of the van they were in. >> the barksdales are suspected in the april murder of 72-year-old blank bligh of tucson, arizona. his home burned but his body never found. he had a relationship with the barksdales, especially the wife. sue and my brother were very good friends and it was just the -- it was a good friendship relationship. >> reporter: police haven't commented on the motive, but the barks dales also face robbery charges. he's stunned that the couple was able to get away. >> we thought everything was
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going to be fine. we thought this week they were going in be in arizona and they were going to start all the court processing and everything like that. and now everything is just up in the air. they don't know what's going to happen right now. >> reporter: the may police arrested the couple in upstate new york. the couple made an escape attacking the guards on monday in southern utah. >> it took a few hours for the guards to break out of the van where they were able to notify the local sheriff's department. what kind of concerns me at this point is they need money and maybe another vehicle. >> reporter: that's why authorities worry about the potential for more violent crimes. on the lam now for a couple of days, the barksdales could be anywhere. >> well, arizona authorities, the pima county sheriff's office had a contract with a kansas-based firm to transport the prisoners. the firm is not saying anything about what happened. i can tell you that the contract
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has been suspended. of course there will be plenty of questions as to how this occurred, but right now the focus is on trying to locate those fugitives. >> and to locate them, there is a reward being offered, right? >> reporter: that's right, the u.s. marshals office is offering a $20,000 reward for anybody who can lead information that will ultimately find them. >> dan simon, appreciate it. thank you. after seeing a dip in the polls, kamala harris says she is focused on her ground game in early states. up next, a look at some of her biggest supporters who aren't even old enough to vote. and if you go down, that's me, above him. you won best looking in your senior year of high school? somebody had to win it. my best high school moment was the day i walked across the stage. my dad...couldn't read real good, so, it was a milestone for me. ancestry has over 400,000 yearbooks from all across the country. so go back to school with your friends and family,
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if it's connected, it's protected. call, click, or visit a store today. the democratic presidential candidates are hitting the campaign trail today as they await final word from the dnc on who made the debate stage. senator kirsten gillibrand won't make the cut, dropping out of the race after failing to gain traction in the polls. but one person who will be on that debate stage is california senator kamala harris. as cnn's kyung lah reports, families of color wanting to see kamala harris even if she hasn't locked down their vote. >> reporter: another rally in the race for 2020. >> hi, everyone. >> reporter: her sisters -- >> i'm half mexican, half vietnamese. >> reporter: and leah chow, this
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is a destination. >> why did you drive two hours to be here? >> really i wanted for her to see a woman, if anything, and especially a woman of color run for president. >> it's time to take action. >> you know, it took 24 years to get to this point for me and she's only 9, so imagine when she's 24, she's not going to think this is abnormal. >> reporter: from davenport, iowa, to denver, colorado, there's a recurring theme among the parents who bring their children to see a biracial woman run for president. >> your daughter asked you to come? >> yes. she's actually a big fan, big supporter. she's been following kamala harris. >> i feel like it would be special to be the first female president. >> reporter: hillary clinton helped pave the way. elizabeth warren shares that message. >> i'm running for president because that's what girls do. >> reporter: but 11-year-old skyler sees her reflection in
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harris. >> i think she's pretty good to try and do that. she's not holding back or anything. >> the connection we feel, when they look and see someone who looks like them a lot of times that kind of lets them visualize their future and see what's possible for them as children even. >> reporter: it's something harris knows, why she takes the time, especially with children of color. >> win or lose, what does that mean for you? >> it means the world to me. when i see those little girls in particular, i mean i see myself, right? and i see the children of my family. and i see the children of our country. and i see the promise of our country. my mother had many sayings, and one of them is you may be the first to do many things. make sure you're not the last. and it is my true hope that my career and whatever i can do
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is -- empowers other people, of whatever age. >> authorities investigating a racist anti-immigrant manifesto that they believe was posted by the shooter just before the massacre. >> reporter: in these divided times when children have questions about the news, some parents consider a political rally the antidote. >> with us being an interracial couple, it's important we give him a sense it's okay to be who he is in this community. >> he's aware that his dad is black and his mom is white, but we push really hard to make sure he knows that's not bad, that's beautiful, that's wonderful, that's what the united states is. >> and that was kyung lah reporting. now to a policy decision just announced by the trump administration. this one would contribute significantly to the climate crisis. the epa says it plans to ease regulations on methane, which is a powerful greenhouse gas. it's a rollback that even major
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oil and gas companies oppose. cnn government regulation correspondent rene marsh is joining us with more details on this. so what are you learning about this new rule? >> well, fred, this proposal rolls back obama-era regulation on methane emissions. scientists say that methane is a major contributor to climate change and it's so much more dangerous than carbon dioxide when it comes to climate because of how effectively it absorbs heat. now, the trump epa would no longer require the oil and gas industry to install technologies that monitor and limit methane gas leaks from new wells, tanks, pipelines. this move, of course, is coming at a time when greenhouse gas emissions are at an all-time high and the world is already seeing many of the effects of climate change from more severe storms, wildfires. but what's really interesting about today's move here is that the entire oil and gas industry is not in lock-step with the
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administration on this. we know that big oil companies like shell and exxonmobil have warned that lack of regulations to curb these sort of emissions could essentially undercut the argument that natural gas is a cleaner fuel. but this isn't an isolated incident. if you remember when the trump administration said it would relax fuel economy standards for cars, some of the largest automakers said no, thank you. many of them are opting to follow stricter fuel standards and voluntarily make more fuel-efficient cars. so you're seeing a pattern here. an administration that is eager to aggressively roll back these sort of environmental regulations and industry not necessarily saying that they are onboard here. so the question today, though, is what is the thinking behind epa's latest move? and the agency in a call just a while ago to reporters said that they're not quite sure that they are the ones that should be
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regulating methane and they also brought up the cost savings that would come along with stripping back these regulations. they are estimating that the industry could save some $17 to $19 million a year if they are able to roll back these regulations, fred. >> so some of these oil and gas companies say they don't necessarily agree with this idea, this change. does that mean they are going to compel themselves to adhere to the old standard, or are they going to dispute the epa? i mean what's next when you have this kind of incongruency? >> right. that is the issue that the industry has. they like certainty. so what they don't want is a situation where the trump epa is saying we're going to relax the rule but then you have states like california saying, no, we plan on making our own rules and they'll be a lot more strict. so what you're finding is that the industry is going with what they see is the safer bet. they're saying, look, they know
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that these sort of rollbacks will be challenged. they have questions about it. shell, for example, specifically saying that they're going to continue to operate in a way that would roll back the use of these sort of emissions. they plan on working to cap these emissions because they understand the impact on the environment, fred. >> all right. we'll leave it there. rene marsh, thanks so much. i'm fredricka whitfield. thanks for joining us. "inside politics" with dana bash starts right now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm dana bash. john king is off today. it's days away from hitting, but getting stronger by the minute. dorian now forecast to be a category 4 hurricane with florida in its crosshairs. james comey is on the defensive today after the justice department's watchdog concludes the fired fbi director violated agency policy and set a dangerous exampley

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