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suicide. >> same here. >> and you get hit with this feeling of i should have done more. i should have done more. >> what did i do? yeah. >> and the human reality is people make their own choices. they're on their own journey. but reaching out to someone who seems a little off -- and we have good instincts as human beings. your familiarity with someone, they're a little quiet, not showing up the same way, talking a little bit down about themselves. what does it take you to ask questions about how they're doing and how they're feeling and what it could mean and whether or not they're taking care of themselves? it costs you nothing. >> yeah. so i say that video of the two kids -- i don't know if they can run it. i don't know who's in control, your show or my show. >> mel, if you've got it, put the video back up. >> i love the video of those kids. that's like me and you after one of us goes on vacation. where you been? >> it's how we both run after lunch. >> it's really great. >> what i love about it is it makes everything so simple. yeah, one kid is brown.
the other kid is white. but they just see each other and know each other as that, just somebody that makes them feel good. >> yeah. so i got to tell you, though -- i got to run because we got big news. we got the election coming up and we're following it very closely. we may not be friends after you watch jimmy kimmel tonight. i'm just saying. >> uh-oh. you didn't go after me for a few laughs, did you? you're not that shallow, are you? >> of course i am. see ya. >> that was a rhetorical question. see you later. i'll be watching tonight. >> see you. bye. see you later. take it easy. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. here's our breaking news. the votes are being counted right now. i'm talking about this north carolina special congressional election that could have huge implications across this country. we're going to tell you why. this is why. because what happens in the state tonight, it could be a precursor -- it could tell us a lot about what might happen in the 2020 race. the republican, his name is dan bishop.
and then the democrat, another dan, dan mccready, locked in a tight race. it's in a district that president trump won handily in 2016. but it's close now between the democrat and the republican. a district that has been solidly republican since, get this, 1963. straight to it now. cnn's john king at the magic wall with the very latest. even though the president is not on the ballot, make no mistake. this is a large part of the referendum on his presidency. votes still being counted, but this is a race that should be an easy win for the gop. it shouldn't even be close, but it is tonight. we're all over this story. cnn's best people on it, and there they all are. let's get to one first. mr. john king at the magic wall. good evening, john. results are coming in. how does it look right now at the moment? >> getting close to the finish line, don. the republican has a narrow lead, two numbers that matter very much as we get close. a 3,821-vote lead for republican dan bishop with 92% of the vote in. you're right, even if republicans just win this race,
democrats will say it should have been a blowout, that we're within a point or two is good news for the democrats. republicans will say that. we won a special election in a tough environment. guess what. if it turns out that way, both will be right. republicans if they hold on will win a tough race in a tough environment. democrats will say, we shouldn't be having this conversation tonight. this should have been a blowout. so as we look right now, 92% in. a 3,821 -- 3,800 and change for dan bishop, the republican. this is what's left, the big piece of what's left is mecklenburg county. 76% in. this is about a third, 30% to a third of the district depending on turnout. it's the edge of charlotte and then the suburbs to the southeast of charlotte. you see it blue for dan mccready. you see he's winning. this is good news for the democrats. again, republicans are having
trouble in the suburbs. that's on steroids in the trump era. the question as we get to the end, remember that, 3,200 and change lead, is there enough here? does this margin hold up as the rest of this vote comes in, and is it enough? not impossible, but i would argue as we get close to here, it's getting more difficult and maybe even improbable. but watch it. it's not impossible as we watch the votes come in. why is all the focus now on mecklenburg? big republican county here. 100% in. dan bishop wins. dan mccready winning here but 100% in. no more to be counted. move over here, 100% in in richmond. no more to be counted. 100 particular in scotland county, no more to be counted. robeson county, same thing, 100% in. the only place where there are still votes out is bladen county. it's a small county but a rural republican county. bishop has a lead now. he can expect to get a little more as the back half to a third comes in here. this changed the race late. cumberland county, which is fayetteville suburbs to the southeast of fayetteville here was blue most of the night. it's essentially a tie but dan bishop eking out a lead there where mccready was leading most of the race. let's come back to the big picture. up to 95% now. that lead added a little bit.
this is how it gets not impossible but improbable and very difficult in the sense that as the final votes come in -- let me pull out mecklenburg. and see what we're up to. we're now up to 90% in mecklenburg. so dan mccready continues to lead. the question is as more and more comes in, don, can it come in? he has to outperform this. he's been winning 56% of the vote in the county now. he has to do better than that because when you pull it out, he has to overcome that. again, math's not impossible. i would argue it's starting to get improbable. what does that mean? it means dan bishop is in the lead. in the next hour we should be able to finish this up. and again, if he holds on, republicans will say, whew. president trump went in at the last minute. he will say he made the difference. republicans will say, we won. they will be right. they will have held this seat they've had since 1963. if you're the democrats, you're going to think, we came really close. that means we're strong in the suburbs heading into 2020, but you still will have lost a race in which you were very close. again, we'll count the final 5% probably within this hour and
know the winner. >> listen, a win is a win if they do win. it's got to be, to them, they've got to wonder what the heck is going on. as you said, republicans are in trouble in the suburbs in the trump era. i'm just wondering how does this race reflect, john, what's ahead in 2020 because, you know, you've got a while until 2020. you know, we don't know who's going to be on the ballot, right, before they start counting votes. if democrats get their act together and get a game plan, maybe they could eke out a win somehow. >> there's two different ways to look at it. the president will say, number one, if the republican holds on, he will say, i went in late. i helped carry the day. once we get to 2020, i'm on the top of the ballot. i'll be fine. that is the president's mind-set. a lot of his advisers tell him it's not going to be that easy, but that is his mindset. in the short term -- we'll learn more about 2020 as we get closer to 2020 and go through the democratic primaries. who do they nominate? who are the third party candidates? in the short-term, even if the republican holds on this, in the short-term, you're going to see more republicans who are thinking we're not going to get the majority back in 2020 in the
house, are we? you're going to see even if the republicans hold on here, you're going to see more republican retirements without a doubt. >> all right. john king standing by at the magic wall. we got 5%, and you said we should get it this hour. >> we hope so. >> we'll check back. john king, thank you. stand by. i'm going to bring in now dana bash, david chalian, nia-malika henderson. good evening to all of you, the best folks to talk about this in the business. david, i'm going to start with you. it's a tight race. what is standing out to you right now? >> well, one thing you were just talking with john king that the president may claim some credit here if the republican holds on. john was showing you that cumberland county, where fayetteville is and how that was basically a tie. it had been a democratic lead all night. what is really intriguing there is remember, mccready was on the ballot in 2018. he won cumberland county by four points in 2018. now it's a dead heat. well, where was the president last night? he was in fayetteville. he was in cumberland county. he will see that as evidence
that the last-minute drive into the district and to rally the troops could make a difference with that election day vote today. >> hmm. dana, you've been hearing some republicans call the ninth congressional district a swing district. i mean how worried -- 1963, a swing district? how worried are they tonight? >> well, they were worried. they're not completely ready to breathe a sigh of relief until this is actually called. >> but it's looking like they're going to win. >> but it's looking like they are. what david just said about those areas where the president helped, it's not just republicans who are saying that. it's actually i've been communicating with a democratic strategist who's very involved in this, saying that it was very likely that it was the president's visit, the president's effort that popped up the numbers of his base, you know, republican voters and potentially put the republican there over the edge if it ends up as tight as it looks right
now. we'll see if that's the case. >> mm-hmm. >> so, look, on the one hand you could say, well, for a republican president to go into a district that he won by almost 12 points in 2016, that no republican has won in the congressional level since 1963, okay, so what? but we would have been having a very different conversation if the president didn't go in and if the democrat did take this seat. >> interesting. nia, i want to bring you in now. the suburban voters have played a really big role in previous elections. talk about how important those voters are tonight. >> that's right. i mean they were the story of 2018, suburban districts across the country that went for donald trump essentially flipping for the democrats. the democrats ran candidates in these races, and dan mccready of course was one of them in 2018, who fit the district more, right? they were moderate.
they ran on bread and butter issues like health care, like education, same issues that dan mccready is running on now, and they were able to flip these districts. that is why nancy pelosi holds the speaker's gavel at this point. these are the voters that even somebody like biden is looking at, right? this idea that there's sort of the chamber of commerce republicans, right, who like the economy, like the fiscal approach of this president, but don't like the twitter version of this president, don't like the culture war version of this president. you saw in this district that dan bishop, he kind of ran a culture war campaign. he himself said it was all about donald trump. a lot of ads that were running were very negative in terms of dan mccready and you saw of course the president go in there and essentially say that dan mccready was going to be a rubber stamp for the left, which he called anti-american. so that's the race that he ran, dan bishop, and might win as a
result in this swing district. but some worrying signs, of course, for republicans among those key bloc of suburban white, college-educated voters, who do seem to be fraying and running away from this president. we'll see what happens tonight in this race. >> david, you mentioned it. dana mentioned it as well. this is what the president said on his way to that rally last night. >> i think it's getting less close. if you look at the numbers from two weeks ago, and i got involved about two weeks ago, and the numbers have gone way up. i think dan has a very good chance of winning the election. again, i'm not running, but i have a lot of respect for dan bishop. >> david, clearly -- >> he just wanted a little bit of distance. >> yeah, if he loses, i'm not running. but if he wins, it's because of
me. he was worried. >> listen, he is going to take credit for it. there's no doubt to it. there's some evidence to suggest it's valid for him to take some credit. he and pence both go down there the day before the election. they didn't do that just on a lark. they did that because they knew how important it was to hang on to this, to have this moment of even if it's just a short-term sigh of relief, the closeness of this election if the democrat does come up short is still something that is going to provide heartburn to a lot of republican strategists looking at the long-term health of the party and their chances in 2020 of taking back the house in trump's re-election effort. but in the short term, the psychological ability to say that terrible political environment from 2018 is behind us, that is a really important thing for the republican party. >> yeah. and don, look, he can take credit and probably should as we've been saying if the republican bishop does win. but the bigger picture still exists, which is this should not
have been competitive for any other republican since, you know, again, since 1963, this has not been competitive. the factor that is different now than all of the decades since is donald trump and the trend that we saw in 2018. go ahead. i'm sorry. >> but dana -- no, no, no. i'm just riffing off what you're saying because we watched the special election. you were up with me covering. and when some people called it a blue wave or whatever you want to call it. but in districts and in these special elections that republicans had held, especially in the suburbs -- john mentioned the suburbs. we talked about this as well. >> yeah. >> again, a win is a win. but still this should not be happening. >> no, exactly. that's exactly right. and john mentioned this when he was talking about the latest numbers that we're seeing, that it is reality that there are republican after republican that are announcing that they are retiring in districts like this or even districts that are, you know, maybe not as comfortable
as this but similar in terms of its suburban makeup, in texas especially and elsewhere, but texas is i think the most interesting, because they don't want to deal because of the trump factor, because of the reality, you know, because the minority is not so fun in the house, and that's where republicans are right now, and they don't necessarily see that changing even in the next election when the president is at the top of the ticket. >> nia, this was trump plus 12, this district. bishop is currently up by about two points. how many more districts does that mean are potentially in play across the country? >> well, listen, i think it certainly means that if you're republican -- and dana alluded to this -- you're worried. if you're one of those republicans thinking in some ways you might have a chance to take back the house come 2020, that doesn't seem so likely at this point. it also, i think, goes to show that running so closely with
donald trump in these districts seems to be effective at this point. dan bishop wrapped himself in the mantle of donald trump, literally said this is about donald trump. donald trump had robocalls to folks in that district, and of course was there on monday with junior, with pence. everyone was there. the congressional committee poured millions of dollars into this race, so they had to be all in. it was all in for donald trump. so any of these folks who think in some ways, you know, they can sort of play it cute and sort of dial back their adoration and affiliation with donald trump as a republican, that's going to be increasingly difficult. and you see that some people are leaving as a result of that, right? you think somebody like will hurd, a critic of this president, basically throwing in the towel because there's no room or very little room in this party for people who aren't kind of all in on this president. >> especially, i would just add
to what nia is saying, especially in red districts like this one. >> exactly. >> we saw it in the last florida gubernatorial election. ron desantis, he went all in on trump. he was able to win a battleground state that might tilt a little red. here's the question. will it work in less red-leaning places like pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin in 2020? if we're trying to look at lessons from this election, i think that's the big question. does the full trump embrace work in some of these less red areas? >> all right. stand by. we've got a lot of ground to cover here. we'll be counting the votes. stick around. our breaking news tonight, the special congressional election that could tell us a lot about what to expect in the 2020 race. john king at the magic wall with the very latest. we'll be right back. who's dog is this? it's my special friend, antonio. his luxurious fur calms my nerves when i'm worried about moving into our new apartment.
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so here's our breaking news tonight. results are coming in for the very close race in the ninth congressional district in north carolina, a district that has been solidly republican since 1963. john king, he's back with us at the magic wall. john, as i understand, though, the republican dan bishop has held off the democrat dan mccready in north carolina in this district. and, again, this was an election that has been -- was plagued with that ballot fraud, but it appears dan bishop has held off the democrat here. it should have been an easy win for dan bishop. go ahead. what do you know? >> in 2018 it was ballot fraud. dan bishop was not the candidate. mark harris was. dan bishop, the replacement candidate if you will for the special election. dan mccready was the democrat back then. democrats thought because of the familiarity maybe they could pull it off but we're now ready to call this one. dan bishop will win. north carolina 9 will stay in republican hands. which it has stayed in since 1963. your headline there is a republican win, and the president will say a republican
win thanks to his last-minute visit and his last-minute help in this race without a doubt. republicans will breathe a sigh of relief. they will hold this seat. dan bishop about 4100 votes ahead with 99% of the votes counts. in the end, even though dan mccready was going to win mecklenburg county, it was not enough. simply not enough. biggest basket of votes in this district southeast of charlotte, if you will, in the suburbs, but just not enough for dan mccready. dan bishop holding on. let me pull the district back out. sorry about that. very close race. very close race in a district president trump carried just three years ago by 12 points. so the democrats will claim a moral victory. a moral victory doesn't get you a seat in the house. dan bishop will get the seat in the house. the question is as we go into 2020 is, yes, this is is, even though the republicans win, more proof in the suburbs here and even over here in this county here, cumberland county, dan bishop held on, essentially a tie there, just about 30 votes, held on. but in the suburbs, there's no question. republicans have a huge problem. they hold on here. the president will argue when
he's on the ballot next time, it will be different. he'll have a billion dollars, for example. he's using the rally like the one here to build a voting list. so a lot of lessons to be learned here. the democrats again will say we shouldn't have been that close. that's good for us. the republicans will say, we won the seat. >> what did he win by in 2016, meaning president trump? >> trump won this very same district. let's look at it up here. let's bring it up. remember, you're going to have a republican victory tonight in the ballpark of two points. we've got a little more to count but in the ballpark. 51-49. if you round those up. so a two-point race. we go back to the presidential race. this is the very same district. it's a 12-point race. turnout is much higher in a presidential year. north carolina is a red state although it's a very competitive state, it leans red. but there's no question democrats can say, look at this. this was plus 12, plus 12 just three years ago in the presidential race. a lot higher turnout. look at these numbers. that's in a presidential year. now, you come up here and you're talking about less than 200,000 votes.
so significant drop-off in a congressional race anyway. add in it's a special congressional race. your turnout is way down. but still, a two-point win for the republicans compared to a 12-point win for the republicans. the one unmistakable takeaway here is the suburban revolt that we saw in 2018 -- even in 2016 president trump underperformed mitt romney in the suburbs nationally. in 2018, that gets magnified hugely. nancy pelosi becomes speaker of the house. republicans are going to hold this seat tonight. in the post-election analysis, the republicans know they still have a problem in the suburbs. now they will say we won this race, whew, we have some time to try to deal with it. >> they're probably saying more than whew. >> probably. probably. >> probably. we won't go there. john king, thank you. stick around. we may need you. we're going to move on and get to our analysts. stand by, john king. as you know, this is our breaking news. cnn projects republican dan bishop wins the special election
in north carolina's 9th district. that as a new poll -- new cnn poll gives president trump bad news about how americans are feeling about his presidency. look at this. it's all in the numbers, folks. only 39% of americans approve of the job that he's doing. 55% disapprove. six in ten americans say that the president does not deserve to be re-elected. back with me, dana bash, david chalian, nia-malika henderson. so welcome back, everyone. so listen, let's look at this in terms of what happened in north carolina, what's happening, you know, around the country in many republican-held -- in a number of republican-held areas. this is a -- david, this is the president's lowest approval rating since january during the government shutdown. his approval rating has never really been high. so explain why we are now seeing republicans losing, or running these tight races in areas that trump won so handily. >> well, listen, his approval rating in our poll is 39% nationally.
but in that north carolina 9 district, donald trump's approval rating is majority support. i think he's above 50%. just showing you how much the president's approval rating is tied to his election prospects and his party's election prospects going forward. you mentioned this is on the lower end. we have talked many times about how donald trump operates in a very narrow band of approval ratings here. but this is now consistently over the summer we've seen him operate in the lower end of that. and here is what i think we see happening. two things. one, he is not making any gains whatsoever among these independent voters. they have just been pushed away, and he has not done anything to bring them back. that's one. obviously republicans are still super strong from i think 88% of republicans approve of the president's job performance in this poll. but on the economy, which has been his strong suit, what we see in these numbers is that for the very first time in seven months he's dipped below 50% approval. he's about even now, 48%
approve, 47% disapprove in his handling of the economy, don. that used to be a big advantage for him. that advantage has been wiped away. it's still his best issue, but it isn't the big advantage it used to be. and i think that has something to do with where his overall numbers are. >> the economy, dana, has been one of the president's biggest assets. >> yeah. >> better hope it hangs on. but for the first time in serve months in our polling, his approval has dropped below 50% to 48%. is he losing his best argument for -- or at least on the verge or the possibility of losing his best argument for re-election? >> look, that's exactly what david was just referring to, and that is what frankly i'm told his biggest concern is right now when he looks to his re-election. understanding very well that a humming economy was keeping him at least above sea level in general polling-wise -- >> but even having a humming economy, his approval rating still wasn't high for a humming economy. that's why david said he's
operating within a narrow bandwidth. >> no question. but the economy, his economic numbers, his approval numbers on the economy were keeping him higher than he would have been based on every other issue and based on other issues, you know, of his presidency besides policy ones. so there's that. and when you look at that, not just with this president and how he sees it, he's right that historically how people feel about, a, a president and how the president is handling the economy and, b, this wasn't looked at in here but we've seen it more broadly in several polls, and it is a trend in public polling and in private polling as well that i'm told about, is how people view the economy, right track, wrong track. that is the historic -- you remember james carville, paul begala, it's the economy, stupid. it all comes down to that. how do people feel about how the country is going, the economy is
going vis-a-vis their lives? that has been okay, but there have been warning signs in the last couple of polls. and that is really, really problematic if it continues that downward trend for this president because it takes a lot to fire a president. and this president has other characteristics that are problematic for suburban voters and others, and it was the economy -- it has been the economies that propped him up as much as he has been. >> recently he said, nia, that he doesn't -- you know, politics, he doesn't do everything for politics. but we know he looks at everything through a political lens, and he's got 2020, you know, right in his windshield right now. but 60% in that poll, they don't think the president deserves re-election. that's got to send shock waves through the white house, and it has to be concerning to him. >> yeah. i mean as a candidate, donald trump wasn't that popular. his saving grace was that hillary clinton also wasn't that popular.
i think his victory in 2016 proved that you can win the white house while not being that popular, and it could be that looking forward to 2020, there could be the same dynamic at play. dana there talks about how voters feel, and we see that the president really is, i think, trying to tap into and keep tapping into how voters, particularly white voters, feel about their place in america, right? we saw him in his rally yesterday essentially say he was the one standing between the folks in that audience and democrats who want to take away their way of life. now, certainly that appeals to white working-class voters, but to a certain extent, it also appeals to -- i think we've seen this in some of the data -- just regular republicans, right? his approval rating among republicans is quite high. we saw that tonight. sure, we do see some of that fraying among suburban voters, suburban white voters.
but this president also, i think, is betting that this sort of white identity politics is so powerful, he has a real emotional hold on voters across this country, white voters, who in some ways feel a sense of nostalgia for the way things used to be and a sort of fear about where this country is going. so i think, you know, we can't downplay how powerful that has been for this president and how he's going to continue to go to that well, right? it's why he's willing to literally raid the pentagon and take away funds from the military to build this wall. he wants to cut a campaign ad with him walking down that border wall and saying he delivered for these people who do have a certain level of unease about where the country is going. so, listen, i think this is a president, like most incumbent presidents, who is probably the favorite going into 2020. so with this result, listen, it was close, but so was 2016. >> right, yeah.
thank you all. i appreciate it. here we go. there was another night. there will be another one soon we'll be doing this. thank you. i appreciate it. we've got a lot more on our breaking news. cnn projects republican dan bishop eking out a win in north carolina, a hard fought special congressional election that really shouldn't have been this close. john kasich weighs in. john is next. at t-mobile, we can't give you unlimited summer, but we can give you unlimited talk, text and data for just $30 a line for 4 lines. and that comes on our newest signal. no signal reaches farther or is more reliable. so you can... share more sunsets. stream more videos. and stay connected with friends while you slide into fall. all for just $30/line. and for a limited time, you can get free smartphones too! come to t-mobile now and get new 4 lines of unlimited and 4 free phones for just 30 bucks a line! ♪ when didwhen i needed ton? jumpstart sales. build attendance for an event.
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we're back now with our breaking news. cnn's projecting that republican dan bishop narrowly wins tonight's special election in north carolina's 9th congressional district. this is a race that should have been a slam dunk for republicans, so what does tonight tell us about 2020? joining me now to discuss, john kasich, the former ohio governor. good evening, sir. so as i say, a win is a win. but what message should republicans take from this special election, tonight's special election? >> well, just it's a repeat of 2018, don. you know, obviously they have trouble with the suburbs. you know, that's a real problem. we saw it out here in ohio. i've watched it all over the country.
but, don, here's something that i haven't heard said tonight that i think we have to think about. this guy, dan mccready, who by the way i saw one of his little -- he was holding one of his kids' hands, a little boy. he was carrying a stuffed animal with his head down. this kid is probably not watching, but if he is, your daddy did good, so give him a big hug. don, here's the thing. mccready was not for like -- he was not for taking away people's health insurance and giving them some government program. he was not for some green new deal, some environmental extremism. he wasn't for saying we're going to have this big wealth tax. if he had run like that, he would have been pummeled. but he didn't. see, i think he was -- >> he was a moderate. >> a businessman, all those things -- yeah. that's who won in 2018. so when you look at the democrat primary now, you've got biden who is a moderate, who gets savaged just about every day. and you have elizabeth warren,
who is a proponent of very liberal ideas, and bernie sanders. those are the top three. now, if trump is running for re-election here and he's able to point to those things, say look how radical that is, look s? that's why the democrats had better be very careful. and for some reason, it seems like they just want to talk about all these ideas. and even though they say they want to win, it doesn't seem as though they're putting anything up there that the folks that they need in pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin -- they don't like a lot of that radical stuff. my dad was a democrat. if i had told my dad, hey, dad, they're going to take your private health insurance, but don't worry -- >> i don't know if i'd call it radical, though, john. >> it's out there. >> stand by. stand by. i want to continue this conversation. i want to take a break, and then we'll talk more on the other side. we'll be right back. >> okay. okay.
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here's our breaking news tonight. cnn's projecting that republican dan bishop narrowly wins tonight's special election in north carolina's ninth congressional district. i'm back with john kasich. we're talking about this, and we're talking about what does this mean for 2020. let me tell you why i said before the break what you said was radical. listen, i think it's human nature. it should be at least. it's what america is about to want to take care of people who are sick, that everyone is entitled to health care, that we should want to take care of the planet. i know the idea of how are you going to pay for it, that may seem radical. and i understand that some people have issues with it, but i'm not sure if it's -- you know, to call it radical. but having said that -- >> wait, wait, wait. >> hold on. let me finish my statement. >> okay. >> having said that, you have to
understand the point in time that we're in and that this is the right time to be pushing for some things that may seem -- that may seem radical to some people. go on. >> look, first of all, don, if i have health insurance through my employer and somebody comes along and says i'm going to take that away from you and give you government insurance, that's not covering -- i expanded medicaid. what are we talking about here? >> it depends how good the insurance is. if the government insurance is really good, then i'll take it. >> let me just tell you, in my opinion, most people are not going to say they like that because they don't trust what the government might do, okay? my point is if you're going to -- >> john, we don't know what the government might do unless you do it. you don't know what it's going to be. a government may be able to provide some great insurance. you don't know that. it may provide better insurance than i have through my employer already if everybody got onboard. i'm just saying. >> okay. but let me just tell you, if
mccready had run on that, he would have gotten smashed. that's what i'm telling you. >> i agree with you 100% on that part. i agree with you. that's why i said you have to be aware of the moment we're in. >> yeah. okay. let me say this. i believe that 2020 is a reset election. and biden is way out there. he's getting hammered every day, but he's leading right now because democrats say he's the most electable. i believe that 2020 is a reset election. get back to some normalcy. the big election for the direction of the country in my opinion comes in 2024, and i understand elizabeth warren and bernie are firing up the crowds. i see all that. i'm just trying to say to you that pennsylvania, michigan, can you flip north carolina, wisconsin, you got to be really careful about what your message is. and if your message makes people uncomfortable even though they don't like the president, they might say, well, you know what, i don't like any of them. and frankly it's what happened,
you know, with hillary and donald trump. so i'm just saying to you that they've got to be very careful. >> i agree with you. we don't disagree on that point. we don't disagree on that point. >> good. >> listen, there are a number of countries who provide health care for their citizens and it's really good health care. so i don't know if you can say that government health care is always worse than employee-provided health care. >> no. i'm trying -- don, look, i -- >> two different points but i got to go. >> okay. >> two different points, but i have to go. i agree with you on one of the points. stop it. see you later. we'll be right back. >> thank you. see you. i mean, if you haven't thought about switching to geico,
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breaking news tonight cnn projects republican dan bishop narrowly won the special election in north carolina ninth congressional district. this is the district the president won in 2016. so should the gop be worried? they should be celebrating they did win. congressman from pennsylvania. ana navarro a republican strategist. hello to both of you. charlie, start with you. bishop did pull it out. should republicans be relieved, worried, both? happy. >> yes, republicans should be relieved. worried. and should understand there was a serious under performance here by the republican candidate. for whatever reason. he's the bathroom bill guy.
the democrat was obviously a strong marine core small businessman. we have seen republican under performance in special election in the last cycle too. montana. kansas. south carolina. georgia. ohio. pennsylvania. we have seen this. by the way the economists i saw statistics suggest 32 republican held seats in the house that are less gop leaning than this one in north carolina. if i'm a republican i'm nervous. this is not a competitive seat. shouldn't have been playing ball here. this is lay up seat. had to spend millions to hold it by two points. >> at the rally last night it looked like trump country. it worked out for bishop. what's your take? >> i think trump is going to take credit for it. i think republicans are going to spin this as a big victory. and they should be happy and should be relieved because they a loss would have been a debacle. they will pretend to be happy and pretend it was a huge victory. the folks that read the polls that look at the fine print.
that go to the weeds of what happened in this election. are going to be very worried. because they see the warning signs. there's a reason why 15 republicans have announced they are retiring. there's a reason why donald trump is losing independents. lost so much support from independents. warning signs are everywhere. there in 2018, and there now. they're going to spin this as a big win. >> charlie, listen. you heard what anna said. you have to this is maybe for the 2020. suburban voters helped democrats retake the house. president clearly has to be paying attention to that. >> of course. republicans getting cleaned up and have been getting wiped out in suburban areas. in pennsylvania you were in the area for a long time. philadelphia.
the counties of philadelphia were a killing zone. for republicans in the last election. look what happened in dallas and houston. orange county, california. how much more evidence do we need there are problems with suburban voters particularly women and not just college educated but even white women without a college degree. the president's numbers are slipping there. this is significant under performance by any measure. and if you're donald trump and senator of north carolina you need to win that congressional district. north carolina nine. but a much more robust margin that was won tonight. if they hope to carry the state. i would be worried. >> trump will continue being trump. and fanning the flames of his base. and continue picking fights with brown people and black people and immigrants and demonizing others and making this about us and them. he thinks that works for him. he will continue using his same play book of division.
>> all right. i have to run. time is short. sorry about that. we had the breaking news. i appreciate it. voters where the key for democrats in 2018. what have we learned about them tonight? john king breaks it down. next. at t-mobile, get unlimited talk, text and data with our most powerful signal ever- all for just $30 bucks a line for 4 lines. and for a limited time, get free smartphones too! get 4 new lines of unlimited and 4 free phones for just 30 bucks a line! ♪
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