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we're not going to allow it to be used against americans anymore. >> costs will go up for wealthy individuals, but for hard-working families, costs will go down. >> we saw really for the first time, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders a bit on the defensive. >> i trust you to choose what makes the most sense for you. not my way or the highway. >> this is "new day," with alisyn camerota and john berman. all right. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." and we're on extra early because of everything that happened last night. >> it's not as early as it was. i want to make clear. >> no. listen, the good news is, we've had two dress rehearsals before this. so the top ten democratic candidates squared off on the same debate stage last night. many of them trading barbs with former vice president joe biden, the democratic front-runner coming out strong, holding his own. those are basically the reviews this morning. and he also invoked barack obama repeatedly. >> there was a moment that left
many in the audience gasping. you could hear it. former housing secretary julian castro directly questioned joe biden's memory in a discussion on health care. and some analysts and you'll hear from some this morning say that went too far. and when you look at the tape, it does seem to show that castro misrepresented what biden said. biden didn't seem to forget. all of that said this morning, at least one other major candidate is making the similar suggestion about biden, worried that he is, quote, fumbling. so has something shifted in the discussion about age this morning? or are some of the candidates saying the quiet part out loud. we'll speak with secretary castro in a few minutes. in addition four of the other democratic candidates who are on that stage last night, let's go straight to houston. in the meantime, cnn's athena jones is there with a look at what was a really interesting three-hour debate, athena. >> hi, john. it was. it's the first time the top ten democrats shared the stage, and there were some feisty moments in that three-hour event. the big topics showed just how
divided democrats still are on issues like health care. each candidate hoping to stand out from the crowded field. front-runner joe biden started thursday night's debate with a new strategy. >> i know that the senator says that she's for brotherernie. well, i'm for barrack. >> the former vice president took the two progressives head-on. >> my plan for health care costs a lot of money. it costs $740 billion. it doesn't cost $30 trillion. $3.4 trillion a year. how are we going to pay for it? >> how do we pay for it? we pay for it, thoese at the vey top, the richest individuals and the biggest corporations are going to pay more. and middle class families are going to pay less. >> every study done shows that medicare for all is the most cost effective approach to
providing health care to every man, woman, and child in this country. i, who wrote the damned bill, if i may say so. >> reporter: but biden not relenting. jumping on the opportunity to paint sanders as too left. >> for a socialist, you've got a lot more confidence in corporate america than i do. >> reporter: more moderate candidates like senator amy klobuchar joining in. >> and while bernie wrote the bill, i read the bill. it says that we will no longer have private insurance as we know it. and that means that 149 million americans will no longer be able to have their current insurance. >> medicare for all is comprehensive health care. it covers all basic needs. moving to medicare for all is a way to go. >> reporter: former housing secretary julian castro clashing with his fellow obama administration colleague. >> what you support, vice president biden, is that you require them to opt in, and i would not require them to opt in. they would automatically be enrolled.
they wouldn't have to buy in. that's a big difference, because barack obama's vision was not to leave 10 million people uncovered. he wanted every single person in this country covered. my plan would do that. your plan would not. >> they do not have to buy in. they do not have to buy in. >> you just said that two minutes ago. you just said two minutes ago that they would have to buy in. you said they would have to buy in. are you forgetting what you said two minutes ago? i'm fulfilling the legacy of barack obama and you're not. >> that'll be a surprise to him. >> reporter: after that heated exchange, the other democrats on stage quickly jumping in. >> this is why presidential debates are becoming unwatchable. this reminds everybody of what they cannot stand about washington. scoring points against each other, poking at each other, and telling each other that your plan, my plan -- >> yeah, that's called a democratic primary election. that's called an election. that's an election. you know? this is what we're here for! it's an election.
>> yeah, but a house divided cannot stand. and that is not how we're -- >> look, we know we're on the same team here. >> many candidates praising beto o'rourke's response to the el paso mass shooting. the former texas congressman laying out his plan that goes further than his rivals, vowing to confiscate weapons of war. >> hell, yes, we're going to take your ar-15, your ak-47, we're not going to allow it to be used against fellow americans anymore. >> reporter: senator kamala harris kept her attacks aimed at president trump. >> the bottom line is this. donald trump in office on trade policy, you know, he reminds of that guy in "the wizard of oz," you know, when you pull back the curtain, it's a really small dude. >> reporter: something senator cory booker said should be a focus for 2020. >> we've got one shot to make drrp a one-term president. and we cannot lose it by the way we talk about each other or demonize and degrade each other.
>> reporter: although, after the debate, senator booker seemed to be taking a shot at biden, telling cnn, a lot of people are concerned about biden fumbling and insisting that other candidates have legitimate concerns about the former vice president. this is something that booker didn't do on the debate stage sw, so the question now is will we see other candidates follow suit? allison? >> athena, thank you very much for all of that. joining us now to talk about it we have nia-malika henderson, david gregory, and paul begala, cnn political commentator. paul, what jumped out at you? you've seen a million debates. >> i thought a bad night for medicare for all. the first two debates, i thought both elizabeth and bernie really pushed that. but the majority of democrats don't want that. the majority of democrats want to expand and improve on obama, they want a medicare public option, perhaps, medicare to buy in, but not canceling private insurance. and for the first time, bernie and elizabeth were on their
heels about it. and joe took it to them. that was a really important moment for joe biden. because in the prior debates, i think he got the worst of it. and people who are worried, and they should be, can joe biden take on donald trump, he took on bernie and elizabeth at the same time and they're both ten times smarter than trump. so good night for joe. >> good night for joe. there are people looking at this saying, of the three debates, this was his strongest. >> i think, absolutely. because he knew what he wanted to do. he wanted to dissect medicare for all. and did you know that he used to work with barack obama? boy, he wanted that obama magic. >> i'm with barack. >> there's no question that to me nobody is going around talking about medicare for all or can you keep your insurance? not only when you were in the throws of the debate of the affordable car act for months and months and months that did people actually digest this. at this level, this was a debate about whether you want obama plus or a more progressive
vision. and i think i agree with paul. i mean, i think what biden was showing is, can he be steady? there's been some questions about his general steadiness. and can he take the fight? and basically say to those on the progressive lane, look, what they're selling you is unrealistic. it's just not what we should be doing and they're out of sync. people may think i'm too old, well, i think they're too liberal. and a lot of people are feeling that way. and he started to make that argument about it. >> and i think he in some ways, you know, i went into the debate saying that i think elizabeth warren is the best debate her on stage. she's won every other debate. and i actually thought last night, even though i think she talked second to biden in terms of her talk time, i think she sort of faded down the stretch a little bit. and i think it's probably because medicare for all is a problem for her. it's a problem for bernie sanders, but maybe less over bernie sanders. she doesn't really have a plan. she signed on with bernie. she couldn't really answer a lot of the questions about how to pay for it, what does it mean that all of those folks are
going to lose their private insurance. so, yeah, i don't know if eventually slooif she'll have t come out with a plan of her own, pull a kamala harris and modify it a little bit, if she's trying to be the big, bold progressive. so, yeah, she's got to work on that. but i definitely think biden got the better end of her last night. >> and this plan is a modification. she'd been in the senate five or six years before she ever supported. bernie, god bless him, he's been for this since the day he showed up in the house 35 years ago. senator warren was against medicare for all until 2017. and i was surprised biden didn't raise that. i think that's a legitimate question. people change and grow. but that's another modification. >> there's another thing, paul, there's way too much prose and not enough poetry here. so biden will be better on the poetry, which is, this is a fight for the soul of the country and this is how we're going to take the fight to donald trump and this is what this moment needs. i don't think he's at his best and he's not going to get better despite some terrific people
prepping him just constantly on defense, around policy, and trying to find his inner progressi voice. because he doesn't have one. he can try to build on obama, that's never going to be his strong suit. and he seems to me to just be trying to jam in facts and figures. because it's a policy debate and he's not doing enough of wha, ws the big picture here? i think what we're missing here and why there's zbdissatisfacti with the field, you're ultimately voting for the qualities of someone. how this person makes you feel. there are people who will vote on your medicare for all position, but they want to get a sense of leadership. and i don't think that's what we're drilling down on yet. >> i think people feel that with biden, at least the folks i talk to. i feel like they feel a real connection with him. >> because he's so well known. they feel it from before. >> but they feel it now. they have a great deal of affection for him. they feel like he would make a good president. at least the folks i'm talking to, in states in south carolina and throughout the south. >> we should mention to everyone that we are waiting for julian
castro to come up. as soon as he does, we'll pop that right up. that was one of the moments that got the most attention last night. so when he made a not-at-all i think thinly veiled attack or barb of joe biden about his age. so let's just watch that one more time. >> but the difference between what i support and what you support, vice president biden, is that you require them to opt in, and i would not require them to opt in. >> they do not have to buy in. they do not have to buy in. >> you just said that -- you just said that two minutes ago. you just said two minutes ago that they would have to buy in. are you forgetting what you said two minutes ago? [ crowd reacts ] are you forgetting already what you said just two minutes ago?! i mean, i can't believe that you said two minutes ago that they had to buy in and now you're saying that they don't have to buy in. you're forgetting that! >> what about that tactic that julian castro used? >> julian is an enormously accomplished person. he's really gifted. that was disgraceful.
it was way too low. you know, there's different standards. democrats don't want to replicate trump. we don't want to mock each other's hand size or insult a p.o.w. or a journalist's physical disabilities, okay? that's a trump brand. democrats don't like donald trump, julian. and i thought that was so underneath him. and i think he'll one day, he'll regret it. >> oh, he'll regret it sooner rather than later. >> we'll see sflp it's tough being that far on the outside. i thought he's had a pretty good campaign on substance. >> he may have won the first debate. he did very well in the first debate. >> he's still on the -- he's on the outside looking in. and he's trying to find a way in and that was an unfortunate way to try to get attention. >> one of the things that -- i don't think we have analyzed enough is biden's response to that. so far, when biden has been on the receiving end of an attack, i think that he has sort of taken it on the chin. he has -- he has just stood there and maybe made a facial expression, but he hasn't escalated. he hasn't fought back with a nasty comment. and what do we think about his response?
>> i thought his response was spot-on, right? he defended himself, he basically corrected castro. and there was another exchange they had, you know, where castro essentially said, i'm the one who's carrying obama's mantle, and biden said, that would be a surprise to barack obama. >> that was like george w., which i appreciated it. >> i thought it was really quick. >> i don't think that's what he would say. >> he was quick on his feet. we've seen a biden who wasn't really prepared for any of these attacks. and i thought he was good in terms of being prepared. >> and biden didn't get angry. he flashed that huge joe grin, which means, i hate you. >> so castro did it, you could hear the groans in the crowd. that was audible right there. >> in his home state. >> right, where's he from? >> you know what was interesting, after the debate, cory booker, who has portrayed himself as sunny and the happy warrior, who chose on the debate
stage not to say anything about biden's age at all, afterwards, in an interview with cnn, seemed to go all in. so listen. >> i think that we are at a tough point right now, because there's a lot of people who are concerned about joe biden's ability to carry the ball all the way across the end line without fumbling. and i think that castro has some really legitimate concerns about can he be someone in a long, grueling campaign that can get the ball over the line? and he has every right to call that out. >> that's off brand for senator booker. he was, i thought, terrific in the debate. the conscience and the wit of the debate. and it's hard to be both. i thought he had a great night and i think hep squandered a lot of it. >> but why aren't you allowed to say that? since people are talking about that with joe biden, why that ver boboten for the candidates bring up? >> i don't think it is, but if your brand is all about love and bringing people together and appealing to our better angels,
obamaesque, to go and say, we can't be demeaning people and talking about folks in degrading ways as democrats if the goal is to beat trump, then to go after the debate and essentially say, this guy is really old, and he's not going to get us across the finish line, i just think, it's, as you said, it was off-brand. off-putting, i think, for cory to do it. >> i think it's perfectly fine. i think it's part of a debate that everybody's having. i don't think that it's verboten, and i think, you know, maybe it will turn off some voters. we'll find out when people start voting. but i think it's, you know, these are candidates who are punching way above them, because they're so far behind and they're trying to bring up the generational argument. and you're talking, again, joe biden has a lot of name recognition, he's got a lot -- he's the front-runner of the party. you would expect people to say, right, but do we want a guy who's so old? who can't get past the end line. by the way, what is the end line? >> it's mixing soccer and football. cory booker did play college football, so i think --
>> he didn't get in the end line much, either. >> and i did not. that's what you were suggesting! but you did not. >> you're saying two minutes ago, you forgot that you didn't play football. >> cory barely played college football, too. >> didn't he catch a pass? >> i think he made one touchdown. >> that's one more than david gregory. >> i played a lot of football, including tv 12. >> julian castro, the former secretary of housing and urban development, who was a big part of that debate last night, she joins us next.
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he was in the middle of what is certainly the most talked about moment in last night's democratic debate. former housing secretary, julian castro, questioning the memory of former vice president joe biden. and joining me now is former secretary julian castro. mr. secretary, thank you so much for being with us. good morning. >> good morning. good to be with you. >> so, paul begala, political adviser from your home state of texas just called that moment disgraceful. we heard from an iowa voter earlier this morning who was watching who said he wished you had laid off the personal attacks. you have had a night to reflect on this. how would you do it differently? >> i wouldn't do it differently. that was not a personal attack. this was about a disagreement over what the vice president said regarding health care policy. i'm glad, actually, that a lot of journalists overnight did the work of actually looking at the
transcript. the vice president had said that he -- he didn't say the words "buy in" when he talked about his health care plan. he had, in fact said those words, but then he denied saying them. and i pointed out that he had just said that. and now he was denying it. this is important, because it's not about personalities, it's about the fact that his plan would require you to buy in at certain times, which means -- >> at certain times. >> -- that 10 million people would be left uncovered. so i pointed out that my approach would cover everybody, whereas his approach would leave 10 million people uncovered. so, no, i pointed out this big difference in our approach and no, americans need to know that. they need to know -- >> i do want to ask you -- i do want to ask you about the differences in the plans and exactly what you were speaking about and exactly what joe biden said about his plan in just a moment, but back to what you said, because you said it wasn't personal. not once, not twice, but three
times, you asked him, are you forgetting what you said two minutes ago? are you forget lting already, y said, and then you said, "you are forgetting that." why did you keep saying that? >> number one, he couldn't hear me in the auditorium. if you look at what happened, the video. secondly, look, that's a question that i would ask any opponent on stage, if i'm asking them in a debate. because he had just denied what he said two minutes before. so i was asking him, are you forgetting what you said two minutes ago, because you just said it. and in fact, when you look at the transcript of the video, that's what he said. >> are you asking us to believe believe -- are you asking us to believe this morning that you weren't questioning joe biden's memory? >> oh, i was questioning why he was saying that he hadn't said the words "buy in," which is significant to health care
policy, when he had just said that two minutes ago. >> are you questioning his memory? are you questioning his memories -- do you have questions about joe biden's memory. >> i was questioning -- look, this is the game that the media like to play. >> it isn't a game. mr. secretary, mr. secretary, just to be clear -- >> no, no, no. >> you said this three times and you are a very skillful politician who chooses your words very, very carefully. >> -- because he had said the words "buy in." because he had said the words "buy in" two minutes before and he denied saying it, of course, i asked him, look, you know, did you forget that you said "buy n in." this is important, because it means the difference between covering 10 million people in this country and let's not covering 10 million people. >> let's talk about the policy and then we'll come back to the memory issue. just so people know what you're talking about. joe biden said two things about his health care plan that get to this issue you're talking about. let's play one of them. the first is s-23.
play that. >> anyone who can't afford it gets automatical lally enrolled the medicare-type option we have. >> all right. he said that. which automatically enrolls, there are people, under the joe biden plan, who will be automatically enrolled in medicare for all when they sign up for things like s.n.a.p. and other federal assistance, especially if they're in states not covered by medicaid expansion. so there will be people, as you just said, some will be automatically enrolled. then there are others who will have to buy in. listen to what he said there. >> if you want medicare, if you lose the job from your insurance -- from your employer, you automatically can buy into this. >> so he does say that some people will be able to buy in with subsidies. politifact says your statements about biden, the statement has an element of truth, they say of you, but ignores critical facts that will give a different impression, so we rate it as
mostly false. your response? >> yeah, actually, the last time they did a fact check about whether his plan would leave 10 million people uncovered, they said that it would leave millions of people uncovered. and so what his plan does is it requires somebody, it requires certain people to buy into health insurance. what i pointed out last night was that my approach would not require an opt in or a buy-in. that's a big difference, it leaves 10 million people uncovered in his plan. that's what i pointed out last night. and that's not a difference of personalities that's an excellent difference in important health care policy that's going to affect millions of american families. and we're up there to debate. and so i'm going to continue to point out the differences. if we're not there to point out the differences to the american people about our policy, not our personalities, but our policy, then why are we there? so, you know, i'm glad that we had the opportunity to have that
exchange, because people need to know under his approach, 10 million people would be uncovered and under my approach, everyone would be covered. that's a big difference. >> there are those who will say, then have the discussion about the differences in the two plans. have that discussion is what some people looking at that this morning will say. and i just ask you, again, to be clear, because you said it three times, are you forgetting? and i think you do choose your words carefully. do you feel as if questioning the memory of the former vice president is fair game? do you think that's important in this election right now? >> i think that whether that was the vice president or that was one of the other candidates on stage, if somebody said that to me, obviously, you read what he said or played what he said. if somebody said to me in that moment that people would have to
buy into their plan and then two minutes later, they denied it, i don't care who you are on that debate stage, i'm going to ask you why you're frergting that you said two minutes ago that people would have to buy in. and now you're explicitly denying that. the vice president is -- you know, he's been around for a long time, okay? when we're up there, we're up there to debate. and i'm going to make the point. and it so didn't matter that it was joe biden. if it had been a another candidate that tried to deny what they just said two minutes ago, i would have asked them the same thing. and you know, i'm going to continue to point out the differences in our health care policy, in our economic policy, our immigration policy. that's why we're there. that's what the american people want. >> mr. secretary, julian castro, we appreciate you coming on this morning. thank you very much. three debates down, more to go, sir. thank you. >> thank you. so, that was one of the candidates who made a splash last night. >> indeed. >> beto o'rourke did also. he says he wants to take away,
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hell, yes, we're going to take your ar-15, your ak-47, we're not going to allow it to be used against a fellow americans anymore. >> former congressman beto o'rourke going further than any other candidate last night when it comes to gun violence, saying if he is elected president, he would issue a mandatory buyback of the type of guns used by the military on battlefields. as you can imagine, the reaction
from some conservative corners was swift. and beto o'rourke joins us now. good morning. >> good morning. >> okay, so, that was a moment that got a lot of attention last night. it's getting a lot of attention this morning. and i'm just wondering this morning if you have any concern that by saying that so openly, so unapologetically, that you have somehow given president trump a campaign add to say, see, democrats want to confiscate your guns. >> no, allison, i'm far more worried about the 40,000 americans who are killed every year through gun violence. worried about the victims of those mass shootings, the parents who have lost a child, the mother i met who lost a 15-year-old daughter, who bled to death in front of her very eyes. i'm worried about that. and i'm worried that we won't take action, because we've been compromised by the politics and the polling and the worries about what the candidate is
going to do if we say the right thing, the true thing, the necessary thing. so i'm going to say the necessary thing, which is, background checks are important. red flaw laws, essential. we should stop selling weapons of war. but if we leave 10 million of them out there, they will become the instruments of terror that we've seen in el paso, in midland odessa, in sutherland springs, and those are just three mass shootings across our country. and i'm confident that the popular will is there, not just among democrats, but republicans and gun owner as well as independents, democrats, and non-gun owners alike. so we've just got to move now. we've got to move. >> let's look at where the polling is. it's interesting, particularly on this issue, it's exactly divided. the latest marist/npr poll, should congress create a mandatory buyback program of assault guns, 45% of the country says yes, 46% of respondents say "no." so i hear you, you're not
invested in the polling, what you're saying, you're not worried about what the right will say. however, if you don't win the general election, you don't even get to make that policy. is it a concern that it's not a winning position for the general? >> it's not a concern of mine. and that's in part informed by listening to people in conservative parts of america and the southwestern part of virginia, where not only does no democratic presidential contender go to, but i don't think they've had a candidate for the presidency visit bland county before. the folks in bland county, as conservative as it might be, as proud a gun owner as they might be, they're talking about this issue. and folks are saying, look, i would give up that ar-15 or that ak-47. i do not need it to hunt or defend myself in my home. they recognize this is a weapon designed for war, to kill people as effectively, as efficiently, in as great a number of as
possible. and it has no place in our communities. listening to er doctors who are treating these wounds and saying, this is what i saw in iraq or afghanistan and never thought i would see it in midland or el paso or odessa. if we accept it, we're complicit in it. and refuse to accept it. and i believe at the end of the day, allison, the majority of americans refuse to accept this. >> here's one that doesn't, the state rep from texas, briscoe kaine tweeted at you right after the debate, saying, my ar is ready for you, robert francis, there using your first and middle names. how did you hear that tweet? >> you know, i think twitter took it down, because you have somebody with a weapon of war threatening to use it against somebody who's talking about gun violence in this country. that's exactly why briscoe kaine should not have an ar-15. i remember another moment not too unlike this one. we were finishing a march for our lives organized by these wonderful high school students in el paso. i had my 8-year-old henry riding
on my shoulders. and as we come into san jacinto plaza, there are two guys, both with ar-15s waiting for us at the end of the march. and dad said, what's up with this? i thought we were marching against this. and i said, don't pay him any mind or give them any attention, but they were there to intimidate and make a point and really to threaten political violence, which is exactly what this state rep is doing right now. the moment that we accept that is the moment that we lose this country. that we can non-violently and peacefully resolve our differences. come to different conclusions on different issues, but at the end of the day, move forward as americans. that's been the genius of this country for as long as we've been a country. we cannot lose that now. so for twitter taking that down, i think that makes sense. for folks who called that out, that makes sense, as well. we cannot accept that. >> you obviously called it out, saying, this is a death threat, representative, that's what you tweeted back. are you going to contact the fbi? >> i believe that someone on the campaign did contacted the fbi and contacted twitter. i mean, anytime you have
somebody to use violence against somebody in this country to resolve a political issue or really for any reason, that's a matter for law enforcement. but it really drives home the point, better than i could have made. representative briscoe kaine is making the case that no one should have an ar-15. that they can hold over someone else in this country, say, look, if we disagree on something, let me introduce you to my ar-15. absolutely wrong. >> congressman, one more moment that's getting a lot of attention this morning is what happened when julian castro went after joe biden, it seemed, three times for what sounded like a not-at-all veiled barb about his age and memory. was that fair game to you? >> you know, i wasn't really excited about that. and in fact and my opening in the debate last night, i talked about how this threat that we have of donald trump, that the racism and violence that he has welcomed out into the open, that he directed essentially to my hometown of el paso, texas,
which killed 22 of the members of our community, that the pettiness, the name calling, the small ball politics, and that was an example of that last night. that's not going to be up to this threat. that will not defeat donald trump. that won't bring this deeply divided country back together again. so, look, if you've got a policy difference with joe biden, by all means, let's air it at the debate, but that kind of personal attack, i don't think, is what we need right now and is insufficient to the challenges that we face. >> congressman beto o'rourke, thanks so much for being up extra early to be on "new day." we really appreciate it. >> thank you, allison. appreciate it. >> see you again, john? this morning, as the vaping epidemic grows, so, too, is the movement to ban flavored e-cigarettes. we'll speak with the governor of the first state to take action. that's next. lactaid is 100% real milk, just without the lactose.
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all right. we have new developments this morning, what truly is a vaping epidemic in this country. the number of teenagers who are vaping has skyrocketed over the past few years. last week, michigan became the first state to ban the sale of most flavored e-cigarettes. and now the trump administration is following suit. joining us this morning is the governor of michigan, gretchen whitner. governor, thank you very much for being with us. first, your reaction from the administration that the federal government is going to step in and ban the sale of most flavored e-cigarettes? >> right. well, we were pleasantly surprised, to be honest, when we took the step first last week. we didn't know what the reaction would be. i just knew that it was the right thing. the statistics are compelling. when 81% of teenagers who get on to an e-product start with a flavored vape, it tells you that there is something going on that we need to be very mindful of. and when you see the results of
kids showing up in ers because they're inhaling this addictive substance in nicotine, but all the other chemicals that are part of it, it is scary stuff. and so our chief medical officer said, we've got a public health crisis. i took executive action and i was very pleased to see both governor cuomo in new york start the process there. and the white house just this week acknowledged that they're going to, as well. >> let's put up the statistics here so people can see exactly what you're talking about. in 2017, 11.7% of high school students said they had tried e-cigarettes. in 2019, it's 27.5%. that is explosive growth. i've never seen growth like this for any product. it's a little bit of a separate issue than some of the vaping-related illnesses you're talking about right now, which some of the early research suggests could be some of the additives being used by people using cannabis. that's what people are saying. nevertheless, there are great concerns about teens using this. what will the penalty be in your state to people who continue to sell flavored e-cigarettes? >> well, real quick, you know,
these are targets that are targeting our children. they are selling this as something that is a healthy activity. they are addicting them with nicotine and they are selling it with marketing with froot loops and cotton candy and bubble gum flavors. this is targeted at our children. it's sold next to candy in a lot of stores. so because of all of this misinformation and an industry that is inherently, you know, has very little credibility, we need to take action. so in our state, the full ban goes into effect within the next 30 days. and they've got to come off the shelf. and if not, there will be penalties and we will be enfo e enforcing it. >> the industry, what they say, is adults use the flavored e-cigarettes. they don't want kids using them, they don't give you a way to stop you from using them, but what they're saying is you're removing these products from the adults who are using them because the fruit flavors are the most popular. so why shouldn't adults be able
to use the fruit-flavored produ products? >> listen, they are marketing to our kids. they're marketing them to look like usbs and telling kids, your parents won't know. that's a part of their marketing. they're using minions from "despicable me," the movie, to sell e-cigs. adults can use a traditional flavored vape under the law in michigan and if the white house proceeds with theirs as well. that's a tool for people trying to get off the traditional cigarettes. but the fact of the matter is, these flavored vapes are targeted at our children. and kids' brains are not fully developed until they're well into their 20s. so they're going to pay a lifetime for this addiction that's been created by an industry that wants to make money off of targeting and exploiting our kids. >> michigan governor gretchen whitmer, thank you for being with us this morning and having this discussion. this is a story we care about deeply here, so please come back and talk with us again real soon. >> i look forward to it.
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have a responsibility and obligation to stand up for the safety of our employees, customers and all americans in the communities we serve doing nothing about america's gun violence crisis is simply unacceptable and it is time to stand with the american public on gun safety. one of the people on that letter is keith, the president and ceo of amalgamated bank. >> thanks for having me. >> why did you decide to write this letter to the senate? >> our customers and employees, everyone in this country is calling out for action. there are simple things we can do. pass background checks and red flag laws. the senate can take action today. the house has already done it. our customers and employees are clamoring for action. time for ceos to stand up and be part of the solution and add their voice to this debate. >> doesn't sound like it was a difficult decision. >> really easy decision. our customers are clamoring for it. they want us to take action and do something. one of the easiest decisions i've ever made.
>> who came to you? how did this come to pass? >> the folks at every town for gun safety organized this and helped out by levi strauss. a lot of companies have stood up and said ceos have a voice in this debate. asked us to sign on and we agreed to add our voice. >> there are some notable omissions in terms of big ceos, well-known brands that did not sign on. apple, facebook, google, jpmorgan, wells fargo. why wouldn't they, do you think? >> i can't really speak as to why other companies didn't. but our customers think this is an important issue. we need to take action in this country. i know there's things we can do today that the house has already taken action on that the senate can take action on. it's time to stand up for things. if some companies don't want to sign on to the letter, that's their decision but our company was proud to be part of the debate. >> sdwhat it tell you that it's business leaders taking this mantel, that ceos are doing this, clamoring for this and
publicly taking this stance when the senate, primarily the republicans in the senate, won't do anything. >> it's a sad commentary on where the state of government is that we are so tied up in completely incapable of taking action on some of the most important issues of the day. we have a public health crisis, a gun crisis in this country. we look crazy compared to everybody else in the world and we can't do something about it? it's a real commentary on government. and anybody who has a bully pulpit and a voice should stand up and say it's time to take action. >> school shootings and mass shootings have been going on for a woefully long time in this country. columbine was a long time ago. why this week? what happened this week that made you want to send this letter? >> i'm the father of three kids. my wife is a public schoolteacher. they have gun safety drills in school every day. that should be enough to get us to take action. when a man can walk down the street of dayton, ohio, and kill 9 people in 29 seconds we can't be silent anymore. we need to stand up and say it's
time to act now. >> are we at a tipping point? we've been here before in terms of after newtown. obviously, something will change. you can't have kindergartners slaughtered in their classroom but nothing did happen. does it feel different today? >> it does feel different. maybe because things happened so close together. but last night in the debate, the issue was front and center. ceos standing -- 150 ceos signing on to a letter is something we've never seen. 90%-plus people clamoring for background checks. maybe we have a moment we can do something and change what happens on this issue in this country. >> have you heard back from senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. >> we haven't yet. it's time for mitch to act. >> do you expect to hear back from him? >> i don't think mitch will call him myself but i hope the senate democrats can bolster up some action. a few brave republicans can stand up and do the right thing and we can get action on this issue. >> keith, thank you very much
for coming in and explaining all of it to us. we'll see what happens and if you ever get that response. >> i appreciate it. thank you. thanks to our international viewers for watching. for you "newsroom" with max foster is coming up. for the rest of you, "new day" continues now. >> americans don't want to pay twice as much as other countries. what people want is cost-effective health care. >> there will be a deductible in your paycheck. that's not a bad idea if you like it. i don't like it. >> julio castro, all the voters watching have a -- >> this was a disagreement about health care policy. >> previous debate she tore into him. this time she tore into trump. >> he reminds me of the guy in the wizard of oz. you pull back the curtain, it's a really small dude. >> democrats on the stage are not as great as the urgency for us to unite as a party. >> this is "new day" with alisyn
camerota and john berman. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." it's friday, september 13th. 8:00 here in new york. it's been a special extended dance mix version of "new day." >> for sure. i consider september 13th lucky. it's been a lucky day. >> we're now hitting our groove. >> julian castro, the former housing secretary, minutes ago defended his attacks on joe biden's age and memory. he was right here on "new day." remember what he said last night? >> the difference between what i support and what you support, vice president biden is that you require them to opt in. and i would not require them to opt in. >> they do not have to buy in. they do not have to buy in. >> you just said that two minutes ago. you just said two minutes ago that they'd have to buy in. are you forgetting what you said two minutes snoog are you forgetting what you said just two minutes ago? i mean, i can't believe that you
said two minutes ago that they had to buy in and now you're saying they don't have to buy in. you're forgetting that. >> i asked secretary castro about that moment. whether he had any regrets or would do it differently. he said, no. not only did he say no, he may have gone even further. listen. >> i wouldn't do it differently. that was not a personal attack. the vice president is, you know, i mean, he's been around for a long time, okay? when we're up there, we're up there to debate. >> hmm. all right. we'll also get analysis on what that means because the top ten democratic candidates squared off on the same debate stage last night. many traded barbs with primarily the former vice president. biden this morning, the reviews are he came out strong. he held his own and invoked barack obama's name repeatedly. >> repeatedly may be an understatement. joining us, bianna golodryga, david axelrod, host of "the ax