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people, down in washington right now. so, you know, sympathetically, i kind of -- inclined towards kennedy's side here not for generational reasons, jut to give somebody else a chance. it's more, i think turnover is not a bad thing in congress. >> thank you for joining us. appreciate it. that's it for me. "newsroom" starts right now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hello, i'm erica hill in for brooke baldwin. breaking developments involving a controversial whistle-blower complaint. the one involving the president himself. cnn learning both the white house and the department of justice were actively involved in withholding that complaint from congressional intelligence committee. according to multiple sources. the director of national intelligence you remember hasn't shared that complaint with congress as is required by federal law. the "washington post" reporting the whistle-blower filing
involves a "promise from president trump to a foreign leader." a whistle-blower, credible and urgent action by the inspector general in a closed door meeting today with house intel. in that meeting refused to give details. that has many people thinking, why not? he said because he's not authorized to do so. just moments ago the chair of the intel committee in the house adam schiff talking how the justice department was involved in keeping this whistle-blower complaint from lawmakers. >> we do know that the department of justice has been involved in the decision to withhold that information from congress. we do not know, because we cannot get an answer to the question about whether the white house is also involved in preventing this information from coming to congress. we do not have the complaint. we do not know whether the press reports are accurate or
inaccurate about the contents of that complaint. >> cnn sarah westwood is at the white house. what more do we know about the involvement of the white house and the justice department here? >> reporter: well, erica, cnn is learning that the white house did intervene in the handling of this complaint. the white house and the justice department according to sources who spoke with our colleagues told odni they believe this complaint falls outside of the kind of intel activities that are protected by whistle-blower laws for the intelligence community. the white house counsel's office, the doj's office of legal counsel discussed this with odni and the top intel agency has said there could be an issue of privilege involved here. the intelligence community inspector general fotold lawmaks behind closed doors earlier today he was not authorized to discuss any details about the complaint. not the nature of what president trump may or may not have said not even whether president trump himself is involved as has been
reported. as we just heard, house intel chairman adam schiff did not know whether the white house was involved or what pressure was put on acting intelligence director joseph maguire. we are hearing contradictions between the trump appointees. one hand, inspector general, a trump appointee saying it was a credible and urgent complaint from a whistle-blower. then the acting intelligence director joseph maguire saying in his eye it does not meet the definition of an urgent concern. now president trump earlier today denies he said anything inappropriate on any calls with foreign leaders but, of course, this episode, erica, could simply deepen the president's skepticism of the intelligence committee. he's had a strange relationship with intel agencies since the start of his presidency. >> that is putting it mildly. sarah westwood at the white house this hour. thank you. with those breaking details, as we just heard, that closed door
house intel meeting with the inspector general and intelligence committee wrapping up a short time ago. get straight to our reporter on capitol hill and chairman schiff talked about his frustration about not getting details of this whistle-blower complaint from the i.g., michael atkinson. why wasn't he able to talk more about it with lawmakers in that closed door session? >> reporter: yes. the key question and certainly as you said the source of a lot of the chairman of that committee adam schiff's frustration when he emerged from that four-hour closed session this morning. schiff said in the meeting the i.g. made the argument this is essentially down to jurisdiction and did not have authority to speak to exactly what this is all about and those details, of course, what lawmakers streaming in to the meeting today said they wanted to hear. schiff today says that department of justice had been involved in the decision to withhold the information from congress, and at the time said they could not get an answer
from the white house, as you heard sarah say, though, previously, we now know according to our cnn reporting that the white house has been involved in this as well. here's adam schiff's reading an excerpt from the letter today from the inspector general. >> mr. atkinson wrote, i set forth the reasons for my concluding that the subject matter involved in the complainant's disclosure not only falls with the dni's jurisdiction but the most important of the dni's responsibilities to the american people. this is what's being withheld from congress right now. >> reporter: and schiff went on to say this decision to withhold this information from congress is an unprecedented departure from the law. he says that it shows someone is trying to manipulates situation under wraps and away from congress and he says they are talking to house general counsel
toll potentially pursue legal avenues if this complaint's detailing are not turned over to congress. this tees up a huge public hearing next week with the acting dni maguire in front of the committee. erica? >> we'll be watching. given it's a week away, anything can happen between now and then as we know. sunlen serfaty, appreciate it. the president is calling this including a promise made to foreign leader fake news and is aware whenever he speaks to foreign leaders multiple people are listening in. adding, knowing this is anybody dumb enough to believe i would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while on such a heavily populated call? i would only do what is right anyway and only do good for the usa. analyst jim baker served as counsel of the fbi. go to have you with us. as we look at this one thing that stands out to me is the process. the nuts and bolts. we know what the federal law is.
i.g. gets a complaint, deems it credible, urgent, the dni is supposed to then give it to congress. we learn now the white house and justice department stepped in here and advised that is not what should happen. can they override federal law in that manner? >> well, they can't override federal law, but what i think probably happened is that the acting director of national intelligence went to either his general counsel or/or department of justice and said what is the law here? help me understand what i'm supposed to do, and the justice department and general counsel presumably gave an answer. they gave him an answer that gives them, gives him the assessment, their assessment of the law. so, look, under the constitution and laws of the united states, it is possible that the i.g. cannot report this particular information. that's possible. it sort of depends what it is. depends on the facts and
circumstances, we don't know that yet, but once the acting director of national intelligence's problem is that once he or somebody in his department went to the department of justice, once they tell you what the law is, you have to follow it. you're stuck. that's, i think where he is and where the inspector general is now. they don't have much reasonable recourse at this point in time. >> so they may not have much recourse. one of the things that stood out to me if he goes, i need to know the law. the law says give it to congress but we're telling you you shouldn't do that. is this just another attempt at, are we going to see something tied up once again in the courts? >> i don't know if it ends up in the courts. from congress' perspective probably the worst place to end up. they need to fig are hure how t their own authorities under article one of the constitution and can't figure that out yet. that's a separate thing. once the justice department says
their view of the law, the dni and everybody else in the executive branch has to fall in line. honestly, what they're left with at that point is simply to resign. if they think this is that big of a deal -- look, we don't know the facts. it's serious given what people say about it but don't know really what happened. if this think this is a significant matter resign. what they're left with. >> how unusual for the justice department, even the a.g., this is the case, to be involved in something like this? >> the intelligence community, you know, when i was at the fbi, we won't to olc and other elements of the department of justice on a pretty consistent basis, because if you have a touch question or question where there's a lot of risk involved and want to get another opinion you want to get a definitive opinion from the department of justice you go to olc. over the years i had a great relationship with olc in the various jobs i had and would seek their counsel as often as i could and thought made sense. so they should be trying to give
people in the executive branch their understanding of the best reading of the law to guide them with respect to what they're doing. the reality is, though, once they say what the law is, you've got to follow that interpretation. >> just looking at all this. step back a minute. is there anything in particular based on what we know at 2:10 eastern time on thursday that really concerns you? >> yes. changes quite a bit. what concerns me the most is the long-term implications of this. i think chairman schiff made a comment about that earlier. this will impact the long-term relationship between the president and the intelligence community, because if he thinks somebody, whoever got this information, is sort of ratting him out to the inspector general, then he's going to be more circumspect in what he says to the intelligence community. they may be more circumspect with respect to what they say to him, not good for him, the intelligence committee, the
american people and not good for the american people to lack a trust in what is going on here? right? the american people need to have confidence in what their elected and appointed officials are doing. this does not look good. other thing, real quick. this will come out eventually. right? reporters are all over this thing right now and somebody knows enough to be able to explain what it is and so it's just going to come out in a messy way and so this is just not going -- just not going to end well, in my opinion, i'm afraid. >> jim baker, appreciate it. raises questions what this means for whistle-blower protections. we'll tackle that just ahead. meantime, at any moment canadian prime minister justin trudeau set to speak live after pictures of him in black and brownface surfaced just before canada's elections. also speaker pelosi versus chairman nadler. democrats going head-to-head after an explosive hearing with former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski.
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was deemed by the intelligence committee's inspector general. we don't know what the complaint is about pap source tells cnn it involves communication between president trump and a foreign leader. the "washington post" reporting the exchange also included a "promise from the president." a short time ago i spoke with a freshman congressman and a democrat from pennsylvania for her take on the brewing showdown in washington over access to the whistle-blower's words. >> congresswoman, our new reporting from cnn is both the white house and the justice department actually advised the office of the director of national intelligence when it came to this whistle-blower complaint essentially saying it was outside the jurisdiction of the office. i'm curious to your reaction. >> so this is another in a long line of frustrations on the part of people here in congress to exercise the duty were she constitutionally for oversight and no one certainly is above the law.
when a whistle-blower takes the actions taken it's the responsibility and duty of congress to have the ability and authority to ask questions and get to the truth. >> are you confident you will get the answers on what specifically is in this complaint? >> i have become increasingly less and less dmft our ability to get to the bottom of a lot of things's i serve on the foreign affairs committee and today had the opportunity to speak with special representative about his work in afghanistan but that was only after a thread of subpoenas and only behind closed doors. this is not the kind of transparent government we should be having. we need all three branches of government working together. >> to that point, you serve on foreign affair, in the five weeks leading up to when this complaint was filed on august 12th, the president was in contact at some form or another with the following leaders, vladimir putin, kim jong-un, prime ministers of pakistan and netherlands and emir of qatar. do any of those foreign leaders
give you pause? >> i'm not certain the whistle-blower complaint necessarily has to do with that period of time. maybe you have more information than i do, but, of course, any number of elected leaders that you've named might be of concern for various different reasons that have seen already. >> the "washington post" reporting this communication between the president and a foreign leader involved some 10r9 sort of a promise. when you heard that, what was your initial reaction? >> the word that sort of pinged on me as well. when talking to my team about it, the idea it was a conversation with a promise set off alarm bells trying to understand what somebody would have thought was worthy of a whistle blow to be able to elevate that to the intelligence committee as an example is something we should all try to get to the bottom of. >> hopefully soon. other topics. you were not on this committee
and involved with the corey lewandowski hearing. tough to see a message from the caucus when it comes to impeachment or holding lewandowski in contempt. is it hurting democrats across the board? more is on the agenda than just those things and yet they're sucking up a lot of oxygen and confusion? >> so i believe that we started the conversation, that it is our responsibility and many of these committees and jurisdiction for oversight to get to the bottom and issues such as mr. lewandowski's testimony. also important is to continue to talk about all the other work we're doing in the other committees. we have passed more than 400 bills thus far in my eight months in congress only 50 made it to the president's deck for signature or considered in the senate. i need to make sure we're pushing forward on all responsibilities of the congress not just oversight responsibility and educating the public this is a very active and
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no to prop c. may not be ober for corey lewandowski. two days after president trump's former campaign member stonewalled the committee, lawmakers are working on the initial steps to possibly hold lewandowski in contempt. we should point out that process, though, could take some time. earlier today house speaker nancy pelosi was pressed about her reaction to the lewandowski hearing. >> we are legislating, investigating and litigating, and i trust the work of the committees as they forward to do that. >> what is that investigation, though? it was full of -- very partisan. >> listen. i answered. i trust the committee and the path they are on. >> cnn contributor watergate
veteran john dean joining us with more. listening to that, nancy pelosi clearly saying she trusts the committee and the panel they're on. do you see a path there? what is the path? >> well i think what they're trying to do is develop evidence to see if there, indeed, lie witnesses that will support what's in the special counsel's report, showing potentially impeachable offenses. i think they're going within the bounds of the special counsel's report right now, but they've indicated they're going outside of it. they're on an impeachment inquir inquiry. no question. >> no question on that path. when it comes to corey lewandowski in contempt. so much talk during that hearing, and even the moments after, right? about possibly holding lewandowski in contempt. it is a much more involved process, i think, than many of us had realized and actually involves separate participation from corey lewandowski himself. can you walk us through what this would entail?
>> yeah. i used to be counsel of that committee. so i'm very familiar with these procedures. and the house has never really set up a very streamlined system for contempt. either when somebody denies a subpoena, ignores a subpoena, doesn't produce evidence, or, indeed is disrespectful, as lewandowski was during his hearing. what happens is, they have to have a ruling of the committee first that the witness is in n contem contempt. then take that to the house of representatives and the full house votes on it. it either goes to a civil or criminal action's if they refer to a criminal action, because he works for the president, in this instance mr. trump. he's not going to do anything as all, he'll sit on it and expires when that session of congress
expires. it's not a very fruitful route generally. the civil cases can be very protracted as well. >> should nadler have acted by this point? >> sorry, i missed that. >> should jerry nadler have acted by this point, do you think? >> yes. well, as the speaker said, yesterday, she said she would have called him in contempt right on the spot. i think she was speaking figuratively, that the chairman indeed, he in essence did that. he said that he would take it under immediate consideration when one of the members said the witness was acting in contempt. i don't think lewandowski is going to skate on this one. i think he offended the committee. he was very infantile in his presentation. thinking of the 16-year-old witness who showed so much more maturity than he did just the day before, that i think that
the committee's going to do something about lewandowski's behavior. >> isn't there a window, though? i mean, to your point. you say chairman nadler should have acted by now, you think, and we understand it's sort of a drawn-out process, but there is a window here, too? >> there is. what would be, to me, the most effective thing is if the, if the speaker would say, i want to have a procedure on the floor of the house where we adopt inherent contempt procedures, where they could, for example, a chairman could put somebody, a fine on them. a monetary fine, substantially, if they don't act immediately and remain in contempt until they relieve the contempt. they could do that. why they've never done it i really don't know, and i think it's getting time with this president in particular that do something like that. >> we'll see what happens with that. i want to get a little more take, too, on corey lewandowski. you used the word offensive.
famously, of course, you have been in the seat much like corey lewandowski, but when you saw what you saw on tuesday, in some ways do you think corey lewandowski gave those who may come after him a template on how to turn the tables on democrats? they did not come off as prepared or nearly as organized as their colleague ace cross the aisle and corey lewandowski did? >> well, the committee counsel, mr. berke, was very effective in his 30 minutes of questioning. the five-minute rule is a very difficult procedure. the members try to get a little bit of television time out of their subject matter. they're not, they don't follow-up on each other's questions, and it's just never been a very effective tool. i think they ought to have counsel do the initial questioning and then have members follow-up.
that way you would get the audience, they would understand what this is all about. the witness can't wiggle. quite the way he can, or she can. they can't filibuster through that five minutes. so i think that's the crux of the problem is the rule, and not any of the particular members. >> john dean, always good to have you with us. thank you. >> thank you, erica. well, any moment now justin trudeau set to face questions about photos, video that's surfaced showing the canadian prime minister donning dark makeup, brownface, blackface. hear his explanation now, live. plus, alarming new numbers just in to cnn on the teen vaping epidemic. is an entire generation on the verge of being addicted to something we don't know all that much about? dr. sanjay gupta is with us live. ok everyone!
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any moment to now we expect to the hear from embattled prime minister justin trudeau from canada. racist photos of him wearing darkface makeup. confirming images are in fact him. this one dressed as a character from" aladdin" when he was a teacher. and earlier this apology and explanation. >> i take responsibility for my decision to do that. i shouldn't have done it. i should have known better.
it was something that i didn't think was racist at the time but now i recognize it was something racist to do and i am deeply sorry. >> is that only time in your life you've ever done something like that? >> when in high school i -- dressed up at a talent show and sang with makeup on. >> in terms of this photo, talking about this from high school. and ctv news says it's a picture of trudeau in a yearbook. joining other political figures here in the u.s. who have had similar issues surface. alabama governor kay ivey, ralph northam. cnn's reporter is with me and a contributing op-ed writer for the "new york times." paula, there's also, bring us up to speed, a third instance of trudeau wearing dark makeup.
i mean, is there more to come? is there a sense from him to campaign? what is this? >> that is the question. what we're waiting for. right? for him to speak. the first thing everyone asks him. the issue, his own liberal party confirmed that video you see now is in fact another incident. the issue here erica, people want to understand that this wasn't when he was a teenager. into adulthood. they want to understand exactly how much is this about systemic racism that he, quite frankly, didn't understand. not good judgment, obviously. also the fact that his political brand is of inclusiveness. in fact, erica, he would always tell me, i don't want to talk about tolerance. tolerance is too reductive. we need to embrace diversity. whether women's right, indigenous rights or anything else he wanted to be the poster boy. that's why in particular this is hard to swallow today. >> as we're watching all of this, certainly a history here in the u.s. when some of these pictures have
surfaced. specifically talking in the u.s. about blackface and the history of that in this country. canadian media referred to these pictures as racist makeup or darkface. we forget the labels, though. every time this comes up seems there's a conversation that's missing? >> yeah. so if you're watching at home thinking about putting on blackface or brownface for halloween, don't do it! thank you for coming to my pep talk. the reason, there's a history here. i mean, the reason people say, oh you're being to politically correct or too sensitive. that's not the case. black or brown or yellowface is a history of dehumanization. mockery. belittling a person of color. exaggerated features, exaggerated language. if you look at blackface in particular, look at the movie "birth of a nation." by the way, a favorite movie of woodrow wilson. a thoroughly racist movie with both white and black actors in
blackface. what has always been done, advance white supremacy at the expense of people of color. yellowface, "breakfast at tiffany's." buck teeth, slanted eyes. audience laughs. object of ridicule and mockery. whoever's in power in the case of western society often white spr supremacy, the rest of us marginalized, the people are color. why we're stuck. okay. all these liberals putting on blackface, brownface and conservatives don't seem to like black and brown people and we're stuck in the middle? what's going on? talking to a stylist at cnn. person of color. never occurred to put on blackface or brownface. me, too. never in my life. the fact justin trudeau did this as an adult has humility,
apologizes, has a person of color, cabinet member, someone, a sikh or person who is black come up with him and address the issue head-on. it's an issue of white supremacy and as we see in america, seems we're very ufr knncomfortable tk about these issues. >> seems to be the tough part of the conversation that needs to be had. paula, when we look at this, is it a different conversation any way in canada? trudeau wants to be the prime minister who gets it, who understands and every thimpathi your struggle? >> talking politics, whether happening at kitchen tables or the office or workplace, issues is some in canada say we don't have the history as here in the united states. i am willing everyone in canada of minority would disagree. the reason, cultural complexion
of canada changed dramatically last 30 years they're saying that's not good enough. because we don't have the history of slavery doesn't mean there isn't a history. comes to indigenous people as well. canada changed as a country completely. you don't just have to look at the dep graphics or stats. right? look at your neighbor. what they're doing and so rightfully points out is dehumanizing your child classmates. think about that? that's why with so much reaction we've had in canada today a lot about betrayal. a lot of the reaction is hurtful. >> well, a conversation that i would like us all to continue. appreciate you joins us, both of you. waiting to hear from justin trudeau. hopefully that to bring you soon. still as paula told me out on the campaign trail. we'll see. and the cdc reporting another surge in the number of cases of lung illnesses linked to vaping. this as we get alarming news
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-- every single day in their lives even in a country like canada. what i did hurt them. hurt people who shouldn't have to face intolerance and discrimination because of their identity. this is something that i deeply, deeply regret. darkening your face regardless of the context or the circumstances is always unacceptable, because of the racist history of blackface. i should have understood that then, and i never should have done it. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> speaking, justin trudeau.
speaking first in english obviously hurt people who shouldn't have to face int intolerance and it's bigotry and should have known it back when he did it. still with us here, is that enough, paula? >> the issue is with canadians will it be enough? the campaign, about a month away. see if they forgive him. a lot of people are color believe he's their champion and maybe not good enough, maybe given more voice than before. it problem is duplicity. >> taking questions now. let's listen in. >> -- the only time you'd done this left us with the impression one other incident and since then global news release add video showing at least a third incident. exactly how many times have you darkened your skin with makeup in an act you have yourself described as racist? >> i -- shared the moments i recollected. but i recognize that it is
something absolutely unacceptable to do. and i appreciate calling it makeup, but it was blackface, and that is just not right. it is something that people who live with the kind of discrimination that far too many people do because of the color of their skin or their history or their origins or their language or their religion face on a regular basis, and i didn't see that from the layers of privilege that i have. and for that i am deeply sorry, and i apologize. okay. [ speaking in foreign language ]
>> one of the questions, one of the questions we had, talking about earlier, first this picture in "time" magazine then accounts he says, yes, in high school. i sang "deo" but on makeup for that and asked directly how many more times are there? he said, this is everything that i remember. right? hearing from him there. and i think he's taking another question now. >> -- we would look at every step of the way. i think examining the case-by-case situation, examining the actions that someone has taken, i am certainly conscious that in my political career as leader and indeed as prime minister we've taken many concrete actions to fight against racism, to fight against intolerance, to fight against anti-black racism specifically, to recognize
unconscious bias, systemic discrimination that exists in canada and elsewhere, to work, to overcome and recognize intersectionalities that people live with in a way that so many of us, we cannot understand or appreciate the micro aggressiag and challenges being faced. so even though we've moved forward in significant ways as a government, what i did, the choices i made, hurt people. hurt people who thought i was an ally. i am an ally, but this is something that obviously i deeply regret and i never should have done. >> more than two times, yes or no, sir? more than three times? >> larry cushman, "winnipeg free press." mr. trudeau yesterday said you realized in 2001 is was wrong to put on brownface but now you do realize it is wrong and i'm
wondering when it dawned on you that it is wrong? >> i think it's difficult to become a politician where you spend as much time as you do working hard to represent people, working hard to get to know a community like the community i have the honor of representing, papano, extraordinary diversity and challenges, and, yes, extraordinary intolerance even in a city like montreal, in a country like canada, that people live with every day, and as i've learned to not just represent people but to fight for them and to try and build a better community and a better society, i've learned every day that it is unacceptable to, to engage in this court of behavior. okay. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> as you know, justin trudeau
taking a moment to speak to obviously constituents who are french speaking. as he's doing that, bring you in. curious to your reaction what we're hearing from him and in this first couple of moments appaologizing and explaining whe he is today? >> why did he see it as racist as a young man? he briefly teased he had the privilege and privileged not to see it. we know privilege is blind to its own power, its own abuses of power but i really would were have hoped he would take this moment to really talk about that issue. the issue of privilege and white supremacy and systemic racism. really allowing a man who's educated, wordily, global, liberal, like justin trudeau to wear blackface and brownface at 20, at the age of 31. as we know in canada, reserve party leader andrew sheer four days ago any concerted member made a homophobic or racist
tweet or comment, if they apologize now i accept their apology. that's what we're stuck with. i'm curious if he accepts trudeau's apology. you see this both in canada and the united states of america. so i think real leadership here is, a., he did the first part. seems to be very apologetic. there's contrition. i really would have liked advancement on this conversation and's especially with an election year. nice to see if he had gone that extra step. >> let's listen in a little more and see what else he has to say. >> [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> so going to french there. we missed that one answer. we'll dip in to see what he has to say. it is interesting, and i brought this up quickly with paula. one of the questions, one thing after another after another after another and we ended up with three different incidents we learned about and asked how
many times and he said, this is what i remember. what's interesting is, when you look at incidents like this and as you point out as recently as 2001 for him when he's a grown man, even the reaction in 2001, there's been a lot of change and development in the way people, you know, talk about race, look at race, talk about privilege in 2019 versus 2001, but even in 2001, it seems somewhat surprising. >> yeah. i mean, i talked to a friend of mine, i was a student at uc-berkeley, even then, doing blackface, brownface, yellowface was wrong. it's a privilege that -- not just 2001. recently, right? seen examples of frat parties where the whole theme is around black and brownface and overwhelmingly young white men and women who don't consider themselves racist at all or doing anything wrong saying,
hey, we're just getting in the spirit of things. not trying to culturally appropriate. just wearing this costume of an indigenous costume and having fun. when you don't see it because you're of privilege, it allows you to be anythingerant? we see, wow, mockery, ridicule and dehuman saigz. for others a great costume for a party. i wonder when it comes to governor northam. that photo of him in blackface was in his yearbook. nobody said, wait a minute. there's a man in blackface in the yearbook. maybe we shouldn't put this in the yearback. back to the point of systemic racism. we need education about how this has affected so many communities and that's a conversation, erica you mentioned. we are very uncomfortable having in this country and seems in canada. >> one that has affected a lot
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the death of the vaping vices spreading across the u.s. is actually deepening. new medical research reports teen vaping use doubled in just the last two years and it is continuing to rise. that news follows yet another death. number seven at this point from a lung illness linked to vaping. dr. sanjay gupta is cnn's chief medical correspondent and you have more now on these new deaths? >> numbers going in the wrong direction. no question. 530 people now who have vaping-related illness. have gotten sick. the only thing investigators can see the thing that ties them in common is vaping. 530. that number's 150 from last week. so you get an idea of the trajectory. you mentioned seven deaths. more deaths are expected as well. so obviously a lot of people paying attention to this trying to figure out what's going ob specifically. getting a better idea who's most affected by this as well.
the headline is more than half the people we're talking about are under the age of 25. this is primarily affecting young, otherwise healthy people, not had medical problems. they're vaping and suddenly get ill. they don't know still, erica, exactly what's driving it. they haven't found one gel product, or one single substance. remember talking about vitamin e last week? that could be implicated but they're not sure exactly what's causing these illnesses. a final wrap, waiting for the federal government to act on this. they indicated they will. meantime in new york where you are talking about banning eflavors, michigan, banning flavors, california proposing simple things. states and cities taking it on meantime. >> dr. sanjay gupta appreciate it. sobering. thank you. top of the hour now we begin with a breaking news on that controversial whistle-blo