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cnn that he did ask ukraine to investigate joe biden. after first denying that he did. and attorney general bill barr under fire. for advising the acting dni not to share the whistle blowers complaint. is he acting like the president's personal attorney instead of the chief law enforcement of the united states? growing black face scandal. the canada prime minister saying he doesn't know how many times he's worn black face in his life. ed buck facing a federal charge for providing meth to a young man who died of over dose. breaking news right now. good evening to you. there are a lot of new developments tonight on this whistle blower story. take us through the latest reporting. >> the biggest new information comes from the "washington post." which is reporting that whatever
it was that really raised concerns for this whistle blower to come forward to the inspector general had to do with communication. some events that had to do with ukraine. and part appeared to be communication involving the president. at this point we don't know a lot of great detail about exactly the details of what exactly raised these concerns. what did the president say. what were these communications that were going on with this foreign leader. we now know that at least it had to do with ukraine. and we know that we know that the trump administration has been holding up until recently about $250 million in aid. and so that's one of the things that questions of being raised about the timing of this. you know that the president spoke to the president of ukraine in late july. and this whistle blower comes forward on august 12. again the timing here is a very
big concern and one of the reasons why there's so many questions that remain. >> another question for you. rudy giuliani on cnn a short time ago. what did he say about the president speaking with ukraines president? >> one of the big questions that remains is exactly what went on in the conversation. we know there was read out of the conversation that the white house put out. what else might have been said perhaps that is what caused this whistle blower to come forward. take a listen to what giuliani said. whatever was said in the conversation between the two presidents. >> were you finally answered my question. 12 minutes in. did the president -- >> we believe he didn't know? >> answer the question. >> what's the question? >> thank you. did the president talk to the ukrainen president about what he wanted done with joe biden. and what he wanted done with paul manafort? >> i have no idea. i never asked him that. i don't know. and i don't care if he did.
he had every right to do it as the president of the united states. to say to the ukrainen president we have allegations of massive corruption. >> did he ask you to do what you are doing? >> i did what i'm doing on my own. and tole him about it after wards. i'm his lawyer. >> was the president asking essentially for help from the ukrainen government perhaps to damage the biden presidential campaign. come 2020. we don't know. obviously that's what's the big thing that overhangs. and what giuliani is avoiding answering in his answer to chris cuomo. >> we know there was a call between president trump and ukraine president. we don't know if that is what's involved in this promise. that's being reported. interesting differences in the read out between ukraine version
and the white house version. what's going on? >> big differences. we're not sure how they fit into the allegation. if you look at the last time the president spoke with ukrainen president we got different read outs from the white house and ewe rain. saying the president was convinced the new ukrainen government will quickly improve the image of ukraine. complete investigation of corruption issues which inhibited the interaction between ukraine and the u.s. the white house version was shorter and didn't make mention of that. instead talking about improving the relationship between the united states and ukraine. and while we're figuring out how they fit into the allegation we should note because of statements like this because of what rudy giuliani and the president have been saying, there were questions about the president's interactions with ukraine long before this whistle blower complaint. >> nothing new from the president about this latest report. he addressed this complaint on twitter this morning. >> it took him longer than we
expected. the president pushed back essentially saying this is his style and how he communicates with world leaders. had said it's fake news and never ends. every time he speaks on the phone to a foreign leader i understand there maybe many people listening from various u.s. agencies and the country itself. no problem. he said knowing this is anybody dumb enough to believe i would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader along a potentially heavily populated call. i would only do what is right anyway and good for the u.s. typically when the president makes a call with a foreign leader. it starts in the situation room and patched together on security line. with president trump in office he developed a habit where essentially he will give out his personal cell phone number to the leaders he developed a personal relationship with. and sometimes he calls them at night when he's in the residence. there's no staff around. and it's not on the secure line. it's done through the president's cell phone. in the hospital the situation
room. there are instances where there aren't a lot of people on the president calls. >> oh, boy. thank you. appreciate it. >> good evening. you heard all that. let's discuss now. juliette, the "washington post" reporting rudy giuliani interview raised questions about the president and the white house interaction with ukraine. give me your take away, please. >> i think we're sort of missing the take away. rudy giuliani is rudy giuliani. my take away from today was another letter that the ig for the odni sent to congress. in that letter it becomes clear this is not some trump trying to get policy change in the letter that was disclosed today the ig again says this is an issue of grave concern. we should interpret to not being a policy issue. or someone who heard something
passing in the hall way. then adds this piece. it is something that most significant and important of the odni duty. in other words it relates to american democracy. and the ability if it is the ukraine the ability of the election to be free and pristine from foreign influence. that letter along with the "washington post" reporting tieing it to the ukraine. suggests this cuts to the core of the democratic process and not going away for the white house. no matter how much they release election security funding or anything that they're going to do in the next couple days to get ahead of this story. >> a lot of people asking does the president have a right. he has lee way dealing with foreign leaders. you point out that his article 2 powers don't extend to offering quid pro quo. and if this it true this is an abuse of power. is it? >> absolutely. he can't use his article 2 power for personal gain.
and if there ends up being any indication he offered something in his presidential authority in order to receive something that would benefit him personally for example in election. that is a problem. there's a reason that the framers of the constitution included bribery as impeachable defense. they didn't want self-dealing. here's the other thing. we just finished an investigation about foreign interference in the election. hello? and what -- and you know. >> what was it called? >> it started with an m. >> mueller. >> the mueller report. here if there was the quid pro quo. this foreign government is essentially digging up dirt that will help him, it's a thing of value. the value is whatever aid he's willing to give.
that is a election federal election campaign violation. which we have already been through. we have done this. >> also even if the president has committed crimes, he may not be prosecuted for this. it is troubling. i don't know, i'm not an attorney. >> i'm adding is that in the mueller report one of the big factors that the campaign finance violation weren't able to do prosecuted is a lack of knowledge. on the part of the participants. they didn't understand it. that's not the case anymore. >> so listen, matthew, you have reporting from the "new york times." >> this is set up basically, sorry, excuse me, we understand this was multiple interactions. it wasn't just one. and the testimony today from the
ig behind close td doors in congress laid out a tapestry of interactions. more than one and more than just possibly ukraine. we don't know. we're in this bizarre point with the story. where we know there's a complaint. we know people are taking it seriously. we know the president is involved. we don't fwhoe made the complaint. we're unclear on the details. that does affect a lot of what we can say. >> the president rudy giuliani have both spoken before about interest in biden and ukraine. this has been fairly out in the open. is it a stretch there could have been some conversations behind the scenes? >> there's no behind the scenes when you're president of the united states. giuliani is his personal attorney. he has no he doesn't represent me. he's not even in the staff of the white house. he's sort of this weird free agent. people know that he's speaking for the president. if giuliani says something,
everyone is going to know it's going to know that is the same if don jr. said something. president wants it. when you're the president you don't get alternative processes. that's the benefit a privilege to be president. but you don't get fo side deal. that's essentially what appears to be happening across the world we're seeing from saudi arabia. to mexico. and where else he's putting his money. it's important we realize there's no second trump. there's no personal trump when you're president of the united states. that's key in this instance because when he's on a phone call saying i'm going to with hold a certain amount of money because i don't like biden. he is speaking not as someone who is a private citizen running for office. he's speaking as a president of the united states. it is i'll quote the ig. of grave concern. you can put a name behind it.
illegal or impeachable. grave concern that we and congress should know about. >> where does this go from here? will we find out the truth? >> i think that what is going to end up happening is this will have to be litigated. my suspicion is that the white house is going to hang their hat of the constitutional article 2. argument they have essentially sort of discretion to have confidential conversations with foreign leaders and congress will say no. we have oversight authority. if that breaks the law. when you have the clash and they can't work it out and the white house is continued to stone wall congress on other fronts, it ends up being up to the court to delinn ate one power. >> incredible risk fft whistle blower to come forward. given how they handled it. what happens next? >> i think she's right.
it will go on. also you have an intelligence community full of people who feel they have been disrespected by the president. and this includes senior officials as well. this is a situation where there are people who are insent vised to leak. we have a process that's broken. this is how you're supposed to do it. it's not working. the safety valve. it's how it gets out and becomes public. >> fiery rudy giuliani tried to defend his boss the president on tonight. but did he make matters worse? you'll hear more of what he said. and that's next. od afternoon bo. we have some great new ideas that we want to present to you today. [son]: who are you talking to? [son]: that guy's scary. the first item on the list is selecting a chairman for the... for the advisory board what's this? as well as use the remaining... child care options run out. lifetime retirement income from tiaa doesn't.
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while rudy giuliani denied asking to investigate joe biden. he admitted to do that seconds later. we have to talk about it. fra frank bruni is here. and rick wilson. rudy giuliani told chris tonight he didn't know what the president did. but, if he did do it it was okay, and what rudy did he did on his own. he told the president about it after wards. i'm sorry. what did we learn from this? >> we learned that rudy giuliani will say anything and mount any argument in his loyalty to the president. which i don't quite understand. i don't understand a lot of loyalty to the president. it's absurd. we don't know what the president did, regardless it's okay. and what he's talking about is the sort of it tar tat aid and investigating bideens son or
something. if that's the case, absolutely it's wrong. we just have gone through a chapter of american history looking at foreign meddling in an election. whether that was solicited and there was collusion and all that stuff. now the possibility that the president invited it to happen again on his behalf. even as the rest of this was kind of coming to a head. it boggles the mind. i don't know how to react. >> join the club. rick, listen, i'll bring you in. rudy giuliani he contradicted himself multiple times. shouted personal insults at chris. at the net work and on and on. here's more. >> you don't know what happened. i know what happened. you're repeating. you want to cover some ridiculous charge that i urged the ukrainen government to investigate corruption. well, i did.
i'm proud of it. >> it's not a ridiculous allegation. you admitted it. >> what is reported is true, it doesn't make a damn. it doesn't make a difference. if the president of the united states said to the president of ukraine, investigate the corruption in your country. that has a baring on our 2016 election. isn't that what he's supposed to do? >> okay. would he be that freaked out if there was nothing to the story? >> i have known rudy a long time. i have been around the block with him since 1997. he's pretty amped up. that was a high intensity rudy moment. and i will say the gem that came out essentially that we need to dredge up a water gate reference. he's saying if the president does it it's not illegal. as much as some people are fans of the unitary executive theory. there are things that are illegal and inappropriate.
unethical. and amoral. what he described is in fact that behavior. and the fact he admitted he was pressuring the ukraine shows this -- i hesitate to use this word. it sound like a conspiracy. but his people to pressure the ukraine. a high low game. he asks the questions, don makes the phone call. donald. >> donald, donald. >> wee little donny. >> don't say don. >> chris is very fair to rudy. throwing out accusations. and then there was this. >> i'm sure they buy that everything you're saying right now has nothing to do with the distracting from what the president -- you have been doing it a year and a half.
you have been distracting from the truth for a year and a half. and i hope you enjoy it. this president got the benefit of something you built up for deck kwa decades. your credibility. and you put it on the line. good choice. >> most of his appearances defending the president on something is there's a debate. as to whether he is just sort of mad and i don't mean angry. i mean mad. and flailing around and there's no strategy behind what he's saying. and or is there a method to the madness and is he setting the sage for the argumenting they need to make when facts come out. if you remember in the stormy daniels case. before the facts came out. he was on air saying if the president did xy and z.
what's the big deal? that was before we knew he had indeed done it. and so the clip you played before this, that seemed like the same play book. saying so what if he called the president of the ukraine and said this. so that's -- >> in your mind he did it? >> the oj book. if i did it. so he's either giving us a clue to the coming defense. and famous method of spin. get the facts out ahead of time. so it seems like it's old news. or he's just completely just freelancing and this is not anything that's strategic. it looks like the stormy case. getting ahead of what seems to be the coming story.
>> okay. this is from rudy giuliani. are you ready for this? a president telling a president-elect of a well known corrupt country he better investigate corruption that affects u.s. is doing his job. maybe if obama did that the biden family wouldn't have built millions from ukraine and billions from china. being covered up by a corrupt media. by the way, there's no evidence of that. there's no credible -- i have no idea what it means. >> this is insane. in the tweet he is seems to be confirms or suggesting that in fact what was going on is saying investigate hunter biden. right before an election in which his most fierce some opponent might be joe biden. rudy giuliani lost his mind here. i tell you when you pull back from this and watch the chris interview and the way he's behaving. it is perverse and inexplicable
a president who least deserves this loyalty, and this circling of the wagon. gets it time and again. not just from giuliani. he's making a fool of himself with cuomo. bill barr protecting the president. and the justice department has a role in the not telling the house democrats what they want to know. the director of national intelligence. why are so many people willing to shelf ethics and tick nar necks out for this president of all people. it's one of the greatest perversions of this chapter of history. >> there's a tear in the universe. it's not just mercury in retro glade. it's all a dream. >> when are we going wake up. >> the wrong time line. >> this episode of dallas coming to an end. thank you. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪
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president trump lawyer rudy giuliani giving a breathless contradictory and confusing defense of his boss over reports a whistle blower involves ukraine. william barr facing questions after the justice department was involved in saying not to share the whistle blower's dplacompla. president trump's lawyers all over the place. tonight. on these reports the whistle
blower complaint involves ukraine. did he make the situation worse? >> i'm sorry, me? yes. look, there are grand constitutional arguments that they're throwing around. we have a really simple statutory scheme that has never been violated. it says the inspector general determines if you have a complaint and if you do, you transfer it over to congress. to the intelligence committee. not to everybody in the country. to the intelligence community which always looks at sensitive information and that's the basic oversight we have. now, has the president's lawyers made it worse? i think we're coming into a rough focus of what's happened and it may well be some kind -- what would be wrong with the ukraine deal. it would be trump trading something that belongs to the united states people. say the $250 billion in loans. for something he wants for himself not the country.
that would be wrong. and i think it's getting clear enough and every day there's a drip drip drip. i actually think it may well not play out in the courts. there maybe an accommodation and give the sub tans of this to schiff. if not the letter of it. because i think trump and company are getting clobbered every day. in the news and if gets worse. >> interesting. giuliani flip-flopped tonight on saying whether he investigated joe biden. it is not the first time he's gone against his own words. this is fox news about the stormy daniels payment and contradicting himself the next morning. >> having something to do with paying some stormy daniels woman. 130,000? which is going to turn out to be perfectly legal. that money was not campaign money. sorry, i'm giving you a fact that you don't know. it's not campaign money. no campaign finance violation.
>> so they funneled it through a law firm? >> and the president repaid it. >> oh. he did. >> he didn't know the details of this. until we knew. a couple weeks ago. maybe ten days ago. >> oh. is there a method to this madness? >> rudy tonight had a jack nickelson. you're damn right i ordered -- it's step one deny it, admit it, and step three yeah it happened. but it's okay, what's wrong with it? we saw all three steps tonight. terrible lawyering. it's a shame to see from rudy giuliani. he was the attorney for the southern district of new york. he was a legend. now he's a joke. >> you said legally. is it a good pr strategy.
something good and bad and something good. >> i don't know. >> no, yes, no. >> i know it worked. i won't say it's a good strategy. it worked with stormy daniels. he fell through the cracks. aided by the doj policy against indicting a sitting president. because it worked once doesn't make it a winning strategy. don't do this at home. >> the attorney general under fire for advising the acting chief not to share this complaint. you backed barr when he was originally appointed. and took great issue with how he handled the mueller report. is this another example acting as the personal attorney to the president? >> i have to say, he's gone over to maybe not the other side, but trump's personal side. for something like this who are you doing to call? bill barr.
they'll call on the olc to produce an opinion that will at least buy time. i think it's of a appease. and universally the doj wouldn't be involved here. probably the white house had something to do with pushing the dni to get the opinion and arm them with something at least plausible they can point to. sad to say, but the basic mo go to bill barr justice department, get something you can say however outrageous about executive power to at least freeze the line backers. we have seen that before. this doesn't seem different. given that the scheme is so clear. and there's no valid defense. nor has there ever been attempt to resist this. >> i have to run. thank you i appreciate it. justin trudeau. black face. once, twice, three times? maybe more.
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appearance in black face he admitted to last night. wearing dark make up and singing in talent show. a third instance uncovered. a video of him in black face from the 1990s. he says he doesn't know how many times he's worn black face in his life. let's discuss now. the author of white like me is here. good evening. thank you for joining. last night trudeau said that there was only one other instance of him in black face. we have seen a third. listen to his follow up apology. >> this is something that i deeply regret. darkening your face regardless of the context of the circumstances. is always unacceptable. because of the racist history of black face. >> he seemed up front about a
right away and contrite. does that new video discredit him? >> i don't think it discredits him. wearing black face once is a one time too many. for those wondering what to wear as a costume in october, do not wear black face. thank you for coming to my ted talk. that was free. listen, this is a history of black face, brown face. yellow face has been used to dehumanize and ridicule and mock the other. that's what people need to understand. it's not us being politically correct or placing the race card. there's a history here of using this make up to dehumanize people of color. in america and canada. one example. birth of a nation 1950. a movie a phenomenon. a racest movie that brought back the clan. used black face. look at the depiction of african
american americans. so when trudeau a grown man wears black face at age 30. at as a teacher and age 21. im old enough to remember i was 20. i knew wearing black face was bad idea. what i really want from him i appreciate the contrition. and his apology. the question we should be asking, why did he not know it was wrong and how come nobody else told him? that the answer to that question will bring this to a conversation the country doesn't want. systemic racism. >> well, i don't believe that he didn't know it was wrong. i think the biggest problem with these incidents is that it's not just sometimes overt racism. sometimes it is. we see it on college campuses for example where people have ghetto parties on mlk day and put on black face. that's blatant. there's no subtlety.
i don't think that's what he's guilty of. it's about white folks where these things happen who have so little regard for the life experiences and the history facing black and brown folks. they sort of know it's wrong and know it's more than just transgressive and edgy. it's offensive. and they go, yeah, but it's halloween. or it's a party. here's the message that i think folks need to understand. it's one i understood by the time i was five. maybe my parents are better than some parents. the lesson is this, blackness is not a costume. they're not characters to be played. you don't put on someone's hair or make up. or skin color as a costume. these are people with lived experiences and whether you are doing it to intentionally denigrate or because you have the privilege of being stone cold ignorant. to the reality of other peoples lives and be called educated.
is a problem. we have to do better. the contrition is necessary. we as a culture better ask why it is that white folks in north america and around the world are allowed to be this stupid. and still be considered leaders, still be considered intelligent. still considered educated enough to graduate high school. let alone college. it's unbelievable. >> you both mention contrition. you can appreciate the contrition. and also condemn the act. which i said last night. conservative media taking out of context saying i praised him. i was saying it's refreshing to hear someone apologize when they did something wrong. that never happens here lately. but condemn what trudeau did at the at the same time. and he did acknowledge which many people don't, his white privilege. right? he didn't make excuses for it. but, does that really change anything? >> no, he admitted his
privilege. but reflects also that ignorance is itself a privilege. he didn't know he said. you have to take it further. this is an election year. we see the rise of white nationalism. if you want to tackle this we have to have a conversation about something we never talk about. ready? white supremacy. until you get to the systemic racism that causes this to occur again and again. and worldly intelligent people. for trudeau. a liberal. who wears black face as a grown man and doesn't understand why it's hurtful. it will keep happening. we have to tackle truth. it will be uncomfortable. >> i have to go. but can you just please, talk about your daughter has liver cancer. in need of a donor. how if you don't mind talking about it, how is that going the search and how is she going?
>> thank you for asking. she just turned three. it affects 1% of kids. she finished her ninth chemo. she's a brave warrior. she is recovered since the last chemo. she's doing well. we're searching for a match. 500 people have applied tor donors. thank you to the cnn family. i want to tell everyone watching, i never asked anyone at cnn. but all the hosts and producers went out of the way to say how can we help. we're rooting for her. let's hoepe if you send hopes ad prayers. i believe in god. she's looking for one match. let's hope she gets a donor. >> we communicate. you didn't everyone tell me. we text and e-mail. >> i have been busy. >> black face, cancer. rudy giuliani. this is america. >> i have to run. we wish you the best.
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good evening. we left you last night with something of a mystery. what prompted a whistle-blower inside the intelligence community to raise what the community's top watchdog decided were, quote, urgent concerns and why haven't those concerns been brought before congress as the law requires. tonight, there is new reporting from cnn and from others on the assistance of the complaint and why this is turning into something the white house, from the president down, is treating as a very big deal. fist and foremost, we've learned this directly concerns the president. in part, his communications with and allegedly his commitment to a foreign leader. in addition, three sources now tell cnn that both the white house and justice department are involved in blocking the complaint. separately, "the new york times" is reporting that the complaint alleges multiple acts by the