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movement in this country, this was all over the world, over 100 million people all over the world. i know you had 150 countries that wanted to be involved, millions of people all over the world. you've never had a major movement in this country that didn't begin bottom up. the second take away is it's sad to see a gap between kids and adults when it comes to science. >> that's where we are. had a conversation with a conservative. they were happy to see people on the street protesting for what they believe in. why can't we be out there, meaning conservatives and liberals be out there contesting the behavior of this president? the things that came out of the mueller report and the things that concern ukraine because that is important to our democracy. >> sure. look what happened in puerto rico. >> look what happened in puerto rico. so i think the sad thing is that i think people have -- are -- they're becoming immune to it. they can't take it anymore so
they're just kind of tuning it out. i don't know what the answer is. i know that we have to keep on top of it, but i don't know what the answer is to get people engaged. climate change is important. what's happening with this president now is also important. people should be just as engaged and just if not even more outraged by it. >> look, i get it. >> protests. >> i get that it can be too much. you know how you have compassion fatigue, consternation fatigue also. then you look at what happened in the mid terms, you had a huge turnout. >> yeah. >> i was worried about the same type of fatigue back then that were people really paying attention? did they really seem to care? is it all too much, too constant? then they came out in droves. these are pictures obviously of what people did today. >> yeah. >> here is the problem. can you organize and come out immobilized. i'm not talking about in the other countries, i'm talking about here. if you organize you will get what you want. >> you will. well, you will, but in many
ways, let's be honest, the system is rigged when you look at all the gerrymandering around the country and you look at what happens with voter suppression and on and on. it's rigged in a way not the way that the president claimed there are illegal people voting, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's rigged in that people are shaping the electorate to favor them and for the most part, for the most part the majority of the time it is republicans who are doing it. i'm not saying -- i'm not judging any way or another but that is the truth if you look at the facts. the system is rigged in some ways. yeah, you can get out and vote but sometimes when you get out and vote your vote doesn't really count as much as it should because of the jerry rigging and all the other things that are going. >> sometimes. >> sometimes. >> i don't think you want the exception to become the rule. >> no. and you don't want to disincentive advise people to go out and vote. you are right, chris, go out and vote. there are other things that need to be taken care of.
>> if you vote on the state level, that's how the districts are done. unless you do something that is abusive of the legal standard, you can play to advantage but i still believe it's one thing to say in a poll you care about something but if you don't vote on the basis of that interest, you're not going to get the leverage. the nra beats people with leverage, not money. >> getting to the news. do you remember what happened on monday? >> no. >> no. >> this news cycle is just -- it's crazy. every single day there's -- not every single day, every single hour. today i was watching my phone. everything just kept popping up and popping up and popping up. i said, my goodness, how much more -- you can understand why some people have tuned out. it's just too much. >> you know what i did?
i turned off my alerts and i have rose go through everything and she only sends me what i have to know for the show. keeps me from changing topics. >> i just had that conversation that i'm thinking of turning off all alerts on my phones, no, seriously. you're constantly checking your phone. i got rid of my apple watch. it was a buzz all day. >> you were always showing that thing off anyway. >> i got rid of it. i didn't get rid of it, i took it off. i'm thinking of turning the alerts off. i'm thinking of doing a social media fast for a month. >> is that a thing? >> yeah, that's a thing. look it up. >> is it a fast or a purge? >> it's a fast because you do it for a while and then you see if you like it. people say in the beginning you're like, oh, my gosh, you want to check it and i don't feel the need to check it that much. it's still too much. after a while you get used to it. hey, maybe i don't need all of this craziness. >> maybe you'll get a new job
and be a landscaper and paint pastorals. >> i would totally do it. i reached for a black tie and i said, i can't do it because then i'll look just like that sucker on the other side. i chose this one but now i can't wear black ties anymore. i used to do it all the time, all the time. >> of course you can, although i will tell you i do get bothered by it. when i see you and anderson in a black tie, i'm like, that's my look. in fact, i'm the only one that did. >> i used to wear black all the time. it was easy and no one noticed anything. >> you're known for dressing well. >> yeah. >> one of the up sides of having no game is nobody has ever cared about what i wear anyway. >> your wife does and she dresses you very well. >> she didn't notice i was wearing the same thing for over eight months. >> it would be you and the cargo shorts which we need to work on. >> i think she threw those out. >> take care.
we have a lot to get to. it has been a crazy week. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. i have a couple of questions for you. enemy. who are you going to believe? that is really the question tonight. that's really the main question tonight and over the last couple of years because here's what you -- you cannot believe both the president, the president who claims his conversations with foreign leaders are always appropriate and the source telling this leader pressured ukraine to investigate joe biden's son. the white house and the doj are trying bury it. you can't believe both at the same time, okay? who are you going to believe? your own eyes and ears, the president, whistle-blower? "the wall street journal" is reporting the president pressured ukraine's leader eight times, eight times in that single call, eight times.
the journal also reporting that trump told the ukrainian president that he should work with rudy giuliani to investigate biden. sources telling cnn that the president was pretty disinterested in ukraine until giuliani got him fired up with his efforts to investigate biden. something new. i've got a new angle for you. biden, let's investigate. a source close to the white house says the president has been seething for months and that giuliani has been, quote, egging him on. the president in the oval office today contradicting himself. the president contradicting himself repeatedly in a matter of minutes. where did you see that? you saw that last night on cnn with chris cuomo and rudy giuliani contradicting himself not even in minutes, in seconds. the president contradicting himself in minutes. first claiming the
whistle-blower complaint is, quote, a political hack job. >> partisan whistle-blower. shouldn't even have information. i had conversations with many leaders. always appropriate. just another political hack job. >> so it's anonymous. he doesn't know who the whistle-blower is. how does he know it's a partisan whistle-blower. moments later, the president claiming it didn't matter what he discussed, then doubling down on exactly what he reportedly discussed, his claim that somebody, he didn't say who, should look into biden. >> it doesn't matter what i discussed, but i will say this, somebody ought to look into joe biden's statement because it was disgraceful where he talked about billions of dollars that he's not giving to a certain country unless a certain prosecutor is taken off the
case. somebody ought to look into that. >> somebody ought to look into it, huh? does that remind you of anything. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. >> don't fall for this. you've seen this before. it's all played out. same game, different names, well, except for one. it was clinton last time, it will be biden now. back to the president's frank had i head spinning statements. claiming on one hand not to know which conversation reporters were asking about. >> i had a great conversation with numerous people, i don't know who exactly you're talking about. >> and then insisting that even
though he claimed not to know which conversation they were talking about, that conversation was totally appropriate and beautiful. >> i can say that it was a totally appropriate conversation. it was actually a beautiful conversation. >> a beautiful conversation. so he knows it was appropriate and beautiful but he doesn't know which conversation it was and speaking of head spinning contradictions, you remember this very, very heated exchange between rudy giuliani and chris cuomo last sniet. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no, actually, i didn't. i asked the ukraine to investigate the allegations that there was interference in the election of 2016 by the ukrainians for the benefit of hillary clinton for which there already is a -- >> you never asked anything about hunter biden? you never asked anything about joe biden? >> the only thing i asked about joe biden is to get to the bottom of how they dismissed the
case -- >> so you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden. >> of course i did. >> you just said you didn't. >> the president's attorney pretty pleased with himself as he arrived at the state dinner for the prime minister of australia tonight. >> how are you? >> what about your vn interview? >> i guess you have to laugh when you really can't answer. rudy giuliani sure did manage to get the president's attention on ukraine, didn't he? with an unproven conspiracy theory that an anticorruption push by biden and other european leaders had something to do with hunter biden's business dealings inside the country. there is no evidence that it did and tonight an angry joe biden is fighting back. the former vice president putting out a statement saying, quote, if these reports are true, then there is truly no
bottom to president trump's willingness to abuse his power and abase our country. i said rudy giuliani really managed to get the president's attention on ukraine. you know what else reliably gets this president's attention? crowds. he's been obsessed with the size of crowds ever since the second day of his administration. >> this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period. >> so maybe this will get his attention. millions of people around the world led by teen activists demanding action on the climate crisis that threatens the planet and our future. the massive crowd in new york's downtown flooded streets for
blocks. that same scene in boston, thousands more in the streets of chicago, and in san francisco you think those crowds might make an impression on the president. maybe that's wishful thinking. after all, this is the president who apparently couldn't be bothering at the g-7. there's the empty chair highlighted to the right of your screen. we learned today he is skipping a summit on monday. all of that as the pentagon announces tonight it is sending additional troops to saudi arabia and the uae in response to the saudi oil facilities which you u.s. has blamed on tehran. much, much more to come on all of these big stories. as i said, busy week, busy night ahead. we're learning a lot more
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we're learning more tonight about president trump's phone call that was so concerning to a whistle-blower. he put pressure on ukraine to investigate joe biden's son. let's bring in pamela brown. you've been following this very closely. thanks for joining us. good evening to you. cnn confirmed this. it's disturbing if true. what is the latest on this? >> reporter: the latest is there was this phone call in late july, don, and president trump according to a source pressed the ukraine to investigate joe biden's son.
this was part of an intelligence whistle-blower source. trump did not discuss a pending aid package indicating there may not have been an explicit quid pro quo. we don't know the discussions surrounding the phone call. now today trump didn't deny that he brought that up in that phone call with ze lyzelinsky. the president's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, met with a top ukrainian official in madrid shortly after that call. and giuliani admitted that he raised biden during that meeting. i spoke to giuliani today and he declined to say whether he spoke with the president about pressuring the ukrainians to investigate biden's son. to give some context, ukrainians
have looked into a company involving biden's son determining there was nothing there and the case didn't go forward. giuliani alleges without direct evidence that biden pressured ukraine to dismiss the prosecutor looking at that case. biden did release a statement saying if these reports are true then there is truly no bottom to abuse his power. don? >> you know, pamela, let's talk about the president's interest in ukraine and how it's ramped up. he wasn't always this interested, was he? >> certainly. his interests according to sources has really ramped up in the last several months as he became more and more engaged in these allegations surrounding joe biden and his son. sources say he began bringing it up in private conversations with aides talking about the allegations that he believed it could be a liability for joe biden and giuliani as well, his
personal lawyer, was also kind of getting him interested in it. giuliani again won't say what those private conversations were, but we do know he was aware of the president's interest in the allegations surrounding biden and his son. so basically you have a president, he was pretty tuned out to ukraine but suddenly got really tuned in once he learned of these allegations of a presidential candidate. it does make you wonder if he would be so interested in this if joe biden wasn't someone he saw as a political rival. don? >> pamela brown, thank you so much. let's bring in susan hennessy and plaques groos. good to have you both on. susan, president trump, repeatedly, you know, about eight times, pressed the president in about eight hours. is this legal? it's asking a foreign power to
dig up dirt on a rival? >> there's a little bit of a risk here getting oefrmly focused on is there a quid pro kwoe. put that all to the side for a moment. separate and apart from the question of whether or not he is getting this. he pressured a foreign leader to investigate a -- a political opponent absent a criminal predicate. a u.s. citizen. this is a grotesque violation, it is impeach ablg conduct full stop before we even need to get into the question whether there were those additional astonishing progress. did they take money that congress had appropriated and effectively use it to pressure
that foreign country in order to provide this as dirt on one of his owe political opponents, to interfere in the united states election. this is unbelievably disturbing. i think it was probably the single most serious allegation that has come out of this white house and frankly one of the most serious allegations of wrongdoing in the history of the united states presidency. i do not make that statement lightly, i really don't. >> max, i want to know what you think about this because as i said to you when you were sitting here before you came on, have you had a column every day this week? >> yes. >> you said is trump extorting a political leader. your latest reporting, do you believe this strengthens the case for impeachment here. she mentioned impeachment. what do you think? >> of course. there was already a strong case. just looking at the mueller
report. they said they would bring charges if president trump was not the president. this is a whole nother order of magnitu magnitude. my whole thought is this is in a slowdown mode on impeachment. she's afraid it would cost them in $10 increments. we need to get over this. i would say throw all those political matters. this is such an egregious brief, misusing his office for personal gabe. i think if the facts stand up here, democrats are going to be
forced to proceed with an interim. they have to send a message, this is unacceptable. there has to be a price to pay because otherwise what trump is showing us, he will take the lack of impeachment as a green light to continue. as susan said, an expensive quit pro quo. >> even without it it could be said. the fact that he put a stop on this aid and badgered them to investigate hunter biden. it's obvious to add up to -- >> good ply. >> well, there will be more exclusive. trump and ukraine's president talk on july 25th. by late august trump moves and
september 9th three house committees started investigating. september 12th there was scrutiny, correct? >> yeah, so the president essentially, you know, was stalling on this aide package for a very long period of time. the same period of time in which he was accurately leasing the un craze that came out. i think max is absolutely right. whether or not we can sort of point to specific quid pro quo, you can infer it from the general contacts. this is something they desperately wanted or are seeing. in the context of those conversations, of that outreach from ukraine. trump is asking for these abusive political favors. i don't think we have to take much of a step to put these two
together. i want to address max's point about impeachment. i think you have to ask the question, what happens if we don't impeach in these circumstances? max is right. we need to make sure that this congress didn't happen. just based off from news reports. if this was accurate, we have to ask ourselves what is the future of the united states presidency. what is the future of the separation of power. whenever we see this meaning refusal to allow whistle blowers. we are in an incredibly perilous moment. >> we are all correct to say, if it is true. we've said that a number of times. >> to underline the point, don, if it's not true, if this is all bogus, if the president is innocent, he has to share the transcript of his call with woolinsky. he's not doing it.
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moines airport. >> president trump encouraged joe biden's son. he demanded that a foreign leader investigate his opponent's family and potentially influence an election. is this an abuse of power? >> that administration me if proven, these allegations strike me as a demonstrable abuse of power. i'll remind your viewers that what was held over the newly elected president of ukraine was a $250 million package that the president appropriated. $250 million worth of support that included $50 million worth of antitank missiles, jaff very lins that he has had going. this is where 13,000 people have
been killed and the ukrainians have stood firm against russian aggression for a long five years. they were eager to det the -- get this. they conducted a review. and as you know, a whistle-blower in the intelligence community seeing an alarming pattern in conversations between president trump and the president of the ukraine raced a flag and referred this to the inspector general of the intelligence community, atkinson, and he concluded that this was a pressing matter that urgently needed to be referred to congress. the acting director of national intelligence has blocked that. three things are called for. first, president trump should
this isn't a problem. third, the foreign relations committee on which i am and the others serve should promptly conduct an investigation into whether or not these funds were inappropriately used in an abuse of power. >> listen, before our time runs out here let me get some questions in i need to ask you. >> yes. >> what are the consequences so far? so far it's been radio silence from the republicans. >> first, i would like to believe that my friends and colleagues on the other side of the aisle will put country above party and insist that there be a full and open investigation because this is an alarming example of exactly the sort of abuse of power that i think has caused previous presidents to get into very deep hot water when they put personal political interests above the country. second, i think we ought to hear why the director of national intelligence is able to block a vital whistle-blower report like this. i'm here in the state of iowa.
senator chuck grassley has long channelled whistle blowers. my hope is that senator grassley will prove his continued commitment to the idea that whistle blowers help keep our country accountable and open. he also will press for that. >> let's talk about why you're there in iowa. you're campaigning and i have to ask you, we know the doj is involved in advising the dni to withhold the whistle-blower complaint from congress. is attorney general bill barr trying to cover up the president's wrongdoing? senate judiciary committee. >> that would certainly be the implication. yeah, i'm on that. i was very concerned about some of the actions that the attorney general took. the ways in which he slow rolled and mischaraterized the mueller
report anything. he is not president trump's personal lawyer. that honor belongs to rudy giuliani, among others. we all saw how rudy giuliani conducted himself on the chris cuomo. allowing radio psy sense should be press are for transparency. >> senator koomts, thank you so much. good luck. >> thank you. great to be with you. >> we'll be right back.
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investigate joe biden's son and that happened eight times in a single call which raised serious questions about whether this president is using his authority to harm besieged political enemies. joining me to discuss is john dean and also jack tarmaccio. he's with homeland security in the george w. bush administration. good evening, gentlemen. appreciate having you both on. jack, you first. you say the way this whistle-blower campaign is being handled makes watergate look like kindergarten. why? >> well, what i'm seeing here, don, is already a pattern of obfuscation. you've got rudy giuliani out there kind of running interference and it just seems like it's going down the road of trying to hide very legitimate questions. and i think it would be well served for the president, certainly well served for the country for them to come forward and have a little transparency here. i think we learned that mistake
back in 1973 and '74 but apparently this white house doesn't remember the history. >> the person that can speak about that is john dean. john, obviously you have firsthand experience with watergate. where do you rate this? >> i -- it's really in a whole other dimension. the level of playing with national security for personal gain is the potential charge here is just really beyond anything we've seen by an american president. so i would say this is much, much more serious potentially than watergate. we've got the obstruction charges that are already outstanding. we have the potential campaign act violations that are outstanding that could all get into an impeachment proceeding but this is of a different ilk, don, and much more serious. >> jack, here's the president talking about the whistle-blower. this is earlier. >> i don't know the identity of
the whistle-blower. i hear it saying partners in person meaning it comes out from another party but i don't have any idea, but i can say that it was a totally appropriate conversation. it was actually a beautiful conversation. >> trump's claims that offering no proof the person is partisan. what can you tell us about who might have access to the president's phone call to another world leader? >> well, when the president speaks to another world leader, there are always other folks on the line. you want to have that. you don't want to have a situation where the president is saying something, there could be a miscommunication. you get somebody saying, you said that, no, i didn't say that. you're having these officials to vet and understand what's being said. the fact that he said that that individual is a remember provided me with.
those of us in the community served the country and we don't serve a party. i was a little surprised when i heard that. >> john, i want you to listen to this. this is congressman eric swallow calling for them to release the contents of the whistle-blower complaint. >> if the acting dni is listening, jim, i want him to know you do not have to be a part of a lawless administration. you can send this information right to congress. you would be a patriot and you would save us from a potential national security list. >> john, what do you think about that? this person must be under tremendous pressure right now. >> obviously when the complaint came in he was very worried. he went to his general counsel, he went to his -- the office of legal counsel. he should have well known what would happen when he went to the office of legal counsel and william barr's department of justice. things are different. they don't play down the middle.
they are playing as defense council for a president at this point. so i'm not surprised he got advice do nothing, spit on the violation. >> jack r jack, you were an under secretary for intelly against and an intelligence officer. did the administration -- the strigs has done a number of things which are inappropriate. does this cross the line to illegal? >> that's a great question and it's a question i don't think we know the answer to. as i studied for other interview tonight, i ask myself a lot of questions. if we don't know who the whistle-blower was, what was said, the context of those discussions. those are the critical questions we need to find out. was there a potential to stall all of this $250 million to the
ukraine that had already been appropriated by congress until there was some type of a movement that was favorable to the president. if there are laws to be broke or that have been broken, we just don't know. if there's inappropriate contact, it appears there may be. >> jack, john, thank you so much. you've got to see this. a car crashes into a mall near chicago and then keeps driving right through it. we'll talk to an eye witness with the shocking scene next. >> what the [ bleep ]. about 50% of people with severe asthma have too many cells called eosinophils in their lungs. eosinophils are a key cause of severe asthma. fasenra is designed to target and remove these cells. fasenra is an add-on injection for people 12 and up
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look at this frightening video from illinois. suv drove through a chicago shopping mall, first crashing through a sears and into the rest of the mall. knocking down products and bashing into store fronts. officials have one person in custody. tonight police say there's no indication of terrorism. minor injuries reported. joining me now an eyewitness to the crash. thank you for joining us. glad you're here and you're okay. this video of this suv driving through this mall is just shocking. tell us where you were, and what happened. >> i was inside sears. and i was in the fitting room. and i heard this crash like almost banging. and at first i wasn't sure what it was. as it kept going, it didn't stop. and it was like i heard commotion going on.
i knew something was going on. it was very scary. and i didn't know what was happening. honestly it sounded like gunshots. with everything going on in the world. i thought it was an active shooter. i walked out of the room. the fitting room. it was someone in a large car suv. crashed through the door. and they kept going. it was a huge mess in the store. >> did people stay calm? or was it -- was it a chaotic situation? >> where i was, they went through i don't know -- it was shot kind of on our phones. people were freaking out a little bit, getting scared. didn't know what was happening. but there wasn't a huge crowd at the store at the time.
where i was. but then the workers came in and told everyone to evacuate. get out of the building. that was a little alarming. that he told us to get out. get out of the store. >> wow. >> few people that were there. in front of me. i didn't even know -- i don't know where he went. the person in there just kept going. that's what the sound were. that was the sound i was hearing when i thought it might be gunshots. there was no gunshots. it was crashing through. >> just shopping and there's a car coming through the mall. like it's a street or parking lot. would you go shopping at this mall again? >> i would. >> it's random, rare occurrence. >> i don't think i would -- yes. i don't feel it should happen again. it would be weird going back to the store. i will. i will. eventually. >> be safe out there. thank you for joining us. i really appreciate it.
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