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this sunday night the return of two cnn original series. find out the true stories of the agencies protecting the u.s. on declassified at 9:00 followed by another powerful and provocative season of "this is life" with lisa ling at 10:00 p.m. right here only on cnn. >> i'm brianna keilar live from washington with a special edition of cnn "right now." president trump is on a scorched earth mission to discredit the person behind that whistle-blower complaint, but perhaps in an attempt to mitigate legal fallout his own administration is corroborating most of the critical report. a senior white house official confirmed for cnn for the first time officials did indeed direct the ukraine transcript to be filed in a separate highly
classified system amid these allegations that that amounts to a cover-up. that admission matches almost verbatim what is in the whistle-blower complaint which goes to say, "one white house official described this act as an abuse of this electronic system because the call did not contain anyone remotely sensitive from a national security perspective." all of this as house speaker nancy pelosi is narrowing the impeachment inquiry to focus on ukraine with democrats pushing for a vote as soon as next month. president trump signaling how he plans to fight this telling attendees of a private event in new york this is war. >> so the whistle-blower came out and said nothing. said a couple of people told me he had a conversation with ukraine. we're in a war. these people are sick. >> with me now, cnn senior white house correspondent pamela brown. pamela explain further how these
officials are explaining where these were stored? >> a white house official acknowledged a key graph of the whistle-blower was accurate. in a statement it said nfc lawyers directed the classified document, talking about the transcript between zelensky and trump, be handled appropriately. what the white house is saying according to the senior official is, yes. nsc lawyers directed it be listed in the code file, nothing wrong with it and making the argument the transcript was classified as every head of state transcript is, but, brianna, the code word system that the crypt was moved into is reserved for highly classified transcripts that include information like covert operations. it's not typically used to house classified information like a call with a head of state that
doesn't have the more sensitive layer to it as i just mentioned. we are told, brianna, the white house began to clamp down on who could see head of state calls after the leaks. president's calls with the head of mexico, with australia and with putin. it raises questions whether this was the only transcript moved there or whether there were other transcripts moved there that also didn't meet that threshold of highly classified information. it is interesting, too, that this does corroborate part of the complaint, and as you know, brianna, the president continued to go after this whistle-blower, attacking the credibility of the whistle-blower, calling the whistle-blower biased. at last check according to a senior administration official, though, the president nor the white house knows what the identity of this whistle-blower is, brianna. >> pamela brown, thank you so much. and now one of my next guests joined 300 former national security professionals in signing a letter to sound the alarm about the president's
actions with ukraine. it reads in part "if we fail to speak up and act now our foreign policy and national security will officially be an offer to those who can most effectively fulfill theerogative prerogatives." it goes on "this is serious enough to merit impeachment proceedings." and with me, a washington investigative correspondent for the "new york times," also a cnn national security analyst. jeffrey, to you first. the white house coming out and saying, yes, information was moved, but the line from the white house is that this was appropriate. so as someone who understands how these things work, explain it to us. >> sure. there are systems that the white house has to appropriately handle information of a very sensitive nature for national security purposes. i think what's most troubling about what we've seen in the whistle-blower's complaint and
what we've learned so far through your reporting and others is that this transcript seems to have been moved from one system, from one server, to another server, as a way of protecting the president's personal misconduct or protecting the president from embarrassment. not for national security reasons. one key point. these systems are designed to protect our nation's most closely-held secrets. the reason for national security that those information systems are in place and it's very unusual, in fact, unprecedented in my experience to have information moved from one system to another for other than national security or classifications reasons. >> i wonder if the white house is more comfortable trying to say, no, we do this sometimes. look, we have leaks. if they're more comfortable to explain the movement of this transcript which they say is essentially not a big deal than to discuss the content what is in the phone call is there anything to that? >> of course, it raises questions about what other calls, other transcripts, were
indeed processed and handled in this way, but as we and others reported, there were several officials listening to the call who immediately were concerned. not necessarily for classification reasons or national security issues. concerned about what the president said on the call. so inside the white house there was a worry that this was a problem. so the fact that this transcript was handled this way does raise concerns, as you said, that this was done for political reasons, besides any kind of actual national security reasons and, of course, then if other calls were processed this way, then why? >> jeffrey, this statement to cnn from the white house, the white house says national security council attorneys directed this ukraine call can transcript to be moved. you were on obama's national security council. jack quinn, former clinton white house counsel, just said that sounds so odd to him, that white house lawyers would say that
should be moved. what do you think? >> i completely agree. the white house lawyers, lawyers for the national security council of to protect the you'll of law. their job, essentially the traffic cop making sure nsc officials are following the rules and the law. it's deeply troubling these reports suggest nsc lawyers or white house lawyers were directing information to be mishandled or handled inappropriately. that raises serious red flags and real does need to be investigated. >> conducting themselves or whether or not that happened? >> both. >> talk about nancy pelosi. the speaker said that the attorney general, barr, who is mentioned in this phone call, but insists the doj does, that the president didn't actually reach out to him in the way he said he was going to in the phone call. pelosi says he's gone rog, adam schiff has little confidence the doj will be able to investigate barr or giuliani.
schiff told them he expects subpoenas and working through the recess. what are you expecting from the administration? >> one natural process of things might be that the attorney general might recuse himself from something like this. we know how the president feels about recusals of the attorney general into these matters. that's unlikely. the fact barr is mentioned directly by the whistle-blower does then raise concerns about, or questions, about just the extent that the justice department would look into it. remember, the justice department has also, barr ordered an inquiry into this whole matter involving the election in 2016 that is currently being handled by an attorney, a u.s. attorney in connecticut, john durham. there's always this ongoing doj investigation, and so it's, it appears, you know, certainly congress will try to get information from the doj, and you can see why democrats in congress would not think that barr is an honest broker in this but not expect that he was going
to recuse himself from this. >> thank you both. appreciate it. so what's going on with rudy giuliani as he faces intense heat? the president's personal lawyer now implicating the president's administration in all of this. plus, i speak live with one of the president's republican challengers for his first response, and also what he thinks about how republican lawmakers are largely dismissing this. this is cnn's special live this is cnn's special live coverage. mouth was constantly dry. it gave me bad breath. it was so embarrassing. now i take biotene dry mouth lozenges whenever i'm on the go, which is all the time. biotene dry mouth lozenges. freshen breath anytime, anywhere. biotene dry mouth lozenges. (kickstart my heart by motley crue)) (truck honks)
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the whistle-blower complaint daming president trump's july conversation with ukraine's president and alleged attempt to cover it up by the white house is front and center as congress, the public and 2020 candidates all weigh in on this nine-page complaint. one big question. where do congressional republicans stand? gop senator mitt romney called the transcript troubling. other republican senators, many of them, say they haven't read it, or they have no comment on the whistle-blower complaint. joining me now to discuss former congressman and 2020 republican presidential candidate joe walsh. joe, thanks for joining us. >> hi, brianna. good to be with you. >> congressman, first i want your reaction to this complaint and the white house now
acknowledging that officials did direct this ukraine call transcript to be filed in a separate, more highly classified system. they're clearly saying it was appropriate and confirms this was moved. is that an impeach offense in your eyes? >> absolutely, and brianna, let's pull ourselves back for a minute, because we tend to over analyze and over complicate every with this president. what have we learned this week? we learned that the president of the united states asked a foreign government to interfere in our 2020 election. that's what the american people found out this week stounding at that, right? the president asking a country to interfere in our 2020 election is the very issue that has torn this country apart for the last two or three years. russia interfering in our 2016 election, and we find out this
week that this guy in the white house asked another country to interfere in our 2020 election? brianne narcs it's impeachable. >> it's clear that this president, and this is a serious thing to say, doesn't give a damn about this country, and, brianna, this is a gut check. this is gut-check time for republicans. >> he has certainly said publicly in the abstract prior to all this coming to light this kind of thing was okay. he would do this kind of thing. now we've seen the phone call. we've seen the memo. we've seen the complaint. he doesn't still at this point, he's attacking the whistle-blower. he doesn't seem to think that there is anything the matter with all of this. >> and, again, brianna, not surprising, because to put it quite simply, we have a president who doesn't have any respect for the rule of law. he doesn't have any respect for truth, and he's got no guardrails. look, all donald trump cares
about is donald trump. and this phone call, what we learned this week makes it clear. if there's one issue, brianna, eating at this country for the last three years it's foreign interference in our election, and here's -- here's the president of the united states just a couple months ago on this call, it's quite literally like he's giving his middle finger to the american people. i don't care about that. i'm going to ask another government to interfere in our 2020 election. i dare you to come get me. he's giving the country the middle finger and republicans better understand that. >> joe, you said there are no guardrails. i think it's pretty stunning to a lot of people, because a lot of americans think there are guardrails. there are laws that government figures including the president, are supposed to operate within, and then you even look at this whistle-blower process where the doj, and william barr a part of
this complaint, and the white house, the president being at the center of this, get brought into this. this almost doesn't even go to congress. what is this revealing to you about how things maybe need to change, because there should be guardrails's shouldn't there? >> brianna, there should be guardrails and the attorney general doesn't work for donald trump. the attorney general is, works for the united states of america. and, brianna, that's interesting. you just raises what is probably the second most disturbing thing we learned this week. whistle-blowers in america should be revered. they should be praised. they should be protected. you have the president of the united states yesterday basically saying the whistle-blower is a spy and should be hung for treason. look, brianna, if i'm president i can tell you what, i believe in transparency and if a whistle-blower has a complaint, a whistle-blower should be able to take that complaint directly to congress, and i would
encourage a whistle-blower to do this. donald trump, again, acting like some sort of mob boss, he thinks everything is about him, and it's not about the country, and i'm going to be a broken record again, brianna. the republicans have to decide. this is gut-check time. are they going to defend trump or are they going to defend the rule of law? >> congressman, what about so many voters who support donald trump? i mean, what is -- not disparaging voters who support donald trump at all, but my point being, they have a point of view, they are attracted to his message enough that this other stuff we're talking about doesn't matter enough to influence that support. what sdl that tell yodoes that u about what you need to listen to from voters, you're a candidate, and what you need to be
providing voters? >> his voters, brianna, have so much invested in what he was, and i get that, because his voters are the same folks listening to me on the radio for the last six years. they're tired of both political parties. they're tired of the political system. so they said, let's put this guy in the white house and he'll shake it up and drain the swamp. i can tell you, brianna, that being out there in new hampshire and iowa and campaigning, i'm beginning to sense more and more every day his voters are fed up with the drama. they're fed up with waking up every single day and there's another trump scandal or issue in the news. they're just tired with it. i actually think, brianna, his voters are going to move before congressional republicans will. it will take some time. >> it might take that for congressional republicans to move indeed.
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the president's personal attorney is a central figure in the whistle-blower complaint against the president. he's insisting he was directed by the state department to meet with ukrainian officials tweeting out text messages he claims are from the u.s. envoy to ukraine. here's how rudy giuliani responded to reports the secretary of state mike pompeo is angry at him for inserting himself into state department business. >> in fact, i'm a legitimate whistle-blower. i have behave uncover eed a cov that's been going on for years. mike if you're unhappy with me, i'm sorry but i accomplished my mission and i have no idea if he's unhappy with me or not and frankly don't care. i'm the president's lawyer. >> let's talk now with michael smerconish, cnn political
commentator and host of cnn "smerconish." what do you make of this? the president's personal lawyer is pointing a finger back at the president's administration? >> so rudy giuliani has been portrayed in a lot of this thus far as a rogue agent. in the complaint, the whistle-blower uses the word "circumvention" to describe concerns he was hearing from others about rudy giuliani's role. now giuliani responds and shows these texts. one of which is thanking him for his involvement and comes from someone named volker, our special representative to ukraine. the point giuliani wants us to realize he was very much on the team and acting at the behest of the state department. i look at that and say to myself, okay. mr. volker, one more person whose testimony will probably come out in the wash that we will hear from before this whole process runs its course. >> the reporting out of the volker camp is basically that
they have rudy giuliani running amok and they're trying to contain him and he's the president's personal lawyer. so they're being nice how they talk to him? >> it could be that, but then again it could be because he's so close to the president that he's given deference and they rely on his connection to the president to run interference. i mean, i looked at the text and looked at the complaint. it's hard to square the two of them without taking testimony from each of them. >> let's talk about how this is playing outside the beltway. outside of the coast here. and let's talk also how this is playing on fox news. let's listen to geraldo rivera just this morning. >> so it's going to be the president of the united states in a conversation intercepted by a rotten snitch i'd love to whop him, that's another story. imagine this president his whole tenure in office marked by snitches, rats and back stabbers
and it's amazing how he functions at all. >> this is, of course, what the president is listening to. what, though, do the president's supporters, maybe people who voted for president trump, but you know, they're not so sure what are they thinking, michael? >> so in the olc legal opinion, you get into the weeds brianna in a hurry in this case. there'sali alit lot something f everybody. a reference made to this indisia of political bias on the part of the whistle-blower. to your point, the president's supporters i'm sure when we get a look at this individual will say, uh-huh, political bias. then you read the next sentence, it says, nevertheless, was deemed to be krcredible. detractor of the president, it's a credible individual. my gut check is, and i know cnn has not yet squared away the reporting as to who exactly this person was and what their job was, but commonsensically i say
if it was someone working in the intel community given access to the white house, it's not like they talked a talk radio show off the street. vetted to? get their gig and seemingly will have credibility. although in the complaint acknowledges much of this is hearsay. relying on the reports of others. so i think there's a lot of testimony that needs to be taken before we really can look at evidence and know what it is. i know there's a rush. people want to weigh in and know immediately which way it cuts. i just think it's premature. >> just to your point, though, michael, about hearsay, because we always want to be careful about, did this person actually see the phone call? no, they didn't. but when you read what the whb hb sa whistle-blower said about the phone call it matches the memo. almost reads as if they did read the transcript. >> to your point, when you look
at the whistle-blower complaint, i've not heard anyone thus far say, uh-huh. take a look at what was stated in it, and's it's incorrect. i mean, i guess mayor giuliani would say well they accused me of circumvention and i was circumstance come veening anything, but you're right. the whistle-blower apparently didn't hear, see the transcript of that call. i just reread the paragraphs. they really are an uncanny match for what we did find in the transcript. >> yeah. michael, thank you so much. michael smerconish. >> thank you. and be sure to watch "smerconish" saturday mornings at 9:00 eastern only on cnn. speaker pelosi says attorney general bill barr has "gone rogue." new details about when the justice department first learned of the whistle-blower's allegations.
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allegations more than a week before the inspector general's official referral. the "new york times" reports that the white house also became aware of it at that time. i want to turn now to mary mccord, acting assistant attorney general for national security. she led the early stages of the trump russia probe before special counsel was appointed, and you, mary, are now legal director for the institute for constitutional advocacy and protection at georgetown university law center. thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> so, i mean, i'm curious about this timing, but first i want to ask you, just about the determination of doj lawyers, that this complaint did not reach the standard required to send it to congress. first let's talk about the idea of this not having to do with intelligence activities. what is your read on that? >> well, certainly michael atkinson, the inspector general
of the intelligence community, felt it did fall within that definition, and certainly sometimes on difficult legal issues reasonable minds can differ including reasonable legal minds including those of the department of justice lawyers at the office of legal counsel. those lawyers wrote the opinion that the complaint, the topic of the complaint, did not involve the funding or administration of intelligence activities and the subject of the complaint, that being the president, was not a member of the intelligence community. it was a very, i would say sort of technical reading of the words of the statute to say that this is not something that is within dni, is the director of national symbol ens intelligence's purview and requirement to send to congress. mr. atkinson disagreed, persistent and continued to ask for guidance so it could get to congress, he felt it was important to get to congress and asked for guidance from the
director of national intelligence on how to ensure that this report would get to congress. >> does this complaint warrant a criminal investigation, in your view? >> so reading the complaint in combination with then reading the memo that was released, i guess it was yesterday, that is sort of a rough transcript of the call, the rough transcript itself i think is indicative enough to warrant further investigation. at least based on my experience 20 years as a federal prosecutor and three more years over at the national security division. there are several, indications of several different types of crimes, not just campaign finance violations but also bribery and gratuities, and so i was surprised to learn and i still have friends and colleagues i rep very, very highly at the department of justice and i don't want to guess what their legal rationale might have been because we haven't seen it in writing. all we've done is heard from
justice officials through their spokesperson i guess that they determined not to go further with the investigation, and that did surprise me. >> do you worry that those lawyers are in a tough spot here? and that they could be influenced? >> i certainly think that there are lawyers in a tough spot at the department of justice. certainly career lawyer whose have made, you know, years and in many cases decades out of doing criminal investigations and doing other investigations, national security investigations. i think that these people are of utmost integrity and would stick by their viewpoints but ultimately report up within the chain to political appointees and so the political appointees do ultimately have the final say on matters like this. >> very good point. mary mccord, thank you so much. >> thank you. president trump making threatening comments and accusing the whistle-blower of treason. we're going to talk about the impact of his war on u.s.
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>> porn addiction isn't a medically recognized disease but hundreds of thousands claim it is real and turning to these sites. >> people from every continent across the planet. impacts christians, atheists, muslims, democrats, republicans. if you're a human being and have access to the intervette net you can absolutely get addicted to porn. >> reporter: alex is emphatic it can happy to anyone, 95% of abusers are men t. does happen to young men more often than any other group i would say. i think the most vulnerable demographic is males between the ages of 8 to 14. >> lisa ling joining me now from new york. lisa that is -- i don't even know what to say about that. 8 to 14 males. that is so young. >> we interviewed a group of young men and they all said the first time they were exposed to pornography is when they were 8
years old. even if your child doesn't have a device in his or her possession if they have access to one, which most kids do these days, there's a possibility even if you have really stringent filters on your devices, that they will be able to access pornography. as you saw, if you just put a couple of words into google they don't even have to be particularly lascivious words. it's sometimes shocking what comes up and if a kid is unable to process that, this is the first time they're seeing images of sex, it could affect them for the rest of their lives. >> and's pornography's been around for so long, but there's something about this age, this age that we're in, this information age, that is making this such an exponentially bigger problem. >> there's just so much out there and it's so accessible. at the tip of our fingertips we can access an an limited amount of information. that's the thing. in this critical stage of life,
critical stage of brain development, it can really alter how young people perceive sex and even relationships, the opposite sex, the same sex, based on what they've been exposed to, and so parents need to really wake up and start to think about having conversations with their kids. you know, we interview an adult film star in our episode and she's on a mission to tell people that what they're seeing is adult entertainment, and when you click on this stuff, you don't see that before cameras started rolling there was a negotiation about comfortability, about consent, and so we as parents, our culture, we immedianeed to educ kids how to be more literate about porn. >> working to correct the negative perceptions that porn spreads. so i know that is something that really we're going to want to
tune in to and see. i'm curious to see what they said. i do want to ask, this is one of the projects you've been working on. what else do you have in store for this season? >> like every other season we have a hugely diverse pallet of shows this season. our second episode is about a class of doctor prescribed medications benzodiazepine. they include sal yuvalium and o. if you haven't taken these drugs you probably know someone who does or has been taking them for long periods of time and these are medications if taken improperly, taken for an extended period of time could do some very serious damage, and they could be very, very dangerous. so i hope people tune in for that and embed with police officers and profile female marines going through training
alongside male counterparts and embed with the nypd counterterrorism department to see how terrorism evolved over the years. >> really pulling back the curtain. lisa ling, thank you for joining us. check out your new season "this is life" premiering at 10:00 p.m. only here on cnn. a 12-year-old virginia girl is traumatized after three of her white classmates pinned her down and cut some of her dreadlocks off. >> they just -- >> grabbed her -- >> hair was longer. >> oh, yeah. and then the back of it was in the middle of her back, and they cut all of these. >> fairfax county police say they are now investigating this attack against amari allen that happened monday at emanuel christian school in springfield, virginia, a suburbs of washington, d.c. allen is a sixth great grader who knows the three boys who approached her on the school's playground.
>> one of them pulled my hands behind my back, one put their hands over my mouth and one cut my hair. >> so they were saying, like, my hair was ugly. nappy. they were saying i don't deserve to live. i shouldn't have been born. along those lines. >> i was feeling pretty traumatized but i felt compassion for them because i felt from think point of view something happened to them that made them want to do this. >> i've devastated, because, number one, i didn't know that these things still exist. we are in 2019. they attacked her as who god created her to be, as a young lady of color. >> school officials say that all of the students involved including allen are not attending classes during this investigation. the school says it is "deeply disturbed by the allegations" adding emanuel has a zero tolerance policy for bullying and abuse.
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we are learning more now about the timeline for the impeachment investigation. house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff is moving quickly. he's now talking about hearings, subpoenas, depositions that will be coming soon. i want to get right to capitol hill and senior congressional correspondent manu raju. when can we expect these things? >> very soon. adam schiff told me today he wants to move, in his words, "as expeditiously as possible." i asked, do you plan to have a hearing next week? he said, we are planning on having a hearing next week and he also said expect subpoenas to come out and also said expect to bring witnesses forward for depositions. a lot of it depends on how witnesses cooperate.
we've seen house republicans, trying to get the administration to comply with document requests. i asked how will you deal with potential stonewalling from the white house? could be more evidence of obstruction of the congress and began impeachment for president nixon and could potentially be for president trump. he plans to push forward quickly and when congress is on recess the house intelligence committee in session. a number of members plan to cancel their events in their districts to come back for what could be a very eventful couple of weeks, including potentially interviewing the whistle-blower, potentially bringing others forward who may have witnessed how that whistle-blower complaint was handled. the question ultimately will be what did they glean and how quickly they will move.
democrats want to move on articles of impeachment sometime this fall drnlg. >> did he name names? >> i asked specifically. he declined to comment. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. welcome to the special edition of "the lead." the white house in crisis. i'm jake tapper and the biggest development today top democrats in the house earlier today laying out their plans to when and how they will move forward with the impeach inquiry into president trump. house intelligence committee chairman adam chef tells cnn he's preparing to move as expeditiously as possible and his committee is preparing for hearings as soon as next week. the house goes on recess two weeks but members of the house intelligence committee leading the impeach investigation have been told to be prepared to return to washington, d.c. sources are also detailing how quickly dts