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caught red handed trying to solicit foreign interference in the 2020 election. by pressuring a foreign leader to target joe biden, an american citizen for political gain. >> "cnn newsroom" starts now. hello everyone, thank you for joining me this sunday. i'm fredricka whitfield. we start with a dramatic new development in the impeachment inquiry into president trump and the pressure mounting. house intel chairman adam schiff is vowing to act your gently after nurnsing there's a tentative agreement for the anonymous whistle-blower to testify before congress and it could happen as early as this week. >> all that needs done is make sure attorneys that represent the whistle-blower get the clearances they need to accompany the whistle-blower's testimony and figure out the logistics to protect the identity of the whistle-blower. that's our paramount concern.
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this whistle-blower has done a cardinal service to the country by exposing wrongdoing of the most serious kind, a breach of the president's duty to the country that endangers our security and has to be worried about his own security with the president issuing threats like he did. >> sources tells cnn that special envoy to the ukraine kurt volker plans to appear before three congress educational committees this week. let's go to sara westwood at the white house. what's the reaction been like from the white house on these developments? >> reporter: the white house is still questioning the motives of the whistle-blower as adam schiff there's a tentative agreement. schiff said that whatever agreement goes forward a that whistle-blower's identity will be protected under what the committee is negotiating right now.
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also, cnn reported earlier this week that the lawyers for the whistle-blower are trying to get appropriate security clearances to accompany the whistle-blower to that testimony and that's something that's being worked out right now between obi and the committee schiff saying he's waiting for acting intelligence director joseph maguire to authorize those clearance. steven miller accused the unnamed whistle-blower of attempting to undermine president trump's administration. take a listen. >> the president is the whistle-blower here. the president of the united states is the whistle-blower. this individual a saboteur trying to undermine a democratically elected government. >> i don't know who the individual is. all i know at some point, chris, we have to focus on the real scandal which is three years of deep state -- >> reporter: now a source
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familiar tells cnn discussions between the whistle-blower team and committee are still ongoing but that testimony could happen very soon. this comes as house democrats are ramping up the pressure from the administration to turn over documents to make people available to talk about the ukraine controversy on friday, for example, secretary of state mike pompeo was subpoenaed and house democrats are also looking for depositions from senior state department officials including that former envoy to ukraine, kurt volker who is to appear before committees an soon as this week. a lot of pressure on the administration right now to divulge more about the president's contacts with ukrainian leaders. >> thank you so much. it wasn't just the white house steven miller who was sent out to defend president trump today. his personal attorney rudy giuliani once again making the rounds on the sunday talk shows pushing conspiracy theories about the bidens, democrats and hillary clinton. but president trump's former homeland security adviser tom bossert contradicted giuliani on
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air. he says giuliani is wrong when he claims ukraine not russia hacked dnc computer servers during the 2016 election. >> it's not only a conspiracy theory but debunked. last year gray wrote a piece in the hill magazine saying the three ways or five ways to impeach oneself and the third way was to hire giuliani. and at this point i am deeply frustrated with what he and the legal team is doing and repeating that debunninged theory to the president. it sticks in his mind when he hears it over and over again and for clarity let me just again repeat that it has no validity. >> with me now is a former spokesperson for the justice department under president trump and a cnn political analyst. good to see you. so, how stunning, alarming, you
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know, shocking, staggering is it to hear in your view of bossert's point of view on this? >> i think tom bossert represent as good chunk of what all republicans are thinking of the elected republicans and former administration officials which is there's certainly something concerning here. the real divide is and set aside the giulianis of the world is whether that something is illegal at this point, or just improper but not illegal, and when we look at the polls on this, voters themselves are quite divided, although among republicans we're starting to see an uptick in that number. democrats of course not divided, very clear. independents about 50-50. so that's where i think this battle is going to be. was it improper bullet, or will there be more to come out? will there be the quote-unquote smoking gun on the quid pro quo with ukraine.
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>> bossert said it may be difficult to prove that the president was abusing his power although you mention a lot of people think it was improper. many republicans say it's curious and disturbing. do you agree it will be a difficult one to prove or is the material there to be uncovered? >> if you look back at what happened during watergate it really wasn't the senate hearings and the select committee on watergate that really made the case. it was members of nixon's own administration. remember it was john dean who had been saying this went to the very top and then eventually mr. butterfield who exposed the existence of the secret recordings that were happening. >> you have the house speaker this is the cover-up of the cover-up. >> what democrats need to do is try not to overplay their hand. find actual evidence. and i think they've done a decent job of it. nancy pelosi in particular has been very careful in all of this. and then i think you see things
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like adam schiff where, you know, we had that parity of the phone call which is undermining democrats and i bet he got the call from nancy pelosi saying let's play this straight. don't make this a parity. >> evidence can come by way of testimony and giuliani has given contradictory answers today. just happened today when asked repeatedly if he would testify if subpoenaed by congress. take a listen. >> i wouldn't cooperate with adam schiff. i think adam schiff should be removed. if they remove adam schiff and put in a neutral person, a democrat who hasn't expressed an opinion yet, if i had a judge in a case and he had already announced i'm going to impeach, if he went ahead and did a whole false episode wouldn't i move to recuse that judge. >> you're not going to cooperate. >> i didn't say that. i said i would consider it. >> you said you wouldn't cooperate -- >> i said i would consider it. i have to be guided by my
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client. i'm a lawyer. its his privilege not mine. if he decides he wants me to testify of course i'll testify. >> does he sound like he believes his testimony could potentially be incriminating evidence? >> i think rudy giuliani sounds like he sounded for the last part of this administration, which is someone who the president probably shouldn't be having on tv representing him. but -- >> but he's a former prosecutor also who is -- >> absolutely. >> essentially saying he's not -- without saying it outright he's essentially saying that he's waiting for permission from the president in order, to whether to comply to any potential subpoena that would come. that would be outrageous if a witness were to do that as a puerto rico but he seems very comfortable saying that today. one has to wonder if he's worried that i had testimony will, indeed, be incriminating evidence. is that what you were hearing from him. >> considering rudy giuliani has been on every tv show and he's
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the one who originally said of course president talked to ukraine about joe biden no i would not assume anything. rudy giuliani was the one who came out first and said it. i wouldn't make any assumptions what you think rudy giuliani has or doesn't have evidence of. what i think his bigger misunderstanding is, impeachment is not a legal proegd. it's not a judge. the chief justice of the supreme court sits in the senate during the impeachment trial but impeachment fundamentally is a political decision, made by the legislature and that's how the system was set up. it's supposed to be political. the standard is political not legal. and the sooner rudy giuliani accepts that i think it might change their strategy. >> democrats are questioning whether the attorney general william barr is fit for the job given that he has, his name has appeared in that whistle-blower complaint. listen. >> i do think the attorney
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general has gone rogue. curious he would make decisions how the complaint is handled. >> could william barr recuse himself as to any investigation as it relates to this whistle-blower complaint? >> i doubt that. i'm not sure what he would recuse himself from. there's no as far as i know department of justice investigation into the president's conversation. when the whistle-blower complaint was sent to the department of justice, the office -- the criminal division declined to look into campaign finance violations that might have been there. legally speaking and i've worked a lot of campaign financing. i think that's right. nancy pelosi would have to be talking about something more specific that the department of justice would need to be doing. >> he's accused of playing a role in down playing the urgency
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that was spelled out in the complaint, not allowing, being a party to it, not going through the proper channels. >> what would he recuse himself from if there's no investigation. here you have legal counsel saying it didn't meet the statutory definition of urgent. you can disagree with that decision. it's been made and done. so she will need to point to something that he would recuse himself from. >> thank you for being with us. next, new reporting that president trump's state department has stepped up its investigation of hillary clinton's email. hear how the administration is defending its actions. plus hillary clinton herself speaking out the defend joe biden. why she says people should get over the accusations that he's been a little too touchy feeley with women in the past. yeah, yeah! when accidents happen, resolve them. resolve urine destroyer removes urine stains and neutralizes odors on contact.
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antennas. here's what we know. these 130 people, as many as 130 people were not just senior u.s. officials but also include some lower level officials as well. they were contacted by the state department investigators and told that emails they had sent years ago were retroactively classified and, therefore, they were potentially security violations. now given the timing of this, given the fact this was ramping up in august when this whistle-blower report was circulating, this report coming out days after democrats launched a formal impeachment inquiry, this has a lot of people saying that this is political. now i want to read you a couple of quotes. this is from a former u.s. official. he called the probe telling the post it was an obscene abuse of power and time involving so many people for so many years. this has just sucked up people's lives for years and years.
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another senior u.s. official telling the post that for republicans to keep the clinton email issue alive, this is an excuse for republicans to keep the clinton email issue alive. but as you said state department officials telling the post they were just following protocol. we have one of their statements up here. it says this has nothing to do with who is in the white house. the this is about the time it took to go through millions of emails which is about three and a half years. of course, fred, this is incredibly polarizing issue. an issue president trump just brought up again last week when he was sitting next to the ukrainian president and one that doesn't seem to be going away. we'll have to see how this one plays out. thank you. ron brownstein is back with us. this is a controversy that the trump administration can't seem to let go. the president called it a great
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crime while speaking as recently as last week and then, of course, as kristen underscored depending who you speak to at the state department it's either protocol or abuse of power for political gain. how will this look either way? >> the backdrop i think is critical. as you noted you have some depth officials saying look this is protocol. it took a long time. think about the context in which this is coming forward. coming forward at a moment precisely when the president is face an impeachment inquiry over evidence not just the accusation but evidence that he deployed vast power of the federal government to try to pressure a foreign leader to dig up dirt on a political opponent. >> not just reporting. this is a pattern. this is a trend. >> right. we have the andrew mccabe case, justice department, lindsey graham calling for a special prosecutor on hunter biden and joe biden even,000 have ukrainian officials repeatingly
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saying there's nothing improper. yes i think that's how this will be widely perceived as part of a pattern of the administration deploying the federal government against their political opponents and adversaries and that is in many ways kind of, one of the ultimate fears that took office with donald trump that they would do this sort of thing and here we are, you know, in the summer, late summer, early fall of 2019 with multiple examples piling up. >> let's talk about the democrats in the race to the white house. this new cnn showing joe biden way ahead in south carolina. 21 point ahead of elizabeth warren. that's largely because of support from black voters. so why aren't the other candidates able to gain traction and how is it biden continues to maintain that kind of lead there? >> it's a critical question and this poll is an important one
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for this reason. you know we have seen some patterns develop already in the democratic race. people say it seems early. one groove is elizabeth warren is running very well with college educated white voters, well educated usually liberal white voters. she's ahead by double digits among college educated voters. national polls show her 12 to 15 points ahead. in states like iowa and new hampshire the predominantly white with a lot of, particularly in new hampshire that's enough to win. these two polls is it's not enough to win every where. you have to make some inroads among working class blue collar workers and nonwhite voters. some national polls last week that suggested elizabeth warren was starting to gain traction in the african-american community. this south carolina poll is a cold slap in the face. it does set up the possibility that warren may, in fact, be
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able to win iowa, may be able to win new hampshire and the critical question in the race is whether joe biden can hold that african-american support and win south carolina in which case we would have a long grinding struggle for the nomination. >> back to hillary clinton but on the subject of joe biden, she actually is defending biden when she was asked about criticism of his interactions with women. take a listen to what she had to say. >> people who are putting themselves forward with, believe me, is a really difficult process to undergo, should be judged on the totality of their lives and service and we can pick apart anybody. i mean that's a great spectator sport. but this man who is there in the oval office right now poses a clear and present danger to the future of the u.n. get over it. look at the candidate. look at what they accomplished. look what they fought for.
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vote for anybody to get rid of donald trump. >> so is there any risk that comes, you know, with that point of view, especially in this, you know, day of, you know, a clearer consciousness of issues as it seems to women. men's actions against women, et cetera. >> you gynecologist to separate it into two coordination. in the primary it is striking. some of the grooves are being cut. differences by age, biden is older. warren is opposite by ideology. by education levels. and by race. one thing we've not seen in the demonstrate primary so far is not a gender gap. not a lot of difference in support for leading candidates. that's critical because women are now nearly, be about 60% of all the voters in the democratic primary. and if anyone -- if there is a gender gap it could be divisive. in the general election, i don't think this will be, if joe biden
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is the nominee this is a problem for him. donald trump is looking at historically high disapproval numbers among african-american women and college educated white women and best group he had among women in 2016 were those working class, blue collar white women. he has suffered significant erosion among them. he's not nearly as strong among those women as he was in 2016 particularly in the rust belt states, that tipped the last election. i'm not sure he can make a case, you know, to them about joe biden based on his behavior if he gets there. the larger question would be whether to me, whether elizabeth warren with this very progressive agenda can run as well among those working class white women some of whom we saw in 2016 were somewhat resistant to the idea of a woman as president. >> always good to see you. thank you. house democrats say the whistle-blower at the center of the ukraine controversy could testify in front of lawmakers as
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congress is gearing up for what could be a tumultuous week on capitol hill. adam schiff is vowing to act your gently. he now says there's a tentative agreement for the anonymous whistle-blower to testify before congress and that could happen as soon as this week. joining me right now is texas congressman vincente gonzalez who serves on the foreign affairs committee. what your hoping to learn from this whistle-blower if, indeed, this person was the before your committee? >> well, we absolutely need to get to the bottom of it. we can't just make a decision on the redacted information that we got from the administration which i was even shocked we received that much. but let's begin with the last democratic members to sign on to
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this payment inquiimpeachment i. it's a clear violation of federal law. you got to remember the law says that if there's a credible and urgent whistle-blower report such as this the inspector general has a duty to investigate, he has 14 days under the law to investigate and then he must give this report to the director of intelligence, which he did and the the director of intelligence has seven days laund and he must the turn over this information to the committee of intelligence in the united states congress and this is not happening. this is a clear breach of federal law. this is factual. this is not theoretical. we need to get to the bottom of it. we need to learn everything this whistle-blower has information that he has and maybe others who he's talked to. so we need to get to the bottom of this idea that donald trump's own inspector general was alarmed by it. >> interesting, congressman, some of your colleagues namely congressman jim jordan is
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disputing much of what you just said saying, you know, there are no facts, that the phone call was fine, there were no laws broken, even going -- >> that's absolutely not true. >> to discredit the whistle-blower by saying the whistle-blower's complaint is based on hearsay. so do you believe that that argument -- >> this whistle-blower -- >> undermines the appearance if it comes to that the appearance. >> that's ridiculous. >> which one is ridiculous. >> absolutely ridiculous and an insult to the intelligence committee. the fact that he's trying to debunk a report from a whistle-blower whose not some guy off the street. this is an american intelligence officer who has been vetted to no end. this is as credible as you can get. >> do you know it's an intelligence officer? >> this is the information that has been reported to us that it was a cia analyst at the white house. >> there have been people who said that but that hasn't been
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confirmed. >> we'll have -- it was somebody at the white house. you know, from all the information that i've gathered i feel pretty comfortable it is. i can't wait the to have a finality of it but i believe it is. at the very minimum someone in trump's white house that made this, filed this complaint and his own inspector general gave this high credibility and said, okay this, is classified as urgent, and credible. and this is donald trump's inspector general, and he then did went through the process and handed it over to the director of national intelligence. >> what would you ask this whistle blower if indeed this person is to testify this week? >> well i would want to know the complete -- everything that was talked about in this conversation. i'm sure he knows about it. i want to know what he was told because i hear that some of this information that may be from third parties. we want to know who they are and what they told him and maybe
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bring them in and have a conversation with them. this is not a democratic or republican issue. this is an american issue. this is something that every red blooded patriotic american cares about. trying to attack joe biden, the president knowing that this is the person who will unseat him in 2020 and he's the front-runner in the democratic field and only person that donald trump sees as a viable candidate to defeat him november 2020 and that's why he's on the attack. >> then congressman potentially this week the former special envoy to ukraine, kurt volker, could be testifying before three congressional committees. he resigned a day after, you know, details of this complaint were made. >> very interesting. >> what do you believe he could bring to this investigation, this inquiry? >> well, i would be speculate field goal i told you what i think he would bring. certainly his resignation is very telling and clearly he has
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something to say that i think is very important to the american people and the united states congress. so we need to bring him in. we need to talk to others that have information that maybe we don't know about yet. the witnesses who are going to be coming forward can give us other names and more information and we need to have a very methodical way of guesting to the bottom -- >> do you believe at a minimum, do you believe he'll be able to answer as to whether it was the secretary of state mike pompeo who may have given a directive to the personal attorney rudy giuliani to interact with ukraine, to visit or whether it was the president of the united states, do you believe -- >> i believe so. >> do you believe kurt volker will have that kind of information and divulge? >> i believe so. he certainly has a duty as an american to divulge and let the congress and american people know all the facts surrounding the issue that we're investigating. and, you know, this is not a vote for impeachment or an impeachment hearing.
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this is an inquiry, it's an investigation. getting to the bottom of it. the american people want to know. >> congressman, thank you so much. thank you. next we'll take you live to ukraine to see how officials who worked with that state department official kurt volker are reacting to his resignation.
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hello primo. this week sources tells cnn former u.s. special envoy for ukraine is expected to appear before three congress educational committees. kurt volker is expected to be deposed by intelligence oversight and reform and foreign affairs committee but remains unclear if his deposition will be made public. meantime we're now getting reaction from ukraine about kurt volker's recent departure. matthew chance is in kiev. matthew, what more are you learning? >> reporter: the ukraines say
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they are not happy that volume has resigned. he was a key figure, remember in the flow of aid and military assistance and financial assistance from the united states to ukraine. of course he was the u.s. special representative to the country so there have been various individuals here, particularly a presidential aide who said he had deep regret about the resignation when he heard about it. there's been some reaction that's been coming out in the past few minutes on nation television here. that same presidential aid, andriy yermak, saying what it means for ukraine saying they see the united states as a strategic partner. but what happens there in terms of the political crisis, these are the words of andriy yermak, its their internal political cuisine, the translation we got, whatever is happening in the united states is the internal affairs of that country and we don't necessarily want to get
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involved in it. remember they are sort of overriding national security concern of the ukrainians is to make sure they've got a good working relationship with the incumbent u.s. president, with president trump but also with any upcoming administration. very aware of the fact there's an election in 2020 and don't want to poison any relationship with the democrat, maybe joe biden who becomes the next u.s. president. they are mindful of that. so dependent is the country on u.s. strategic backing when it comes to the conflict in the east, position of military aid but diplomatic campaign that ukraine has been engaged into the regain some control, regain some say over the territory of incriminata that was annexed by russia in 2014. song diplomatic backing for that. this crisis has sucked ukraine in and plunged it into a crisis
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of its own and a lot of concerns now about what impact this is going to have on ukraine and its relationship with the united states. it feels they are walking a political tight rope between the democrats and republicans in this divisive partisan battle which is unfolding in the u.s. >> all right, matthew chance in kiev. thank you. next, an nypd officer shot and killed in the bronx as he investigated gang activity. we'll explain what happened and how he is being remembered. [ orchestral music playing ]
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the new york police department is mourning the death of an officer. brian mckean died after investigating gang activity in the bronx. >> reporter: this is tragic. around 12:30 this morning the officer was patrolling an area of the bronx that has been plagued recently with gang activities and shootings so he and two other officers were in the area, got out of their vehicle to question someone they thought was suspicious.
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when they got out of their car this man started running so they chased him. that's when nypd says a violent struggle followed between the officer and the suspect and shots were fired. the officer was struck three times. five other police officers fired at the suspect and the suspect died. nypd says this suspect did have a weapon on him but that weapon did not fire. here's what the police chief said. >> at this point it does not appear that the perpetrator's gun was the one that was fired. the officer's gun fired five times. at this point we're not sure who fired the officer's gun. >> there are a lot of questions that still have to be answered here but still all together extremely sad. >> terrible. thank you so much. still ahead, we hear from voters about what they think of this impeachment inquiry, plus lisa joins me with her
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this sunday, lisa ling is back with a new season of this is life. in the first episode, she's taking on another taboo topic. online porn and how it's affecting an entire generation's perceptions of sex. here's a preview. >> porn addiction isn't a medically recognized disease, but hundreds of thousands of people claim it is real. and are turning to sites like no
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sap. >> we have people from ef continent across the planet. it impablgts christians, atheists, republicans, democrats. if you're a human being and you have access to the internet, you can become addicted to porn. >> though alex is emphatic this can happen to anyone, he tells me 90% of users are men. >> it happens to young men more than any other group. i think the most vulnerable demographic is males between the ages of 8 to 14. >> joining me now, host of this is life, lisa ling. 8 to 14, lisa? what can parents do you know to protect their kids from seeing this in first place? getting engaged in it and addicted as your guest said could happen. >> yes, fred, that was the reaction that i had when i heard 8 to 14. we're talking about very b, very young boys, but when you think about it these day, most kids have access to mobile devices.
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and even a few have strict filters on your phone, just putting a couple of words into google will yield some pretty eye opening results so what i'm suggesting to parents is to start having conversations with them. when they are really young, start having conversations about the anatomy and how things work and also communicate to them if they have access to devices, which most do, if they see things that are confusing or disturbing, that they can come and talk to you about it and they should. it's really, really important that we as parents play a role in our kid's digital lives because again, even with strict filters, there are things they can access and there's just such an aban bun dance of graphic material that's available to kids online. >> so how is it that online porn has become such a problem? is it an issue of it's being
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marketed to young people? they get engaged in it and don't really know before next thyou know, they're hooked. >> i don't know that it's being marketed to kids. we interview an adult film star who is actually on a mission to try and xhcommunicate to people that there's a lot they donsee n they come across pornography. there's a whole discussion about consent and comfortablety before the cameraing roll. but again, it's just so easily accessible and for kids in particular, if they don't really know what they're seeing, right, given how much material is out there, it can have an impact on thechl. the way they per sex, relationship, the subpoeopposit same sex forever. once you see something, particularly something really graphic, it's impossible to erase that, so it can have an impact on them for a very long time. if you talk to pediatricians, they'll probably tell you parents are coming in saying
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what do we do, our kids have had access to porn. >> i thank you so much. and again, don't miss the premier episode of this is life with lisa ling tonight at 10:00 eastern only on cnn. and this breaking news. man hunt is underway for four inmate who is escaped and ohio jail by overpowering two guards with homemade weapons say officials. >> at approximately 12:14 a.m., four male inmates overpowered two female corrections officers with a homemade weapon at the county jail. four inmates were successful in forcing a secured door and they escaped from our facility. >> authorities say the four inmates stole the keys to a jail employee's car and drove about one block wawawaaway where anotr was waiting for them. they believe at least one person aided in their escape and that
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