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represents the original whistle-blower, the man who are woman whose complaint kick started the inquiry that is well under way this weekend. if what the attorney says is true the second whistle-blower offers something different, actual firsthand knowledge of what the president said to ukraine's leaders. and that it backs up the original that president trump tried to get a foreign country to find something incriminating on an opponent. the second whistle-blower is not welcome news for the administration. it just adds to the mounting pressure on capitol hill as house committees want to see documents from the secretary of state, from the vice president, and from the white house. also today word from the u.s. department of energy that secretary rick perry both supported and encouraged president trump to make that july phone call to ukraine. but for a different reason, it says. that's the call in which
president trump admits he brought up joe biden and his son. okay, staying with me here? back to the second reported whistle-blower. we just got confirmation today. already officials who are standing with the president are shrugging it off as no big deal. lindsey graham tweeting when it comes to more whistle-blowers coming forward i've seen this movie before with brett kavanau kavanaugh. more and more doesn't mean better or reliable. official response from the white house to reports of the second whistle-blower from press secretary stephanie grisham. it doesn't matter how many people decide to call themselves whistle-blowers about the same telephone call, a call the president already made public, it doesn't change the fact he has done nothing wrong. senior justice correspondent evan perez joins us. the white house dismissing this reported second whistle-blower as nothing to see here. even trying to compare this to
the kavanaugh accusations. >> yeah, look, this is far different from the cave now accusations. you have here now someone who by their claims through their lawyer says they have firsthand knowledge of what went on with the ukrainian president. here is this. the other thing the release of the transcript by the white house shows you that what the whistle-blower was raising questions about and concerns about are right there. we know from the text messages being exchanged by some diplomats including the ukrainian ambassador the ambassador that they perceive, some of the people who work with the president including rudy giuliani and what they were doing was pressuring the ukrainians by with holding aid
in exchange for an investigation that would end up helping the president's campaign. you have a lot of information that has essentially corroborated what the whistle-blower was saying. this is far different from anything else we've seen. >> and so because there's already this information talk to us more about what this second whistle-blower could add to the case. >> here is the thing. the whistle-blower says not only do they have firsthand knowledge. they've already spoken to the inspector general. one of the things with the director of national intelligence and with the justice department and with congress is that they investigated the whistle-blower's complaint and they found corroboration. they interviewed other people and so one of the things that they said is this is why they felt the whistle-blower's original complaint had credibility. it added to the reason they felt
it was an urgent concern that needed to be noticed to the intelligence communities on capitol hill. so, again, i think what this does is it propels the impeachment inquiry being done in the house and it makes it harder for the president and his allies to say there's nothing here. there's a lot of information we still need to get and i think this helps to add pressure for us to get that. >> would any trump supporter even know what this second whistle-blower has to say? how can they so confidently blow up without actually hearing it? >> that's a great point and not what they care about. i think the president's allies see this as a political issue and so getting more information is really not what they're about. they view this as a strictly political issue and they're fighting on the side of the
president to debunk what the democrats are doing. not as an issue of wrongdoing but will be fought out over the next few months before the election. >> evan perez, thank you for that reporting. here is how other republican lawmakers are responding today. first up congressman jim jordan who refused to say if it was appropriate for president trump to call on china to investigate joe biden. >> do you think it's appropriate for president trump to ask china and ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> george, do you really think he was serious thinking china is going to investigate the biden family? >> he said it right there in public. >> i think senator rubio said it a couple days ago, he's getting the press all spun up about this. this is the president who has been tougher on china than any other president. he wants to make sure china quits stealing america's intellectual property, they start abiding by international trade norms and tougher than anyone --
>> he said directly -- >> he put tariffs on china and you think he says the same guy tougher on china now thinks, oh, china is going to investigate -- he was just making a statement to underscore how wrong it is what took place with hunter biden giving the deals he got. that's all he's doing. >> the president asked china to investigate. we're not supposed to take the president at his word? >> i think senator rubio said it best. this is the president. you would think after three and a half years with the campaign and everything else you would find another way -- >> the exact same thing he said in private to the ukrainian president. >> i wish there would be the same outrage for what the president said about china, the same outrage when we saw the clinton campaign and the democratic national committee hired a foreigner who worked with russians to dig up dirt on the president -- >> shall i conclude from that you don't think it would be appropriate for the president to ask china to investigate the bidens? >> you asked me about the
statement. i don't think anyone in america really believes except people in the press and some democrats in congress really believe that the president of the united states thinks china is going to investigate -- he's making a statement. >> he's asking for it and the president hasn't said he's joking. he said a very direct statement. he wasn't smiling or laughing. it wasn't a joke. >> you don't think this president has been the toughest president on china? you don't think this president wants to make sure china starts abiding by international trade norms, the theft of intellectual property? i mean, okay, you can think that. >> i'm asking if you think it's appropriate for the president to ask china to investigate. >> i think he's saying what's on the minds of so many americans. >> that's not what i'm asking. >> how does the vice president's son get a billion dollars from a bank, a subsidiary of the bank of china, how does he get that deal a couple weeks after he flies on air force two to china? he says it in the way he says it but i don't think it's, oh,
china go and investigate. >> it's not true and the chinese have denied it as well. >> is it appropriate for the president to ask china to investigate joe biden? >> i think he has you all spun up. i don't think he really meant go investigate. do you think china is going to investigate him? >> i don't know if china will investigate him. >> we know they're not. we know they're not, george, come on. >> why can't you answer yes or no, do you think it's appropriate? >> i don't think that's what he did. >> but it was right there on camera. >> well, republican senator ron johnson sat down for an interview today and it seemed like he had some cleanup to do after telling "the wall street journal" earlier this week an official told him there was a quid pro quo with ukraine. senator johnson's cleanup strategy deflect. >> he had this false narrative that resulted in him being set
up by james comey. then he has hampered his entire administration and now once he's been -- that was proven false, he would like to know, and i would like to know and i know his supporters would like to know where did this all come from? who planted that false story? >> senator -- >> i have my third letter in to the inspector general asking to just confirm, just confirm are you investigating those leaks that peter struck talked about? >> senator, i have no idea why -- >> no, that's a setup. tess entirely relevant. >> why a fox news conspiracy propaganda stuff is popping up on here. i have no idea why we're going here. >> underlying -- >> i'm asking about -- >> why president trump and his supporters are upset at the news media. >> senator johnson, please, can
you answer the question i asked you instead of trying to make donald trump feel better here that you're not criticizing -- >> i'm not. >> why aren't they answering the question directly? why aren't they answering yes or no questions? why are they refusing to call this what it is? wrong. inappropriate. possibly even illegal.
senator mitt romney might have an answer after criticizing trump's request for china to investigate biden. the president tearing into him using expletives, even calling for his impeachment. side note, congress members cannot be impeached. joining us republican bill weld, former governor of massachusetts, launched a primary run. governor, good to have you with us. >> thank you, ana. good to be with you. >> how do you think of how your family is responding or handling all of this? >> i think representative joe walsh had it right with mark sanford when he said the reason
the white house and the republicans are not answering is because there is no answer. it's as simple as that. >> no answer? what's your answer to those questions? >> well, you know, if anything is clear from history, it's the people who wrote the constitution were most worried when they created the office of president of
the united states about two things. one was foreign interference with our government and the other was use of public office for private gain and has violated both of those rules. what's needed now is not just a vote to launch an impeachment inquiry and marshall all the evidence but the removal of this president from office. and that's what happens after this thing goes over to the senate. i don't think the senators have to declare in advance what they're going to do. it's clear to me their constitutional duty is to follow the evidence and vote to remove
the president from office. >> based on the information that is already out there that we have in the public sphere, you believe the president should be impeached? >> i believe he should be impeached and removed from office. this isn't just information that is out there. it's been confirmed in spades by the white house and by the president himself. the effort to get the leader of ukraine, which is in a hot war with russia, russia is our enemy if anyone in the world is, to dig up dirt, closed quote, on hunter biden in a case that had already been closed. and the president saying i know i froze a lot of your military aid. i need a favor though. that makes it very clear it's a quid pro quo. >> what would you tell somebody who might say, sure you want to see him removed from office because that will benefit you politically in your primary campaign. >> i don't really have a dog in
that fight. i'm undertaking this as is representative walsh because i'm trying to save the country. the country has battered country syndrome, like battered women's syndrome, we need to get back to the business of taking care of the people of this country and i don't think that's going to happen until mr. trump goes. he succeeded in creating sort of whirlwind vortex the last three years where everything is all about him and people all over the country that i meet are tired. they're exhausted. everything is about pandering to the fantasies of one quite ill man who happens to be president of the united states. at this point it's a question of saving the country. >> on the second whistle-blower, jim hines is reacting to it earlier today, and i would like to get your take on the back side of this. >> sure. >> what's happening, margaret, is that people around the
president, professionals who are in the oval office, who are in the situation room, are watching what is happening and are finally saying, my god, this cannot happen anymore and they are coming forward either as whistle-blowers as apparently as many as two people are going to do officially but also leaking which, by the way, is not a good thing but a lot of the story is coming out because people in the room are talking to "the washington post" and "the new york times" and to others. the president's real problem is his behavior has finally gotten to a place where people are saying enough. >> when you're out there campaigning, governor, do you get the sense that republican voters have had enough? >> i get the sense everybody is exhausted and they would rather talk health care and things that hit them at home. that doesn't change the analysis of what needs to be done under the constitution. i would like to see the members of congress remember that they owe allegiance to the flag and to the nation for which it
stands, one nation under dog, indivisible. the president has been seeking to divide us for the last three years. in terms of the evidence of his call to ukraine, that's a case stated as leader mcconnell said in a different connection, case closed. it's an only and shut case. >> how do you get the american people to go along with it because many of the republicans you need to win over go home at night, they turn on fox news and this is what they've been hearing and seeing. >> this leak and coup campaign. >> every time you hear the word impeachment you have to substitute the word coup and the coup needs to be shut down. >> what you're watching is a legislative coup de tat. >> couple that with this new poll that finds just 40% of republicans believe the president asked ukraine to
investigate biden despite the president admitting he did it and despite the fact the white house released the transcript which shows he did it. are you worried that all the facts aren't getting through to republican voters? >> if that 40% figure is correct, that seems to be the case, but the clips you just played, that's nothing more than political rhetoric. by the constitution and the law it's very clear what needs to be done and the house should vote to commission an inquiry and send it over to the senate. and then my hope is the republican senators will do their duty and follow the evidence. if they don't, i'm not sure that i think there's a good long-term prognosis for the republican party in washington. >> back to your bid then to be president, to defeat president trump in 2020, if you can't beat him in the primary have you considered launching a third party bid trying to win over key votes that could have razor thin
margins? >> i would not do that. i have said that under no circumstances would i support donald trump for any office whatsoever, and that stands. >> why not run as a third party candidate? >> no, i just think there's some risk of muddying the water there and having already cast my lot to run as a republican because of my long association with the party and thinking that's the best way to engage mr. trump directly, i'm not going to vary that course. >> governor, it's good to have you with us. thank you for taking the time. another whistle-blower now coming forward and a deluge of spin coming from the president and his allies. answering your questions about the impeachment inquiry next. ♪upbeat music
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>> this first question has to do with the first whistle-blower who was not a direct witness, and the president has called these allegations hear say information. does that mean it can't be used in impeachment? >> so, no. this is an attack the messenger strategy because the actual message itself, i think, is so damaging. and i've seen this in criminal case that is i've done when the he have gets really strong, that's when the personal attacks and the distractions start flying. so this word hearsay, president trump said, well, the whistle-blower only has hearsay. what does it mean? it's what it sounds like, when someone know it is because they learned it or heard it from another source. some types of hearsay can be used in criminal trials, some cannot this is not a criminal trial. congress can use twhafr evidence it chooses to use. and ultimately this is really not about the whistle-blower himself or herself or now themselves. it is about the actual evidence that the whistle-blower is bringing forward. let's remember the whistle-blower's complaint, the
first one, is backed up, most importantly, by donald trump's own words and the call by the state department texts last week. i would urge everyone, don't be distracted by the personal attacks. let's focus on the facts as we move through this. >> amen, brother. the president said the whistle-blower should be treated like spies. this viewer asked that means president trump has committed witness intimidation. >> when he talks about treated like spies, that means execution. i don't think the president is literally saying people should be executed but his message is clear, intimidation and threat and federal law makes it a crime to intimidate or threaten a person in order to influence, delay or prevent their testimony. i think that's a perfect fit for what we're seeing here. the president has a prior history of doing this. in the mueller report, robert mueller called out the president for tryingsuade michael.
congress, if they so choose, can pursue an article of impeachment. the president cannot be or won't be charged criminally in office. when he's out he can be charged. it shows us a guilty conscience because common sense tells us and the law tells us when someone tries to tamper with witnesses there's a reason behind it. >> and you would know. another viewer question, could president trump have committed bribery? >> so i want to repeat this mantra. you do not need a crime in order to impeach. bribery happens when an official directly or indirectly seeks some sort of thing of value in exchange for official action. we hear about the phrase quid pro quo which means this for that. it does not need to be explicit but it is here. if you look at the text we saw last week, the one text from a state department official, heard from the white house, assuming president xi convinces trump he
had investigate, then we will nail down a date for the visit to washington. that's about as clear as you're going to see. the president himself said on the call with zelensky i would like to you do us a favor. one of the viewers made a good point about the word though. it's like a teenager said i need you to do a favor. the mother said i need you to do the dishes though. >> we're glad to have you with us. keep your questions coming tonight. you can submit them at cnn.com. he will be back next hour to answer more of your questions. joe biden in a new op-ed this weekend, but with the former vice president having to play defense on his son's involvement in ukraine, how is this scandal impacting his campaign? we'll discuss. press start and consider the job finished. finish quantum's three-chamber detergent works with bosch's precisionwash technology
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calling and baseless allegations. while there's no evidence of wrongdoing, the president's allegations are putting the former vice president in a defensive position. he slam the president calling the actions an abuse of power and is continuing to face questions about this on the campaign trail as well. here he was on friday responding to a question in los angeles. >> he's indicted himself by his own statements this is a guy that's unhinged. he is unhinged. i worry about what he's going to do. not me and my family. i worry what he'll do in the next year of the presidency as this thing continues to rot on his watch. this guy like all bullies is a coward. he does not want to run against me. >> with me now is the nonfiction editor at the "washington post," the maker of an extraordinary partnership. let me read you a portion of the op-ed.
funning his attacks against me, please know that i'm not going anywhere. you won't destroy me and you won't destroy my family. come november 2020 i intend to beat you like a drum. how do you think all of this is impacting biden personally? >> i think it's very tough for vice president biden to see his family dragged through the mud this way especially his son. i do think it was time for biden to speak out and defend himself. he's been quiet for quite some time. he's letting, in some ways, the president define the narrative, a false narrative actually. so it's time for him to step up. and if we look at what's been said lately, we had the former special envoy to ukraine who was testifying before the house committee that's investigating the abuses of president trump and he came out as we learned today or over the weekend that
he said biden was a man of integrity and he felt there was no credibility to any of the allegations that the president has lodged against joe biden. it's important to add, also, as i write in my book when president obama was vetting joe biden for vice president, he put him through a massive period of investigation. biden had 30 years of public service to look into and the obama team went through it all and in the end they didn't find a whiff of corruption. they didn't find anything. when obama was interviewing biden, obama said he made a joke and he said, joe, you've been in service for 30 years. you're still one of the poorest people in the senate, which implies that joe did not ever use his position for personal gain.
joe biden that we saw then is still the joe biden we see today. >> hunter biden, of course, is part of all of this. joe biden's son. there is no evidence of wrongdoing by either biden. hunter has been open about his difficult past. i wonder if the biden campaign could have known that he could be a point of vulnerability at the campaign. >> i love seeing, yes, they knew this might come up during the campaign and it was going to be a sore point, perhaps. if you want to be honest about it, hunter should not have been involved in the companies that he was involved with. it's a little bit unseamly. something something people do all the time, using their prestige but nothing has been found about hunter biden.
it's the way it works. you don't have to do this, joe. do you think after president obama watched trump attack his republican opponents and then hillary clinton back in the 2016 election that this is the sort of thing he was referring to about the way he would come after him in such a tough way. >> obama is a tough guy and knows joe is a pretty tough guy and what politics is all about. joe can take care of himself as we've seen lately. he will come out swinging. i don't think these allegations will have much of an impact. he has to answer them. >> you look at the latest fund-raising numbers, though, and we have elizabeth warren, bernie sanders.
raking in about $10 million more. matching or even overtaking joe biden and some of the recent polling do you think this is impacting his campaign and is potentially hurting him? >> i think some of the fund-raising goes back before the latest whistle-blower announcement was made. the push and pull what a campaign was all about. it is a long way to go. i'm no political pundit. i write books and work at the "washington post" doing book reviews, and i'm not a biden partisan by any stretch. i do think there is a long way to go in this election. you cannot predict anything. we haven't had a single real primary yet or a caucus. we have to wait and see.
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>> i think they're being aggressive which they need to be. they're doing their research. i think they're doing their homework. i think they're speaking out. i think they're taking action. i think they're very serious which makes me happy. >> reporter: and those are two iowa democrats talking about what they're seeing from democrats out of washington, d.c. one other thing i want to add, ana, i went to the kamala harris campaign and asked how is this impeachment inquiry changing for anything on the ground, yes, of course we're paying attention to it. you have to pay attention to the news. you have to keep talking about the issues that matter to democrats, namely health care. ana. >> kyung lah for us in iowa. two days after a dallas cop is ten tensed for killing an unarmed man in his own apartment, a key witness in the trial is shot to death. details on what we know next. her congestion. m g save it slimeball. i've upgraded to mucinex.
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friday night. authorities say joshua brown was found in the parking lot with multiple gunshot wounds. we don't know why he was killed, but he was the neighbor who testified he had heard the confrontation between guyger and botham jean the night she shot him in his own apartment. >> reporter: before his murder on friday, joshua brown made headlines as a key witness for the trial of dallas officer amber guyger. >> my apartment was right here. the apartment is directly across from mine. >> reporter: last week guyger was convicted of killing botham jean after walking into his apartment in 2018. she claimed to have mistaken his apartment for hers and thought he was an intruder. on the witness stand ten days before his own shooting death outside his home brown testified he heard the shots and saw guyger outside his apartment. brown got emotional recounting hearing his neighbor's voice
from time to time. said on social media, brown lived in constant fear of gun violence and his death, quote, underscores the reality of the black experience in america. also said brown deserves the same justice he sought to ensure for the jean family. investigators have released few details on brown's death, only that witnesses heard gunshots and that they observed a silver four-door sedan speeding away from the scene. police have not said if the murder is in any way connected to the guyger proceedings. the wife of a u.s. diplomat facing backlash in britain for leaving the country after a fatal car accident she was involved in. details ahead. i see you found the snacks. mmm, delicious! i need this recipe.
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. british police tell cnn that a u.s. diplomat's wife who left the u.k. after being involved in a deadly car crash was driving on the wrong side of the road. 19-year-old harry dunn was on his motorcycle in late august in england when he was killed. despite the ongoing investigation, the diplomat's wife is now back in the u.s. and is claiming diplomatic immunity. cnn's anna stewart joins us from london. you spoke with the victim's family today. >> this family is living a nightmare. their son died in an absolutely terrible accident. he was by the side of the road
and the hospital had to come to him because it was evident so many of his bones were broken and they simply couldn't save him. after his funeral, they found out the suspect had actually left the country without telling the police and no one knows where she is. the feeling today of speaking to that family is just they are feeling such anguish. take a listen to harry's mother. >> it can't be right that somebody, a diplomat or their family can come over to the u.k. or any other country, kill somebody unintentionally or not and just go away and ignore what's happened and leave us with nothing. we can't change what's happened to harry and we can't get him back, but what we will do our
absolutely utmost to do is to make sure it doesn't happen to another family. >> the family wanted to speak to us, wanted to speak to cnn so our viewers can see and understand their story and what's going on, because they feel the police here in the u.k. and the government even can't do anything to help when it comes to this very complicated issue of diplomatic immunity. >> what is the u.s. response to waiving the diplomat's wife's immunity? >> the british foreign secretary release aeased a statement sayis spoken to the u.s. ambassador, he's expressed the u.k.'s disappointment, but that's as far as it went there. we spoke to the u.s. state department and put this question to him. how could the diplomatic immunity be waved in this case? they said any questions regarding a waiver of immunity in a case like this receive intense attention at senior levels and are considered
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this just in, former president jimmy carter getting a few stitches above his brow after suffering a fall at his home in plains, georgia. the 95-year-old is feeling fine, adding that he and former first lady are eager to be at habitat for humanity at this build event in nashville this week. carter survived a dire cancer diagnosis back in 2015. he currently holds the record for the longest living u.s. president. a quick programming note for you. cnn partners with the human rights campaign to present a ground breaking cnn town hall event, equality in america. join 2020 candidates as they discuss issues facing the lgbtq community. thursday night starting at 7 eastern here on cnn.
live in the cnn newsroom. thanks for staying with me. breaking news, a second whistleblower has now come forward with information about president trump. a lawyer representing this new whistleblower says they are a member of the intelligence community and they have firsthand knowledge that supports the claims made by the first whistleblower. this annihilates what's become a go-to defense for republican who is claim the impeachment inquiry is based on hearsay. a lawyer at this firm representing both whistleblowers' rights, i can confirm that my firm and my team represent multiple whistleblowers in connection oh to the underlying august 12th, 2019, disclosure to the intelligence community inspector general. no further comment at this time. we're still trying to get clarification on whether multiple means more than the two whistleblowers we are now aware of right now. that remains unclear. let's get straight out to