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salmas baptist church. each and every sunday morning, his faith was enriched through the ministry of walt thomas sr. who he called not only pastor but also friend. after the choir has lifted his greatness to the church, the next voice we will hear is the voice of elijah cummings' pastor walt thomas sr., the association of the covenant pastors. i ask that we might stand and hold in reverance the office he holds as bishop and servant of the lord jesus christ. ♪ >> all right, we are watching the celebration of elijah
cummings, and we just heard from former president barack obama eulogizing him following former president bill clinton eulogizing elijah cummings, and really just some amazing words that we have heard about a tremendous statesman in congress. we heard from president obama saying -- he was telling a story about elijah cummings' father who was a sharecropper, and he said that this was a story cummings had told him. he said they would go to the airport not to board planes, but to watch others do it. robert would say, i have not flied, i may not fly, but you will fly one day. we can't afford it right now, but you will fly. i want to bring in abby phillip to talk about what we've watched he in baltimore. it's amazing to hear things from
friends of elijah cummings, who you might be surprised they were his friends, stalwart republicans who had amazing things to say about elijah cummings. >> and the statesmanship he made that seems to be on a downward slope. it seems there are fewer and fewer of those people here in washington. some of the memorial service we heard today and recent services we've heard in recent years, you heard president obama talk about howie elijah cummings was honorable before he had that title. you don't just become honorable because someone gives you a position of power but because you act that way. i think that's what he presented
to both sides of the aisle. you heard people respected the strength of his conviction but also noted that he was not a disagreeable person. he might have disagreed on politics with a lot of people, but he was able to maintain the integrity of his character. and when people talk about that, when it comes to elijah cummings, they're not speaking in a vacuum. they're talking to what seems to be a decline of that sense. in this moment, i think it's important to recognize that. >> it is this moment where i think people are yearning to hear about someone who has those values. one of the moments that stood out so much to me was congressional staff member. we pay a lot of attention, obviously, to these high-profile folks who are eulogizing him, president clinton, hillary clinton and president obama. but one of his staff members who had worked for him for 15 years,
which says a lot, as you know, abby, when we're talking about members of congress. >> especially when there's a lot of turnover. >> that's right, harry said he took the time to teach me life lessons, however, the last two and a half years were different. he went on to list those. compassion and kindness, building bridges, pass the ball and work through your pain. especially that last one, work through your pain -- >> which he did quite literally. his wife said when he passed, he worked until his last breath. he's been ill for some time and has worked through that pain, literally, in congress and gave one of the most, i think, powerful moments of his tenure at the helm of oversight, really calling for the american people to wake up to this political moment when it comes to what they were seeing out of the white house which he vehemently
disagreed with. he also vehemently disagreed with the trump administration's policy on the border. he made that very clear. he never backed off of that. but, you know, to the point that his staffer was making, cummings was known on the hill as being someone who tried to be a mentor to literally everyone, including reporters who were just walking through the hallways. that's the kind of person that he was. >> abby, thank you so much. and in the meantime, president trump is continuing to defend his call with ukranian president zelensky as house democrats say they are now considering articles of impeachment against him. >> i had a perfect conversation with the president of ukraine, perfect. they made up stories about that conversation. had they seen it, we wouldn't even be talking about it right now. the conversation was perfect. >> the conversation has been been perfect.
jeremy diamond is live at the white house. tell us what else the president had to say on the south lawn, jeremy. >> well, brianna, as you know, the president continues to deny the quid pro quo of withholding security aid to ukraine because the president wanted ukraine to announce these veflinvestigatio into the company on which joe biden's son sat on the board of and into the 2016 election. that is the quid pro quo that was decided by the house in the testimony of bill taylor. i asked the president if he was accusing bill taylor of lying. here is how the president responded. >> the problem is -- here's the problem. he's a never trumper, and his lawyers are never trumper -- and the other problem is -- hey, everybody makes mistakes. mike pompeo, everybody makes mistakes. >> reporter: so very telling there, brianna, that the
president declines to answer the substance of the conversation whether bill taylor is indeed lying if he announced this quid pro quo, instead the president choosing to attack bill taylor without evidence as a never trumper, and saying mike pompeo made a mistake, apparently, by hiring bill taylor to ambassador of ukraine. we're also expecting tim morrison who was on the president's call to the ukraine president to actually corroborate some of the key details alleged by bill taylor and others, including that very notion of a quid pro quo. brianna? >> jeremy diamond at the white house, thank you. we are getting closer to a first in the house democrats' impeachment inquiry of president trump. next week they're expected to hear from the first witness who was actually on the july 25th phone call between president trump and ukranian president zelensky. his name is tim morrison. he was mentioned repeatedly in that bombshell testimony this week from bill taylor, the top u.s. diplomat in ukraine.
he is the senior director for europe and russia on the national security counsel. he replaced fiona hill at the nfc. she testified last week. and democrat on the house oversight committee is joining us. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, brianna. >> so he is currently serving white house official. he is currently on the white house security counsel. how important is this testimony? >> brianna, first if i could just say a word about elijah cummings. i'm so glad he's a modest human being, but the tribute you saw today from president obama, from secretary clinton, from mark meadows shows the extraordinary character that he had. i still remember when i got to congress, he said, any time anyone asks you for a picture, is to stop and say, it's an absolute honor. he was such a good human being and i'm so glad the country can
reflect on his life. >> i loved what president obama said about him when he said that the cost of doing nothing is not nothing. >> absolutely, and he lived his whole life understanding that and he understood that history was going to judge him and he was aware of that every day about not just what he was going to do on the news cycle but what his legacy was going to be for the country. it's good the nation got to hear the type of human being he was and how he's inspired us as to what we can be. to your question, the testimony is going to be absolutely critical. his testimony and possibly john bolton's testimony. we have to understand, what did the white house know in terms of rudy giuliani's policy towards ukraine? how many of the president's advisers were concerned about this? did they go to the president and did the president overrule them? >> do you think tim morrison is going to know that? >> i think he would. it seems to me that both tim
morrison and john bolton have information. we have public reports that john bolton thought that this was crazy, like a drug deal. and tim morrison worked directly for john bolton. so i believe both of them would have information about the concerns that career officials were expressing about this quid pro quo. >> and when it comes to bolton, his attorneys have actually been talking with house democrats. where does an appearance by him stand at this point? >> i'm hopeful. i believe that john bolton wants to testify to clear his own name. i mean, from all the public reports, we see that john bolton was sounding the alarm about this and was very uncomfortable with what was going on. i have disagreed with john bolton very publicly on many foreign policy issues, but i have never questioned his integrity in following the rules, and he is a lawyer, he was a yale-educated lawyer. you can see why john bolton wouldn't want to be part of some kind of conspiracy, and so my hope is he will want to vindicate his own name.
>> are we going to see public hearings in november? by the middle of november, do you think? >> we will see public hearings. the argument that the house isn't doing public hearings is just such a distraction. right now we're collecting evidence. it's the same thing, by the way, the republicans did on benghazi. there will be public hearings and people will get to question and hear from these witnesses this public. >> these are depositions. we do keep pointing out there are republicans and democrats in the room. the entirety of these committees are permitted in the room and republicans are there participating in this process. >> absolutely. >> but when do you think we will see, the public, when do you think we'll see the public hearings? >> i'm hopeful maybe in november after thanksgiving, certainly before any articles of impeachment are drawn, the public will get to hear directly, the public will get to see people questioned publicly. but it's not helpful right now to have folks come in in front of the entire nation, and some of these people may not want to
be testifying in front of everyone, and we have to respect some of their privacy and their ability to offer evidence without having, you know, a hundred cameras on them. >> so it sounds like you're saying late noevember, early december for public hearings? >> i think once the investigation phase is finished, then we will move on to them. i can't commit to a timeline because ultimately it's chairman schiff and nancy pelosi who get to make the call. >> but you're hopeful after thanksgiving? >> yes, i'm hopeful after thanksgiving we'll start to get into the fray with the judicial committee and start having some of these folks to testify publicly. >> where are you on the actual articles of impeachment? >> it's tough to see what the president's defense will be. there is an article in "poliltico" where he says there is no defense. how can you defend what took place where the president, according to public testimony,
is asking zelensky to basically have a public press conference saying he's going to investigate joe biden? >> the democrats, are they brainstorming, are they writing? what point in the process are they at? >> to be honest with you, what we're trying to do is make sure the case is so strong that we get some senators willing to consider the evidence. right now what you have, in my view, is the public supports impeachment, you've had democrats and independents support impeachment, even some republicans according to the polling, but you don't have any senator right now willing to support the impeachment inquiry, so we're trying to build such an airtight case that the senate can't just say, we're not going to do our constitutional duty. >> congressman khanna, thank you for coming to the studio. >> thank you. a doj review of the so-called 2016 russian probe coming up against impeachment
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washington could soon be sporting a different name. they are looking into selling the rights of the lucrative property. scrutiny of how much money president trump makes off the hotel is partly to blame for the sale. christina lechey, tell us what's happening with this. >> reporter: this is going to spark a lot of questions as to whether or not the trump organization needs to do this, maybe they feel that the property is more trouble than it's worth at this point. of course, when the trump organization took this property on and licensed and basically is paying rent to the government to operate this property, they put a lot of money into it. so they made a large investment in this historic building to really bring it up to the modern age and actually renovate a lot of it. so the trump organization put a lot of money into it, and they may be thinking, look, it's more trouble than it's worth to
operate. let me give you a little window into that. one of the biggest books of business for hotels in washington, d.c. is actually companies. well, companies that come in to do conferences and meetings in washington, d.c. may want to avoid the hotel, because they don't want to be questioned about it. they know that it is subject to various lawsuits, various investigations on the hill, so, for example, this week i was up on the hill listening to mark zuckerberg testify in front of congress, and the hearing was on something completely unrelated to trump properties, and one of the congresspeople asked him if he books there. they probably want to avoid that. they're losing business to competitors in the area. >> ethic experts look at this and they say especially because president trump didn't put his assets into a blind trust and he's clearly still involved in the business and his kids are running it, they say it's unethical that he's being enriched by this hotel. does that have anything to do
with this? >> reporter: i think that the ethics question around this is what makes it so difficult and such a headache for the trump organization to operate this property. also separately there are real legal questions about certain payments that this hotel gets and whether or not it violates the anti-bribery clause in the constitution that prohibits the president from receiving profits from foreign and domestic governments. so i think there is a lot of headaches from the trump organization. we'll see if a potential buyer is going to meet the price that the trump organization wants here, but certainly an interesting development that will spark more questions at this point about the president's business. brianna? >> christina lechey, thank you. the president wanted it and now he has it. after calling the russia probe a
hoax, to be clear, this isn't a hoax. the volume of the mueller report which you spent so much time covering showed election interference, and there was attempts made by president trump to interfere in that election. so why is the doj making this a criminal probe? >> reporter: we're not sure what caused this escalation, but one of the things that it does is that it allows the federal prosecutor, john durham out of connecticut who really is working hand in hand with the attorney general bill barr. what's really unusual here is the role the attorney general is playing in this. he's directly involved in the day-to-day parts of this investigation. he's traveled to italy, other parts, working with international partners to try and figure out exactly what information they provided to the u.s. government and how that
information was used. by making this a criminal probe, they're now able to subpoena witnesses, people they want to talk to. we've been told that some of the folks they've been wanting to talk to have not been willing to come in voluntarily. so as a result, they've been issuing subpoenas. and in order to do that, they've had to make this a criminal probe. that's just one aspect of it. ultimately we really don't know if there is something that has dom along that has caused the department of justice now to say, you know what, this is going to become a criminal probe. the other thing, obviously, this is looking at a lot of different characters. joseph misfud, who had contact with papadopoulos, jim clapper, all of that. this came as they were looking to release the inspector
general's report into the fbi investigation. so all of this happening, and obviously coming on the heels of this impeachment inquiry going on on the hill. >> shimon, thank you for that report. i want to bring in senior legal analyst and university of north carolina law professor michael gearhart. michael, why does shifting this to a criminal probe matter aside from the fact that it does give investigators the ability to talk to people who have been resisting talking to them? >> i think there is a lot of political value that comes with this announcement from the department of justice. so the announcement that now the probe will be criminal in a sense kind of raises its credibility, but it also raises the stakes involved. and so the other thing about it, of course, is timing. it came out at a time when there was a lot of bad news for the president from a number of witnesses that have been called so far for the house intelligence committee, and this is maybe an effort to take back
the anywhere tinarrative for th administration. >> how does the department of justice actually conduct something like this? how do they conduct an internal investigation on, really, themselves? >> it's a terrific question. well, it's not -- it doesn't happen that often, but there are going to be people inside the department whose job it is, to some extent, to investigate ethical questions and related questions like that within the department. you're likely to have those kind of people help mr. durham on this. and beyond that, i think you'll find a number of people in the justice department getting their own lawyers, so there's going to be some tension, obviously, within the department as the investigation proceeds. >> i wonder what the wider effect of this is. do you think that having an investigation of investigators will have the effect of telling some law enforcement officials that they don't want to
investigate anything that won't be welcomed by the trump administration or by the white house in particular? >> i think that's a really good point. there is no question this is maybe intended and certainly has the effect of intimidating possible other whistleblowers. clearly this administration is hassled by whistleblowers, even though our laws protect us against whistleblowers, especially by authorities. at the same time it's very consistent with the tendency of the administration to respond to impeachment troubles by killing the messenger. this is an attempt to go after the source rather than the merits of what's going on. >> michael gerhardt, thank you for your perspective. the white house is struggling to find a different message on impeachment. republicans being asked to
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. we're now a month into the speedy impeachment inquiry against president trump, and the white house is still struggling to form a uniform response while also dealing with the defiant and unpredictable president. >> here's the thing. i don't have teams. everybody is talking about teams. i'm the team. >> so we're told the white house is now eying tony seig to lead the constant infighting between
president trump and the white house. i want to bring in francesca chambers and michael to talk about this. you heard him say he doesn't need a team, he is the team. how do you see that approach working so far? >> i'm a lawyer but i wouldn't want to represent myself, and i would suggest that even though his political instincts are often spot on, this might be a case where he'll want to surrender some judgment to an outside counsel. look, they haven't offered, brianna, a substantive defense to the allegations which, frankly, don't seem like they're very much in dispute. the whistleblower complaint was backed up by the transcript of the call with president zelensky, and then you've got the diplomatic court testimony as it has leaked, particularly the 15-page statement from ambassador taylor. it all tells the same story. the defense from the white house so far has been one of process, like unleashing the republican
members of congress to disrupt that hearing earlier this week. but in the end, if it gets past the house and there is a senate trial, there will need to be some level of substantive defense. i thought that mick mulvaney, frankly, as a legal matter was on the right path a week ago when he tried to own the quid pro quo, but very quickly they did an about-face on that. so bottom line thus far, there hasn't been a substantive defense, it's all been about the process. >> they should have a substantive defense by now, right? you would think they wouldn't be just flip-flopping and confined of flailing, francesca. tell us where they are on finding someone to help with the messaging as we learn that tony saig is under consideration. >> there is no war room but they are ramping up pressure for the president to come up with a morocco hemor more cohesive message on strategy to lead the war room.
who are they considering for that? tony saig is under consideration. he had left the administration and moovved back to new york. he has not said this is something he would like to do. pam bondi is also being considered. not entirely clear this is something she would like to do. no doubt this is an issue for the president. i'm also told by mick mulvaney this is not a reflection of the job he is or isn't doing, this would just be an addition to the job. >> lawmakei just heard from conn ro khanna that he hopes there would be public hearings after thanksgiving, so we're at least a month out on that. but knowing they're getting started on articles of impeachme
impeachment, how much does they tell you about the information they have and how much the white house should be worried? >> in terms of the war room, the white house thought they didn't need one and it would be too early for that, that should certainly make them think they need to speed this up a little bit, because you don't want to be caught off guard and have no infrastructure in place. the white house has been working on this, but that's quite different from having an outside firm working on this or even one of those impeachment war rooms that weav've been talking about. >> and we've heard that president trump needs to take a page out of the clinton playbook, he needs to ignore the distraction and focus on governing. can you imagine a situation where that's what trump would do? >> i can imagine him wanting to do that. i don't know that democrats in the house would be inclined to play ball with him. i think this issue is a five-alarm fire on the corridor. i'm not sure about the rest of
the country. by day, what do i do? i answer the telephone, and the people who are calling me to talk about issues are scattered all across the country. it's not so clear to me that this has really resonated yet with americans all across the nation. so i know it's a hot subject for us, i know it's hot on the eastern seaboard and the northeast among the cable outlets and so forth, but in the rest of the country, i think people are focused on jobs, health care and the economy. so to the extent he's able to show something in that regard, he, the president, it's in his best interest. >> yeah, i think you're definitely right on that, michael. there is so much intense interest here, but we will see how democrats and the white house duke out the messaging when it comes to impeachment. that's going to be the next fight here. michael smerconish, francesca chambe chambers, thank you. fareed zakaria investigates impeachment and its role in our democracy. "on the brink: when the
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the same system malfunction. cnn aviation analyst is with us now ander managing director for the ntsb. do you think they did a good job getting it out in a timely manner and important to note, nine contributing factors that this. >> i thought the indonesians did an excellent job identifying the links of the chain in this tragedy and they called out each one very clearly. i think they did a really, an outstanding job within a year. >> is nine a lot or is that what you would expect? >> i think it's right and shows the complexity of the accident, particularly as you're flying these highly automated planes. they're both technical issues and human factor issues. >> boeing is promises they're going to change the software on the planes. how is that going to make it easier for pilots to override this mcas system? >> i think first they're going
to identify more clearly how you override the system. under what circumstances do you use the cut off switches to scale the mcas system back or shut it down. secondly, they're going to lessen the authority of the m kamcass. pushed down, the nose to control of threat of stall. boeing's going to mitigate that and make it less demanding. >> you mentioned, planes are becoming more digitized, right? n more automated. looking at the investigation of the crash telling cnn this is a new type of accident since computer airplanes were introduced is this the new thing to be worried about? >> it is a new era we're in. these aircraft whether a boeing or airbus or extraordinarily complex.
they're taking many of the old decisions out of the hands of the pilots, which makes it incumbent upon the pilots to really understand the computer systems that are driving their aircraft. so when something does go wrong they can diagnose it, take over and save their aircraft. >> so boeing is trying to put safety first in all of this, but we have a "wall street journal" report that is out. you've seen this, this week. a former senior pilot for the company complained years ago that he actually felt pressure from management to make sure the 737 max planes would not require this expensive pilot training time in a flight sim later, basically. just read it, get up to speend speed and they're fine. >> boeing was marketing the 737 max to its customers saying, no sim time required. do an online course and your pilots are ready to go. requires sim time is very
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it is a rare reprimand for a cabinet secretary, a federal judge held betsy devos secretary of education and her department in contempt of court for violating an order to stop collecting loan payments from students of a for-profit college that went bell youup. devos and her department slapped with a $100,000 fine and that fine will be paid by you the taxpayer. this is government funds. last month the department admitted more than 16,000 borrowers were incorrectly informed they owed payment on their debt. some had wages garnished, tax returns seized and many credit reports damaged. that's it for me. "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news.
hi there. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn on this friday afternoon. thank you for being here. we have breaking news out of washington, d.c. where a month now into this impeachment inquiry president trump is sounding a familiar tune when it comes to that july 25th phone call with ukraine's leader defending his actions while blasting the democrats. >> the level of unfairness for a perfect conversation with the president of ukraine. this was a perfect conversation, and, frankly, had they known what the conversation was they wouldn't have even wasted everybody's time. president of ukraine and the foreign minister came out, said there was no -- anything. there was no -- he used the word no blackmail. they said there was no pressure. there was nothing done wrong. this is a hoax. >> we just heard the president saying there was no pressure on ukraine