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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. welcome back. we roll on on this thursday afternoon. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. it is on congressional record, impeachment record of president trump will go public. today lawmakers approved the public hearings in a crucial and historic vote mainly along party lines. with that the house has brought this investigation from behind closed doors killing a chief complaint from the president's defenders. besides setting up public hearings this proved releasing of deposition transcripts, outlining the judiciary's committee's role in issues of impeachment and establishes how to call witnesses and use of
subpoenas and let's the president give their case later in the process. still, though, not one republican voted in favor of this. >> there's nothing the president did to be impeached. this isn't about the republican party. this is about the republic. no one should ever go through this again. we believe in the rule of law. but unfortunately in nancy's house, we do not. >> this is a sad day. it's a sad day, because nobody comes to congress to impeach a president of the united states. no one. we cannot ignore and we will not ignore when the president's behavior indicates that that investigation, that inquiry is necessary. these rules are fairer than anything that have gone before. >> the final vote, 232-196 in favor of this resolution. and while republicans all followed the party line, not all democrats did the same. so let's start there.
tom foreman is in washington to walk us through this vote. tom, start with the two democrats who defected. >> the two who defected from the vote here. these two are two democrats who come from districts that donald trump handedly won in the past and they have both voiced their own concerns about the divisive nature of all this. not addressing so much the essence of the impeachment case as much as they said, look, we think unless it's very clear and very bipartisan it's so divisive, why would we want that? jeff andrew from new jersey, colin peterson from minnesota. there was, however, one vote even though all the democrats were split by these two votes and republicans were all united, you could argue in a sense that justin amash was a defection from the republicans. he was a republican up until july. a tea party republican who basically said, look, i am troubled enough by what's going on in this administration i'm
going to become and independent and voted in favor of moving forward with this impeachment process and tweeted to all the other republicans beforehand, this president will be in power for only a short time, but excusing his misbehavior will forever tarnish your name. to my republican colleagues step out your media and social bubble, history will not look kind on disingenuous frivolous and false defenses of his man. you can tell not one republican decided to join him in that effort. almost a perfect party line vote. a preview of what we might see getting closer to impeachment. >> tom foreman, thaurpg fnk you the vote breakdown. harry litman, former u.s. attorney and deputy assistant attorney general. mary mccord served add acting assistant attorney general for national security and led the pro russia probe before a special counsel was appointed. welcome to you both. harry, first to you. now that this vote will become
public, the rules of the road are set, but we don't know timeline, witnesses, scope, scale. for everyone watching, how will this work? >> i mean, we have a sense. it's a -- a work in progress, but there are going to be public hearings starting on the 11th. the week after next. there have been about a dozen witnesses behind closed doors to date and the dems will choose from among them. the republicans can also offer some subject to the veto of the democratic majority. i think we can be pretty sure of some of the names we'll see. hill, sondland, taylor for starters, and we have a kens of reof -- sense of the rest of the testimony. importantly we got a summary. ten hours or so questioning then ensued. for example, with taylor, he speaks about the call, but then there's -- since he listened, there's very precise questions
that will then be coming to the floor. what we'll be seeing starting the 11th. >> and, mary, to you. you know, after today's house vote, the white house put out a statement which in essence, again, criticized this process as unfair. even though they have been calling for this vote for weeks. so if you are the white house, if you are the republican party, what is your new strategy in fighting this? >> well, i'm not about to try to speculate about the republican strategy on this. i can say that this vote while not necessary in order to go forward with an impeachment inquiry as chief judge howell noted in her opinion last friday in a case involving 6e grand jury material, i think it was an important vote to take not only to sort of confirm what the proceedings that have already been going on, but to set the stage and to set the parameters and the rules and the procedures
that will be applied going forward. so that there's real transparency into those procedures and so that the american public know what they can expect. it will be up to republicans in the white house to determine how much they want to resist these procedures as the president indicated early on in the process that they essentially weren't going to participate. >> sure. harry, you mentioned this a second ago. re-up your point that republicans through this process will be able to subpoena their own witnesses but because democrats are majority, democrats will have to okay it. who do you think republicans may try to bring in? >> well, i mean, to date what we've heard from hem at every turn has been allegations of sort of bias that they've tried to unearth through sort of add honum attacks. finding out, trying to find out who the whistle-blower is and significantly proceeded to talk about 2016 and mccabe and comey.
very irrelevant kinds of things. of course, that's the reason why the majority can ride herd on them if it comes to that. it seems echoing mary -- this is the moment to choose party over country. or country over party, and it looks like an emphatic choice for everyone to go for party over country, and that means based on what's happened before, a kind of propensity to disrupt proceedings and make it kind of a circus. if that's your mindset, then who knows who they might be subpoenaing. but not people -- i think the game is up as far as actually trying to rebut the facts. so now it's all about process concerns and the like. >> surely, mary, the republicans will try to -- i mean, part of this will be key in cross-examination. right? go inhe microin a second.
they have the time. get in the flow asking questions, there will be cross-examination. explain how that will work to people. >> right. so this is a departure from the normal way hearings often go where each side, republicans and democrats, get five minutes apiece by representative be to ask questions. we've seen that before. we've seen it with the kauv nvah hearings it's disruptive. little consistency in the questions, little opportunity for witnesses to respond fully because of time constraints. so it's good to see that under the procedures announced today by virtue of the house resolution passed that we'll have a situation where there can be much more extended questioning, and, in fact, the questioning can be by house staff, how committee staff. which i think is fortunate, because these are lawyer whose have spent a lot of time looking into the evidence so far. looking into the law.
not only the criminal law but history of impeachment proceedings, and i think we'll be able to see and the american people during the public hearing will be able to hear a much more cohesive story come out as the hearings move forward. stay with me. i want to ask you about something else. following the new testimony on capitol hill today. this time this is coming in from the top russia adviser on president trump's national security council. his name is tim morrison. he just told house lawmakers he was worried that releasing that transcript of president trump's call with the ukrainian president would have negative consequences. talk about that ahead. also reality check from outside of washington. why voters in the key battleground state of pennsylvania are not all onboard with impeachment. and congresswoman katie hill blames what she calls a double it standard for her resignation after revenge porn photos of her were posted online. you will hear her final emotional speech on the house floor.
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right now tim morrison one of bolton's allies and on trump's national security council is currently behind doors on capitol hill. the second person who listened in on the phone call between president trump and president stlons s zelensky to sit in the congressional hot seat. new details about morrison's testimony and manu raju what have you learned? >> reporter: we've learned behind closed doors tim morrison testified he was told to steer clear of rudy giuliani. rudy giuliani, of course, was pursuing a parallel ukraine policy, something to carry out the president's directives and something to push for investigations to help the president politically, including into former vice president joe biden and his son and according to what morrison told house investigators, we are told he said that he was urged by a separate white house official at the time, fiona hill to stay away from rudy giuliani. he said that he did just that. he also according to a source i
spoke with seemed critical of the role that ambassador to the european union gordon sondland played in all this. son land come under crist simple and scrutiny about his role and push along with the president to carry out what the president wanted, which was those investigations. morrison is the second individual these investigators interviewed on that phone call in july between trump and zelensky. and, according to what we're told, it's that morrison testified he did not see anything illegal. "not concerned there was anything illegal on the call"'s he wasn't concerned by trump even asking zelensky for a favor. now, that's different than what alexander vindman, the other white house official who testified this week on the call said earlier this week when he said that he was concerned about a national security concern and even took those concerns to a national security council attorney. while mr. morrison said today he did not raise concerns with the
national security council instead was concerned the transcript of that call could be leaked and the reason he was concerned it could be leaked, i'm told, is because it could impact a polarized washington, also could undermine bipartisan support for ukraine. also could hurt perception of the, by the cynthukrainians of united states. more concerned about the contents and didn't see anything wrong with it and we know he corroborated what bill taylor, top diplomat for ukraine said last week. taylor referenced morrison throughout that testimony and even said taylor was terned that the president had withheld ukrainian aid in exchange for those investigations and backs up what he said. a difference on minor details but ultimately corroborated that. democrats will likely point to the corroboration and republicans say, he said there was nothing wrong with the call. brooke? >> got it. corroboration, but not concerned.
manu, thank you for the update on all things tim morrison. and harry, you first on what manu reported. the president and allies dismissed former ambassador bill taylor for relying on secondhand information, just part of that. really, the crux is, if morrison wasn't concerned about the call, why, then, this rush to put this transcript in this secure server at the white house? >> yeah. exactly. so, look, we have his six-page opening statement. he strongly corroboratines tayl, very bad for the white house and about giuliani shaping up and bolton, enemies two and three that he in -- a non-lawyer in his diplomatic mind was more worried about the effect on ukraine answer that possible impeachable offenses. i don't think that's either here nor there. he corroborates the facts. what matters most. the judgment of the facts now
falls to congress. >> surely, mary, i'm going to ask this to you. that the president will point to the fact that tim morrison sat there and said, nope. i listened in on the call. i wasn't concerned about anything illegal. but isn't the problem bigger than this july 25th phone call? like, this was a wide, kwo coordinated effort? >> i think the president will use this again to repeat his refrain this was a perfect call and pint to probably parts of mr. morrison's testimony, but i think as harry pointed out sort of the actions taken within the white house and outside of the white house by people within the administration don't really support that there wasn't alarm about this. there's been reporting of course, of john bolton's own reaction, we won't know unless and until we hear from him, or about any testimony he may present. we won't know directly until then, directly how he felt about it, but certainly we know what fiona hill has said about it
what mr. morrison said already today about having been directed no the to deal with giuliani. we know about the transcript having ellipses put into that. we know that vindman testified about that and about it being put into a highly secure system. so there's a lot of actual facts that have come out recently, which do show that regardless of what various people might have thought in particular was alarming ak the phone call and about the entire back and forth throughout the spring and the summer and into the fall of this year, that it was handled in a way that causes a lot of concerns for a lot of people, and that certainly i think supports that very many people had acknowledged something was wrong rwith this. >> you bring up john bolton. invited to testimony next week but says he will not show up without a subpoena. was he trying to send a message to the president saying that? and if so, what might he be trying to relay?
>> i don't know. i don't think he's dealing with the president anymore. he's gone and one pugnacious guy on his own. just caught in the middle, like kupperman and he wants a legal compulsion i think he'll get it and what he has to said will be really incendiary. the nominee for russian ambassador today was forced to say under oath that this was a quid pro quo, and it was wrong. so i just think it's going to be impossible for the administration, not withstanding the lone voice of the president saying it's perfect to hold that line. >> harry litman, thank you. mary mccord, appreciate you. coming up next, the trump campaign has released a new ad for, of course, president trump, and part of it attacking the impeachment process. so let's talk about this. and i want to play you sound from voters in the key battleground state of pennsylvania. >> well, we've already gone
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how are you feeling about the whole impeachment inquire ji many are split. some who supported the president in 2016 question what they will do in 2020. we're asking, is impeachment eveningen work it? our cnn national correspondent talked to voter in the battleground state of pennsylvania. >> what one thinks of impeachment. >> i think he deserves to be impeacheds. >> absolutely. >> reporter: off tracks with what one thinks of donald trump. >> what do you think of impeachmeimpeach me ment? >> it's bull. >> reporter: this man and his son are huge supporters of the president and proudly displaying trump flags like this one. they see impeachment as democrats trying to reverse the outcome of 2016. >> they're mad they lost and just trying to get him out. >> i think it's something the democrats are doing right now. just grabbing for straws,
really. >> reporter: washington county south of pittsburgh has trended republican for years. in 2016 donald trump beat clinton here by more than 25 points. aren't you excited for the first female president? >> no. >> i am. >> reporter: cnn was here on election day in 2016. this couple here married 37 years and die mat trekly ametri on candidates. has anything changed? >> no! >> reporter: both 90 they lovi g lovinglovin lovingly bicker. >> i think these a crook and he'll get us into a war. >> you're not dead and -- >> we're not done yet. >> reporter: jacqueline couldn't be more cleary. >> ridiculous. >> reporter: a lifelong democrat as oh opposed as ever as donald trump but impeachment. >> i don't know whether impeachment would solve anything or not. it would just create a lot of
upheaval, but i'm hoping to hell that he gets elected out of office. >> insurance is blown. >> reporter: cody spence a registered democrat in 2016 struggling to pay for health care and today his financial situation improved and's credits donald trump, i don't think at this point there is a reason to impeach him. get hard evidence the people of the country can see, that's a different story. >> reporter: some moderates question the wisdom of an impeachment fight now. >> well, we've already gone pretty far into this presidency. so do we really want to spend the last time of it impeaching someone who may or may not be elected again? >> reporter: more pregi iprogre democrats say full steam ahead regardless of the outcome. >> probably still favors democrats. >> reporter: goes on to win the election? >> a rough another four years. >> reporter: democratic officials here in washington county say that not only does dislike of donald trump help them, but impeachment does as
well. they have an off-year election coming up in a few days and say impeachment and dislike of trump is already driving voters and raising enthusiasm among democrats here and they expect that trend to continue through 2020. miguel marquez, cnn, washington county, pennsylvania. >> thank you for that. while the house was formalizing its resolution on the trump impeachment investigation today, democrats candidates swarming in other swing states. iowa. we find cnn's political director there and david chalian, migel's piece was fastcinatefascinating. curious where you are. what are you hearing from voters in places like iowa when it comes to trump and impeachment? >> a good question, brooke. last night i attended a house party that kamala harris was having in newton, iowa. by far her biggest applause line in the living room of this house, the stuff that excited democrats the most, when she said the lines ar getting rid of
donald trump. saying, thank you, and good-bye to him. gets the biggest applause. that's the democratic faithful as you saw in miguel's people there in pennsylvania. it's important to remember looking into sort of the politics of impeachment is when you look at those national polls, brooke, that show you a majority may want to impeach and remove donald trump from office when you look across some of the critical battleground states, those numbers are reversed. the majority do not want to impeach and remove donald trump from office, and this plays out district by district, which is why some of those democratic members of the house, majoritymakers, who come from districts donald trump won in 2019, they voted with nancy pelosi on this today for the most part, and republicans are pouncing to try to hang that vote around their neck, because in their districts back home where donald trump won this idea of impeaching and removing him is not a popular one. >> also ask you about that ad.
the trump campaign made a seven-figure ad during last night's game seven world series. here's a clip. >> president trump is changing washington. creating 6 million new jobs, 500,000 new manufacturing jobs, cutting illegal immigration in half. obliterated isis. their caliphate destroyed, their terrorist leader, dead. but democrats would rather focus on impeachment and phony investigations ignoring the real issues but that's not stopping donald trump. he's no mr. nice guy but sometimes that's what it takes to change washington. >> david, how effective is that? >> well it is an effective ad. i have little doubt. i think any ad consultant who looks at that, democrat or republican, would say, that's a pretty good way to get around some of the trump negatives. the chaos. by saying he may not be mr. nice
guy but he's busting things up in washington. here's the problem, brooke. the trump campaign's overwhelming financial advantage comes in here because they can put up ads with a tight, delivered message. talking about jobs and about manufacturing and even trying to put a positive spin on the president's tone and tenor and behavior. the problem, president trump tweets and that gets wiped away. from president's campaigns, media is important but not nearly as important as the overall narrative in the media every day unlike senate and house campaigns where you can really change the way someone thinks about a cabinet with an ad, we see donald trump behave every single day. this is where he gets in his own way. if he every day were delivering a message like that ad, brooke, he would be on a much more shore-footed path to re-election than he is. >> david chalian, thank you for all that. enjoy iowa.
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cases involving former deputy the national security adviser kuperman and mcgahn. insisting mcgahn has imprudenty frimprudenty -- immunity and on the other hand, questions whether he a obliged to testify. outside that courthouse where these cases are being heard. start with don mcgahn. we know the how has been seeking his appearance nearly a year. were you in the courtroom, what was the vibe like and did you get a sense of the judge and where she may be leaning? >> yeah, brooke. you really can sense the idea of this is a case of constitutional impact. right there in the courtroom. it's laid out in front of you. this bottom is about separation of powers. you can see it, because to your right in the courtroom is a table full of lawyers representing the house of representatives. congressmen. to your left is a table full of lawyers representing the justice department. the executive branch. the judge now, she clearly understands the importance of it's case and is locked in.
read the briefs carefully. asking very pointed questions of both sides. i have to say i've noticed a bit more skepticism from the judge towards the justice department lawyers. a bit more raised eyebrows, a little more, for real? are you arguing that? looks like the jich udge is fee the house of representatives argument and buying in with that more than with the executive branch. >> the other case? we know the white house is citing executive privilege over the second witness, charles kuperman. and john bolton, about the president's national security adviser. why? >> the two cases are closely related. so related beginning of this argument both sides said, your honor, don't be offended. 4:00 another argument and some lawyers have to leave, go down the hall and do the kuperman arguments. how close they are to one another, involving a fundamental question to what extent can congress compel testimony from people who the executive branch
doesn't want to testify. ultimately today's hearing is about kuperman. wherever he goes, john bolton will go. hard to see a distinction. both in a similar position. the outcome of kuperman will determine whether john bolton testifies as well. >> if the judge are to rule against the white house, what would the next steps be for these witnesses? >> yeah. whoever loses in this court, federal district court, trial-level court, brooke, certainly will appeal to the d.c. court of appeals. that's the next level up. you have an automatic right to do that and then from there if you lose you have the right to try to get it to the u.s. supreme court, but the u.s. supreme court does not have to take any given case. this is round one. important but still at least another round ahead. >> back in court today. times two. good to see you. thank you very much. coming up next, congresswoman katie hill says today is the first time show has left her house since revenge
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california congresswoman katie hill just dpliv edelivere final speech from the house floor, resigning in the wake of photos, nude photos leaked by her allegedly estranged husband she is divorcing. during her speech she said although she may be leaving she will not stop fighting for truth and accountability. >> i wasn't ready for my time here to come to an end so soon. it's a reality i'm still grappling with and will be for a long time to come. and i realize that hiding away and disappearing would be the one unforgivable sin. i will never shirk my responsibility for this sudden ending to my time here. but i have to say more, because this is bigger than me. i am leaving now because of a double standard. i am leaving because i no longer want to be used as a bargaining chip. i'm leaving because i didn't want to be peddled by papers and blogs and websites used by
shameless operatives for the dirtiest gutter politics i've ever seen and the right wing media to drive cliques and expand andianses displaying intd mitt photos of me. i've leaving because of a misogynistic -- capitalized on my sexuality and allowed my abusive ex to continue that abuse this time with the entire country watching. i am leaving because of the thousands of vile threatening emails calls and texts that made me fear for my life and the lives of the people that i care about. today is the first time i've left my apartment since the photos taken without my consent were released and i'm scared. i'm leaving because for the sake of my community, my staff, my family and myself, i can't allow this to continue. because i've been told that people were angry when i stood strong after the first article
was posted and that they had hundreds more photos and text messages they would release bit by bit until they broke me down to nothing while they used my faults in my past to distract from the things that matter most. i'm leaving because there is only one investigation that deserves the attention of this voted on today. 's the one we - >> hmm. may reston our cnn political reporter with me now. it was a powerful speech for her to give. when she mentioned she's resigning because of a double standard, what was she alluding to? >> well, she was talking about all of the men in the halls of congress who have withed stood allegati allegations and issues like this and stayed in power and alluded to allegations against brett kavanaugh, for example, and president trump, who was accused of sexual misconduct by more
than a dozen women as you know, brooke. so i think that this is, it was a powerful speech because it addressed the underlying complexity of her situation, and you heard her apologize. you know, no less than a half dozen times for what happened but this pledge she would speak out on these issues and be a voice for the many women who feel victimized because their exes or boyfriends have photos of them that could be published or used against them. and it's so complex and kind of tragic, just because she was really a political force within that freshman class but also there's a lot of moral issues here, too. and she addressed all of those today, brooke. >> i was talking to charlotte altar, for fr "time" magazine. she wrote a fascinating piece on basically how the headline was katie hill is the first
millennial lawmaker to resign because of nudes. she won't be the last. in terms of the culture on capitol hill, revenge porn, men and women but majority women, what can congress do at a federal level to better protect these victims? there's all kinds of legislation looking at this. most notably the shield act that's been introduced in the house and senate by two of the candidates running for president, amy klobuchar and kamala harris, that would address some of these issues. there's a patchwork of laws across the country. i think that's what her case has really highlighted, you know, here in california we have some of the strongest revenge porn laws, but it's really a patchwork. and a lot of women are just sort of testing the waters for the first time on this. she is calling and will be
calling in the coming weeks for federal officials to step up and take the lead here, brooke. >> as we continue to follow her and her story. we heard from speaker nancy pelosi about all of this. her word was shameful, that congresswoman hill was publicly humidity by cyber exploitation. speaker pelosi made other noteworthy comments behind closed doors? what did she say? >> she has been -- that's been such a fascinating thing. katie hill was certainly a protege of hers. she was one of the first people to support nancy pelosi and so her comments today were really interesting in that she talked about warning her grandchildren and the next generation about being more cautious with these photos and politico is reporting, obviously, that pelosi had said this was a sad situation. and it goes to show you that we should say to young candidates and kids in kindergarten really
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the president blasting his hand-picked fed chief for his decisions the last couple of years. i'm brooke baldwbaldwin. we head to jake tapper with "the lead." far more often than world series wins. "the lead" starts now. breaking today, house of representatives officially votes to proceed with the impeachment inquiry into president trump, historic vote sending the investigation into a whole new phase, and president trump deeper into crisis. senator mitch mcconnell has a message for president trump, stop attacking your fellow republicans because your presidency could depend on them. whether key witnesses close to president trump can keep their secret conversations secret.