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things. it's a huge list of achievements but overshadowed by impeachment. don't go anywhere. brianna keilar starts right now. have a great evening and a great weekend. i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's washington headquarters. this is an historic day for america with a vote that took just around six minutes. the house judiciary committee approved articles of impeachment against president donald j. trump. one for abuse of power, one for obstruction of congress making president trump the fourth u.s. president to face impeachment. >> today is a solemn and sad day. for the third time in a little over a century and a half, the house judiciary committee has voted articles of impeachment
against the president for abuse of power and obstruction of congress. the house will act expeditiously. thank you. >> cnn correspondent manu raju is live for us on capitol hill. tell us, manu, about this vote and what comes next. >> a historic partisan vote after weeks of investigation and also several days of contentious fighting in the house judiciary committee. those articles approved along a party line basis by a vote of 23-17. both counts won on abuse of power alleging the president violated his oath of office in his handling of ukraine and pushing investigations into his political rival. an accusation the president used his office to do just that. also a count on obstruction of congress, alleging the president did not participate in the impeachment inquiry, though
democrats say this was unprecedented stonewalling to have a co-equal branch of government. those two now move to the house floor. that house expected to vote in the middle of next week. that vote also expected to be quite partisan, very contentious, also historic. the third time in american history a president could get impeached by the house. also we are expecting the president to be in lock step with president trump. we are not hearing of any republican defections, even a handful of moderates remaining in conference tell me they're planning to vote against those articles. we do expect at least two democrats to defect and vote also against those articles. the question is will more democrats ultimately decide they can't support the articles, but at the moment, brianna, it is pretty clear a majority of the house does support impeaching the president, and thats going to happen in just a matter of days. brianna? >> president trump is denying to
today's vote, and the democrats are, quote, trivializing impeachment. kaitlan collin is covering there live for us. >> when he says they're trivializing impeachment, something we know privately the president is indifferent to. listen to how he described this effort and also when he was asked by a reporter, does he want a trial that's long or short? >> it's a scam. it's something that shouldn't be allowed. it's a very big deal. you're trivializing impeachment. i tell you what, someday there will be a democratic president and a republican house, and i suspect they're going to remember it. >> do you prefer a short protces
in the senate or a more extended process? >> i heard lindsey talk about quicker, but i can do whatever. i'll do long or short. >> lindsey graham said yesterday he doesn't believe there should be witnesses called in that senate trial. of course, that will be what the senator and the president decide. we should note the president was speaking to reporters after we saw rudy giuliani arriving at the white house earlier. he seems undeterred by federal prosecutors who are probing his business. he still went to a trip to ukraine in recent days despite all that. there you see him entering his white house today. that's the sbaentrance to the w wing where rudy giuliani was going in. despite rudy giuliani's return, brianna, his plane was still taxiing down the runway when the president called him to ask him
what he got, and now he says he's going to provide it in a 20-page prourt. >> we have julian epstein many. he's a cnn legal analyst and our chief political correspondent da dana bash. i want to reflect on what we saw today. how would you describe what you saw, this vote in the house committee to go ho tto the hous? >> it's a completely different thing when you're actually watching those members of congress take those votes. even the republicans, who were very vocal, screaming at times about their outrage, democrats, too, about the outrage the
president took. we saw none of that. they met the history of the moment on both sides. i was struck by the fact that martha robey is retiring. she had her young son in her lap. that it it will. >> the next step, then, is going to be a full house vote. manu is reporting they seem to have the votes, there seems to be a majority to push this through the senate t and mitch mcconnell had this to say on fox news last night. >> everything i do, i'll be working with white house counsel. i'llen doing this until the
senate. >> is this how it's supposed to work, the majority is working with the white house? >> nothing is how it's supposed to work in the trump administration. frankly, what you saw there is the president has broken the modern republican party. it's almost like the pottery barn rule, you broke it, you bought it. his grip is so strong that they're all acting in a manner where the fear of the angry tweet is driving their behavior, even on this incredibly conscientious of being in the position of allowing in the history of attorneys is we'll
allow house and senate trials. >> i'm curious, julian, when it comes to the clinton impeachment, in the senate you didn't have democrats fully in lock step with president clinton. there was a question -- is one senator in many ways. it wasn't so clear going in. >> in 1998, we got along with our republican counterparts. i got along with the republican key at that time. we liked each other, respected each other. the public opinion in 1998 was clearly on the side of clinton, clearly on one side. here it's very, very split. one side now seems to be just totally ignoring and boycotting the rules. that was very, very different
from what happened in 1998. so it's dramatically different. this almost has an alyce in wonderland given the context of a president impeachment. it sort of sounds like politics as usual. impeachment becomes politics by other means. americans are very involved in it. it sort of feels like the two sides aren't listening to each other, they're just sort of contentious with each other. one side doesn't have to play by the rules anymore, the democrats are doing what they're doing to defend the constitution, there's something very disturbing about this one. one side doesn't even feel like they have to participate and play by the rules. >> speaking of politics as
usual, look at some recent history, right, the clinton impeachment that he would have faced impeachment had he not resigned. you're seeing three of the four presidents either being impeached or facing impeachment, it's happens . >> "axios" has an ad this morning saying it's more common. there were people who believe joe beb. the last few weren't called because those articles of impeachment weren't serious. so the simple fact that more people are being impeached over time doesn't change the fact
th that obama or bush or clinton didn't change in recent history. >> my brief theory is if you go back, nixon, the notion of televised hearings was a relatively new thichblgt. >> and mathen fast forward to clinton. people were pretty engaged in her news. fast forward to trump where people can rangel up the base. >> to just tease it out a little bit, when john dean testified in the summer of 1974, 80 million people tuned in.
when we were going through the clinton impeachment in 1998, we had about 30 million people tuned in. we are directed by the twitter movement and the culture wars. a question i have, is there a public square that's left? is there a place where the country comes together, has a conversation about an important issue, other than an election every four years, do they make a decision? >> it certainly happened in 1994, certainly sided with trump now. if you're the 47% who likes trump, you're for impeachment. if you're not, you're not for
trump. >> let's keep clinton out of this, but again, what we're talking about here is the inviting of foreign interference in american lives. >> you're making a constitutional argument which i agree with and i think the democrats are doing the right thing. dana and i are doing a different thing that figurine theical-- te a decision in clinton that it was wrong. they made a decision that it was not wrong. it sort of starts to feel like the president -- >> this president is going up for election in a short time. they are limiting the president's access to calls from
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the number of white house personnel listening to the phone calls. it began early in this administration to limit a number of people with inside information about those conversations. after a career stopper, they raised questions about the president's call with the ukranian leader. their roles included taking notes and providing evidence to the transcript of the conversations meant to clarify what was said. now only a handful of political officials listen in, these sources tell us. one source jokingly called this the vindman rule, referring there to alex vindman. the president actually spoke about alex vindman in the oval, seeming to mock him, saying he was another beauty. he also said he was able to confirm that transcript. now, we do know he said it was substantially correct.
brianna? >> alexander vindman is a patriot, right? he's in the military, he has a purple heart. just want to be clear as the president critiques him. so, alex, i wonder what the effect of this is, because when you look at the people who testified, some of whom had access to this call or listened to this call, you wonder what the effect is. does that mean that if something like that happened again that there would be no one there to attest to wrongdoing? >> essentially this is an effort to reflect the fear and paranoia in the white house. fear that there are leaks, paranoia about the so-called deep state. and what pam hit on right there about the vindman rule, that basically sums it up. they are stripping out the careerist, the policymakers. as one told me, the effect is a small circle of loyalists in policy decisions. what you've now got are these phone calls where people who, on a day-to-day basis, are talking to, dealing with, forming policy
around this country or these regions. they are no longer participating, and oftentimes they are no longer seeing these transcripts. so essentially you're setting up a situation where you can have the president and his inner circle who are pushing a position, pushing a policy, and then the day-to-day professionals, those mid-level careerists, they might be working -- >> on the more normal level of policy. >> right. instead you've got two hands that aren't talking to each other, so that sets up things for a very incoherent foreign policy, and that's exactly what we saw when it came to ukraine. >> it sounds like a disaster. this is great reporting. thank you both very much. the articles of impeachment accident sent to the house floor who will be voting in the canex. i'm going to speak to one who will be voting. a slew of violent criminals, including convicted murderers and reportedly a child rapist
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he also told me of another case in kenton county of a person impersonating a police officer who made traffic stops on women. he said the only way he would be stopped is to propose guns again. we're trying to see if we can reach him or his former staff. here's what we know. he told the "washington post" this. he said, i'm a big believer in second chances. i think this was a nation that was founded on the concept of redemption and second chances and new pages in life. so, brianna, we are trying to figure out more details about the specific cases, but right now a lot of victims' families are in shock. >> it's understandable they were in shock, right? because they didn't see this coming. they weren't actually told these criminals were going to be pardoned? >> at least, that's what we're hearing from another prosecutor in kentucky who told the
"washington post" that he saw these reports in the media and rushed to tell some of these families who may not have known yet. so this is really difficult. we heard from the mom of a girl who was raiped and she said, ths is like a slap in the face, like we're living this trauma all over again. i want to mention the prosecutor i spoke with in kenton county said prosecutors across kentucky have been trying to get a complete list of the people pardoned and whose sentences were commuted since tuesday, and they haven't been able to get that. so they had to file an open records request to get the whole list to see who all has been pardoned. and we know now that some state lawmakers have told the louisville currier journal that they want to see an investigation from an independent prosecutor into at least one of these cases, brianna. >> natasha, thank you for following this story. we appreciate it. it is an historic day here in washington as the house judiciary committee moves
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president trump is now the fourth u.s. president to face an impeachment vote. next week when the full house votes on the two articles of impeachment against him, he's likely going to be the third to actually be impeached by the full house of representatives. we have democratic congressman roe koenig on right now. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> you represent bathe bay area correct? your constituents would have a hard time if you didn't vote for impeachment? >> i got a loud round of applause when i said i was going to. >> you have colleagues who won in the same districts that president trump won in the last cycle. i wonder what you say to them. it seems like at least a few of them are going to vote against the articles of impeachment, and there must be others who are incredibly worried about what this means and whether they're
properly representing their constituents. >> many of them have spoken out in caucus meetings and they said they're comfortable voting against impeachment, the president shouldn't be compromising our national security for permanent gain, and they feel comfortable because it has to do withstanding up for the rule of law in the constitution. that is how i think most feel. there may be a few defections but i believe this vote is going to be overwhelming. >> what do you say to those few who, it appears, may not stand with the rest of the caucus? >> i say put idealogy aside. do you want to set a precedent that the president of the united states can ask foreign leaders to investigate american citizens and also political rivals? why do you want to condone that, whether it's a republican or a democrat? don't you want a citizen where we have checks on executive power? look at other countries. sometimes you have far left people in other countries running roughshod over the rule
of law, and that doesn't help create stable, prosperous societies. that's what i would say. >> should they be willing to stake their job, their career, the possibility that maybe they're not representing uniformly their constituents on that decision? would you say to them, yeah, this may be a tough decision. you may pay for this personally but you should? >> i would say you should vote your conscience. it's not for me to go tell other members how they should vote on something this big. but i would say this is something we're all going to be judged for in history. vote for conscience, vote to uphold the constitution, and if you have that conviction, i don't think this will be a determining issue in 2020. >> so if the house impeaches, which it appears that's where this is headed, then it goes on to the senate, right? we're expected to see a trial there. the majority leader of the na senate, mitch mcconnell, said this on fox news last night.
>> the president may or may not decide. the case is so weak. we all know how it's going to end. there is no chance the president will be removed from office. >> he is in consultation can white house lawyers. what's your reaction to that? >> it's outrageous. the constitution gives the senate the independent authority to exercise checks on the presidency. these are supposed to be statesmen. our founders said they have a six-year term because they would be independent. and for mcconnell to basically say the president is going to set the terms of the trial, that the president is going to get to decide the timetable and who is called? our founders would be rolling over in their graves if they heard that. >> i want to ask you about rudy giuliani, the president's pro bono lawyer, who was just in ukraine. according to the "wall street journal," his first call back before he was even off the plane was to president trump. he was just at the white house this morning. all of this happening at the
white house. it was pretty stunning as we see the committee voting to send articles of impeachment with this huge scandal that rudy giuliani is part of this. what do you make of rudy giuliani being back there? >> this is a prime example of not holding the president accountable. why would you be meeting with rudy giuliani? it's because this president feels totally above the law. he's lock step with the republican. what is the check on this president? >> i want to ask you since i have you here, you are the co-chair of the bernie sanders campaign. he made a controversial endorsement for someone who is running for katy hill's seat in california, for chank weager. i'm sure you're aware of several
sexist comments, for instance, rating women on a scale of 1 to 10 as to whether men should be allowed to perform oral sex on them. we're talking really gross stuff. what is your thought on endorsing bernie sanders for this person? >> i wish katy hill were running for the seat. she should not have been asked to resign and she should not have resigned. she has a big future. my understanding is he has apologized for them. he has said they're clearly inappropriate, many of whom were disgusting. senator sanders has endorsed him because of his platform on medicare for all, on free public college, on reducing defense spending, and i believe that jenk is running on a progressive platform and he said he made horrendous comments that he shouldn't have. >> in terms of ranking the women, that was in the 13th
episode of his show. he defended the harvard university's men's soccer team. the "new york times" reported on quite a list of this. in 2016 for ravnking the sex appeal of students on a scale of 1 to 10. he basically dismissed it as, this is sort of what happens. this isn't ancient history, it's recent. you also have, for instance, the governor of california backs bernie sanders saying, this is not what we want. we don't want bernie sanders supporting this person. >> there are a lot of progressives who have supported jenk. a lot of progressives have gone on his show. and he has been advocating for progressive values. i think the important thing is for him to unequivocally, clearly condemn any of those past statements and say that they were wrong and that he has moved on and understood why they
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>> there's two concessions. there is the immediate concession where trump agreed to roll back tariffs on china, which makes it kind of unlikely that china will come back for a phase 2 deal. it's a small deal they struck today. the biggest concession is it doesn't address all the big problems in the u.s.-china economic relationship, economic espionage, predatory acquisitions, you name it. the president says that's all going to be in phase 2, but if you believe there's going to be a phase 2, i've got a bridge in brooklyn i'm going to sell you. >> because you think he's taking the incentive to come back and fix the things that the u.s. wants china to fix. why did he approach it this way, as you understand it? >> let's look back at the record. in may they had this big deal that china wouldn't sign. in october they had a deal better than this one that china wouldn't sign. so this is what president trump had to do to get the president to sign on the dotted line. the markets seem a little
confused about it, frankly, but in the end we know what china got. they got tariff rollbacks. what did we get? deals that might be good for wall street but not for america. now that we have no more pressure, why would he come back to the able to? the president caved. where we are. >> could this affect -- he's not telling it that way. how are voters, maybe going to see this? could they feel some pain from this? >> two baskets. those affected by the trade war, they get short-term relief and the country at large says we really need to do something about this. soybeans moo boost sales in the short term, what look it look like in the long-term. when we go to the polls, chinese
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the fix included in the bill that funds the entire defense department and after some holdups that bill is expected to move through the senate by early next week. this is a huge victory for military spouses and families who have been lobbying for this for decades. the funding bill addresses the privatized military housing crisis which has resulted in families living on military bases struggling with mold, rodent infestation and even lead poisoning. the measures described by congress are "the most substantial overhaul since on-base housing was privatized in the '90s." comments? story ideas for homefront, please, send me an ema email @email@example.com. more than 24 hours since president trump went after 16-year-old climate activist greta thunberg on twitter after crowned "times" person of the year. he tweeted she shouldfternoon a
and chill. melania trump made combating cyberbullying a primary focus since taking on her position as first lady and i'm joyed by cnn's kate bennett out with a new book actually "free, mannia melania." the president targeting a 16-year-old. and about the fact she as as be berg -- asperger's syndrome. she calls it her superpower. how damaging is it for the first lady to stay silent here? >> i think it's damaging for a couple reasons. one, just last week a little more than a week ago she tweeted about barron trump and being involved a minor child in politics one of the law professors testified on the hill brought up his name using as an analogy. the first lady went after that person for bringing up kids.
so i think it's fair to discuss this, and also i think it's fair because she has made cyberbully part of her platform. give an speech several times about stopping cyberbullying visited with microsoft, with facebook and twitter talking about ways to be kind online and never addressed the president directly but has said before last night it's not news or surprising to me critics of media have chose ton ridicule me for speaking out on this and that's okay. knows there's criticism but this is one instance she should probably perhaps say something for the sake of the best in her initiative. this is a kid. >> quickly what would happen if she did say something? took issue? >> we would, the story would come out against her husband and conflict with him, but the way here, the message she trying to moment and what's happening in real life and most things i don't think she should be responsible for what a spouse said. nobody should. one time taken it on.
tweeted about kids being in the political sphere last week. this is one time people want to hear from her. >> thank you. that's it for me. "newsroom with brooke baldwin" starts right now. brianna, thank you. hi there. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn on this friday afternoon. thank you for being here. today will be remembered as a monumental day not only in the had is tris of the trump white house but in the history of the united states of america. >> today is a solemn and sad day. for the third time in a little over a century and a half the house judiciary committee has voted articles of impeachment against the president. for abuse of power, and obstruction of congress. the house will act