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>> this morning mike bloomberg is hoping what happens in vegas stays in vegas. the general feeling is he got battered and bruised during last night's democratic debate. the former new york city mayor had not been on debate stage in more than a decade, and his rivals attacked him over the policing of minorities, over his treatment of women and his billionaire status. many of the blows came from an energized elizabeth warren. she fought like she had nothing to lose after less than stellar results in iowa and new hampshire. front-runner bernie sanders also on the defense at times over his health, his wealth and the ugly tactics used by some of his online supporters. >> the bloomberg campaign all but admitted his performance was lacking and they say literally he was just warming up. so what impact will that showing have on the bloom curious? and then there was the bitter
standoff between pete buttigieg and amy klobuchar that culminated with her asking if he was calling her dumb. and my question is what do they see that makes them think they need to run through cnn's arlette saenz has the highlight of the debate. >> reporter: well, john, there were a lot of fireworks last night in las vegas. one candidate who benefitted from that was elizabeth warren. her campaign saying she raised more than $2 million on debate day as she also won one metric. speaking time. but all of these candidates came ready to fight last night in the most fiery and contentious debate yet. is the democrats were ready to rumble against michael bloomberg. >> the fact of the matter is he has not managed his city very well when he was there. >> i don't think you look at
donald trump and say we need someone richer in the white house. >> reporter: front runner bernie sanders delivering the first blow. >> in order to beat donald trump, we're going to need the largest voter turnout in the history of the united states. mr. bloomberg had policies in new york city of stop and frisk. that is not a way you're going to grow voter turnout. >> reporter: bloomberg firing back at sanders throughout the night. >> i don't think there's any chance of the senator beating president trump. it's a wonderful country we have. the best known socialist in the country happens to be a millionaire with three houses. what'd i miss here? >> reporter: elizabeth warren was ready to strike zeroing in on the former new york city mayor's alleged treatment of women. >> i'd like to talk about what we're running against. a billionaire who calls women fat broads and horse faced lesbians. and no, i'm not talking about donald trump. i'm talking about mayor bloomberg. but understand this. democrats take a huge risk if we just substitute one arrogant
billionaire for another. >> reporter: fighting to keep her campaign alive, warren delivered attack after attack against bloomberg. >> he has gotten some number of women, dozens, who knows. to sign nondisclosure agreements both for sexual harassment and for gender discrimination in the workplace. so mr. mayor, are you willing to release all of those women from those nondisclosure agreements so we can hear their side of the story? [ cheers and applause ] >> we have a very few nondisclosure agreements. let me finish. >> how many is that? >> none of them accuse me of doing anything other than not liking a joke i told. they decided when they made an agreement they wanted to keep it quiet. they signed the agreements. that's what we're going to live with. >> this is also a question about
electability. we are not going to beat donald trump with a man who has who knows how many nondisclosure agreements and the drip drip drip of stories of women saying they have been harassed and discriminated against. >> reporter: pete buttigieg made sure bloomberg wasn't the only candidate on stage with a target on his back. >> most americans don't see where they fit if they've got to choose between a socialist who thinks that capitalism is the root of all evil and a billionaire who thinks money ought to be the root of all power. let's put forward somebody who's actual a democrat. >> reporter: and a mid western melee igniting when -- in a recent interview. >> i wish everyone was as perfect as you people. yes, that's right. and i said that i made an error. i think having a president that maybe is humble and is able to admit that here and there maybe wouldn't be a bad thing. >> but you're staking your
candidacy on your washington experience. >> are you trying to say that i'm dumb or are you mocking me here, pete? i said i made an error. >> reporter: klobuchar trying to shift the focus back on the candidates' real opponents. we have not been talking enough about donald trump and let's just talk about donald trump. >> reporter: now, the nefss caucuses are just two days away as these candidates are making their closing pitch to voters here. and tonight there are two more cnn presidential town halls on the stage right behind me with joe biden and elizabeth warren. >> all right. arlette saenz for us in nevada for us. so what has changed this morning? what is different about this race? stick around. you're going to want to hear from our experts next. robinhood believes now is the time to do money.
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and he was greeted by an onslaught of bruising attacks most pointedly by senator elizabeth warren. >> he has gotten some number of women, dozens, who knows? to sign nondisclosure agreements. so mr. mayor, are you willing to release all of those women from those nondisclosure agreements so we can hear their side of the story? >> none of them accused me of doing anything other than maybe they didn't like the joke i told. and let me just -- >> there was more, but here we are. let's bring in david gregory, cnn political analyst. bakari sellers. and the author of the forthcoming book "the populist's guide to 2020." krystal, i'll begin with you. how do you think that bloomberg, his much anticipated debut went? >> it was an utter and complete disaster. and i'm sure that he realized halfway through he should have just stayed home.
he was doing better just buying paid media. rather than having to actually respond to attacks. what is the pitch mike bloomberg is making? he's making the electability pitch. i'm the guy whether you love me or not, i am the guy who can defeat donald trump. and last night on that stage, he looked like absolutely anything but that. and that is the major issue for him. and you have to think -- john, you were pointing this out earlier. bernie sanders came into last night the front runner. the only candidate who really could even rival him in terms of ultimately winning the nomination seemed to be michael bloomberg. and that took a massive hit last night. >> so the question i have is that some of these questions you could see coming from a million miles away. there are questions you see the day you enter the race for a guy like michael bloomberg has to do with stop and frisk and also with the sexual harassment claims against his company.
but this is his answer on stop and frisk, the policing policies when he was in new york city. listen to this. >> i've sat, i've apologized, i've asked for forgiveness. but the bottom line is we stopped too many people, but the policy -- we stopped too many people and we've got to make sure we do something about criminal justice in this country. there is no great answer to a lot of these problems. and if we took off everybody that was wrong off this panel, everybody that was wrong on criminal justice at some time in their careers, there'd be nobody else up here. >> two questions. number one, what does it tell you he wasn't ready for a better answer to that question? and two, the bigger issue with bloomberg this morning is there are people out there who were curious. you said this. there were a lot of voters that have seen the ads. there were a lot of voters who want to beat donald trump and are bloom curious about whether bloomberg is the guy to do it. so how much of an impact will that performance last night have on all this?
>> i mean, look. the performance was god awful. it was one of the worst performances. i don't know what my level of expectation was for michael bloomberg, but he didn't meet that. it's amazing to someone who has billions of dollars and all of these resources not spend any money on debate prep. if he did, he probably fired them all before the plane left las vegas. so it was a deplorable performance. i think that as i said earlier, those curious individuals and krystal was right. that for many people, the only person who could rival bernie sanders as his field is winnowing and we're getting to nevada, south carolina, and then the big debate hall -- or the big delegate hall of super tuesday. people thought it was going to be michael bloomberg. after last night's performance, i'm sure bloomberg wishes he never showed up. people are used to big losses at the craps table. but it's very rare you see somebody take a loss like that on a debate stage. and i think the two people who will benefit from that are elizabeth warren and more so joe
biden. again, you started to see joe biden's lead with african-americans get cut some by michael bloomberg. and that was because of the ads they saw that portrayed him as taking on donald trump. donald trump will destroy michael bloomberg if last night is what happens. by everybody else on stage last night, he just didn't prove himself to be a good candidate. i don't think that's going to change next week in south carolina on the debate stages. because i just can't harp on how disappointing that performance was by the mayor. >> well, his campaign claims it is going to change. here's what they said, david. quote, it took mike just three months to build a stronger campaign than the rest of the field has built in more than a year. it took him just 45 minutes in his first debate in 10 years to get his legs on the stage. he was just warming up tonight. we fully expect mike will continue to build on tonight's performance when he appears on the stage in south carolina next tuesday. your thoughts?
>> well, i think the problem is it's too late in the game to have a really bad first impression. you know, you're blanketing the airwaves, hundreds of millions of dollars you're spending on putting ads throughout the super tuesday states. then you completely underwhelm and bomb in your first debate. i'm sympathetic to the idea he'll up against other candidates who have been doing this for as he said two years in preparation and they've already had eight debates. and i don't think he's going to get that kind of room. and the biggest thing is why do you want to be president? what's your narrative? what's your rationale? he certainly didn't seem ready for the number one defensive question around stop and frisk. i can in 20 seconds come up with a better answer for what he was trying to do, the fact that he sought amends, that he has support from african-american leaders, and what that support is built on for him to try to make that case. but i will say the other winner
in all of this and i think krystal alluded to it is bernie sanders. it was striking to me how threatening all of the candidates found michael bloomberg that they failed to really try to knock down bernie sanders. even in elizabeth warren's terrific performance and certainly got a lot of support from her supporters. bernie sanders is still the primary impediment to her moving forward and she didn't really take him on. i thought that was true across the board. >> to that point and i think david raises a great question about that. bernie sanders came in the front runn runner. he probably left the front runner as well. elizabeth warren had a debate performance that a lot of people said was terrific. what does she see as her path? i really want an answer. i'm curious. i'm trying to figure out what she's doing now that she thinks will help her win the nomination. does it go through sanders supporters? is it the other perceived lane right now? >> yeah. i think it's very tough for her
at this point. and she did have a phenomenal debate performance last night. i think she did herself a lot of favors. a lot of folks have already voted in nevada, but i would certainly expect her to improve. especially with that white college educated voter. and that gets to your question. look, she and pete and amy primarily have been competing for that sort of white affluent liberal vote which is the vote that has shifted around the most, right? they were with pete. they were with amy. now i bet they would give elizabeth warren a look. that's enough to give you a bump in the polls. it is not enough ultimately to get you the nomination. i think that's the issue for her. bernie sanders has largely consolidated the progressive lane. fing you're her campaign, she thinks amy had a moment. she was able to get the comeback narrative. if warren could grab a second in nevada and hang on best she can in south carolina and head into super tuesday where california has been a relatively decent state for her, maybe she can
make a case. maybe the most important answer of the night is when all of the candidates got asked what they would do if there was one candidate who had a plurality but not a majority of the delegates going to the convention. and every single candidate including elizabeth warren and except for bernie sanders said they would let the convention rules play out meaning that they want the superdelegates to try to get involved on their behalf. and if we come down to a contested convention where bernie sanders gets a plurality of the delegates but not a majority, that means things could get very ugly. >> bakari, we have to let you go because we have -- hang on, david. baka bakari who helped write the rules on the dnc conventions that bernie sanders might be upset about at convention time. >> i think that's hilarious. yeah. bernie sanders helped write the dnc rules that bernie sanders now doesn't want to help follow. the rules are the rules. you can't get in and then say i don't want to play by those
rules. i do think, though, you know, that the party has a -- not a decision to make, but has to understand that it will be messy. and i think when you get to a convention if it is contested and bernie sanders has a plurality by a large mahrgin, he's going to be the nominee. if it comes in and it's close, i don't know what will happen. you just have to understand that it's a bit of hypocrisy when you write the rules then all of a sudden don't want to play by them. >> i know bakari is going. david gregory, you're first up after this quick break. >> okay. so there was also a bit of fight last night between klobuchar and buttigieg. what did they get out of that? and what about joe biden? we discuss that next. - [spokeswoman] meet the ninja foodi pressure cooker,
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between mayor pete buttigieg and senator amy klobuchar is last night's debate. watch this. >> you're literally in part of the committee that's overseeing these things. and we're not able to speak to literally the first thing to the politics of the crisis. >> are you trying to say that i'm dumb or are you mocking me here, pete? >> been unusual among democrats, i think the democrat among all of the senators running for president most likely to vote for donald trump's judges who we know are especially hostile to dreamers and to the rights of immigrants. >> i wish everyone was as perfect as you, pete. you know what? you have not been in the arena doing that work. you've memorized a bunch of talking points. >> and it was every bit as uncomfortable in the moment as it is on replay. back with us, david gregory, krystal ball, also joining us karen finney. david, i want to start with you because we cut you off early.
anything on the buttigieg and klobuchar or anything else. >> i found that moment to be uncomfortable as well. i thought it was interesting elizabeth warren jumping to amy klobuchar's defense. i don't know if you thought this. i don't have that kind of sympathy when he couldn't remember the leader of pakistan in the interview in 1999 or 2000 that got him in a lot of trouble. i think, you know, i'm not sure what it does for them. otherwise in these debates there's real tension between these candidates. and i think that's been building. and i think from a tactical or strategic point of view, this campaign is not big enough for the two of them. and they recognize that. it's one of the reasons that is motivating that. the other thing i wanted to inject in our conversation is i do think even though we can look at individuals and say who did well, who did poorly, i do think it was not a great look overall for the democrats. and i think that donald trump stands to gain from that. i think them talking over each
other, being very hostile with each other, everybody with that look of their hands up and claims of, you know, who's a capitalist, who wants to burn the house down. there's different ways of looking at that. i don't know that that was a great look for the party. >> i want to ask you about that, karen. because for candidates who have been preaching on the trail unity and who talk about yawnty as opposed to the toxicity they believe comings out of the trump white house, is this the right way? are these the right tactics to go about demonstrating that ethos? >> i have to tell you, i felt the tension through my television, right? from the second it started. clearly every person on that stage felt the need -- felt the pressure. i think they were all trying to have a good night or a good moment. some of them did. some of them didn't. but i think when we talk about unity, i think most democrat who is are watching this, most voters watching this know that, look. it's a contest.
somebody's got to emerge as the winner. we can talk unity. and i think a lot of what the unity talk is really about is when there's a nominee, we all have to come together. and also trying to -- how we build a coalition, a unified coalition behind yourself as you search for the nomination. but i don't think people expect on the stage, you know, for it to be too nice. i agree with david. overall there were definitely moments where you just couldn't hear anybody. and that's never good. >> it's interesting and one counterintuitive point i'll make. i know twitter isn't always representative of america. >> it's un-american. >> it is un-american. >> it's mean america. >> but the most tweeted about moment in the debate for all the talk about the attacks on michael bloomberg, all the talk about the awkward moments between buttigieg and klobuchar, the most tweeted about moment is something bloomberg said about bernie sanders. sop play that.
>> what a wonderful country we have. the best known socialist in the country happens to be a millionaire with three houses. what'd i miss here? >> bernie sanders has a house in vermont, washington, d.c., and a lake front property. >> which he needs. a summer cabin. >> every vermonter apparently has. except my family in vermont. krystal, is there the possibility that voters watching this debate and not just the voters in nevada which votes in a couple days, but south carolina and super tuesday where 40% of the delegates are up for grabs on march 3rd. is it possible that they saw something different overall or could take something different away from this? >> well, here's what's interesting to me, john. we keep hearing this line that bernie sanders hasn't been vetted. oh, as soon as he's the nominee the trump campaign is going to drop on him and it's going to be a disaster.
and yet whenever anyone tries to come after him, it's with the same old recycled attacks we've been hearing since 2016. it's he's a socialist so he's unelectable. or he's got too many houses. which is, like, how is that relevant to everybody getting health care? >> but hold on, krystal. it's that he's -- he is hitting at other people for their wealth. okay? he's going after them for being billionaires. and so isn't it effective when bloomberg says, and you're a millionaire. >> does anyone really think that there's any equivalence between michael bloomberg with his $60 billion who's literally able -- >> it's the principle. it's the principle of being -- they've pointed out he no longer says millionaires and billionaires are the problem. because he's become a millionaire. >> that's my point. people have been trying to level this attack against bernie sanders including the trump campaign. and it just isn't effective. because people see his consistency. they like his principles. and they see that there is a
world of difference between a billionaire oligarch like michael bloomberg who owns his own propaganda channel and somebody like bernie sanders who has been not wealthy most of his life, wrote a book, et cetera, and has been very consistently sticking to his values and principles there. i just don't think it lands ultimately. >> you know, the thing about that is -- >> can i just make -- >> -- why not just be honest? the problem i have with that. i agree with a lot of bernie's ideas. the problem i have in addition to some of the attacks, it's like the medical records. you said you were going to be transparent, release everything. then you changed your mind. okay. fine. stick with that. don't try to have a spokesperson go out and talk about birtherism or any of that silliness. just stick to the line. you know, acknowledge, yes, you wrote some books. i believe jane has some wealth that they don't like to talk about. but just own that. but still make the point that you are -- here are the things you're fighting for. rather than trying to, you know, talk around and say it's an
attack that doesn't work. it's the truth. so just acknowledge the truth and move on. >> i think he did acknowledge the truth. he said, look. here's where my houses are. >> but you're not, krystal. it is what it is. he's a millionaire. there's nothing wrong with that. >> but i don't think he's ever tried to run away from that is my point. >> i think spokes people try to. go ahead, david. >> this is not what's important, i don't believe. it's not whether bernie sanders is a millionaire. it's whether he thinks billionaires are immoral. and there's plenty of people who may agree with him, but there's a lot of other voters who are going to sit back and say, all right. this is really what i have to sit and think about. is accumulated wealth in the country, is achieving your goals, is that really a problem? so i think that sanders represents a movement. he's a movement politician. i don't think that people are looking up and saying he's got vermont water front and therefore he's a hypocrite. i think the other thing is that we're so dialed in to di secting people, i think we can sit back
and take more kind of, you know, gut check views of how these candidates did and everybody's going to make an initial impression based on that. there's still more time to go even for bloomberg who had a bad start. >> great to have you on this morning. >> thank you for the spirited debate about all of this. >> we should all go visit a lake front property together. >> let's do it. i wish your family had one. >> we don't have it. and bernie sanders happens to be in a very nice location. >> he wins. all right. we have more coming from nevada tonight. two back-to-back presidential town halls right here on cnn. joe biden 8:00 p.m. elizabeth warren at 9:00 p.m. eastern. i got to say, it'll be fascinating to see how they carry on their debate performances to the stage tonight. also this. roger stone will be sentenced in a matter of hours. will the long-time friend of president trump be pardoned today? or soon? or ever? we discuss. ♪
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roger stone is hours away from learning his fate in a federal court. a jury found him guilty on seven counts of lying to congress, obstruction, and witness tampering related to his efforts to contact wikileaks and help the trump campaign in 2016. joining us now to explain how we got here and what to expect today, elie honig, he's a former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. hi. >> hey. >> so what do you think is going to happen today? >> he's going to get sentenced. it's going to be controversial. it's going to be interesting. so first thing's first. who is exactly roger stone? roger stone has been a fixtuhar. he later worked for ronald reagan. and of course he worked in the 2016 campaign for donald trump. they've known each other since the '80s. what does roger stone do? he's never held elected office or been a government official. he's a back room political guy. here are things that have been said publicly about what he does. quote, a dirty trickster. he engages in trafficking in the
black arts and he lives by the mantra admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack. guess who said those things about roger stone? >> roger stone. >> exactly. and you know who his political and personal idle is? >> richard nixon. >> richard nixon and he has a tattoo of richard nixon's face on his back. >> as one does. >> sorry you had to see that so early in the morning. >> what exactly is he convicted of? so roger stone was arrested about a year ago. january 2019. the story broke when we were here on "new day." robert mueller's team charged him with two types of crimes. first of all, making false statements to congress. he went in and lied about his efforts to coordinate between the trump 2016 campaign through this go between person and wikileaks over the russian hack emails from the dnc. mueller charged that stone testified falsely that he had never discussed his conversations with the person he referred to as his go between
with anyone involved in the trump campaign. now, the second category of crimes is witness tampering. this relates to that go between. that's this guy randy kretico. and most egregiously threatened the dog. i mean, i've tried cases. juries don't like witness tampering. but they don't like you to mess with the dog. >> i talked about the dog show and got about 10,000 angry tweets. >> exactly. roger stone went to trial a few months ago but it kind of slid under the radar because this is when the impeachment stuff is happening. but roger stone went to trial in d.c. he was convicted on all counts against him. and that brings us to today which is the sentencing. the prosecutors who tried the case put in their sentencing memo. stone's lawyers had asked for no jail time. now, the original and was
aggressive. they satd things like obstructing such critical investigations thus strikes at the very heart of the american democracy. and they put in a sentencing recommendation we heard of. this is the federal sentencing guidelines table. you have to first figure out what's the person's criminal history. roger stone has a history of dirty tricks, but he's the lowest category. then you have to calculate howh. and they did that and they came out with 87 to 108 months. months which equates to seven to nine years. so up to now, everything is normal. but then things got crazy. donald trump hours later tweeted, quote, this is a horrible and very unfair situation. the real crimes were on the other side as nothing happens to them. can't allow this miskarge of justice. >> and a jury found him guilty. this was a jury of his peers as we use in the united states. >> exactly. ultimately doj changed its position. they asked for much less time.
they said the sentence would be excessive and unwarranted. now they're asking for far less. so we'll see what the judge does today. >> we will see and of course the one thing that could render this all moot is if president trump pardons roger stone. it could happen before the sentencing. >> it could happen one minute afterwards. >> or not at all. we'll have to wait and see. so a staunch trump loyalist with no experience in the intelligence sector has been named america's acting director of national intelligence. we're going to speak to someone who actually held that job to see if this is the right guy for it now. that's next. through the at&t network, edge-to-edge intelligence gives you the power to see every corner of your growing business. from finding out what's selling best... to managing your fleet... to collaborating remotely with your teams. giving you a nice big edge over your competition.
long-time trump loyalist is expected to start today adds the administration's acting director of national intelligence. grinnell is currently the u.s. ambassador to germany, but he has no experience in the realm of intelligence. joining me now, james clapper. he is the former director of national intelligence. in other words, he had the job that rick grinnell will start doing as of today.
how does grenell's experience, how does that line up with what you see as important to holding that job? >> well, john, i spent my entire life -- professional life in intelligence. and i found the position of director of national intelligence very tough. and so i can't imagine the challenge that somebody has in that position learning the abcs of intelligence on the job. i'd also comment that the intellig terrorism prevention act which was enacted in the wake of the 9/11 commission investigated the 9/11 attacks made a point of stipulating that the director of national intelligence should have extensive experience in national security. i think that's the letter of the law, the spirit is that it is
somebody that has had some experience, some depth in intelligence itself. and so i'd be concerned about it. i'd also comment, john, that this turnover in having a series of actings is not good for the community. i really feel for the men and women of the intelligence community because of the lack of continuity and stability that these -- this constant turnover represents. >> the president's making an end run. with all these acting things, he's making an end run around getting senate confirmation. grenell was confirmed for the ambassador job but not anything like the intelligence. rick grenell is a partisan figure. he just is. all you have to do is look at twitter to see how partisan he is and has been over the last few years. is the job of director of national intelligence one where
a partisan would fit kwarly? -- squarely? >> well, not in my view. i think it's a passion that should be occupied by a career professional intelligence. there are those in the trump camp that would argue you need just the app sit. somebody come in and be disruptive and shake up the community and all that. what i do worry about is the basically kind of holy writ of intelligence. and we've seen last year with dan coats and his testimony and that of others and the concern here would be where the assessment's rendered by the intelligence community don't necessarily comport with the world view of the president. and it's going to be very interesting to see how he
handles that. and that is a concern of mine that the views of the intelligence community would be suppressed. >> do you feel safer this morning with rick grenell as acting director of national intelligence? >> i can't say that i am. i have great faith and trust and confidence in the men and women of the intelligence community, that they'll continue to do the right thing. >> i want to ask you about former ambassador to the united nations, former national security adviser john bolton who was at an event last night with susan rice. there was a really interesting back and forth. we don't have audio of this event, but basically bolton was asked on stage about his refusal to testify when asked by the house of representatives. and the fact he hasn't come forward more publicly with what he saw and what he heard from the president directly
said, i can bet you a dollar right here and now my testimony would have made no dif because followed my conscience. what's your reaction? >> well, we'll never know whether that's a safe bet or not. because he didn't testify and in my view, if your perspective is required and needed by the congress, you know, i never knew it was an option not to appear. whether under a subpoena or not. it almost sounds like he's trying to rationalize why he didn't testify during the house proceedings let alone the senate. so it's kind of disappointing. one of the criticisms, one of the allegation assertions made by the president's defense team
when there were no direct witnesses. well, mr. bolton was a direct witness and he heard it directly from the president's mouth and characterized according to dr. fiona hill who did testify under oath, did characterize giuliani mentioned in ukraine as a drug deal. so i think it would have been interesting and useful if not for the outcome of the impeachment but for the american people which is the ultimate courtroom here. >> always a pleasure to have you here. >> thanks, john. there is still no verdict in harvey weinstein's sexual assault trial. but the jury has lhad lots of questions during this deliberation. we discuss next. hey allergy muddlers... achoo! ...do your sneezes turn heads? try zyrtec... ...it starts working hard at hour one... and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. zyrtec muddle no more.
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they've asked a lot of questions about the charges. what does that tell us about what way they're leerning? joining us is jean caceres who has been following the case. noes. they deliberated five hours and they wanted a readback yesterday of miriam hailey. she's one of the accusers, one of the most important accusers because of an alleged assault that happened right here in new york city at weinstein's apartment in 2006. so the jury listened to that readback and miriam had testified that she met weinstein, he courted her, took her out to dinner, took her -- invited her to premieres. and that then he wanted her to go to paris. and she said no. and she said, you know, you have a terrible reputation with women. and he stopped pushing. she felt really bad about that and so when he invited her to the apartment on july 10th, she went. that's when she alleges was a violent assault. the next morning she went to los
angeles on a trip paid for by weinstein. when she gets back on the 25th, 26th, he wants to see her. she goes to his place and that's where she admitted in testimony that she had sex that was not forced with harvey weinstein. the jury also wanted a readback from rosie perez's testimony. she said that after annabellea -- what happened, that annabella told her i think i was raped. but she didn't say who. but it got around and rosie confronted her at the end of the year. this would be '94. and she admitted it. they also now want a couple of things. paul felcher close friend of the
defendants' that testified that ann annabella said i did something crazy with harvey. defense brought that testimony on. and they also then want the powerpoint from barbara ziv, the forensic analyst all about rape mist. they want to see that powerpoint. >> wow. that's a lot. what does that tell you? >> well, this is a jury that understands the importance of this case. and really this is a signature case, i think, for the me too movement and sort of a new way that we're trying to be more respectful of women in these trials. and this is going to be a very important verdict. so they're carefully going through all of the evidence. you know, in the end even though the jury doesn't know this, harvey weinstein will be facing probably up to life in prison. in his case because he's a first -- if convicted. and at his age you could actually die in prison if convicted. so this is a charge that's almost as serious as murder in
the state of new york. and they're carefully evaluating the evidence. >> paul, in this me too moment we've all learned hard lessons. and these women tell the story of violent, sickening attacks from harvey weinstein. but they also tell the story that's more complicated. and that is as we all know that sometimes when your sexual predator is somebody that you're relying on for your career and your job, it gets complicated and you do have to see that person again. but the voluntary sexual interaction with that person is hard to get your head around. and do you think that ultimately that is what the jury is struggling with most? >> oh, they are struggling with that. i have to tell you, when i started out as a young prosecutor in new york city, you could only be raped if you were -- somebody was holding you as gun point. >> like a stranger in a dark alley. that was our imagination then. >> that was rape. a husband couldn't rape his wife.
that wasn't even a crime in the state of new york. and now we're at a point where juries are looking at situations where someone has allegedly been raped, but then voluntarily engages in a sex act later on maybe to help their career. and remember, weinstein controlled the careers of these women. he told them if you're not cooperative with me, you'll never work in the industry again. so that's the equivalent of a gun being held to their head. that's what the prosecutors' argument is in the case. >> and we just don't know if the jury sees it that way. >> well, they're debating it and it's going to set an important precedent for the entire nation, i think. >> jean, paul, thank you. obviously we will bring you any news as soon as that breaks. so it was easily the most contentious debate yet in the democratic race for president. how has the race changed this morning? "new day" continues right now. >> a billionaire who calls women fat broads and horse faced
lesbians. and no, i'm not talking about donald trump. i'm talking about mayor bloomberg. >> none of them accuse me of doing anything other than maybe they didn't like the joke i told. >> she left bloomberg in a puddle on that debate stage. >> you know what, mr. bloomberg? it wasn't you who made all that money. maybe your workers played some role in that as well. >> the best known socialist in the country happens to be a millionaire with three houses. what'd i miss we have not been enough about donald trump. let's just talk about donald trump. welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." an urgent two-hour free for all that sizzled with animosity. >> and it wasn't just our first two hours. >> no, no. that was the lead for "the washington post" this morning describing the democratic debate