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juror on all seven charges that included obstruction, lying to congress and witness tampering. the attorney general bill barr's move to lessen his sentence led to all four prosecutors quitting the case and the attorney general publicly rebuking the president for his tweets. that, though, did not stop the president from piling on and just this morning on twitter suggesting that he could be open to a pardon. let's go to sara murray. this hour we could get the sentence? >> reporter: that's right. things are about to get under way any minute now. we saw roger stone arrive with an entourage at court a little bit earlier and this is the judge's chance to weigh in. judge amy berman jackson gets to decide what she thinks roger stone's punishment should be for the crimes he was convicted of, obstruction, lying to congress and witness tampering. stone's attorneys say he should not get any jail time and prosecutors asked for seven to nine years before the attorney general inserted himself and
overruled their recommendation calling it excessive ev even & asking for the judge to consider a lesser sentence than that. it is not up to bill barr. not up to roger stone's attorneys. it is up to the judge to decide what she wants to hand down today. regardless of what she decides, stone is not expected to be detained because he is trying to get a new trial in this case. and the big x factor in all of this is what president trump is going to do and if he's going to try to intervene and pardon roger stone. he repeatedly said he feels like stone, his long time friend and little adviser, has been treated unfairly. he's accused the judge of being biased. and he has once again taken to twitter to weigh in on this. he tweeted a quote from a fox news host saying what has happened to roger stone should never happen to anyone in our country again. and i just think we should remind our viewers that even though bill barr intervened in this case and said roger stone should get a sentence that is
less than 7 to 9 years, even the attorney general said he felt like roger stone's conviction was done correctly and that stone should serve some prison time. so, you know, we'll see how this plays out today. >> sara murray, thank you very much, outside the courthouse. we know you'll call us when word comes down. let's bring in our experts as we prepare for that. asha rangappa, because i'm an optimist, trying to focus on the positive, if you look at the operation of the justice department, in the last three years under this president, despite the interference, at the end of the day, the president's i'll lies have been prosecuted. paul manafort, michael flynn, roger stone, and enemies of the president that he attempted to get the justice department to go after, andrew mccabe, hillary clinton reopening the email investigation, james comey, they were not. they were not charged. a sign that the justice
department proceeding with cases as best it can without listening to that interference. i wonder if you see stone sentenced today and the president pipe in immediately with a pardon, does that begin to unright that balance inbut i seen in these cases that you just mentioned is really the intersection of the department of justice with the actual justice system working properly. i mean, remember most of those convictions came from a special counsel investigation which was largely insulated from political influence. and in terms of not prosecuting mccabe, that was because the allegations against him did not support a charge. they couldn't get a grand jury to indict him. so there are checks that have been in place. i think, though, that the pardoning of these people, especially if it extends to flynn and manafort, will
undermine a sense of equal justice before the law and that, you know, you have to be friends with the president to, you know, get special treatment. >> danya, what are you looking for in terms of when the sentence comes down, the years given, the comments we may or may not hear from the judge and the reaction from the president. >> that's really is. from my perch, you look at the legal ramifications and what the sentence is, and obviously it is the reaction from the president. and from whatever that reaction is, whatever the answer is from the attorney general if there is one. because that really is where the political story is here, what happened last week was remarkable. what continues to happen now is remarkable. i don't think anybody will be surprised if the president pardons him. i think it probably would be surprising if he did it right
away for the election at all? >> yeah. look at what the president did earlier this week. it was different, the people whose sentences he commuted and complete pardons he gave weren't his political allies and friends. it is different. but he doesn't really seem to care and frankly it plays into the larger argument that he's making on the campaign trail, which is i came here to disrupt, i'm disrupting, look at what is happening, the institutions that you all can't stand that i came near shake up are still trying to work against us with the conviction of roger stone. i'm not saying it's right. it is an argument that he's very likely to make. >> jennifer, let's talk about the crimes that roger stone is accused of and is the seven to
nine year range, which is the sentencing range recommended by the prosecutors, is that based on your experience, does it fit the crimes? >> prosecutors almost always recommend the sentencing guidelines sentence. so the prosecutor may say sure, that's the guideline sentence, appropriate sentence. i do think it is a high sentence. judge berman jackson will go below it when she sentences him. my guess is three years, actually. they're serious crimes without question. this is not the sort of defendant you usually see get a big break, given his witness tampering and threats to the judge and so on. the same time at his age i won't be surprised to see her go lower. but the sentencing guideline are there for a reason, to ensure people are treated fairly across the country and across different circumstances. so there are good reasons to take that seriously. >> we're hearing from inside the courtroom, the proceedings have started, about 100 people in there, drawing unusual interest for a sentencing like this. >> sure. shimon prokupecz is with us. can you talk about the request for stone's team for a new
trial, not stone, the request from the president for a new trial. i know the judge will consider that after the sentence is handed down. can you explain to people how that consideration will work and when we might have an answer on that? >> right. that has been filed under seal. so we don't know too much about why the judge -- why they put this in, why stone's attorneys decided to ask for this. we do believe it has to do with one of the jurors there saying she was biased and therefore they should be granted a new trial. the point that i think is important in all of this today, having covered this trial from beginning to end, one of the things that prosecutors had to deal with during this trial is explaining to jurors why this case mattered. and why it was important for them to bring this case and charge roger stone. and that's really when a lot of this is about. the fact is that he lied to congress. the fact is that he tried to obstruct a very important investigation that had to deal with russian interference and he lied. he lied to protect the
president. and really that's what this trial was all about. and the fact that roger stone and his attorneys came in, and essentially argued in some ways to the jurors, so what, so what that roger stone did this. and prosecutors who are now no longer part of this case and have been processes and a congress and how important it is that when they are investigating certain situations, and had they are conducting a serious investigation, people are expected to tell the truth. and the other point i want to make here, having seen this judge in action, i don't think she'll get too political. but she has an important opportunity here and that is to explain to people why the judicial system is important, why this process is important. and i think we're going to see some of that from her. it is an important moment because the judicial system is under attack by many. >> so let's test this argument that somehow this is a biased process. because our colleague chris cuomo had another juror on the air last night. here's what he said about the spokesperson who is now being
attacked by the president or the foreperson of the jury now being attacked by the president and his allies. have a listen. i want to get your reaction. >> tameka hart was perhaps the strongest advocate in the room for a rigorous process. for the rights of the defendant. and for making sure that we took it seriously and looked at each charge. without her in the room, we would have returned the same verdict and we would have returned it more quickly and without looking as deeply into the evidence. i'm convinced of that. >> how insidious is it when you have a president attacking jurors, judges, members of the justice department, et cetera, as somehow biased in cases we should note where the president has a personal interest? >> well, you know, it is incredibly damaging. i think what is really noteworthy about the president's attacks and the people that he has already pardoned is that he
has a special contempt for what are known as process crimes. these are things like lying, obstru things that really undermine the way that a cas outcome. that is what is at stake here. this -- there is a lot of pooh-poohing of the processing crimes but our rule of law is built on process. we have the fifth amendment which ensures due process. these are some of the most important things that we need to enforce and especially here where you also have lying to congress, which undermines the quo equal branch of government, also a pattern we have seen from the trump administration of stone walling, so i think it all fits within, you know, an overall pattern and view of the justice system and of congress. >> and, listen, courts and congress can't do their job if people lie. they can't. the process depends on telling the truth. >> it does. so we're waiting for the
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he isn't leading in the polls, but michael bloomberg got front-runner treatment at the las vegas democratic debate last night. >> he certainly did. taking the debate stage for the first time and his 2020 rivals wasted no time attacking him. here is a little bit if you missed it. >> we are giving a voice to people who are saying we are sick and tired of billionaires like mr. bloomberg seeing huge expansions of their wealth while half a million people sleep out on the street tonight. >> i actually welcomed mayor bloomberg to the stage. i thought he shouldn't be hiding behind his tv ads. >> i would like it talk about who we're running against, a billionaire who calls women fat broads, and horse-faced lesbians. and, no, i'm not talking about donald trump, i'm talking about mayor bloomberg. we are not going to beat donald trump with a man who has who
knows how many nondisclosure agreements and the drip, drip, drip of stories of women saying they have been harassed and discriminated against. >> it is easy, all the mayor has to do is say you are released from the nondisclosure agreement. period. >> which he did not. joining us to discuss, karen finney, senior adviser and adviser for hillary clinton's campaign, really big picture, stepping back from this, not about a single candidate, did the democrats help themselves last night? >> well, you know, they're in a intraparty fight. didn't look pretty. i'm sure donald trump was enjoying watching that fight. but they're at the point where two candidates were pulling away from everyone else, bernie sanders and potentially mike bloomberg. and so i think there was a sense of do or die for a number of the
candidates on that stage. and, you anknow most special elizabeth warren who had a very commanding performance, who probably was the story of the night in terms of how she went after just about everyone on that stage. but, is it good? you know, i don't -- i think if you're bernie sanders you're happy with what went down last night because it still basically, bernie in a front-runner situation, and everyone else sort of jostling to see who is going to be his principle opponent. >> great line in the bulwark this morning saying last night's debate was a murder/suicide worthy of an agatha christie novel, the one where everyone ends up dead. thinking back to 2016 and some pretty brutal moments on the republican debate stage, chris
christie tearing marco rubio apart, is this to be expected in a primary -- particularly at this stage, so close to super tuesday? >> absolutely. the intensity is only increasing the farther we get into this process. everybody knew on that stage, they -- for different reasons, they needed to have a good performance last night, both to help them in the nevada caucus and use the momentum from there going into south carolina. and i don't think -- it was messy no question you could feel the tension. i could feel it through the television screen, it made me anxious at some point but that's what they're supposed to do. part of the reason it felt a little bit different is because the chemistry shifts when you a brand-new person coming in. most of the attacks we heard
from the other candidates. we heard them make those attack on the last eight or so debates and the campaign trail, and so the new dynamic and bloomberg was slow off the mark there and wasn't as well prepared for a number of key questions that he should have been better prepared for. i think that was part of what was fueling that dynamic. people wanted to show they could land some punches. i don't know if he was unprepared to answer them, but he just didn't answer them, ryan. i wonder if you think that's because he was coached to not blow up. was he so focused on being calm that i didn' debates. you see the wide shots and everyone raising their hand to jump in, he wasn't doing that, i saw one time he did that, i thought it was notable.
for a lot of the debate he was hanging back. his answers to a lot of the criticisms were short and clipped. he allows himself to his great detriment it get drawn into a prosecutorial back and forth with elizabeth warren over the ndas. i think that was widely considered the worst moments for him. i think a lot of, you know deer debate coaches would have said don't allow her to control the situation in the way she did. he was not commanding. he was not there with an affirmative message, making the case, it was very defensive rather than offensive. >> and also, it was somewhat bloodless and by that i mean technocratic most of his answers. i thought it was interesting when he was talking about climate change, he seemed more animated and more emotion.
it would have done him well to have shown a little bit more emotion when he was talking about stop and frisk and as well to be less sort of talking point when i agree with you he should not have gotten himself this that back and forth with warren. it is a very important point to democratic primary voters, these nondisclosures that women are being held to. he could have shown more compassion. that felt like part of what was missing in his performance. >> fair enough. >> it was like a party that has been going on late into the night and someone knows up and no one wants that person there and they're trying to show him the door. elizabeth warren sort of played the bouncer role in this scenario. and all these candidates have spent a long time apologizing for positions they took that are no longer, you know, okay in the democratic party and he's just sort of getting to that point, like, okay, on civil rights, on,
you know, all of these issues, you know, he's really playing catch-up. >> we'll talk more about that in his answer. he had one line, the whole night, on criminal justice reform, that's it. we'll talk about that a little later. thanks to both of you. we appreciate it. join us tonight for two more democratic town halls ahead of the nevada caucuses. former vice president joe biden, senator elizabeth warren live from las vegas tonight 8:00 eastern only on cnn. and, a quick note, we did invite michael bloomberg pour part of our town hall series an he declined that offer. sentencing under way for long time trump ally roger stone. we're getting words from inside the courtroom. 100 people in there watching closely. we'll bring all that to you when we come back.
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all right, we're getting some new information inside the courtroom here as amy berman jackson prepares to sentence president trump's ally roger stone. sara murray back with us outside the courthouse. what have you learned so far? >> reporter: well, the judge has kicked off today's proceeding, encouraged everyone to maintain decorum and acknowledged a number of the letters she received before sentencing, which is customary before. she acknowledged letters from friends and family of roger stone who asked the judge for leniency. she also acknowledged other
letters she received, the judge received a number of letters posted of people who asked for a harder sentence. jackson said i have read and appreciate all of the letters. she also noted for those of you who woke up last week and decided sentencing guidelines are harsh, she said, you know, courts and defense lawyers have been acknowledging this for some time. we have seen the president out there talking about how the idea that roger stone could go to jail for seven to nine years or at all would be too harsh. we have seen fox news commentators making the same point. the judge seems to be offering a wake-up call to all of them. >> there's that. sa sara, thank you very much. joining us now to discuss this and more, cnn senior political commentator, former governor of ohio, john kasich.
thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> so roger stone, he's facing a judge this morning, he's been convicted of crimes, serious cripes including lying to congress. how important a moment is this for the rule of not law, not just the sentencing, which the president criticized, but also thebility a pardon here? >> jim, look, you know, this all gets down -- everyone is hyperventilating about the pardons, he wants to bring his friends back in. there is things he does i don't agree with, tweeting out about what should happen through the justice department. not something i would have done. americans will be offered a choice. if you don't like what he's doing, you got to vote for somebody else. that brings me back to the debate last night. i see so many commentators declaring michael bloomberg
dead. this is a guy that steps in the middle of the debate, in the middle of a mile race, they have been running around the track for three laps and he gets in there and yeah, wasn't his greatest performance, he will get better, he'll spend a lot of money. if you pick bernie sanders or elizabeth warren, they're going to scare a blue collar democrats, they're going to scare conservative independents. so the question is can the democrats nominate somebody who people will feel comfortable with who are disaffected, conservative independents and conservative and more moderate democrats. >> i want to get to the politics. on the issue of the law, a lot of folks will make the point, well, people have a choice in november. but the truth is that the rule of law exists independent of the election of the president. regardless of who is president, there is an expectation that they let the rule of law stand. are you not concerned having been a serving member of congress, having been the governor of a state, that you
have a president here who is pushing the bounds of what is acceptable here, pushing the rule of law for personal interest. >> look, first of all, that's a big statement. let's get back to what i did. i appointed an inspector general who reviewed my own administration i never ever thought about interfering with what the inspector general had to say or that to do. even if it affected people who i had to punish or rebuke because of what they found. i appointed supreme court members. i never called the supreme court members that tell them how i thought they ought to rule or the attorney general. i don't agree with what the president is doing on this. but, okay, we can sit here and we can gripe about it and complain about it and have outrage about it. but at the end. he's president. okay. and he's using a lot of his authority and at the end, the american people are going to decide is that appropriate, is it inappropriate? and is there going to be somebody that can make the case against what he's doing?
and if you can't make the case, guess what, he's going to be there for four more years. >> i'm just asking the question. let's talk about 2020 for a moment here. you're in the state of ohio, which used to be a swing state, i suppose you could say now is more reliably red. but you speak to a lot of voters there. what kind of candidate can win swing districts in 2020? what kind of democratic candidate? >> well, we have seen what happened in 2018. it is the candidates more moderate, more center left, they talk about healthcare without taking away healthcare from how many, 160 million people those who don't -- who are out there saying we're going to punish the rich. i grew up in the democrat community, my father was a democrat all his life. if you start telling him i'll take your healthcare away and give you a government program, are you kidding me? my father would never vote for
you. there is this notion in the democratic party that if you've been successful and you're wealthy, you did something wrong. when i grew up, my father used it tell me, john, we don't hate the rich, we want to become the rich. and the notion that somebody who is poor can grow up to be successful is an american ideal. if you're going to be far left, you're not beating donald trump. if you're somebody that can have responsible and reasonable programs and say the president has gone too far, hollowing out the justice department, interfering with the -- interfering with the state department, if you can make that case and how the kitchen table issues will be better fort that to win. all these people just blasting bloomberg who will spend $100 million today, they are -- i think they're just -- they're wrong. it is premature to declare his -- the end of his campaign. >> the message you're talking
about there apeefr ppears to be resonating with democratic voters. always a pleasure. >> that was all stuck in my crawl. thank you. >> always happy to let you get it out of your crawl. >> this is why we like having him. we appreciate the passion and the candor. the number of lives claimed by the coronavirus keeps climbing. among the victims, two passengers from that quarantined cruise ship off the coast of japan. what we know about them next. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it - with hassle-free claims, he got paid before
we're hearing more from the judge in the roger stone case as she hands down his sentence. let's go back to shimon proe prokupecz with more. what did she say? >> it is remarkable what is going on inside the courtroom. after all the drama that we have seen in the last week, between the doj intervening in this case, what essentially we have so far, it is early, this is early in the sentencing, is that the current prosecutors, the prosecutors who have now taken over this case after the other prosecutors withdrew are essentially agreeing, they are agreeing with the judge that there should be an enhancement in the meaning that roger stone should get more prison time because of his threats to randy credico, someone who has known roger stone, testified in the trial, that roger stone had threatened him. credico has said he is not -- he didn't take the threats seriously. nonetheless, prosecutors have taken it seriously.
a jury convicted roger stone of this. and now the current prosecutor is saying that they agree. they believe roger stone should get more prison time, enhancement because of that threat. and the other thing i want to point out is that the judge here has basically taken the swipe at the president here in arguing that people didn't just wake up last night, and realize that the sentencing guidelines are sort of a concern. so she made that point as well, very early, still a lot to go here. >> shimon, to be clear, this gets to the core of the case, does it not? these threats are the basis or much of the basis for the witness tampering here and judge jackson read into the record a few of stone's texts. tell us in brief form the nature of the threats we're talking about here. >> one exchange where they -- there was cursing, he did not want randy credico cooperating
in the house investigation, in congress. and therefore he used different colorful language to sort of show that if credico cooperated, threatening him, threatening his dog that was the big thing also that came up during this trial, that he was going to take away his dog, this is a dog that obviously credico is very close to, it is a therapy dog, and that is the -- that's what makes this so much different. this isn't just about roger stone lying to congress. there is this whole other conviction here of the threats. that is what makes it so much different. >> he did not want credico to cooperate with the house investigation and that's part of the substance. >> we should get that sentence at any minute. thank you very much. we'll bring it to people when we have it. turning the page to the novel coronavirus, it claimed more than 2100 lives around the world including now two passengers from that quarantined cruise ship in japan. >> that's right. sad news, will ripley joins is now from yokohama, japan, where
the cruise ship was. what are we learning about the circumstances of these passengers' deaths? >> sad news exactly, jim. not surprising. these are both japanese over the age of 80. they fall into a high risk category of people over 60 with pre-existing conditions who have a higher risk of having a serious case of this illness. japanese government is allowing hundreds of people to walk off the ship with a clean bill of health if they test negative, despite warnings from an infections should disease expert saying that situation on board is scary in his words. out of control, breeding ground, potentially incubator and people who are allowed off the ship can go anywhere, get in a taxi, get on the bus, on the subway, back to their homes and schools and businesses. we know of the new cases that japan is reporting today, ones with a taxi driver. two other cases, healthcare workers on the ship. the japanese government defending procedures saying they're doing everything possible to keep people healthy. that's not good enough for the united states government saying that u.s. citizens and there are more than 100 of them here in japan who tested positive have to go extensive screening.
talking about a throat and nasal swab, two tests, two rounds of tests, 24 hours a part. fever has to go down and all symptoms have to subside and 14 day quarantine after they get off the ship if they're still on it before they go back to the united states. >> will ripley in japan, thank you very much. on the right-hand side of our screen, a live picture outside the courthouse, we're getting news inside, the judge, she's getting ready to sentence roger stone saying that she agrees that the sentencing recommendations should be higher because of the threats that roger stone made. that is at the core of the case of the we'll bring you the developments please stay with us. in america we all count. no matter where we call home, how we worship, or who we love. and the 2020 census is how that great promise is kept. because this is the count that informs where hundreds of billions in funding will go each year for things like education, healthcare, and programs that touch us all.
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welcome back. breaking news, new details from inside the courtroom where trump ally roger stone awaiting his sentence, cnn's shimon prokupecz following it. what are we learning from the judge and the prosecutor inside? >> as we said, i think what is going on here is pretty remarkable. we're seeing the justice department after the entire week of drama with them intervening in this case essentially arguing that nothing should change for roger stone. we now have seen two cases. i'm reading notes from a reporter inside, who says that twice now the justice department has stuck with the same approach the prosecutors took last week in their initial sentencing memorandum, arguing that there should be a harsher sentence for roger stone. and there are two things here, they argue, first, the fact that he tried to obstruct and he did in some ways obstruct this
investigation. and the other thing is as we said before, is the intimidation and threats against randy credico. so we're not seeing -- this is very important, we're not seeing the department of justice take a different position in terms of how harsh the sentencing should be against roger stone. it makes you wonder what is going on here. the judge has to figure out the math and that's ongoing now. certainly very remarkable what is going on inside court here currently. >> shimon, thank you for that. our experts back with us. jennifer rogers, what should we make of this? >> what is happening is the judge is calculating the sentencing guidelines. the first thing the judge does. what they're arguing about is where the guideline range is set. after that, the judge will decide where to sentence him. what the justice department is doing now, they're not saying necessarily what the sentence should be, they're saying this is the guidelines range that should apply. they are backing off a little bit the second memo, they had
suggested that maybe the enhancements shouldn't apply. they're now admitting they should apply. that doesn't mean they're not going to advocate for a below guidelines sentence for roger stone this is all part of the regular procedure, the judge will set the sentence later. >> hard to read something apart from that. the president watching the proceedings. what are his options following the sentencing? >> he's not just watching and waiting, he's watching and tweeting. that surprises no one. but, yeah, he's tweeting right now all about not necessarily this in particular, but just broadly about how unfair he thinks the system is, how unfair it is that other people he alleges went before congress and lied and they're not having to deal with what roger stone is dealing with right now before the judge. to me it sounds like donald trump continuing to pave the way for a pardon. which, again, another thing that would surprise no one. just the big question is not if he does it but when. >> can you remind us what we know about the history that
judge jackson has in terms of sentencing, especially paul manafort and how that may inform a sentence that she hands down today? >> so most judges now sentence below the sentencing guidelines range and she's like that. she sentenced paul manafort significantly below his guidelines range, i think around 19 years, and he got 7 1/2 years. she does go below as most judges do. >> asha, as uyou're watching this, listening to the judge so far, what is your read of what is going on inside of the courtroom? >> my read is that i think the department of justice is walking back from its second, you know, recommendation and i think that's noteworthry. i think that is happening here is that barr who is basically facing sort of a revolt from within his justice department, definitely from outside with 2,000 doj alumny who signed a
letter calling for his resignation, i think the continued tweets and defiance of barr's exortation not to comment on this, and this kind of becomes a farce in the end. i think it is note worthry and i think that barr slook out for himself a little bit right now. >> danya, could the president have made it -- this situation worse for his friend and ally here by the continued tweets after the clear warning from bill barr? >> the attorney general, no. well, yes, he could probably if he could come up something to make it worse, but it is bad, which is your point. it is bad. i was talking to somebody this morning who knows them both who is saying, there has been some speculation in washington this is manufactured.
a wink and a nod. i'll say in and ythis and you d. i've spoken to someone who said this is not true. the attorney general is upset, he's angry, he didn't know the president before this. doesn't really have experience that in the words of one who knows the president well, it is a one way street with the president, always. unless you know that, you don't know what you're going to get into. particularly someone like barr, who put everything on the line when the mueller investigation came out and he set the narrative the way he did. >> everyone has their limits. many people have their limits, even those who perceived the staunchest of loyalists. >> our thanks to everyone for the coverage. it is significant. it continues. our coverage of the sentencing of roger stone. we'll take a quick break and be back with more. triple oat comx balances skin's microbiome. so skin looks like this and you feel like this.
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this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. we're starting this hour with breaking news and it sounds like it might be a wild ride. a federal judge will be sentencing long time trump associate roger stone any minute now. the hearing is under way as we speak in d.c. you can see a shot there from outside the courthouse. at the same time, the possibility that president trump could pardon