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the last 24 hours have been tumultuous. president hosni mubarak has fired his cabinet and appointed both a new vice president, the first he's ever had in three decades in power, and a new prime minister, both men presumably going to chart the course ahead for a regime that still is trying to stay in place. while that's been going on, there have been more protests and there has been some evidence of chaos in some reaches of the egyptian capital. we'll have more on all of that coming up. >> and you also see in these images along with the thousands of people who have taken to the streets, they've been described mostly as good representation of the youth movement, but also some members of the middle class, and some who are more senior citizens who have been there. you're also seeing the evidence of the army, the installation that has taken to the streets
there. you've heard the reports from ben wedeman that the military there as a seen to restore order. >> joining us now, a troublesome turn, a troubling turn, i should say, that events seem to have taken. what have you seen? >> reporter: well, jonathan, it appears as toe there's really widespread lawlessness in large parts of the criminal. we're here in downtown where we have the military presence pretty much on every corner because of course we have these key strategic buildings, government buildings that are so important to the country. however, if you get outside of downtown and just across that bridge back there, basically, what happens is that there's absolutely no authority in place whatsoever. so we rode down the streets. there's guys with baseball bats, with pipes from vacuum cleaners, with rifles, with pistols, with samurai swords standing outside their house, trying to defend their property against what they
say are gangs trying to loot. they showed us some people who went by with furniture and other things on a flatbed truck. they say that's probably some of those people. they showed guys coming by on motorcycles, carrying samurai swords on the back of motorcycles, and they say these are the kind of people they're watching out for. and every time one of these vehicles with people like that try to stop in the place that we were, all of these guys came charging out with their clubs and their guns and immediately got these people to go on, because they simply didn't want them to be there. the folks we saw were extremely concerned for their safety, for their property, and also for the safety of their families. and the thing about this is, jonathan, tease are not slum neighborhoods or something, these are middle class neighborhoods of cairo where people are absolutely afraid and where they say that there's an absence of any sort of law enforcement authority to keep any sort of order in this area, so they're taking patters into
their own hands. >> this is extraordinary because we've seen tens of thousands of people in the streets celebrating the upheaval egypt is undergoing right now, but cairo is a city of 20 million. so when you discount the people who are out there and pushing hard for change, you still get a lot of people who are home, worrying about what change is going to bring. >> reporter: yes. it's a very different situation when you get outside of downtown cairo. you mentioned it, cairo is a city of about 20 million, so it has almost the population of australia. there's a lot of people in a widespread area in this capital city. and it is one that really has some very different sort of neighborhoods. so once you get out of the downtown area, it all is a very, very different picture at this point in time of the other things that we saw popping up right after we came out of the city center was illegal vehicle check points. guys with clubs, guys with guns standing in the middle of the street trying to stop cars and
vans possibly to steal either the vehicles or steal the belongings inside the vehicles. we blasted through those before we finally made it back here. so this is really a time for the people in cairo where a lot of people are afraid to move around, and as i said, a lot of people are very, very concerned about what the next couple of days are going to bring, and where any sort of law enforcement authority is going to come, is going to come from. because clearly there is no such thing as the police on the street in many of these neighborhoods. and one person that i talked to told me he believes that the police are simply scared of the people after of course all the rioting, the tear gas and rubber bullets we saw here at these demonstrations and finally the police, after the army moved in, they say the police have simply vanished from the streets. >> frederik pleitgen live in cairo, really a whole different side of the story. >> equally volatile, alexandria,
the northern egyptian city where our nic robertson is now. protests began rather peacefully, nic. at what point did they take a turn? >> reporter: well, they -- the numbers grew, in late after, 5:00 or 6:00 the numbers had grown quite significantly. but there's been a change really in the last few hours now that most of the people now seem to be gone from the streets. the curfew that's been put in place does seem to be being observed a lot more than yesterday. we've seen a few army vehicles patrolling the streets. i just saw an egyptian army humvee go down the main street behind us. people, though, are very concerned about their security and safety. but perhaps one of the most tellg places to be today -- >> all right. we lost our audio with nic robertson there. understandably. it is volatile in alexandria, it
is volatile communications, in cairo, really across the entire country. that is what's made an additional -- or what's created an additional challenge to our reporting there. you're looking at some of the images, however, some of the new images that we continue to get out, and you can see the number of people, the size of -- and the scale of the protests that are flooding the streets, whether it be in cairo or there in alexandria. president hosni mubarak is no doubt watching and planning, but there are a lot of ordinary people in the nation of 80 million people who don't have the resources he does, and as we're hearing, those people are now increasingly worried about how all of this upheaval is going to affect them. we spoke earlier to a woman who was on the line with us from cairo who said basically people did what shopping they could before this all began, but because of the curfew, because of the protests, because of all of the upheaval, they're just afraid to go out. this has been going on for nearly a week now, and we don't know how. >> reporter: when it's goior wh
to end. >> 31 people killed in alexandria, that's quite significant. earlier we saw reports of somewhere upwards of 38 people killed in cairo. and now alexandria also becoming equally volatile. it's a very dangerous situation that of course u.s. interests continue to watch as well. >> those are not the only two cities we're watching. in fact, we're looking at the entire region. because egypt's importance has a lot to do with its location. on the north edge is israel, the border there of course, a war zone, a trouble spot in the past, it also provides a route for groups like hamas for weapons into the palestinian territories. the suez canal, a major shipping route linking europe and asia, that includes oil. 10% of all goods shipped by water worldwide go through the suez canal. then to the east, saudi arabia and iran, that offer their own set of challenges. >> so we, too, as we look at
saudi arabia and the significance and where it is on the map there, we also heard from saudi arabia's king abdullah for the first time today, is he is condemning the unrest in egypt, king abdullah reached out to hosni mubarak by phone and told him this, quote, no arab and muslim human being can bear that some infiltrators in the name of freedom of expression have infill rated into the brotherly people of egypt to destabilize its security and its stability. so clearly almost a mirror message from what we heard from mubarak yesterday as well. so this outcry over the egyptian crisis is spreading fast. we'll show you how people here in the u.s. are trying to reach out to people they know and love there in egypt. >> our coverage continues right after this. [ boy ] with box tops for education,
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collection of some of the most remarkable artifacts from egypt's past. and egyptians know that. and so ordinary egyptians banded together to protect the museum. the military tried its best to protect the building but the indications we have, and i can't tell you why at this moment, indications are there has been some damage to that remarkable place. once again, it's a place, if you've been to cairo, you'll have visited it. if you've never been to cairo, you will go there. because all of the riches of egypt's centuries of history are all centered in that one place. >> which is very perplexing why anyone or any group would want to damage that kind of historical significance to egypt except as it speak to the pharao pharaohs, the heritage of who leads the country and that family tie. >> it speaks to pharaohs, it also speaks to the finances of the looters. if indeed we've been hearing there's an enormous amount of
looting going on simply for criminal purposes, that would be one place with valuables. the things there could be sold on the black market for an enormous amount of money. it's not clear why we're seeing what we're seeing, but this part of the world's heritage, hopefully the damage isn't too severe. >> of course we keep a eye on all the latest images coming in from the crisis that continues to unfold. egyptian american protesters are also converging outside the united nations, and many americans who have no direct ties with egypt are there as well. susan candiotti is there in new york, at the united nations. give me an idea of what the turnout is looking like. >> reporter: hi, fred. now the crowd has grown to more than 300 people, according to police estimates. the rally is well under way. they are calling for president mubarak of egypt to go. among the people who have gathered here today is a young filmmaker, someone who is an
egyptian-american who plans on shooting this as he puts it for history. we spent some time with him yesterday, he's in the crowd there now. you can see him taking pictures of what's happening at this rally. his name is sharif samak and here is his story. more than ever, he's glued to tv and surfing the internet, watching every development. the young filmmaker got his mother in cairo on the phone. she's been warned to stay off the streets. >> reporter: please tell me, what is it like to be there now? >> i'm proud of the people, of the protesters. on the other hand, it's a bit scary, because we don't know what will happen next. >> reporter: after 30 years of president mubarak in power, after elections many egyptians argue were not fair or free, he insists there's only one acceptable outcome. >> the united states can urge
mubarak to step down and leave the country, go to switzerland, go to south africa, go to the moon, we do not want president mubarak. >> inside egypt, social networking helped spread the word of the revolt, despite government efforts to quash it. >> they are desperate, they are afraid, they are worried, and they should be. and you know, people are still able to find ways to communicate. >> reporter: do you have any fears this could end badly? >> of course everyone has a fear it could end badly. if it would end badly it would not -- i wouldn't lay the blame on the protesters but rather on the security forces who have started with the violence. >> reporter: rallies staged in the u.s. are meant to send a message. >> they stand in solidarity with them, let them know they are not alone. >> reporter: and the question is, will that message be heard. they're convinced of it, many of
them are speaking with their relatives back in egypt to keep an eye on them. we're here at the rally now, expected to go on for another couple of hours as they continue to chant in support of what is happening throughout their native egypt. back to you, fred and jonathan. >> susan candiotti, thanks so much, outside of new york. just one of the many protests in solidarity of egypt that are taking place across the country. >> in fact, let's go to washington now where a call to protest was put out on facebook. facebook's been very busy in egypt. how is it working in washington, sandra? >> reporter: well, it's actually gathering a lot of people here, jonathan, and fredricka. you can see the size of this crowd in front of the egyptian embassy growing in number and in energy. they have been chanting slogans, carrying signs, passing out literature all with one message, and that is calling for the resignation of egyptian president hosni mubarak. and this is a whole movement as you mentioned that has been facilitated by facebook.
one of many protests of people coming together here to support the outcry going on in egypt. chanting, and carrying signs. support for the uprising reached the doorstep of the white house friday, just one protest here in the nation's capital in solidarity with thousands raising their voice in egypt to oust president hosni mubarak. virginia store owner mohammed hatab says his homeland is on the brink of something big. >> what we've seen today is a revolution which only happens every century, every 50 years. >> reporter: protest organizer sam abuisa is walking door to door in the community to gather support. he says his brothers were arrested in the mass protests in egypt. but despite being thousands of miles away, he shares the same message. >> we need freedom, we need freedom of internet, freedom of communications, freedom of expressing our opinion, freedom
of life, freedom of choice, we have to choose. we have to be free to choose. >> reporter: dina dar is also helping to organize protests. she watched mubarak's speech on her laptop and had this. >> insulting the intelligence of the egyptian people and the world, frankly, because he's had a chance for 30 years and it's full of corruption and poverty and torture, police brutality, rigging of elections, it's too late. >> reporter: but she says there's also a strong message protesters here are sending to the white house. >> that supporting dictators is at the end does not work. because the world of people will come through. >> reporter: and many people here are saying that president obama and the white house should take a stronger stance against president mubarak, but so far
the president has said that he supports the rights and freedoms of egyptian people and he supports mubarak wanting him to make good on the promise of reform. but i can tell you that the atmosphere here, the spirit is a real sense of optimism, of happiness, that people here really do think change is on the way. back to you guys. >> sandra endo, thanks very much. so the roots of this uprising, the real inspiration for it, we'll get to the bottom of that. and where these protests might potentially make an impact and would it have a ripple effect. might there be another country waiting in the wings to follow suit? >> that's next. stay with us. ♪ it still kills bad breath germs for a whole-mouth clean. and it's never felt so good. new less intense listerine® zero™. oh, bayer aspirin? i'm not having a heart attack. it's my back. it works great for pain. [ male announcer ] nothing's proven to relieve pain better than extra strength bayer aspirin.
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9% copic christian. the median age is 24 which means most egyptians weren't even born when hosni mubarak became president in 1981. even though egypt is an ancient civilization, it was under foreign control for much of its history and it didn't become an independent republic until 1953. so according to u.n. figures, egypt's per capita income is just $1800 a year. egypt's official 2010 unemployment rate was 9.7%, but analysts think the true unemployment rate is substantially higher, and many believe that, that kind of poverty, that kind of disparity, is at the root of this uprising that we're seeing. for five days now, our ivan watson is among our cnn correspondents that has fanned out across egypt. ivan, you join us from alexandria, is that where you still are?
>> reporter: i'm in cairo right now. >> okay, you're in cairo. what's taking place there? >> reporter: right. one of the striking things i was just thinking about are these scenes playing over in my mind of egyptians showing victory over a symbol of something that they clearly associate with oppression, and that being the police force. i remember as i was driving in today, two women in bright head scarves standing and posing for photos in front of the burned out hulk of an egyptian police troop carrier that had been torched the previous day. people taking photos in front of burned out egyptian police stations and no presence whatsoever in the streets today of that much-hated egyptian police force. but there were scenes of celebration but also scenes of grief. we should be showing you some pictures right now of people carrying a body through the streets wrapped in an egyptian flag. they said he had just been shot
and killed while trying to approach the interior ministry which runs the police force. take a listen to what one of his grieving friends told us moments after we saw that body being carried through the streets today. >> and, ivan, can you give me an idea what the sentiment is of the people on the streets when they see these military trucks and vehicles on the street, are they indeed seeing that and quelling, quieting down the protest? is there a direct response or correlation that comes with the presence of the army? >> reporter: well, i think that the demonstrators have embraced the military as their own, as being a part of the people. and while at the same time denouncing the government of president hosni mubarak and the security services that he employed to help keep this
society in check. now, how do they make that distinction between people wearing a beige uniform and wearing a blue uniform? well, according to what one man told me, he said, you know, the army are the egyptian people. one person out of every egyptian family has a soldier in the army. they are us. the police force, they clearly didn't identify with as well. i have to point out, it's after curfew here and i can hear people chanting, smaller crowds than we saw throughout the day, but they're still chanting if the square behind me, tahrir square, that translates as liberation square. >> and before i let you go, what happens if you defy the curfew, if you do continue to stay out at night when the curfew says everyone should be off the streets? >> reporter: the thing is is that the demonstrators were climbing on top of the army tanks and dancing on them as some of the tanks were moving through in the streets behind me.
there must have been 40, 50 people, i'm not kidding, on top of these tanks at a single time with the soldiers and not going home for an announced curfew. but there's another side to this, that is of deep concern. and that is the potential breakdown of law and order in this mega city, and we have seen signs of looting, of ordinary businesses in addition to police stations. i've had egyptians come up to me and say i'm really scared right now, because anybody could come in and rob my house, and there's nobody i can reach out to for help to maintain law and order here. that's going to be a very serious concern if this system, if the lack of system continues in the days ahead. >> and that potentially is indeed the vacuum that so many are fearful of in egypt and outside of. ivan watson, thanks so much in cairo. >> it is scary stuff. let's talk about average income. high unemployment.
senior fellow at the u.s. institute of peace, andrew pierre joins us now. andrew, things are bad for egyptians. how much is that fueling it, or was it tunisia that set this all off? >> well, tunisia clearly sparked this. but it's a combustible situation in many countries in the middle east, and as far as the egyptians are concerned, i think they were shamed by the success in tunisia to undertake something similar and it was, you know, coming, in any case. but i think at this point, the two countries which are most interesting to watch in the next phase, let's say, are yemen and this may surprise you, and iran. >> yemen and iran. walk us through that. >> well, in yemen you have -- first of all, you had demonstrations not that long ago of 10,000 people.
you have a very poor country far poorer than egypt, you have a very divided country between the north and south. you have a growing al qaeda presence. you have a vital american interest which is to avoid al qaeda developing further in yemen and becoming the base after afghanistan, after we leave afghanistan, and it's a very combustible situation. a kind of tinderbox, and i'd keep my eye on yemen. iran, this may surprise you that i chose iran as a country to discuss today, but and it's been very quiet, we haven't had much reporting from iran except on the very important nuclear issue, but think about it. there were millions of people demonstrating in iran a year and a half ago. they were quelled by the revolutionary guard. but now they're watching developments, they have access to all the media, they're watching developments in egypt
and they're asking if egypt, why not here? so i would not be surprised if the iranians at some point took back to the streets. >> i'm going to jump in on that thought because you're saying if egypt, why not here. egypt isn't done yet. hosni mubarak is still very much in power. let me ask you if tunisia may be the exception that proves the rule that some of these governments are in power because they are ruthless, because they have enormous resolve, because they are willing to do what it takes to maintain their own power. tunisia may have surprised everyone because it didn't have that kind of resolve, its president didn't have that kind of resolve. but could we see something more, more determination, more bloody mindedness, and i'm not saying this in optimistic way, i'm terrified about what may be ahead in egypt, in yemen or iran for that matter. >> well, i think the lesson that mubarak drew from tunisia is that ben ali got out too quickly
and should have held on. and so that's why it seems to me that mubarak is now doubling down. i'm sure that's the lesson which will be drawn by the iranians or anybody else. tunisia may be turn out to be a bit of a fluke in terms of the ease through which certain change took place. although the change is not over in tunisia by any chance. there's still some holdovers from the old regime and the man in charge right now is a former, maybe current chief of staff of the army. so the military is still important in tunisia, they're important in all of these countries. but each country is going to have somewhat different outcome. but i think the tsunami effect is going to continue, because of the basic situations of poverty, lack of freedom, and human rights and so on. >> up till now, we have seen as best we can count, dozens of deaths, hundreds of people wounded. we don't know how many people
are under arrest. but let me ask you, how bad could this get in egypt and elsewhere before this wave of protest, this demand for freedom is either answered or is crushed? >> that's a very good question. and in my judgment, the answer depends on the role of the military and the extent to which ordinary soldiers, even officers are willing to kill their brothers and sisters and colleagues and so on. i would say the situation in egypt is at the very top echelons of the military are loyal and will remain loyal to mubarak as long as he is around. at the bottom level, you have the conscripts. it is a conscripted army. it is large, but they're in office, you know, they're military people for two years or so, and i don't know that they will be able -- are willing to shoot their brothers and sisters and families on the streets.
so they're loyalty i think is uncertain. and then the pivotal element of the army is the middle level officer corps, which will probably be torn between receiving orders and loyalty to the top, agent top, which is probably on its way out over time, and the conscripts and the people. so how far this can go in terms of deaths and destruction and so on, i think will depend a great deal on the extent to which the military remain loyal to mubarak in egypt and the same i'd like to add applies to iran, where we've seen the last few months certain fizzers within the guard in iran. >> always good to talk to you. thanks very much. >> you're welcome. as we continue to watch the developments in egypt, there are new images coming in all the time. we've seen some that have come in that were taken within the last 24 hours.
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events keep unfolding in egypt. our coverage continues with new information and new pictures just about all the time. >> of course we have correspondents all across the map there in egypt, including fred pleitgen. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: yeah, fred, i mean i think we have that video now. when we were out there we saw people were arming themselves and sort of keeping watch outside their houses. it was basically in front of almost every single house in that area. you saw groups of people with clubs, with sawed off vacuum cleaner pipes, with two-by-fours, with rifles, with pistols, with samurai swords, anything they could do to defend their houses against what they say are armed criminal gangs that are going around and looting. we've heard reports of widespread looting in many areas outside of this downtown area here.
people are very afraid. we've been getting a lot of phone calls and so certainly when we were there we saw it appears as though exactly that is going on. people are trying to stop others from looting their places. we saw sort of gangs on motorcycles which people told us were in fact the looters, going around and people trying to scare them away. so for many people right now, this night is a very, very scary one, fredricka. >> it is indeed. and the night is still young. it's only after about 8:30 or so your time. >> reporter: certainly is. >> when you see that there are still pockets of people out on the streets, is it, you know, an issue of a smaller than ten in groups? are they in groups? or is it just a few people who are milling about? >> reporter: no, i mean, right now if you see people out on the street, there are still a lot of people out there. you see these people outside their houses with these clubs. i mean, these are almost honest to good community defense forces that have sort of been set up in an ad hoc basis. the thing is you never know when
you're driving around whether or not you're actually going to run into the good guys or the bad guys. everybody out there has armed themselves with something. you drive around and you see illegal check points that have sprung up, people trying to stop you car and you really can only hope these are not criminals who are going to try to either take away your car or take away your belongings. so right now it appears as though outside of this downtown area where we have this big military presence here to try to keep order, there really isn't any much in the way of law enforcement authority on the ground. the people there tell us the police have simply vanished and right now they're doing their best to try and protect what they have. it's clearly, this is a point in time where they say they have no trust in the police and they really don't know whether or not the police is going to come back, fredricka. >> all right. frederick pleitgen, thanks so much. we'll check back in with you from cairo. so getting the information in, getting it out of the can't, really has been a very interesting kind of sign of the times. we know that social media has
played a significant role in this unrest that's unfolding in cairo, just like we saw in iran, for example, a couple of of years ago. >> and the government's effort to maintain its authority has carried over to the internet as well, because the authorities are trying very hard to clamp down. mohammed jamjoom is following all of that for us. what are you seeing, mohammed? >> reporter: right now one of the topics being discussed most on social media regarding cairo is in fact what we were talking about with fred regarding the museum of antiquities in cairo, we saw video of what appears to be looting at the museum. we have images, apparently a human shield is being formed around the museum so the looting would stop. citizens in egypt trying to make sure that looting would stop. let me show you a couple of tweets reportedly coming out of cairo in the last little bit. here's one, looting by thugs at antiquities museum in cairo, unfortunate and very sad. also, i'm hearing the museum in cairo has been damaged and looted despite the army's attempts to protect it.
really tragic. sadness being expressed on twitter because of that. some other tweets, here's john jensen, streets near egypt, ministry of interior really not safe right now, blood on our clothes, not our own. ministry mubarak's last stand, they want to take it. police are armed and hunkered down. here's one, during the siege on the interior ministry, reports of at least five people killed, saw funeral procession 30 minutes ago. one more we want to talk to you about, this is our correspondent nic robertson, chaos at alexandria hospital, short of staff, protesters angry at doctors saying not being treated quickly enough. right now we're seeing reporters being able to tweet out, still not seeing a lot of tweets from just citizens in cairo. there still is an internet outage. a lot of people trying to use mobile networks to get online and utilize social media, but clearly a real desire out there to get that message across, to tweet about what's going on and continue to get this message
across to online activism. >> the people of egypt want better lives, more freedom, choose their own government. but people who make those kinds of demands in egypt in other times tend to have a hard time of it. and on the internet as well. that's been a dangerous place to protest. hasn't it? >> reporter: oh, absolutely. not just in egypt, especially in light of what happened in tunisia but also after what happened in iran, after the electio elections, we've seen online ak tiskism take off. but that's very dangerous in these countries where there are autocratic regimes. it's dangerous asking for reform. we've seen reports of harassment of these types of people, not just in egypt but also in yemen and places like saudi arabia. this has been a repeated motif over the last year, and you've seen a lot of groups like committee to protect journalists, like human rights watch, to stop harassing the online community and bloggers trying to get the message out, the desire for reform.
as we watch the upheaval in egypt, be mindful of the history. egypt signed a peace agreement with israel three years ago, so the israelis are watching as closely with anyone in the world. joining me, kevin flower. what's the government saying? we've apparently lost kevin flower. but if you're just joining us, once again, what we've been hearing from egypt, all of this has entered a new phase on day five after the unrest that has forced the egyptian president hosni mubarak to fire his cabinet. he's now appointed a new vice president and new prime minister to reform his government. but the police are not in the streets and the military apparently are not in control of the egyptian capital. you're looking there at the new vice president, omar suleiman. a trusted figure in the mubarak regime, a former intelligence chief who some people say once
saved hosni mubarak's life after one of the six assassination attempts mubarak has survived. while suleiman is now the vice president of egypt, part of the protests that still have not ended. well, from tehran, a very different perspective from what we've been seeing elsewhere, iran's state-run news agency reports yield to protesters demand. the ministry spokesperson says, quote, iran expects egyptian officials to listen to the invoices of their people, respond to their rightful demands and refrain from exerting violence by security forces and police against an islamic wave of awareness that has spread through the country in form of a popular movement. the protests are from a variety of groups inside egypt. this is what we've come to learn. we'll take a close look at the opposition, or representatives of the opposition in egypt right after this.
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yet. but if there is no shortage of people who have positioned themselves to step in in case president hosni mubarak were to step down. unlike in tunisia there are several official parties opposed to the longtime president's rule. so here is just a sampling of the main ones we may know of. you may recognize this man mohamed elbaradei. he was the u.n.'s atomic energy chief for 12 years and nobel peace prize winner and now he's back in egypt and heads an opposition umbrella group called the national association for change. learn mou about this may. ayman nur who leads the el ghad party. he became the second against president mubarak in the last presidential vote in 2005. he went to prison for three years after that on charges that he forged signatures to register his party. and then next take a look at this man right here.
al sayed al badawi. his party is called the new wavwafd party. then mohammad badie leading the largest and most recognized opposition party in egypt, the muslim brotherhood. his biggest problem is the muslim brotherhood is officially banned in egypt. it's illegal. they still manage to hold a few seats in parliament for a while but not anymore. then there is the april 6th youth movement. you may have heard a little bit about them. they started on facebook about three years ago. they organized pro democracy rallies and they threw a big party for mohamed elbaradei. remember i mentioned him as one of the leading opposition leaders when he returned to egypt last year after his nobel peace prize and also running the atomic energy agency.
that's just a little sampling of members of the opposition if it were to become a case of the next administration or leadership after hosni mubarak. jonathan. >> fredericka. we have all been watching those amazing images coming cairo. we've been monitoring the airwaves and monitoring the internet but what about the streets? we have a resident of cairo worried about the deteriorating security situation. cell service has been restored. he's on the line. tell us first of all where you have been and what you have seen. >> well, i'm currently -- hi, jonathan, first off. i reside in a place called doki which is very close to downtown. i have been attending the protests for the past -- since the 25th. mainly the one on friday. on friday we went three of us --
we were -- met with security forces shelling us with teargas. there were also front line thugs, plainclothes officers that were there basically to terrorize the very peaceful demonstrators who were there just to voice their opinion. and we were in a war zone, basically, with the teargas and with the intimidation from these thugs with sticks and batons, what have you. after i left my two friends to return home, i heard -- i got news that one of the friends that was with me got shot in the head with a rubber bullet. i mean, end of the day, we were all there just protesting and voicing our opinion. >> let me just ask you is he okay? have you had an update -- >> he's okay. he's fine. today everybody like myself sean this gentleman as well who lives on the outskirts of cairo on the 6th of october, we have all
become vigilantes. we're asked now to protect ourselves. i was just downstairs and i just came up to make the call. we have no -- there have been no police officers on the streets since this morning. looting, pillaging. people are terrified. i myself for one have been in the streets since 5:00 because i can hear live ammunition around my house. we've agreed between us in my square -- all of the men are downstairs trying to protect their ladies and their children and the women in the houses. >> i'm going to interrupt just because you mentioned looting and pillaging in passing. are you seeing that actually happen? >> okay. that's a good -- that's a good question. i saw this morning on shahib street which we had heard rumors last night there was looting and pillaging. i did see some shops that were burnt down. the duty-free shops here in
cairo seemed like they were barraged by an air raid that burnt to the ground. this morning i saw with my own eyes there is a junk yard with cars. people were burning the cars and taking spare parts from the cars and everybody was taking photos of them and videotaping them. okay, great to have some content but at the end of the day nobody was doing anything. the military was not in sight. there are no police officers since the morning. >> you've mentioned attacks on businesses, on commercial establishments but clearly people are afraid that private homes are going to be -- >> private homes have been also. that's why we're in the streets. i mean, you should see the main street that leads to the square where my house is. the residents have blockaded the roads and basically it's like the wild west. i mean, where is the security? where is somebody -- i mean, the army is on tv. i see it on all the channels but
they're in the main squares but they're not protecting the people in their homes. i understand that this can be just because of the interim period until people who are in charge come in charge. but, i mean, right now it's just ma hem here. >> let me jump in and ask another question. state television is still broadcasting. the president spoke. obviously, he talked about politics and the need for order. but have authorities had any instructions -- to people in cairo know what they're supposed to do to keep themselves safe? >> yes. actually, on the national channel, they've been informing people that actually now you have to protect yourself until -- and they have short numbers actually to be fair where you can call in and say there are people coming into your neighborhood and they supposedly send somebody. we haven't reached that point yet because we're waiting for people and have heard rumors. rumors are circulating everywhere. you don't know what's true and what's not true. at the end of the day you can't -- it's better safe than
sorry. so we're downstairs. people are armed. whether it's legal arms or illegal arms, at the end of the day, there has been a message that you have to protect yourself. okay. so you protect yourself and you weigh that you see fit. i personally have a golf club but what can you do? >> armed as he's telling us with a golf club against the spreading chaos in the streets of cairo. thank you very much and do take care. we'll be back with more right after this.