extremely judicious. he must have weighed this very carefully. i trust his judgment at the end of the day. if he thought that this actually would be a threat to u.s. national security, you'd find riots around the world. it would make him more of a martyr. i would have -- i think he -- and it came down that way, i would support that. you know, the other interesting part of this, eliot, it's true in pakistan, there's some -- you know, people are protesting he's not dead and that sort of thing, even though, as the protest, taking him out, but the truth is, most of the world thinks he's dead, so i don't think the president had a great weight on his shoulders to make that case. and i think that -- and i think that led him to make the decision, okay, in this case why release this and get -- have people rally and the gruesome pictures and everything else. >> all right, walter dellinger, david gergen, thank you for being here. up next, e.d. hill talks to a man who pioneered the kind of special ops unit that took down bin laden. america.