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y vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening and welcome tonight as a heat wave roars over the east coast like a blast furnace, the debt ceiling talks in washington appear to be going stone cold. every few hours we get another tip about some development. but they all lead to this endless circle of hell called more negotiations. you've heard all these warnings from the left, the right, and the center that the clock is ticking. the meltdown is looming. financial armageddon is on the way. today's cry for outrage go to democrats. of maryland who here's a surprise, doesn't like the proposed cuts in social programs. >> once again, the radical right is more worried about protecting their next election than protecting the greatest
generation or investing in the next generation. what a sham. what a scam. i'd be tempted to just blow it off if it were not so cruel, stupid, and dangerous. >> and now tonight after all of these accusations and whining, we're hearing the whole mess may end not with a bang but with a whimper. you absolutely will not believe it. i'll talk to two of the smartest people i know in a moment. but first a look at the other stories tonight. fireworks in the house of commons. first it was the murdochs, today it was britain's prime minister. david cameron faced his critics but will he keep his address? and in somalia, millions of children facing starvation. will help reach them in time? a look at the face of famine.
then after months of name calling and finger pointing, where's the deal? no, not the debt ceiling, the other deal americans care about. are you ready for some football? we have a lot going on tonight. emergency meetings at the white house appear to have fallen flat. the president today met separately with democratic and republican leaders, part of the seemingly endless effort to raise the debt ceiling before the clock runs out. the republican leadership left the white house a short time ago and our own white house correspondent is there. jessica, what on earth is going on? >> what's going on is meetings, process, discussion. so far no action. we are now less than two days away from the white house's own self-imposed time for a deal. and now they are saying it's time to stop pushing for a major deficit reduction package and find the easiest path forward to
raise the ceiling and push for the rest another time. >> isn't this the very thing that just a few days ago depending on which side you were talking to says that's not what we need to do. this seems to be the thing they said we can't do. >> it's still the case that there are not enough votes to simply raise the debt ceiling. so there is a political reality that in the house of representatives it is probably likely -- the thinking is it is likely you may need something else to be added in. the political reality is you have to negotiate a package that does something like add in spending cuts. that's why they're here talking about it. there's also the political truth that the white house is in the war over public perception losing less. because they keep talking about doing the big deal. so the public is blaming the white house less and blaming republicans and congress. but that doesn't get anybody anywhere. they still have to figure out a package. we're no closer at this moment.
>> are all the problems we had last week, week before, yesterday, four hours ago, we still have all those problems? we're just talking about another maneuver and push it down to road. >> what's fascinating is i continue to hear these outsiders who don't work in washington describe this as washington as it works. there's always a mess in washington and they come together at the end. it's a normal washington process. and i'm talking to a lot of old washington hands who have been here for decades and they are calling this one as abnormal washington process. the difference with this one is that there are these new freshmen in the house of representatives that don't care about getting re-elected. you cannot sweeten this deal. you cannot win them over by adding something to the vote, really. and they don't know how this is going to end in the end. it's a bit of a cliff-hanger for everybody. there's just a lot of baited
breath hoping that with the clock ticking they'll find the votes at the last minute. but that's part of the reason here. >> abnormal for washington, you said a mouthful there. thank you. it didn't take long to reach this point of course. yesterday's thoughts for a breakthrough were dashed on this party lines and so we're still waiting. even a quick walk down memory lane, shows bumps ahead. remember the grand bargain? well, that cannot pass the house. last night house republicans passed their cut cap and balance bill but that cannot pass the senate. and then there's the gang of six solution as it's called. so what if the clock ticks down and we still don't have a deal? david durgan joins me now from
san francisco. and from berkeley, california, robert rishe. david talk to me about this gang of six solution. hours ago people were saying maybe this is the key. now people are acting it is truly yesterday's news. why? >> well, the fizz has gone out of that bottle, i'm afraid. it remains a three or four page outline. when people get into it to explore the details, they came up with very different interpretations of it. and opposition has sprung up from both sides. labor unions have been attacking it but so has the hard right. the house republicans came out with their report last night saying it's going to raise taxes by $2 trillion. not what democrats believe but that's what they're arguing. of course that tanks it on the right. here's where i think we are.
the danger now is that if the gang of six is out, the grand bargain is out. we're down to the reed mcconnell plan. i worry a lot that we're on a boat floating somewhere above niagra falls and we're getting closer to the edge. i think prospects have risen to over 50% that we could have a default. >> do you agree? >> i think david is being a little bit dire. we have a little bit to go. we seem to have people in congress who knows that the cost of no deal on raising the debt ceiling would be apocalyptic in terms of the economy and interest rates that what soar. the fact creditors would not get paid. there could be worldwide
repercussions. i think you are going to see the light, either side. jessica reported before on this group of highly rigid republicans, tea party based, who were saying we only came to washington for one reason and one reason only. i think the real question is where are they going to go? are they going to see the light? and how many votes do they represent? >> that is a critical question, robert. david, address that for a minute here. because this does seem -- when jessica talks about abnormal for washington, i've heard people in d.c. say the same thing. they say we have this group of newcomers who say very directly i don't care if i'm re-elected. i was elected to do this one thing and i'll go down in flames doing it before i back away. how much does that effect this process? >> it effects it a lot. but the truth is this is what they were sent to washington by angry voters. the tea party did not start from
the top. it was a grass roots movement that sent people to washington with this in mind. understand this is a very, very divided country still. i would like to believe that bob reich is right. i've been in the optimist camp for some time. i'm not sure the votes are there in the house for mcconnell. the answer, if there is going to be an answer, is to add spending cuts. a significant amount. maybe up to a trillion dollars, maybe a trillion and a half. if they add those cuts with no tax increases, can you get the democrats to vote for it? and would you get enough republicans to go along with the democrats to get a majority? i'm not sure the votes are there at this hour. >> one of the things i'm concerned about here is when i watch all of these plans, they're all coming out on this half-formed nature. i called it adjustable rate legislation. that's the problem. nobody seems to want to speak up
because they're not sure what deal they're possibly agreeing to. is that also part of this? people aren't specifically saying this is what i will do. >> that's part of it, i think. you've got two sides that are irreconcilable. you are getting out of that. if anybody wants an increase, you're going to have a theater of the absurd in which you have so many procedural votes and faints this way and that way that republicans can say to their constituents i voted against lifting the debt ceiling. i voted against raising taxes. and democrats can say to their constituencies i voted to save medicare and social security and to be responsible in the budget. somehow everybody can say what they need to say to their own constituencies and the can can get kicked doup the road through
the election of 2012 and the debt ceiling could be raised. but that dance, nobody knows what it will entail. i think it will partly be some sort of set of symbolic, maybe halfway real but mostly symbolic gestures. >> one more quick question, david. are there going to be any winners in this? i cannot see how anybody in washington really comes out better in this. >> at this point, no big winners. there's no question that jessica reported of the game. if there's any winner so far it's been the president. or she said he's not getting blamed as much as republicans are being blamed. at the end of the day, if they do have simply a bridge, they don't really solve the underlying problems, there is a strong risk -- and bob can speak to this better than i can -- that moody's if you come up with a small deal, they'll downgrade
our credit rating. if they do that, i think everybody in washington gets hurt. if all of this leads to a whimp whimper, i think that's a defeat to everybody in washington. >> interest rates -- >> something about the -- i know that this has been raised before, but you touched in your blog today about the death of financial reform. you're concerned about in the midst of all this, this is all going on. this notion that really all this is not working. tell us about that before we go. >> tomorrow is the first year birthday of the enactment of don frank. that completely revolutionized wall street so we would see no repeat of the debacle a few years ago. unfortunately that act has been defamed. it's one of the first times i heard of a first birthday where
the child has lost the teeth before he even got the teeth. as a result, the problem there quite seriously the problem is that right now there is no real change on wall street. the lobbyists for wall street have succeeded in doing what they set out to do initially and that is to make sure there were loopholes big enough to drive their ferraris through. and there are. >> unbelievable. >> tom, i wish that the president had fought for elizabeth warren. i have come to know, like, and respect her. that would have been a fight worth having. >> i'm afraid that discussion passes by. but it's a shame we haven't talked more about her. i wish we had more time to talk tonight. always great to have you with us. i'm sure we'll talk to you again soon. coming up, the murdoch phone hacking scandal reached the very top today.
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communications director. today he indicated he wouldn't have done that had he known what was going on at the news of the world. this is emerging as the choice of this scandal. delay action and in effect say don't blame me. the question is will it work? we're joined by nicolas wopshat has an inside take on the key players. thanks for being here. let's crank through the crowd here. rupert and james murdoch, the father and son team in this. after their testimony yesterday no matter what we thought of it, news corp. stock rose almost 60%. did they dodge a bullet? >> not necessarily. a number of reasons stock may go up. one may be that you think rupert looked so unwell, so old that even a page said age of the
issue. actually the cooperate governance may get better. >> he didn't look very strong there. there were these weird contractions that happened. in one breath he said i couldn't know what was going on with me employees. then someone else said could it happen 9/11? then he said no that couldn't. how did you know? >> we didn't know bin laden was there or we knew and didn't do anything about it. you can't have it both ways. >> exactly. let's turn to david cameron. is the worst behind him? >> certainly not. because we've got a whole year's worth of judicial inquiry. all of which will keep this alive. then we've also got the police investigation. 8,000 people were hacked. all of those are -- >> we've only heard about 100. >> 170 have been hacked so far.
we don't know yet. so this is a running sore. rather like rupert murdoch, someone who didn't know what was going on. >> the people at the top always say i want all the credit for everything that goes right in my company, when something goes wrong i don't know what the little people were doing. >> imagine if the president of the united states hired a disgraced newspaper tabloid editor to be his press spokesman. that's what he did. that shows someone who's got very poor judgment when it comes to personalities. which makes you wonder all the cabinet people he appointed. how good were they? >> so he's got a lot of hurdles in front of him, you think. >> i think actually the labor leader could have if he wanted stay and he didn't do it. i just wonder whether they think the labor party is better off having cameron there and weak and damaged goods to finish him off. >> rebekah brooks, her testimony
yesterday said the company acted quickly and concisely in the hacking scandal. but she's been arrested by police. how did she do? >> she looked pretty shifty to me at all of the commons hearing evidence yesterday. i didn't quite believe a word she said. once more, what said was plainly not true because she didn't cure it early. as we know, news executives who could it be aside from rebekah brooks stood in way of the investigation. did everything to make sure it was killed off early. >> what about andy coulson? we talk about the impact on cameron, did cameron throw him under the bus? >> he tried to, but i suspect coulson is in a position to dump
on all the news corp. people if he wants to. he can strie to implicate other people. >> what about john yates? he's criticized for shutting down the original phone hacking investigation. i'm reminded of that show "star trek" that every time an officer was at the party he was going to get killed. >> i guess he's the most obvious fall guy. on the other hand i think he was a roughly honest cop. the reason he closed down was the fact that the news corp. executives prevented him from doing it. instead he and his boss who are employed by the london times decided they'd rather give up the fight. on the other hand i think on the whole, the top cops who've gone have done it for the honorable reasons. is another means of getting david cameron.
if a top cop goes because of something on his watch, you would wonder if cameron should do the same thing. >> yesterday i was saying from over here it's hard to tell. is the heat on this story still rising? or do you think it's at an apex right now? because if i'm rupert murdoch on david cameron, i'm saying let's see if we can hold on until it cools a bit. >> we are in that area of summer before people go, so there is going to be a bit of a lull in this story. i don't really see it going away. there's been a market readjustment today. that might be just one day. it's no nobody's interest really to allow this story to go away. the fact is rupert murdoch is on the run now. and the great german word that explains what's been going on is
that the british public really likes seeing somebody like rupert get his comeuppance. >> i was hoping that schadenfreud would come up tonight. thank you for joining us tonight. up next, in this world-shaking murdoch scandal, what if in the end all the major players walk away essentially untouched. if you think it can't happen, think again. we'll be right back. to make science as exciting as a video game. i need to reach peter, who's falling behind. and push janet who's 6 chapters ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] with interactive learning solutions from dell, mrs. davis can make education a little more personal. so every student feels like her only student. dell. the power to do more. i find investments with e-trade's top 5 lists
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more on our in-depth report on the murdoch phone hacking scandal. we just got video in a minute ago. look at this. this is rupert murdoch, there he is returning to where we are right now. back to new york with his wife wendi. so he's back home here in manhattan after his trials overseas. not trial as such but difficult times. that's what it looks like him
coming in. british opposition leader miliband expressed concern today that this scandal not turn into an event quote, where the whirlwind blows through and nothing really changes. how many times have you seen that happen in these stories? but with david cameron pushing back on his critics scene news corp. stock climbing, it's possible it could play out without anything. jeremy, welcome. thanks for being here. you reported that the analysts consider hearing the big success for rupert and james murdoch. let's look at some of the footage from him yesterday compared to minutes ago. he's at the table there. a lot of people said he looked like a guy who is almost nodding off, a little out of touch. some of his questions didn't seem with it. doesn't that have any impact on these investors and the stock folks out there? >> i think absolutely it does. i think what you were seeing
from investors was more a function of the low expectations around this hearing. i think people thought rupert is not the best public speaker and they were expecting under pressure that he might crack or might say something that implicated in this wrong doing when it occurred. but that didn't happen. so what he walked away with was not an extraordinary appearance or by any means a grand slam, but it was just fine. and i think that that's really all people needed to see. >> to be honest with you, does james count in all of this? he's the son but as long as rupert's around, does anybody care how good or bad he is? >> i think they do. because he's the presumed heir apparent. now, if he had really flubbed yesterday, i think the stock price probably would have dropped a lot. because this is the man you would assume is going to run the company someday. i don't know that that's any -- that that's the case any longer. it remains to be seen what
happens to james, but this scandal has sustained him and his reputation in a big way. he will have to recover. >> a couple questions i have about this. both guys say i had no knowledge of anything illegal going on. which is what any ceo says anytime something bad happens which to me says you're guilty of something. either not being honest about that or not knowing what goes on in your company. >> right and neither are something you expect from a senior executive at a company. either what did you know or why did you allow a culture of corrupt journalists to flourish underneath you? >> in the case of rupert murdoch, this isn't like he bought some digital tv line he didn't know about. i mean, he's a newspaper guy. that's where he came from. so arguably he had the expertise. this wasn't a frying pan factory
he didn't know anything about. >> one of the things you'll hear critics of rupert say is that he's very engaged in his newspapers. he probably speaks to the editor of the wall street journal more than any other editor of papers. that's multiple times a day. "news of the world," less clear that he was involved in their day to day business. but it's not hard to think of him picking up the phone and asking what's going to be in this paper. >> in the end, my suspicion is that he's untouchable. he's so far up the ladder that he has so many people to cut off below him if he needs to. what do you think? >> i don't know. i watched him yesterday and i saw a man who looked every bit his 80 years of age. he's been running this company a very long time. he's been tremendously successful. i think that it's not inconceivable before the end of the year there could be new
leadership at the top of news corp. >> and are there any more lines up? there's still investigations going on. >> there's investigations on two continents. >> if something comes up here with 9/11 victims or anything at all, that's a whole new box of tacks isn't it? >> exactly. it also remains to be seen in congress how loud the cries will get for a re-examination of his media holdings here. will they try to make some effort at dismantling news corp.'s stronghold on the media market here? i don't know. but certainly, you can imagine his political enemies trying to run with this. >> and his defenders defending him as well. jeremy peters thanks for being here. coming up, is there going to
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can you believe the nfl preseason is supposed to start next month? fans want this nfl lockout to end so it'll happen so the season won't be delayed. but owners and players remain at a standoff. one of the biggest issues are the injuries that result from devastating hits like this one. and the lack of medical coverage right now. look at that. the players need to complete four seasons to get full medical benefits. and the average career is shorter than that. this week several former players fired a lawsuit against the nfl and the helmet manufacturers ridell. joining me now is one of the plaintiffs in that. he suffered a major concussion in his very first nfl game then had to battle the league to pay for his brain surgery. george vigar joins me now.
thanks for being here. tell us the story of what happened to you. >> do you have a couple days? the story is pretty convoluted. but basically i was drafted by the jets in 1980. then i got cut at the end of the season. 49ers picked me up third or fifth game. practiced a couple days, friday we fly to dallas. we're playing the game of the week on saturday which was a short week for us. early in the first quarter, first play i'm in playing defensive tackle. i get trapped. i get ear holed by a tight end or someone. suffered a major concussion, and the trainers told me afterwards -- i played the entire game. never missed a play. they told me afterwards that i went through 25 to 30 smelling salts during the game. never missed a practice after that. played a few games for them during the season, then they cut
me. brought me back the last few games soft season. the second year i came back and blew a knee out. had knee surgery and was coming out of that when i developed water on the brain. they misdiagnosed that for several weeks, told me it was high blood pressure. my brain was hemorrhaging. i had focal point paralysis among other symptoms. then i went in for emergency brain surgery in september. september of the super bowl season. >> so you were in the hospital at that point in very serious condition. >> pardon me? >> you were at the hospital in very serious condition. at what point did somebody say this could be related to that hit? >> well, they never did. basically what happened was i was told i could still play with a shunt in my head.
they drilled a hole in my skull. a tube goes in my brain, there's a pressure valve in there and they drained spinal fluid out of my head 24/7. i came back and the doctors said they were looking at a special made helmet to protect my shunt and i was all for playing. we were progressing through that season and we win the super bowl. four months after the super bowl, and in that meantime i was having some issues. had never been in trouble in my life. i got arrested three times between my first brain surgery in september of '81 and the second and third brain surgeries were ten hours apart. >> for what? whart you arrested for? >> i'd have a couple of beers and the next thing i would know, 12 hours later i'm standing in jail with no memory how i got there. i would hear stories of me doing things that i didn't do normally. throwing chairs through windows,
punching guys out, just totally out of character for me. so i go back to see the doctors. this was may of '82, just four months after we won the super bowl. i had just been arrested for the third time. i told them what was going on, they said it wasn't from the surgery. i said i was going to mexico to go fishing for a few days. they do a brain scan on me, they tell me you're good to go. leave the country. i fly down to mexico -- i said what about drinking? they said no problem. i go to mexico, that first night down there i had one margarita at dinner, started having major headaches. i told mel and nancy i'm going back to the room. they stayed out that night, come back a few hours later, i'm in a coma. the pressure builds up in my brain and is crushing my brain from the inside out.
took them a day or so to get me home. new surgery in sacramento. he reoperates and puts the shunt in. the original hole was in the back of my head. they said that wasn't a good place. dr. cobb was my new surgeon. i was in such bad shape they didn't want to traumatize me worse. put it in that hole. hours later i'm comatose. they give me a third surgery, last rights. i have no memory of virtually the whole first year. >> let me ask you about this. you went through all of this, and in this process -- what you told me so far is all you heard from the league was when you were capable of playing, keep playing. but the rest of the time, were you getting any medical help on this? was there any sense that they were behind you in this or what? >> no. nothing. i mean, i never received
anything from them, any help on any of this. the second and third brain surgeries, that was like a year or so before i got back on my feet. one of my first recollections were i started getting hospital bills for brain surgeries two and three. i would say please bill san francisco 49ers. even with my memory as it is, i have a horrible memory. i live out of my notebooks. 20 years of these. i write down minute by minute what's going on. i still remember the 49ers address because i wrote it so many times on these bills. please bill san francisco 49ers. 711 nevada street. >> i want to ask you one more thing before we run out of time. so you went through this experience as a young football player. it's been obviously a horrendous experience for you. what do you hope can come out of all these negotiations? because when we hear about these talks, people say it's a bunch of millionaires arguing about
millions of dollars. i guess some of it is, but when it comes to issues like, the question of the nfl being responsible for what happens to these young players like you, what's the best thing you could see come out of this? >> well, it's like any other industry. i was fulfilling my obligation, my role in that industry. i'm an employer, if i have an employee injured on the job, you have workers' compensation that takes care of them. this is illegal and immorale for decades. they put their employees in harm's way knowing full well you will get injured playing. it's not if you get injured. if you play football, you will be injured. so they have nothing set up to take care of their injured employees. what i'm hoping that comes from this is that we educate some folks coming up through the ranks. my son will never play.
i loved playing football. there were two loves in my life, one was biology and football. those were my goals from the time i was a kid. it breaks my heart to think of my son never playing. but the toll is just too great. it's taken on my marriage, my family. the ripple effect from traumatic brain injuries are huge. it effects so many other people. >> i'm afraid we're going to call it done. i really appreciate you talking to us. george visger, obviously the nfl has their own position. they always say they've been a responsible employer. but we appreciate you telling your side of the story and we'll see how the negotiations turn out. good luck to you. >> thank you. appreciate it. coming up, another vicious cycle we have to look at. people lose their jobs and their homes, then cities can't collect the property tax. then vital services suffer like schools. and without education, you get
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tempur-pedic. the most highly recommended bed in america. the school year in memphis, tennessee, is supposed to start in a few weeks. but some 100,000 students may have no place to go. last week the city cut $78 million from the school budget. last night the board voted to shut down until the city pays up. meanwhile, minnesota is raising $700 million by delaying aid to school districts there. this is a common scene we're seeing across the country. schools are taking the hit. joining us now steve perry. steve, thanks for being here. how common is this becoming around this country? >> unfortunately it's becoming more and more common. and in the case of memphis and many small towns who never had
enough money in their property taxes to run their local schools with b they've always had to depend on the state and in some cases the county and federal government to pay for their schools. i'm perplexed as to why the riff between the city and the school board has led to this. because some 93% of memphis public schools resources actually come from outside the city. >> let's talk about this general shortage of resources, though, steve. because one of the things i'm wondering about in all these cases is you're running into federal government running out of help, the local government can't handle it, the state can't handle it because every government is saying even if our head is above water, it's barely above water. >> we have spent gaudy for a long time on our schools. we have spent a lot of money and gotten very little in terms of an outcome. our schools across the country are some of the lowest performing in the industrialized world. and we as a country have not
produced the next group of industry builders. in some cases, many of the kids who are coming out aren't good employees, says employers. >> what do you mean by that, steve? >> because we're not producing the type of students that our economy needs. we're not producing students who can go off to college. some 30% of our current high school graduates go off to college only to take remedial classes. of those kids, four out of five of them had a gpa of over 3.0. that's us, the educators. that's not the parents, the economy, that's us. we have to do a better job of giving the community what they pay for. >> and that makes it easy if you're not going that well for them to say hey why are we spending all that money? >> it does make it easy. in fact, it bears the question why then are we paying so much for our public education. >> here's the second part of it.
if it was just money, we should send our kids to prison. they have the highest classes. however, they're not necessarily in a place you want to send a child. we have seen, unfortunately, that many of us in the public schools have become lazy. we're not producing the results that are expected even when we're talking about the suburbs. our kids internationally are getting whooped because we as a country are not putting enough pressure on our education system to produce solid schools. >> all right. chv)sxb you ib%ox9y1ñs lay it on the line. you remind me of the saying if you havefóv1!x solution, then money's not the problem. a lot of schools would say yeah but the money's still a problem. thank you. we appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, somalia is suffering a draught fought for ages. you must see this. famine is spreading across the
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southern sow mall a mall somalia is a tough place to livlive now drought. 10 million people are at risk in the horn of africa. somalia's in the worst shape. thousands have will be died. it's likely to get much, much worse. many desperate families have fled to kenya. david mackenzie is there tonight at the daub refugee camp. what are they finding there? particularly for all the kids who are at risk? >> there are a lot of disturbing statistics in this crisis. one of them 2 million children who could be starving in the coming months if they don't get food aid here in africa. at the end of every statistic, there's often one person. in this case it's the terrible and tragic story of sarah.
>> reporter: carrying the limp body of sarah. his dead child. she drew her last breath at dawn. sarah was just four. facing mecca, they prayed for her soul and bury her. severely malnourished, abraham tried to get sarah to the nearest hospital. but a ride costs just over a dollar here, more than any of these could afford. sarah's uncle says they fled here hoping for better. we didn't come with money from somalia. we didn't come with anything, he says. we're refugees but we're dying because we don't get enough help. his family arrives tired and hungry but they were forced to
beg for food for two weeks. when they finally got given it, it didn't help. we haven't been given enough help, he says. we've been given only flour and maize. and a child sick won't get better on that. she needed more help. now he worries he could lose another child. and his daughter decca is dangerously thin. it's in god's hands, he says. it's not in mine. but if it stays this bad, more people will die. they call this place balabagte, it means carcass. it's where people leave their animals to die. but he says they protected her well. she's already in paradise. dawn will break here in a few hours. whether more fathers will be burying more children depends on whether the world will come and
give some action to this crisis. the u.n. has called the famine in somalia -- group has banned or thrown out the world food program to reaching those areas. if they allow access and guarantee safety and security for the u.n. and others, possibly we could help feed people in southern somalia and that could help end this immediate crisis in the horn. >> i know one of the concerns from the u.n. has been that there has not been enough international aid coming in. has that been the real choke point? that it's not showing up or simply cannot get to people? the warnings have been coming out for weeks and weeks now. >> reporter: well, months, in fact. certainly the warnings from some were coming earlier this year. that's right. the real problem is that in somalia and these two regions of somalia, aid hasn't been able to go there. i was here in the region at the
last severe drought. effectively they were able to get to those people and help mitigate the drop in the southern parts of somalia. not just the fact that they can't get in but the lack of funds. the uk charity and others are saying there's a funding short of about $800 million. the u.s. says it will give more money because of this famine call. but that's not enough. other rich countries need to give money, according to the people here toll save this crisis. there's also a climate change, higher food prices, and with livelihoods dipping over time. as the horn of africa itself, everyone is sitting on the edge here. any sort of crisis or lack of rain or conflict pushes them over. >> david mckenzie, we'll look for more reporting from you on this story. and we'll look for you to join us again tomorrow night.