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presidential campaign. politico announcing a shakeup regarding two of michele bachmann's top staffers. ed rollins, a familiar presence on the show, stepping back to what is called an advisory role citing health concerns and david pulenski is leaving the campaign entirely. the two had, quote, strategic differences on the path forward. politico saying it is unclear who will take either man's place. joining us are james carville and ari fleischer who can be reached on twitte twitter @arifleischer. james, what do you make of the shakeup? >> it's possible ed rollins could have health issues here. that's not outside the realm of possibility. he had some health issues before. sometimes people just say that. also the differences in campaigns happen. it would be early to call this
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significant. it may be but probably more to find out before i deem it as something significant yet. >> ari, if it is health, that's one thing. if it's not, could this also be the growing pains of a campaign? campaigns start off one way, often evolve into something else. >> yeah. this often does happen in campaigns. anderson, as james knows, campaigns are the most gruelling thing you can do. it's a labor of love and intensity. it's ridiculous hours, low pay, grinding work but ends in joy hopefully if you win. i'm 50 and i'm too old to do a campaign. it's a young person's business on the presidential level. i don't know the facts with ed. he's 68 years old. you have to keep an eye out for these things, especially michele bachmann has a history of not being able to keep a staff at her congressional office. let's see how this plays out. >> john king joins us as well. what do you make of this?
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>> as james and ari know as veterans of campaigns there are shakeups. this comes at a time when michele bachmann faces the entrance of rick perry in the race which stalled her momentum a bit. she has a lot to prove in south carolina and iowa is the most critical state. also there have been missteps. some of them silly. confusing elvis's birthday with his death day. silly factual misstatements, some not so silly. the management of the campaign saying, hey, staffers must be giving her bad information has come into play. last time i talked to ed rollins was in an e-mail exchange. he was having fun. he has had health issues so i will take them at their word for now. they have had questions about management style and substance within the campaign without a doubt. >> james, you have worked on a lot of campaigns and still work on campaigns overseas. obviously you disagree with her politically but as a campaign.
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>> she has a lot of energy. one thing we know is michele bachmann, contrary to my pulling for her won't be the republican nominee. it's hard to work on a campaign where you have a chance. but it's really hard to work on a campaign where you know in the end that you are not going to prevail. that could have something to do with this. ari is right. this is strictly when a campaign is a cause as opposed to something that will end in ultimate victory. you have to have energy and perseveran perseverance. i think john pointed out she's had trouble keeping staff. some people are hard to work for. i don't know that much about her. >> to john's point about the entrance of mitt romney changing or maybe stalling some momentum, do you think that's true? if so, how big a problem do you think it is for her? >> you know, i think michele bachmann attracts people working for her because they believe in
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her and she has a special appeal, charisma and energy. even if you are working on a campaign that's not winning, but, remember, she does have a chance to win this thing. it's too soon to pronounce who will win the republican nomination. that fires up a staff and gets them energized. you have to let this play out. if she does lose staff, at the end of the day it's not the worse thing to happen to candidates. many candidates go through staff changes. it does become a test of who the candidate is, how they persevere and move forward. newt gingrich is being tested on that front now. it's part of the adversity of campaigning that helps prepare people to be president. it's a grinding fact about working on a campaign. we get to measure the candidates over time as they deal with adversity whether personnel or policy. >> james carville is grinning like a cheshire cat. why? >> i didn't say who was going to
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win, i just said she wasn't. it's hard to work on a campaign that has a chance to win. it's nearly impossible on one that doesn't have a chance. ed is a friend of mine. he's -- he worked for christine todd whitman. and whitman and bachmann are on a different planet if you ask me. he's a political professional. >> obviously worked for reagan for a long time. michele bachmann and four other republicans were at a forum today at a forum hosted by senator jim demint. who do you think made the best impression for the crowd? >> i think making an important impression was romney whose decision to come was a surprise. because senator demint is a tea party guy, a conservative. senator demint supported governor romney in 2008 when the massachusetts health care reform plan was passed.
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now he says it's an issue for him. he said it's because it is a different presidential field. governor romney, with governor perry in the race, with michele bachmann's tea party supporters, with the potential entry of sarah palin, needs to reach out beyond the center of the republican party, the moderate conservatives. he needs to get some votes. maybe not a lot, but some votes from the tea party movement. some votes from evangelicals. this is important that romney realizes he needs to broetd broaden the strategy a bit. he comes and instead of sharing the stage with governor perry, a lot of people would have liked the contrast, perry had to go to texas because of wildfires. three debates in the next few weeks for the romney/perry showdown. think romney made an important statement by saying, i will compete outside of what many of you may have thought was my box of voters. >> rick perry seemed to take a swipe at mitt romney's jobs credentials though many of the
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jobs he takes credit for are in low wage jobs. who has the edge -- romney or perry? >> it's a fair fight. it's who makes their case stronger? governor romney has a case that he has private sector experience. knows how to create jobs. knows the dine mimpl where jobs get lost, created, net job creation. governor perry has the experience of being part of the fastest growth of jobs in america in the last couple of years. in which economy it is a significant accomplishment. then there is a tendency in republican primaries for voters to choose sitting governors because of executive experience. you have what i think is a fair fight. if the issue is the economy, these are the ones who can make the best campaign. the best message to the public. >> james? >> i think it's a fascinating
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race. from everything i hear and feel those guys don't care much for each other. that makes for an interesting primary. i know that primaries can be more intense than general elections. i think this will be a very intense fight. romney and perry are different people and that will be apparent. there was a good excuse. the wildfires were devastating in texas. no question. they have three debates coming up. one right on cnn. >> that's correct. >> anderson? >> go ahead, ari. >> i was going to say, i'm in the minority among republican observers. i don't believe there is a republican front runner. every candidate has sufficient strengths and weaknesses. nobody is in first by enough to call them a front runner. it could be governor perry for a moment. for a moment it could be romney. i don't count out michele
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bachmann. there is too much of a rubik's cube nature and nobody has sufficient strength to be what i would call a front runner. >> you see those three as the front runners? ron paul is polling highly but you didn't name him. >> no. that's right. he doesn't have the strength to go beyond his vociferous narrow base. there is a top tier. in it i would put michele bachmann, mitt romney and governor perry. i think there is a way for governor huntsman of utah to prevail because of his appeal to moderates in new hampshire if he runs a smart campaign and if defensives divide possibly he can conquer. there are way too many dynamics at play in the campaign. >> i want to show you something michele bachmann said about how the federal government could save some money. >> areas of government would include -- for instance, i believe the department of
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education because the constitution does not specifically enumerate, nor does it give to the federal government the role and duty to superintend over education. that's historically been held by the parents and by local communities and by state government. >> not surprising. that's been a long held position getting rid of the department of education. what else jumped out at you down there? >> well, look. social issues are important to primary voters, especially evangelical voters. 54% of voters in the republican presidential primary in 2008 describe themselves as evangelicals. you will have debate, questions about eliminating the department of education, about whether you should have a federal constitutional amendment or leave it up to the states whether to outlaw abortion, allow same-sex marriage. those issues will be discussed in a republican primary. there is no way to avoid it and republican voters want to hear the differences laid out. there is a question, anderson, when republicans see the president of the united states, the democratic incumbent as so
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vulnerable. there are those who worry if they get too much national attention the president can say, these guys are too far right or are talking about issues not relevant to the number one, two, three, four challenges in the country which is the economy. important issues to republicans aren't necessarily today. those aren't necessarily the issues. and certainly won't be issues we'll talk about headed into the final stretch. >> stick around. after the break we want to talk about president obama's upcoming jobs proposal. what it may look like and whether republicans will support it. we'll get the angles on that. let us know what you think. we are on facebook. we'll look at mitt romney -- a lot of talk on the trail about his record of job creation when he was in the private sector. how real was that? we have an honest report on that and then to texas where wildfires are burning out of control. [ man ] natural gas vehicles are used somewhere...
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manager, ed rollins, is said to be taking an advisory role. he's joining us on the phone. ed, why are you stepping down? >> anderson, i have been doing this three, four months now. i'm 64 -- 68 years old. you know, i had a stroke a year and a half ago. so, you know, i worked 12, 14-hour days. it's wearing. i have great affection for michele. it was my plan to build a team, get through the straw poll. we won that, and make a transition when we got to the fall when she was coming back to congress. that's what we are today. i have great affection for her. still very much the team i put in place. i just don't have the endurance to go 12, 14 hours a day, seven days a week anymore. >> i think you have more endurance than me. you have been a fighter for a long time.
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>> as long as you have been on this earth i have been doing campaigns. it's tough. it's a young person's game. >> the deputy campaign manager is also stepping down. do you have a comment on why? >> you know, david and i have been a team for a long time. we worked on the huckabee campaign together. his family has recently moved back to houston. i think to a certain extent, you know, he's got two young children. he lived in new york before. just a good time to make a change. once again, how she wants to structure it and who she structures it with will be out of the players who are players but i think david decided because we worked well together that he's worn out, too. >> i don't know if you can say, but how do you think the entrance of rick perry into the race has affected michele bachmann's campaign? has it changed anything? >> oh, sure it has. rick perry is a very serious candidate who steps in.
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we have two serious money people in the sense of mitt romney and him. they do a little cross over. the debates will play a big role. a majority of people don't know who rick perry is outside of texas. we are sort of going after the same voter base. i think to a certain extent it slowed our money down. it took a lot of the momentum we would have gotten out of the straw poll victory. you know, to win the straw poll after eight weeks in the race is unheard of. normally that would have given you a big boost. he steps in the race the same day so there is a lot of attention ton him. this makes it harder, but at the end of the day he's got to prove himself in a tough arena with debates and all the rest of it. she's a good debater. she'll do well over the next six, seven weeks. my sense is, you know, i think legitimately it's a romney,
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perry race with the leaders in the poll leading the money. she's the third candidate at this point in time, i think, which is different and better than we thought when we started this thing. she's very much in this thing. i think the key is to think of it as a marathon. it's a long time before voters cast their votes. she's still strong in iowa. >> there are reports tonight of strategic differences between the deputy campaign manager and michele bachmann which led to him stepping down. true? >> you know, there are always differences in a campaign. david did a superb job. he ran the straw poll. you know, it comes down to time. it comes down to where do you put somebody? iowa, florida, south carolina? there are no strategic differences in terms of what we should be doing or saying. it's how you use your time and resources. nothing any different than any other campaign. >> john king wants to ask a
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question or two. john? >> anderson, ed is an old friend to all of us at cnn. i respect ed's decision. you said it's the right time to do this. many people will say, no, it's the wrong time to do this. you just conceded governor perry changed the dynamic, creates momentum. there is criticism of michele bachmann for silly factual mistakes, confusing elvis's death with his birthday, confusing concord, new hampshire, with concord, massachusetts in the american revolution. but for someone with a new competitor and a history of letting her tongue get ahead of her brain people will see now a campaign staff shake-up, perception can become reality. people will say, another misstep or problem for michele bachmann. will they not? >> they will, but it doesn't matter. i'm not going away. i will be there giving her advice and council. i talked with her today after she did well in your forum you had in south carolina.
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you know, i'm still going to give her counsel. there is a difference between starting at 6:00 a.m. and going to midnight and making every decision in a campaign which may have been my skill set 20 years ago but today my value is giving her advice and counsel. we are going to structure the campaign both from the fund-raising and the political side. but the key thing over the next couple of weeks is how she fights effectively as she has in the past, the whole debt ceiling, budget, those things and how well she does in the debates. >> how much -- >> i will participate in that. >> i'm sorry to interrupt, ed. how much more difficult and how different is a conversation with a republican fund-raiser now as opposed to right after our cnn republican debate or the straw poll where people were saying, hmm, let's give her another look. she had juice and momentum.
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how much more difficult is it now a couple weeks later to raise money when the perception among republican activists is that she stalled a bit? >> as you know, polls go up and down. i have heard you say it and no one understands the game better than you do. at the end of the day here each has their own donor base. governor perry, having raised enormous sums of money has to -- he's a viable candidate. we'll see in the debates whether people like him outside of texas. we don't know that yet. to a certain extent can mrs. bochmann sustain the good debate she's had and over time like mr. huckabee's campaign i chaired. he was barely known and went on to win the iowa caucus. the key is where do you win? we won the straw poll, put a strong organization there in eight weeks. the organization is still there.
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we won the caucuses. we get a ticket out. he has to win somewhere. either against romney in new hampshire or in south carolina. obviously we are going to compete for those places, too, particularly south carolina. >> ed, good to talk to you. i'm sure it's been a busy day for you. let's bring back in ari fleischer and james carville. james, you have been hearing from our friend there. what do you make of it? >> let's give ed credit. he's an honest guy. in politics, people try to make excuses, oh, no, we are doing fine in spite of governor perry getting in. i tend to believe him. he's 68 years old. said he had a stroke a year and a half ago. i think ari can believe that, too. given the pace of the presidential campaign our gut was right. at least health issues contributed to his decision. you never know what else goes on in a campaign. sometimes it takes a long time for the truth to emerge.
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the other thing i noticed is watching the tape of her on television. she's an energetic candidate. she'd be hard to keep up with. she moves around quite a bit. >> ari? >> well, two sides. the human side, the political side. on the human side, people don't realize unless they have worked the presidential or reporters who cover it how grinding and gruelling it is. i have nothing but sympathy for ed rollins. his personal reasons are his personal, human reasons. the thing that made any my eyebrows raise was when he said this is a perry/romney race and michele bachmann is in third. that caught me be surprise. typically you say it is a perry/romney/bachmann race. he took his canada out out. that's is a surprise for somebody who works for michelle bach man to say that. >> he did say people are still making up their minds about things. >> sure. everybody knows that.
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but it was the statement he made that's it's a perry, romney race and michele bachmann is in third. that's surprising to hear somebody say that works for a candidate. >> good to have you on. next, texas on fire. have you seen the images? wildfires burning across the state fuelled by winds and drought conditions. no relief in sight. one man forced to evacuate. you can smell the earth burning. pe we eel take you there. and lee may not be a tropical storm but continues to wreak havoc on the south. heavy winds, possibly tornadoes in georgia. ♪ i just want to be okay ♪ be okay, be okay ♪ i just want to be okay today - ♪ i just want to know today - [ whistles ] ♪ know today, know today - [ cat meows ] - ♪ know that maybe i will be okay ♪ [ chimes ] travelers can help you protect the things you care about... and save money with multi-policy discounts. are you getting the coverage you need... and the discounts you deserve? for an agent or quote, call 800-my-coverage...
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it's a monster and it is 0% contained. that's how a spokeswoman for the texas forest service described a wildfire burning near austin. the fire, one of dozens scorching texas has burned 25,000 acres, destroyed 500 homes so far. 5,000 people were forced to evacuate.
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texas is in the middle of a historic drought and could use the rains that fell on louisiana and mississippi from tropical depression lee. unfortunately winds from the storm have fanned the flames burning in texas. tonight firefighters are battling in dangerous and fast moving fire north of houston. cnn affiliate kprc said it's burned 1,000 acres and threatened a number of homes. people have been evacuated. so far no reports of injuries. a fire in the eastern part of the state kill add woman and her 18-month-old child yesterday. we are joined on the phone from mary kay hicks from the texas forest service. have you ever seen anything like this in texas? >> i have not. i have been here 18 years. this is one of the things that you trained for and you worry about for years. you hope it never happens. but all the pieces of the puzzle came into place in a bad way this weekend. >> to hear 0% contained, is that the case? have you made any progress?
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>> you know, there are so many fires going on in the state. they are making progress on some of them. some of them, they are not calling contained at all. they cannot get around them. the winds haven't died down. >> yesterday we talked about a mom and her baby were killed. they refused ordered to leave. are people taking the warnings seriously? >> you know, yesterday i was on fires and i talked to a lady. she said this is all she had, she wasn't leaving. you know, it's a house. it's just a house. we encourage people -- that's our number one goal is to protect firefighters first, volunteers that are out here. you know, fight the fires and protect property. but mainly lives. you can replace everything else. >> i don't think people realize how quickly the fires can jump from one area to the next and how fast they can move. >> yeah. these fires are like rolling because of the extreme drought. the trees, all the fuel and everything out there may look sort of green but it's not.
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it's like firewood standing there. this fire is just rolling over it. it's just unbelievable. sounds like a locomotive. >> is there something people can do so they don't start other fires? >> you know, that's the horrible thing. this last couple of days we have seen people dragging chains and we have seen people pulling barbecue pits that have embers coming out. you know, we have to get the word out that there is so much you can do. most fires in texas are caused by people. >> at this point, how are you battling all this? >> mostly from the air. you know, they get the ground resources behind it. mostly we have water, retardant and anything from the air is better than on the ground because it's safer. >> the work the men and women are doing is extraordinary. i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. good luck. if lee made land fall near texas it would be a different story.
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>> severe flooding from the remnants of the tropical storm lee, as you spoke about, is blamed for at least one death in mississippi. and a teenage boy is missing off the coast of alabama. the water is waist deep in parts of louisiana and mississippi. and the storm may have spawned tornadoes near atlanta, four of them. officials say more than 100 homes were damaged because of it. out in the atlantic, hurricane katia was upgraded today to a powerful category three storm with maximum sustained winds of 115 miles per hour. forecasters do not believe katia will strike the east coast of the u.s. the postal service may default on a payment to a retiree fund. under the law it must contribute $5.5 billion to a health care trust fund by september 30th. if it defaults a spokeswoman said there would be no interruption in mail service. and the black widow strikes again. sonia thomas is her name. the woman in red, all 100 pounds
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crime and punishment in aruba. the search for a missing american woman is focused on the grainy security video of a car. authorities are looking for the driver of a white hyundai caught driving behind the restaurant where robin gardner was last seen with gary giordano. the driver of the car may have seen the couple snorkeling in the area. giordano has been behind bars for a month now. he said she was swept out to
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sea. a judge ordered he can be held for 60 days. he has a hearing set for wednesday. martin savidge joins us now. authorities released a photo of the white car hoping for new information about the driver. why is that so significant? >> reporter: there are two interesting things. where it was taken and when it was taken. hard to tell where the car is. it's a hyundai getz. most americans haven't heard of it. very popular with the rental cars and on the island. it was photographed behind the restaurant where robin and gary had their last meal august 2nd in the exact area where giordano said they were. one minute before 6:00 exactly when gary said they were back
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there snorkeling. here is the premise. now this shot shows that there was somebody else there. somebody else who could confirm that maybe he saw robin and gary in the water snorkeling, or not, or that they saw the car there, or not, or that giordano is telling the truth or not which is why authorities want to find the driver. here's the problem. they don't see a license plate. they don't know if it is a local, a tourist. they are putting out this photo asking if you are out there, mr. driver, please contact authorities. they desperately want to hear from you. >> and the attorney for giordano filed an appeal last week keeping him behind bars for 60 days. how likely is it that he can get out? >> well, you know, if i were a betting man i would say the odds aren't high he'll be released. the reality is you probably shouldn't try to guess what three judges will do.
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that's what he's up against. giordano will be at the hearing at 11:00 in the morning. his attorney will say, look, there is a proof that he committed a crime. he was only a witness to a horrible accident. you can bet the prosecution will argue something different but either way the judges will make a decision on that day. they could if it goes in gary's favor rule that he go home and be free on that day, a day and a half from now. >> i want to bring in mark garagos from los angeles. laws are different there than here. do you think the police have enough to keep him in jail another 60 days? >> if it were in the u.s., no. there, they have a little bit more lax idea of what happens prefiling. so they may survive although i would not be surprised if they ordered him released. at this point, they have two problems. number one, was there even a crime. number two, did he have anything
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to do with it if there was a crime and at least iteems to me as an outside observer speculating that they come up short on both counts. >> it seems stuff is sir couple stan shall. >> somebody disappeared. it appears it could have been at worst or at best, i suppose, depending how you look at it, an accident. is that enough to hold somebody for months and months? certainly wouldn't happen in america. that's one of the reasons you travel with a little bit of hesitation, i suppose. >> it does raise suspicion, mark, when apparently he had a travel insurance policy put out in her name. she must have cooperated according to the reporting for martin savage but he was the beneficiary according to authorities of her travel insurance policy. >> anderson, i hear this.
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if you look at the archives on missing white women it is always a default that there is an insurance policy or someone alleges that. i take it with a grain of salt. i have been involved in cases where that wasn't the case. sometimes they charge it to your card and you designate who you are with. i never give that any great moment in terms of a financial motive. and if there was insurance, who is to say that this wasn't an accident. so far they don't have anything other than just suspicion. i don't think that's enough. >> martin, i was surprised to learn that today the body of a middle-aged man was found floating by people in a yacht around ary aruba. it doesn't seem related to robin gardner. what are people saying about the
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fact that a body was found floating? >> we were shocked. all we heard was the report of a body found in the water. we initially thought it could be something pertaining to the gardner case. it's a tragedy of a local man who went swimming and drowned. this points out and the locals affirm that the mystery of her disappearance. they say if you drown on the island you are found on the island. she's been missing since august 2. not a trace of her. today is one month seance dparry giordano was arrested at the airport trying to board a plane back to the u.s. >> i appreciate your time. up next, amanda knox returns to an italian courtroom to appeal the conviction on murdering her roomma roommate. italian police responded today. and the crisis in somalia is getting worse.
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the group al shabaab delayed and even stopped the flow of food to smol y somalians. they have outlawed inoculations of kids. here's what we saw in a poorly equipped hospital for kids. many kids are able to bounce back with quick intervention. they gain weight day after day. for others, however, malnutrition is too far along. we were introduced to abdullah hassan who lost his daughter and now his 18-month-old son is sick as well. you must be worried about your child. how long has your child been sick? [ speaking in a foreign language ] >> for six months he's been ill, but as the famine tightened around us, no one has been able to help us. we came here and now we are just hopeful. in the corner of the room
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mohamed and his wife sit in silence. between them we notice a small pile of cloth. it turns out it's covering the body of their son. his name was ali. he was just 1 year old. >> he came from al shabaab. it was so difficult to get out. it took them so long that bay bi the time they arrived there was nothing anyone could do for him. he died two hours ago. >> this child has just died? >> yeah. >> what will they do with him now? >> they don't have enough money to bury him. so they are sitting here, hoping someone will come and in this situation no one has money. they hope that together people try to put money in together when things like this happen and they can raise the funds. otherwise they have no means of burying him. >> we helped that family bury their child but so many are in need. 750,000 according to the u.n. in imminent -- facing imminent starvation now. when we were in somalia with you, mogadishu was part of the
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famine zone. it is now spread further and the u.n. is saying it doesn't have the money it needs. >> this is something we kept coming back to again and again. you are two months into a u.n. call for assistance. they want a billion dollars from the entire donor community and they still don't have the money. and the funds that are in place, frankly when you are talking about the world's largest economies are embarrassing. the u.s. has given just under $90 million. the uk has given $83 million. down here you have someone like france which has given only $6 million. you are talking about the fact that during two months while the finish funds haven't been fully raised tens of thousands of people have died. aid workers say hundreds are dying every day. half of those that have died already are children. >> and this is a significant time in somalia because of the harvest season.
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this is when -- is this the planting time? >> yeah. we are actually coming into the rainy season in october. they are quite hopeful that this rainy season might be better. you saw them. so weak, so devastated that the aid agencies are worried if they can't feed them they can't plant. then they can't harvest and we will be in the same situation this time next year. >> some countries don't want to give money because of al shabaab, the terrorist group in somalia. they don't allow aid into if a anyone-struck area. they have outlawed inoculations. is that a legitimate concern? >> i don't think so. the red cross is one of the few aid organizations, in fact, the only aid organizations in terms of the scale of the areas they have been given access to. they are trying to feed 1.1 million people. they haven't managed to raise the over 155 million dollars
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they need. when donor countries say that you say, why haven't you given to the red cross? a lot of people are going into camps in kenya that have always been recruitment grounds for al shabaab and now they are hugely unpopular because they haven't allowed in foreign aid. even just from a perspective of national interest when people sit desperate and dying in camps and they feel the world has forgotten them, you know, they will start looking around and think, well, maybe the west doesn't care about us. you are going to see the militancy and radicalization starting up all over again, anderson. >> i appreciate it. thank you very much. many of you asked how to help the victims of the famine. find a list of organizations at cnn.com/impact. there is more happening tonight. susan hendricks has a quick update. >> the international committee of the red cross has been granted access to a detention facility in syria for the first time since the political uprising began there in
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february. meanwhile, human rights groups say security forces killed six people today and 70 people were arrested when dozens of homes were raided. cnn cannot independently confirm the reports. pakistan's military says the senior al qaeda leader who wanted to attack targets in the u.s. and europe and australia has been arrested. a u.s. official says that arrest is a major blow to the terrorist groups. in a courtroom in italy amanda knox's appeal case continued today after a summer break. i tall dwran prosecutors are defending the dna testing that linked the american student to the killing of her british roommate in 2007. amanda knox's defense team is arguing that dna evidence used in her original trial isn't conclusive. it's official. after weeks of rumors, the wife of french president nicolas sarkozy confirmed she's pregnant. she's vowing to keep the child out of the spotlight. she said, i know it will be difficult but i will do whatever it takes.
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time now for the ridiculist. tonight with great trepidation lest i break out giggling again, i have to talk and gerard depardieu. he made the list because while aboard a plane in paris his fly reached a dangerously low altitude in that he unzipped and paid in the cabin. there is no video of the event. seriously, i walk down the street and get cell phone cameraed all the time. this guy urinates on a plane and no one whips out the cell phone camera? the publicity has slowed to a mere trickle. oh, you got it. good. now gerard depardieu is back because he made a parody video.
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how seriously can you take yourself while a stream of your pea meanders through business class? this guy is an academy award nominated actor. i'm sure the film will be great. noo answered and subtle. >> ladies and gentlemen, replace your tray in the uh right position. [ speaking french ] >> okay. so it's in french. we'll probably get the gist of it. let's see some more. [ speaking french ] >> all right. let's stop right there. i don't care what they are saying. i have some important questions that need answers immediately. one, can someone tell me why he's wearing -- is that a viking helmet?
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so he's a viking from the neck up and tweedle dee from the neck down? what's he going for with the braids? is this an alice in wonderland, p pee-pee longstocking thing. where is jerry louis when we need him? let's pull a depardieu and give it one more go. [ speaking french ] >> i'm told the costumes are a reference to the movie he's making now based on a french comic book series i have seen but never read because i'm not french. we had the video translated. it was a thing that he wanted to eat wild boar but the attendant said he had to wait. i applaud the effort but there was a big missed opportunity here. come on, gerard, you are an actor.
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jacob's bladder, eat, spray, love. the possibilities are endless. golden globe or not, after this video i prefer the reenactment the conan o'brien job did performed by peanuts. >> at this point witnesses say depardieu got out of the seat, unzipped his fly and your be gan to urinate on the carpet. the flight was cancelled and the plane was taken back to the gate where depardieu was removed from the flight. >> see, that's how you do a reenactment of an actor relieving himself on the plane. you will always be number one on the ridiculist. thanks for watching. see you at 10:00 p.m. eastern on "360." up next, piers morgani

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