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process of unloading the cargo won't be too different than if it were sitting alongside a dock, although we'll be doing it in 5 kilometers depth. >> they hope to bring that cargo to the surface next spring. >> if your choose the news choice did not win or you want to check out the runners up, we'll have links to them on our facebook page. the "cnn newsroom" continues right now with randi kaye, live for us from los angeles. randi? >> reporter: hi, there, fred. thank you. as the prosecution builds its case against michael jackson's live-in physician, it's not just focusing on what conrad murray did or didn't do before jackson died, but what he did or didn't do afterward. so today, we expect to hear from jackson's personal assistant on dr. murray's response to finding jackson lifeless on june 25th, 2009, after a long and sleepless night. as you know, if you've been
watching cnn, murray's accused of causing jackson's death by giving him a surgical anesthetic to treat insomnia. the defense says murray was trying to wean jackson off the anesthetic, but jackson was his own worst enemy. first on the stand this morning was the head of the production company that was staging jackson's upcoming concert series in london. prosecutors want to show that jackson was up to the challenge of performing. >> what was your overall impression of mr. jackson's performance at rehearsal on june 23rd, 2009? >> i thought he was strong. >> did mr. jackson appear to be excited and full of energy when he was performing? >> yes, yes, he did. >> yesterday we heard a lot about the pressures of preparing for 50 concerts when the original plan was 10. we also heard from jackson, like we'd never heard him before. once again, michael jackson had
the world's attention. this time, though, he was wasted, slurring his words. listen to this recording by jackson's personal physician, dr. conrad murray, made six weeks before his death. >> when people leave my show, i want them to say, i've never seen nothing like this in my life. >> prosecutor david wallgren says that jackson was drugged up and dr. murray was not only aware of his addiction, but continued to the feed it, by supplying and administering drugs that eventually killed the pop star. >> it was dr. murray's repeated incompetent and unskilled acts that led to mr. jackson's death on june 25th, 2009. >> reporter: prosecutors continue to hammer murray's so-called gross negligence, leaving the room while jackson was hooked up to a propofol iv,
calling the pop star's bodyguard when he stopped breathing instead of 911, and urging him to hide the drugs and vials in the room. and this bombshell -- prosecutor wallgren told the jury, as paramedics fought to save jackson's life, dr. murray held back a critical piece of information, that he had given michael jackson propofol, the powerful anesthetic. >> they were told lorazepam and conrad murray never once mentioned the administration of propofol. >> reporter: then it was defense attorney ed chernoff's turn. he said there was nothing that the dr. murray could have done to prevent jackson's death, because jackson died at his own hand, taking more propofol without murray's knowing. >> michael jackson swallowed up to eight pills on his own, without telling his doctor, without permission from his doctor. and when dr. murray gave him the 25 milligrams and dr. murray left the room, michael jackson
self-administered a dose, an additional dose of propofol. and it killed him. and it killed him like that, and there was no way to save him. >> reporter: as conrad murray listened, he wiped away tears. the defense portrayed him as a good doctor, a friend to michael jackson, a friend trying to wean him off propofol. >> the evidence is not going to show you that michael jackson died when dr. murray gave him propofol for sleep. what the evidence is going to show you is that michael jackson died when dr. murray stopped. >> reporter: leaving michael jackson, according to the defense, to take the drug himself. later in the day, prosecutors called their first witness, kenny ortega, the director and choreographer behind jackson's "this is it" tour. prosecutors attempted to establish jackson appeared in good health. they played this rehearsal clip in court.
♪ >> what was his demeanor? what was his condition on tuesday, june 23rd? >> he entered into rehearsal full of energy, full of desire to work. full of enthusiasm and it was a different michael. >> reporter: two days later, michael jackson was dead. joining me now to make sense of what we've heard in court today is ellen garofalo, a defense attorney from one of l.a.'s biggest firm. ellen, thanks for coming on the show. i want to ask you first, what do you make of the prosecution's case so far? all right. it doesn't seem like ellen can
hear me very well there, so we'll get her hooked up and fix that for you. in the meantime, let's take a look at some other big stories that are developing right now, shall we? oh, no, let's try again one more time. ellen? ellen, do you hear me? >> i hear you now. i didn't hear you before. >> ellen? >> yes, i hear you now. >> ellen, can you hear -- all right. i'm going to go on to some other news and we'll get that fixed up. let's take a look at some other stories that are developing right now. the head of immigration and customs enforcement for south florida has been arrested on child pornography charges. the justice department says that anthony mangione is charged with transportation of child porn, receipt of child porn, and possession of child porn. if convicted, he could face up to 20 years in prison. man man
mangione has reportedly been leave from his job at i.c.e. the deadliest break of a food-born outbreak in more than a decade. at least 72 people have become sick from eating tainted cantaloupes. the deaths and illnesses have been reported in 18 states from california to maryland. investigators say the source of the outbreak appears to be jensen pharmacy in the rocky ford region of colorado. the cdc says listeria can cause fever, muscle aches, diarrhea, and other gastrointestinal symptoms. an alleged s.a.t. cheating scam uncovered on long island. the nassau county district attorney's office says 19-year-old sam eshagoff was paid as much as $2,500 to take the college entrance exam for six students at great neck north high school. he faces felony fraud charges and could face up to four years in prison if convicted. the six students accused of paying him to take the test are all minors and face misdemeanor charges. the d.a.'s office says rumors about the alleged cheating led to an investigation and found the six students' s.a.t. scores were much better than their
grade point averages. authorities are looking into whether other schools and more students might even be involved. all this week, cnn is taking an in-depth look at why our government is so broken. and according to a new cnn/orc poll, the number of american who is trust washington is at an all-time low, just 15% trust the government in washington. that's down from 73% back in 1958. and when asked how often can you trust the government in washington, take a look here. 77% said only some of the time. 8% say never. just 2% say just about always. all right. we are going to return to the conrad murray trial next, and the defense says their client did not give michael jackson the fatal dose of propofol. they say that he actually drank it himself, along with at least eight other pills. do they have a case? dr. sanjay gupta joins us next.
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that's personal pricing. . the defense's argument in the conrad murray trial centers on two specific drugs that when mixed, they say, created a perfect storm that actually killed michael jackson. those two drugs, propofol and lorazepam. murray's attorneys contend jackson drank the propofol the night that he died and swallowed along with it eight pills of the sedative lorazepam, both without dr. murray's knowledge, his personal physician. the prosecution, meanwhile, insists that it was murray who recklessly administered jackson a lethal dose of propofol, and that and that alone is what killed him. joining me now to discuss this case, cnn's chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. so this is really something. we have so much to talk about. but, really, i mean, the autopsy
said that he died from acute propofol intoxication. and then you hear what the defense is now trying to say, that maybe he might have drank this. >> right. >> so what do you make of it? >> well, first of all, one thing about propofol, as you've heard now, it enters the body quickly and leaves the body quickly. and that makes it very hard to test for after some time has passed, even a short amount of time has passed. so making the diagnosis of acute propofol intoxication is hard. you can test hair, you can test other tissues to see if propofol was in the body, but it's hard to figure out exactly how much at any given time. what they're sort of focusing on now is they said there was some isn't the stomach. when you drink propofol, it's very different than injecting it in your bloodstream, as you might imagine. it takes longer for it to absorb and the impact overall is going to be less than injecting it directly. but if you combine it with other sedatives, which we do in the hospital, by the way, all the time, but it's usually when a patient has a breathing tube in and is monitored, but we do
combine it with other things, it does have a synergistic effect, it can start making a person's breathing capability go down. >> so let's say he did take these eight pills of lorazepam. >> a drug known as ativan. if i gave you one or two milligrams, you'd be asleep for probably the next 11 hours, roughly. it's a powerful thing, and they're talking about eight two-milligram tablets, they say. it is a lot. now, again, why he would have that much, or why -- if he took it himself or if dr. murray gave it to him, but it's a lot for any given individual. and then adding, again, the propofol, you're sort of giving it that synergistic effect. >> right. and then there's also the suggestion, with certainly from the prosecution that the paramedics said that they had found demerol in his system as well. and dr. murray and defense have said, they didn't know he was on demerol. what kind of combination would that be? the demerol and the propofol. >> the ativan is an anti-anxiety
medication. propofol is a medication used for general anesthesia. demerol is a pain medication, a narcotic, similar to morphine. the thing about demerol and ativan is they're going to have slightly longer half-lives than propofol. propofol is in and out, for sure. but unless he'd been taken demerol over the last few days, it would be unlikely to still be in his bloodstream. so if this was something they found in his blood, he was taking, and if dr. murray tdidnt know about that, that's a pertinent effect. and when someone is coming off of demerol, one of the side effects is insomnia. people have an incredibly hard time sleeping when they're coming off demerol. this is something we're hearing from the defense as well. this isn't just a guy who had trouble sleeping every now and then, he just could not fall asleep at all, and they were sort of pointing to the fact that maybe it was this demerol that was exacerbating that. >> right. and we know that dr. murray did leave the room. what's unclear, really, is for how long a period of time. how risky is that? i mean, you've worked with
propofol in the hospital. to leave someone unattended. >> it is incredibly risky. and i think that's one point where it seems that everybody seems to agree, doctors, certainly the anesthesiologists, you just don't do that. first of all, doing it outside the hospital, doing it outside an intensive care unit or o.r. is very unusual. i hadn't heard of that happening. so in the first place, that's unusual. second of all, you want to have lots of monitoring equipment, you know, measuring someone's oxygenization, having breathing tubes on standby, a rhes resuscitation system, a defibrillat defibrillator, all of that standing by in case there's a problem. but the key is someone has to be monitoring the patient. it's basic sedation 101, the first thing we're taught if you're ever giving medication like this. even two minutes, you saw the piece yesterday we had, you see how quickly this stuff works. two minutes is a very long time in a situation like this. >> sanjay, thanks for coming out. hopefully we'll come out -- hopefully that jackhammer will
stop. i tried to call it off, but unfortunately, it's continuing. sanjay, thanks. and be sure to more of dr. gupta's analysis of the conrad murray trial this saturday and sunday morning 7:30 eastern right here on cnn. cleared of rape, but still listed as a sex offender. one man's uphill battle after 2 yea 7 years in prison. [ male announcer ] if you're only brushing, add listerine® total care for more complete oral care. ♪ it works in six different ways to restore enamel... strengthen teeth... freshen breath... help prevent cavities... and kill bad breath germs for a whole mouth clean. so go beyond the brush with listerine® total care, the most complete mouthwash. now get all the benefits... without the alcohol. new listerine® total care zero.
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we've been watching, keeping a very close eye here on the conrad murray trial in the case in the death of michael jackson. and joining me now to make sense of what we've heard so far in court today and yesterday sellen garofalo, a defense attorney from one of l.a.'s biggest firms. ellen, thank you for coming on
the show. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk first about what you make of the prosecution's case so far. they're talking quite a bit about propofol, really trying to make dr. murray look as though he's an incompetent doctor. >> i think the prosecution so far has been very successful in focusing their case on the key issue, whether michael jackson would be alive, but for what conrad murray did or did not do on the night of the 25th of june, and whether the use of propofol itself, in a home s setting is reckless to the extent that it becomes criminal conduct. the prosecution has been very good about keeping their witnesses and their evidence so far focused on those important issues. and not becoming distracted by a lot of the more circus elements around michael jackson. >> they've spent a lot of time, both yesterday and today, looking at the rehearsals for the big "this is it" show and the concert tour coming up.
why is it so important to the prosecution to show that michael jackson was doing well and actually strong and vivacious in those final days? >> well, the prosecution, and both sides are sort of arguing in some ways across purposes. the prosecution is trying to show that michael jackson was fine, he was functioning, and but for what conrad murray did on the night of the 26th, michael jackson would still be alive. that conrad murray's conduct was reckless and resulted in the death. none of these other issues, the drug addiction, the alleged drug addiction, his physical condition, contributed significantly to the death, that the death can be pinned on conrad murray's conduct alone. >> so if you were ed chernoff, conrad murray's defense attorney, what would be your greatest concern at this point given what we've heard so far? >> i think the greatest concern in this case is simply getting beyond the idea that administering propofol in a home
setting without the proper monitoring equipment and without the proper -- >> what about the attempts, though, to cover-up and deceive that the prosecution was saying? not telling the paramedics that he had given michael jackson propofol, i mean, not being forthcoming about that? >> it shows consciousness of guilt, but it doesn't really g to the death itself. because michael jackson, from all reports, was dead almost instantly. by time conrad murray came back into the room. so now the question is, does covering up, does hiding drugs, does failing to make full disclosure show conrad murray knew he did something he shouldn't have done and knew he was responsible for the death. and it's important evidence in that it shows consciousness by conrad murray that something was wrong, that he should have behaved differently. >> all right. ellynn garofalo, thank you so much. we'll let you get back to watching the proceedings and we'll talk to you next hour. so what do fbi agents in swimsuits and richard nixon have
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prison because of mistaken identity? thomas haynesworth has actually been asking that question for a very long time. his incredible story is one that we believe has been under covered in the media. as an 18-year-old, haynesworth was convicted of three rapes in richmond, virginia, and sentenced to 84 years in prison. he was paroled in march after dna proved that he did not commit two of the rapes. there was no dna from the third case, but both haynesworth's lawyers and prosecutors agree that circumstantial evidence supports his claim of innocence and implicates a serial rapist now in prison. but haynesworth is still a registered sex offender and with support of prosecutors and the state's attorney general, he is seeking full exoneration. there appear to be no argument against this step, until july, when the virginia court of appeals stepped in and called for additional information. the hearing was yesterday. thomas haynesworth joins us now from richmond. thank you so much for coming on the show, thomas.
i'm so sorry to hear what you've been going through, but first, tell me, how did the hearing go and when do you expect a ruling? >> the hearing was yesterday, it was a ten-panel judge, they hear the case for about 15 minutes, and so far for the decision, we don't know when it will be made. >> you have no idea when it will be ready? >> they say it takes like nine days, a couple weeks, so it might take a couple months, so we have no idea. >> so how did you caught up, tell us, in this case of mistaken identity? just briefly, give us the main details. >> well, you know, sunday mornings, i was on my way to the store, and later she said she seen a person that kind of fit the description, and i was on my way to the store and the police stopped me, and they say i fit the description. and then when they got the lady, she looked at me and she came back and said i was the one. from there, i got arrested. >> what was it like for you, all
those years, all those decades in prison, knowing that you were innocent? >> it was hard, difficult, you know? you're in prison for something you ain't do for 27 years. i try to tell everybody i'm innocent, but nobody believe me. so the idea is to take it upon myself in the law library, study the case, any case i could look at and get information from there to put in my case. write to the innocent project, everybody i could get on board to believe me, you know, and fortunately they came through for me. >> are you angry? >> well, you know, i'm not really angry. i just am kind of frustrated that 27 years i missed out, the things that i missed out on in life, you know? not a place to put yourself in. kind of frustrating. it does hurt, though, being in a place you know you shouldn't be, because of something you didn't do. it kind of hurts. >> yeah. and i know, obviously, you're still waiting for this
exoneration. we know that's so important for you, but you're also trying to get your life together. off new job. tell me about that. >> yeah, i've got a new job with the attorney general, you know, working in the mayor room, you know, of a technician. you know, it's very good, you know, everybody that supported me, in the attorney general office, you know, everybody has been uplifting me and carrying me to stay strong and gather a whole group of supportive people. >> all right. thomas haynesworth, be sure to keep us up to date on your case. we'll be tracking it along with you, because as we said, we think it's been pretty undercovered in the media. so we'll keep an eye on it. thank you. >> thank you. and now a manhunt that's spanned three continents and four decades is over. he once forced fbi agents to deliver ransom money in -- get this -- only their bathing suits, he was arrested in portugal monday. cnn's deborah feyerick joins me now with this story.
deb, this sounds like an international crime novel here. how did they catch wright, after all these years? >> you know, it was so interesting. u.s. marshals started tracking george wright about a decade ago. they, you know, blew the dust off the case, they finally got the lead that they needed. portuguese authorities mondayed arrested george wright in central portugal, a charming tourist town just outside lisbon. wright had apparently married a portuguese woman and with their two kids he was living there and working as a painter under the alias jose louise jorge desanta. he was accused of taking part of one the most brazen hijackings. he and three others boarded a miami-bound delta flight smuggling a gun inside a hallowed out bible. they ordered fbi agents to deliver $1 million cash, the most ever paid in ransom, for the safe release of about 80 passengers. and the agents had to do it
while they were wearing bathing suits. you can kind of see there, so that the hijackers could see they were unarmed. now, the plane left more boston, refueled, and then flew to algeria, where the hijackers were briefly detained and then set free. the group taken in by american writer and black panther activist eldridge cleaver. wright had been in prison earlier for robbing a world war ii veteran while robbing a new jersey gas station. and he escaped from prison using the warden's car. he'd been serving a 15-30 year sentence, which he will likely have to complete. he's also facing air piracy charges. right now, though, he's facting extradition. >> so, deb, the fbi just never gave up? after being told to dress in bathing suits, they weren't going to let this one go. >> that's exactly right. and they had their office in portugal working on this as well, and they just really couldn't. you have those images of these fbi agents standing on the tarmac with $1 million in cash in their bathing suits.
it is about half past the hour. here's a look at some of the stories that you may have missed happening today. the head of immigration and customs enforcement for south florida has been arrested on child pornography charges. the justice department says that anthony mangione is charged with transportation of child porn, receipt of child porn, and possession of child porn. if convicted, he could face up to 20 years in prison. the state of florida's latest move regarding primary elections just might throw the republican nominating calendar through a loop. the sunshine state is expected to hold its presidential primary at the end of january, 2012, which would, in turn, move the gop nominating process a full
month earlier than planned. florida house speaker dean canon tells cnn that a state commission exploring the option will likely choose january 31st to hold the nominating contest. the united states may soon designate the hakani network as a foreign terrorist organization. the group, which has been linked to al qaeda, is considered to be a major threat against u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan after several attacks against u.s. forces as well as afghan civilians. the move has been widely anticipated with one official telling cnn the designation should happen, quote, fairly soon. all right. well, you might think your job is tough. take a look at this live picture. imagine having to repel down the washington monument! whoa! check it out. these are from washington. a live picture, as i said. engineers are repelling down the monument today to check for damage from last month's earthquake. originally, they were scheduled to do the inspections tuesday, but postponed it until today, citing some bad weather. man, just look at that.
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president obama is set to deliver his third annual back-to-school speech at benjamin banneker academic high school in washington. this is a live picture as they're getting ready for him there. in the past, the president encouraged students to take responsibility for their education by setting goals and leaving in themselves. the speech is being televised live to schools across the country and is also being carried, where else, online. our brianna keilar joins us live from the white house. so, brianna, what do we expect to hear from the president today? >> reporter: you're expecting, randi, to hear a lot more of the encouragement that you've heard in past year. i've read the speech, which has been controversial in past year, because of the way in 2009 it was rolled out by the department of education and you ended up having some parents who protested and said they didn't want their kids to have to watch this speech broadcast live in classrooms. but i've read the speech, it's not a partisan speech. it sort of frames student achievement as patriotic, saying, you are the future of the country and you have to live
up to that responsibility. he'll be encouraging students to work hard, to try different things, to ask questions and be curious. and that, he will tell them, will lead to things like inventing a device that will make the ipad look like a stone tablet, he says, at one point in his remarks. he's also expected to say, perhaps you will able to invent something to you can power an entire city with wind and the sun. i will say that plug for renewable energy may be the closest thing to any sort of a policy pitch he gives. and also, of course, he'll be encouraging students to graduate, not only high school, but also to move on to college and to finish through college. and he'll have a message of kind of just keeping at it. you toedon't always have to get straight as, but keep at it, plug along, pay attention and really try to, you know, achieve everything that you can and do your best. randi? >> that doesn't sound like a bad message. but, still, are some schools
purposefully not showing in back-to-school message from the president? >> some schools will not show it. of course, as i mentioned, not as controversial as it was in 2009, but the controversy stems back to that year, the first year that president obama did this. and the controversy wasn't his message, because it was ant partisan message in his speech, but it was the rollout. the department of education really publicized this address, encouraged schools to run it. they also, randi, put out proposed lesson plans that teachers could do. and there was one in particular which was an assignment, a proposed assignment of having students write letters to themselves about how they could help the president. well, that didn't sit well with some critics of president obama's, so that's where you had teachers or parents calling into school districts, saying they didn't want their students to have to sit through this. i did speak to a spokeswoman for collier county schools in florida, one of the districts that has never run his remarks, and again is making that choice this year. they say they will give teachers the opportunity to show it at a later date and they won't be
broadcasting it live and the reason is because they did have objections from parents in past years, randi. >> all right. brianna keilar at the white house. brianna, thank you very much. coming up, have you heard this? i'm not ready to run. that is what chris christie has said time and time again, but if he changes his mind, is it too little, too late? it is fair game and it is next. [ boy ] hey, i thought these were electric? uh, it is, yeah, it's a chevy volt. so what are you doing at a gas station? well it still takes gas to go farther.
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token, that heartfelt message you gave me is also not a reason for me to do it. that reason has to reside inside me. >> how many times does a guy have to say no? it's time for fair game, where we go beyond the rumors and the talking points to the heart of politics. last night in california, new jersey republican governor chris christie again said he is just not ready to make a bid for the white house. he even directed supporters to check out a two-minute video online, highlighting moments like this. >> there are lots of people who will run just because the opportunity presents itself. and i'm not stupid. i see the opportunity. i see it. that's not the reason to run. and i think all too often, that's why people do run. it's just because they see the opportunity. oh, well, will i ever get this opportunity again? let's go! that's not a reason to be president of the united states.
you have to believe in your heart and in your soul and in your mind that you are ready, and i don't believe that about myself right now. so that's why i've said i won't run. and you know, i can't imagine that changing. >> but rumors of christie 2012, well, they sure do remain. let's bring in my guest today, cnn contributor will kaine, democratic political consultant ed espinosa, and president of the network of enlightened women, karening agnes. let's start with the obvious -- and my apologies for this jam hammering behind me. i hope you can all hear me okay. that's what happens when you do the show live from the streets of los angeles. but first, should we believe that chris christie is really not running? will, let me start with you. >> you know, randi, intrade, which is a site that allows people to bet on future events predicts that christie has about a 12% chance to get into trace. to put that into context, that's less than the likelihood that
sarah palin will get in. but i have to say, for such a blunt, straight-spoken guy, yesterday's speech in california, i don't think he gave such a blunt, straight-spoken denial of his wish to run. but i didn't hear no. >> i didn't hear no either. karen, what do you think? is it too late for him to enter? >> no, it's not too late for him to enter, but he's got to make the decision in the next month. because the florida primary, he's got to register by the end of october. but i think will's right. for a guy who speaks so forcefully and has a reputation for being a straight talker, he wasn't quite so straight last night. >> ed, one thing that he was saying last night, he might not have been saying no, but he certainly was going after president obama a bit. basically painting him as a bystander in the oval office and really painting him as not much of a leader. what do you make of that and that activity when he's not even a gop candidate? >> yeah, i think it's really
ironic that the guy who hasn't been in office that long makes good speeches is suddenly finding himself attacking the president for the same thing that we've attacked -- that the republicans have attacked him for for so long. let me go back to whether or not he's going to run. he's said he's not going to run over and over again. he actually doesn't have a month, he has a month to get on the plat. he has to get in this race -- if he got in this race today, he would have 33 days to build an organization, get staff, and get on the ballot in florida, new hampshire, south carolina, and half a dozen other states. he just doesn't have enough time to run in this primary. a better shot would be for him to run as an independent in the general election. he can sidestep the tea party, and he'll have time to build an organization. >> let me just share with our viewers a little bit of who chris christie really is, just in case everybody isn't as familiar with him as all of you. he's only been governor there in new jersey for only a little over a year and a half. before that, he was the u.s.
attorney for new jersey. he had a pretty good law and order record there. he was in local politics at the county level for a few years before that. will, what would you say when you look at chris christie? what is his appeal? why do so many people want him to run? >> let me say first why people might not want him to run, randi? he is not a conservative savior. for those who want purity, and by that, i don't mean logical purity, i mean populous, base-serving purity, he's not that. he's pretty open to immigration. he says being in this country without documentation is not a crime. on the flip side, randi, he is a staunch fiscal conservative. he stood up to public employee unions. and i see a logical consistency to individual freedom and liberty, and i see a guy who can articulate that, without pandering. that's what gets me excited about chris christie. >> and karen, if he does jump in, who does he hurt, who does he help, do you think? >> i think, actually, he's going
to hurt governor perry. i think there's a fair number of people who have jumped on the governor perry bandwagon, because they see him as a tough candidate who's going to be tough on fiscal issues and really come out and say what he means. and i think that those are the type of people that are going to jump on the governor christie bandwagon really quickly. >> and do you think, ed, does this hurt the gop in your opinion? i mean, does it send a message about maybe folks aren't real thrilled with the current field? >> yeah, it's like jon stewart said, it's like an episode of "american idol" in reverse. you keep adding people as the season goes on. i would love to see a ten-person debate and how christie holds up when he's got nine opponents there. but to go back to the point about perry, it's going to take a -- national republicans are about to learn what democrats here in texas have noun for a while, which is, it's going topic a lot more than a bad poll and a bad debate to stop rick perry. >> i've got to give will the final word on that one. "american idol" in reverse.
will, i know you've got something up your sleeve on that. >> you know, all i would say is that i'm not worried about adding more candidates to this field. i want to see more candidates added to this field. i want a satisfactory candidate. until i see it, i'll keep asking for it. it doesn't hurt my party or my ideology at all. >> all right. will kaine, ed espinosa, karen agnes, thank you all, appreciate your time. good discussion. coming up, fighting murder with murder. a gruesome twist in mexico's drug war. we'll have a live report, next. when an investment lacks discipline, it's never this obvious. introducing investment discipline etfs from russell. visit russelletfs.com r a prospectus, containing the investment objectives, risks, charges, expenses and other information. read and consider it carefully before investing.
stepping up their where we have to warn you, they may be disturbing. no one has claimed responsibility in these cases. the threats warned that teachers will become targets if they don't pay part of their salaries to the drug gangs. some schools have closed due to the threats and the lack of security. in another development, you'll recall a recent development, dozens of bodies jumps in the street near a busy shopping center near vera cruz. rafael romo reports. >> translator: men dressed in black, to kill dark traffickers, one of the men speaks for the group saying that their name is zeta killers.
their plan it s to ex terminate the last couple of days but it's legitimacy is unknown. the speaker claims that this group is the people's armed king. he also says that aspirin pal, the group's members are prohibited from committing crimes, including extortion, kidnapping, and theft, and anything affecting the well-being of mexico and its people. the mexican attorney general's office said the only way to reach long-lasting security and peace is to fight against organized crime is the responsibility of authorities at the three levels of government. the federal government rejects any action outside the law as a means to protect the fundamental rights of people. the video was released only a week after the bodies of 35 people were dump on a busy
highway in vera cruz. handwritten notes said that the members were members of the zeta cartel. the zeta killers paramilitary group has not claimed responsibility for the massacure. rafael joins us. >> there does not to be any proof or that this is real. they appear only a few days after the masquerade in vera cruz and that has authorities throughout mexico very, very worried, randi. >> and what should we know about this group and other paramilitary groups in mexico? >> the fact of the matter is it's not the first group that appears in a video on youtube.
there were two more in the last year. but this time they seem to be talking about current events, especially the masacure that i told you about. they are just fed up with the crime and they are not going to wait for the government to do something about it. they are going to take justice into their own hands, so to speak. so that's a new development in this war against drug cartel, randi. >> rafael, thank you very much. time is running out to raise campaign cash. paul will explain right after the break. at exxonmobil we know the answer is yes. when we design any well, the groundwater's protected by multiple layers of steel and cement. most wells are over a mile and a half deep so there's a tremendous amount of protective rock between the fracking operation and the groundwater. natural gas is critical to our future. at exxonmobil we recognize the challenges and how important it is
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season. >> yeah, and there is one important deadline that i know you want to bring us up to date on this week. >> yeah. we're talking about campaign cash. friday is the deadline. you've seen vice president hopefuls out doing fund-raisers. why? because friday is the last day to raise money for the third quarter. what does all of this matter? here is why. when the campaign starts showing us those numbers, how much money they have raised, we will make a big deal out of it. it's like a barometer. the more money you raise, it shows you're a stronger candidate, campaign, and more popular. that's why we are pouring through these numbers. they are the gauge of how the campaign and candidates are doing. another way for us to see what is going on in this battle for the white house, randi. >> all right, paul. thank you for bringing us up to date. talk to you soon. >> thank you. it is 2:00 p.m. in the east
and 11:00 a.m. here in los angeles in the second day of the manslaughter trial of dr. jackson's personal in-house doctor. conrad murray is accused of causing the death of michael jackson. the defense says murray was trying to wean jackson off the anesthetic but jackson took drugs that he didn't even know about. on the stand now is jackson's personal assistance. the personal assistance is expected to relate after a long and sleepless night. now, earlier today, they focused not on drugs but specifically on $5 million. murray originally saw to work for jackson full time. >> and just so we're clear, it's conrad murray who said, i need
$5 million a year for my services, krikt? >> that's correct. >> in your experience, is $5 million a year a usual sum for physicians for a one-year time? >> no. >> it's not unusual? or it is unusual? >> it is quite unusual. >> now, dr. murray eventually settled for $150,000 a month. joining me now to talk about the trial, the law, and the medicine are l.a. attorney, ellen garapalo and dr. sanjay gupta. i know that you have some new information? >> yes. sources close to the fence, i just got off the phone with them. they wanted to point out a few things about where the defense is going. first of all, you mentioned other drugs. they say that michael jackson was having procedures three to four times a week up until a couple of days prior to his death. and during these procedures he was getting this medication demerol. they say it was happening very recently because demerol in the
past was something -- there were concerns that he may have abused and people coming off of demerol, withdrawing from demerol, kind of have a stimulant effect from demerol that causes them to not be able to sleep. what is interesting, they laid out this possibility that michael jackson, at the time of his death, when conrad murray was in the room giving him the medications, that michael jackson was essentially playing opossum. took the eight pills and injected propofol into an iv. not ininvestigated it. but walked around with an iv that he would -- >> attached to him? >> that was attached to him. that was very different than what we've heard over the last couple of days. really, this idea that he was awake playing opossum, woke up and was kog na zant to take the
pills and inject himself with more propofol, that's what the defense is telling me now and that's where we will hear their arguments coming from. >> when you hear about demerol, lorazapam all in his stomach, in this guys body, what does that tell you? >> propofol leaves the body so soon that during the time it's there, it will the other drugs. at the time, he had atavan, an anti anxiety medication and propofol which is used to induce general anesthesia. in the hospital, they are giving around the same time. but it can literally cause someone to stop breathing.
>> ellen, you hear this and this is certainly what the defense is trying to show, that michael jackson did this to himself, that dr. conrad murray did not cause his death. how difficult is that going to be for the defense to connect those dots? >> well, it really depends on the medical evidence, the autopsy reports and the evidence and the testimony given bif the doctors who will have analyzed those reports. one of the problems, it seems to me, that the defense has with that argument is the following. michael jackson, as i understand it, was addicted, had drug substance abuse problems that conrad murray was allegedly working to cure, to help michael jackson stop using these drugs. why, then, would conrad murray leave the room whfilled with
propofol, ativan, various medications within the reach of michael jackson? particularly if, as the defense has said, the propofol is very quick acting, in, out, quickly, and you wake up relatively quickly. was that in and of itself risky, reckless conduct that rises to the level of criminal conduct? >> let me ask you, sanjay. first of all, you've been in the hospital. you've seen how quickly this stuff can work. >> yep. >> you've shown us video from the o.r. is it even appropriate to have this in a private home? >> absolutely not. i completely agree with ellyn on that point. i think the defense said earlier on, there were mistakes made here and then conrad was -- made
mistakes. dr. murray made mistakes. he was not perfect. but this whole idea what they are laying out, they gave this medication -- conrad murray gave this medication. it's supposed to come on and leave the body pretty quickly. he waited over ten minutes where the propofol should have no longer been in his body or having an effect and then he left at that point thinking that michael jackson fell asleep due to exhaustion. what they are saying is that michael jackson was, again, they think was playing possum with him. faking sleep, murray leaves the room, and then jackson gives himself more medication. as ellyn is intimating, how do you prove that? that seems to be where they are going with their arguments. >> ellyn, what do you think the greatest challenge is for conrad murray's defense attorney? ed chernoff? >> it's getting around this idea, that this drug, this
particular drug used only in highly controlled hospital and similar settings is being used in a private home without the equipment necessary should there be an emergency, just like the one that unfortunately happened. i think that's a hard fact to get around as long as the prosecution stays focused and keeps hammering on that fact. >> so doctor -- let's talk about dr. conrad murray. what could he really do, sanjay, if a patient is deceptive? what is a doctor to do? >> well, this type of situation where you cannot control the potential outcomes because you don't have all of the monitoring equipment and resuscitation equipment, he should not have had him in this situation. ilts one of the basic things that we learn with regard to administering medication, you have to be able to handle all of the potential outcomes and he wasn't in a situation where he
could. he probably created a situation, where if a tragic accident happened, he couldn't have done anything about it. >> should he have known or could he have known if he was faking asleep? >> that's an interesting point. if he knows him well you would think that he would possibly tell or because propofol behaves in a consistent way, he would have expected him to rouse after a little bit. i believe what you'll hear over the next few days is that michael jackson faked sleep so murray thought that he had fallen asleep due to exhaustion. he was performing over 1 thourngs moves, trying to learn all of these things and desperately wanted to sleep so i think murray thought the man is finally asleep. that's what we wanted. and he leaves the room. i think that's what your going to hear. >> it's a tragedy no matter what way you look at it. >> yeah, and the outcome is so tragic no matter what way you look at it. >> ellyn garafalo, sanjay gupta,
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testimony in the manslaughter trial of mike gel jackson's private live-in doctor, dr. conrad murray. jackson's personal assistant is on the stand detailing jackson's last night. joining me is diane dimond. she wrote the book "be careful with who you love." is this case hinged on propofol? >> i think so. a lot of people want to make this about michael jackson and his past and his drug abuse but i think in the end what the jurors are going to be asked is whether or not if it was okay for a doctor, not anesthesiologist, to be using anesthesia not in the hospital but in a private home. >> and how much do you think they will look at dr. murray's behavior after that, not being
forthcoming with the paramedics about the fact that he had given the pop star the propofol and leaving the room? what do you make of that? >> well, a couple of things. i think that him not being forth coming with the paramedics and two doctors inside the emergency room is going to come back to bite dr. murray. now, i thought one of the most interesting things that the defense said yesterday in the opening was, that he was trying to wean michael jackson off of propofol. why in the world would he then have ordered four gallons of propofol? let's set that aside for a moment. but if he was trying to wean michael jackson off propofol, once it goes into your body, within ten minutes it dissipates. so he sat with michael jackson for half an hour or so, it dissipated and then he left the room. yet michael jackson is found with enough propofol in his body to be legally intoxicated by it, according to the coroner.
now, how did that get in there? if it dissipates within ten minutes and the doctors left the room, there is some other injegs gegs or injection of massive amounts of propofol in his body that don't get to dissipate because he dies before that happens. he died so quickly, he died with his eyes opened, we heard. >> right. now, i was in the courtroom yesterday doing some reporting for "anderson cooper 360" late in the evening. and i was sitting behind the jackson family. they have such a presence there. you have janet, la toya, his parents. tell me what kind of impact that might have on the jury, that this is such a celebrity family. >> well, when the jury comes in, they can't help but be right in the sight of the family. as i wrote in the book, during the criminal trial, the family showed up in mass there and, of course, they command attention. they are the jackson family.
but in the criminal trial, where he faced many, many years in prison, the family sort of dwindled away. they didn't keep coming. so i think to answer your question, i think it will hinge on how often they come. they are there now for the first couple of days. la toya is tweeting from the courtroom and that's compelling. >> right. >> but will they continue to come? i don't know. >> all right. diane dimond, thank you for your insight. >> nice to see you, randi, thank you. if you're a gloria esfefan fan, we have something that may want to you get out of your chair and dance. the queen of latin pop is out with a brand-new album. if you like her old stuff, you are sure to like this. she joins me live next to talk about it. -strength bayer advanced aspirin. it has microparticles, enters the bloodstream faster and rushes relief to the site of pain. it's clinically proven to relieve pain twice as fast. new bayer advanced aspirin.
♪ ♪ now the heat is on ♪ now my feet are gone >> oh, yeah, that will make you want to get up and dance. don't you think? that's the smash hit from gloria estefan. she's out with her first english album in eight years. it's called "miss little havana." she says it's one of the most exciting projects that she has ever worked on. we're happy to have her joining us from new york to talk a little bit about "miss little havana."
tell me why you wanted to make it now. >> thank you so much, by the way, for that beautiful intro. i love it. why i made it now? i was called up on the phone and said that had he a project for me to do and said to me, i'm his little havana. and we clicked. it took a year and a half to get into the studio from our scheduling point of view but he did an amazing nine songs and my tried and true hubby did four songs. a lot of fun. top to bottom dance. >> let's talk about the smash hit. this translates to a wow moment? can you explain that? >> when anything happens, good or bad, good or small, it's just like, wow. it doesn't like mean anything. it just is supposed to be a lot of fun. i call it my nuclear -- it's supposed to be a tribute to all
of the wonderful street festivals all over the world where people are just in the streets dancing wildly and in the video we wanted to use some real street, kind of edgy hip-hop dancers. >> your cover is a little bit of pieces from the past. how so? >> we are going to shoot new pictures for this project, which we've done, but since there was so many pieces of my past music on here, we wanted to reflect miami. so i grabbed my hair from my first dance album in 1998, the face is from a picture -- >> great hair. >> i love that hair. is dance hair all the way. the face had the attitude that i sang the record in and i wanted a blank canvas for the black dress for the artist libo who did the cover. he's a miami artist, miami grown.
i wanted to reflect the music inside. >> what is it like for you now that you're just a few years older since your last album that fans have been waiting for? you say you're more comfortable in your skin than ever. why is that? give us some good advice on that one. >> it's not advice. it just happens with time. if you live a life and become a part of who you are when you're a writer, a musician, it's got to come into your mice i can. i didn't plan the record to be as sexy as the lyrics are but it matched and it happened and at the end of the project i said, there's a story here. we created this persona for miss havana. >> and this is a bit of a family affair, from what i understand, right? your daughter is also on the album with you? she plays guitar, is that right? >> she is, indeed. she's the best musician in the family. i took advice from both my kids.
my son turned me on to lebo who i loved already but said when i hear the music that you're doing, this is what it sounds like to me. and then on one of the records that we did with a wonderful musician, he asked him to do a solo and she's shredding and in the studio, the fiancee, sun rocket, my daughter would come in every day after school, she would watch the process and she was enthralled by the whole thing. >> can we switch topics here for just a second? i want to ask you about politics. september is national hispanic heritage month. when you look at latinos, one in every six voting, what are your plans to get the latino voice out for 2012? >> well, i always tell latinos, we have to go out and use our power to vote. because that is really what gives you strength and power and
i think that it's important for everybody to vote who can get out there and do that. i like to watch to the bitter end, listen to everything that i can, listen to all of the candidates and make up my mind. the latino vote is not monolithic. it has many points of view in the hispanic community. >> gloria estefan, thank you for coming on the show. pleasure speaking with you. >> always a pleasure. thank you so much. >> thank you. all right. let's take a look at some of the markets. take a look at the big board. wall street started the day on the plus side and it's down 75 but it's been a wild ride, that's for sure. and there now it's down 79 already. other top stories, big news in the tech world. amazon has unveiled the new touch screen tablet. it's called the kindle fire. it will be in direct competition
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questions about our set here on the balcony. we've had jack hammering noise today. we wanted to explain that. and also i've been tweeting out a lot of pictures and getting a lot of responses. let's start right over here, over my right shoulder, is downtown l.a. greg, you're on that, right? that's our shot from greg haines on the camera there. if you pan around, i want to show our viewers, right over there, that beautiful building, that is the disney concert hall. isn't that gorgeous? we're reporting from the l.a. times building. we're on the sixth floor. we like to call it studio six at the l.a. times building. over here is superior court, over there. and if you swing around, right there, this big building behind me, not a very pretty sight, that's on the 9th floor where dr. conrad murray is on trial. that's actually where o.j. simpson was on trial. beyond that building, where you
can't see, is where charles manson was on trial. that building has been taken down. and here's the construction site. we're getting a lot of noise from that. we apologize to our viewers. but that's what happens when you do the show outside and in los angeles. we were hoping to show you more palm trees than construction. that's what happens. and one last shot over there, that is city hall. you can see it, the flags, beautiful shot of city hall. should we show them stike on camera? there you go. he's our main camera and he's right behind there and that's what i get to stare into. that's where the teleprompter is on and the big plasma is behind there. so i get to see when we're on tv and not. that's our little mini set. so i have the computer here and cnn, we are always mobile. we can go anywhere, any time and bring you a great show.
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guantanamo bay base in cuba. the head of immigration in south florida has been arrested on important charges. anthony mangione is charged with receipt of child porn and possession of child porn. if convicted, he could face up to 20 years in prison. last hour, president obama gave his third annual back to school address to students across the country. in it, he encouraged students to be the best that they can be and to work hard at their studies. while the sfeech was intended to be nonpolitical, some schools did not broadcast it live due to objections from parents. it took 41 years, but the fbi got a long-time fugitive. they got him, all right. george wright escaped in 1940 driving off with the warden's car. the fbi says wright forced
agents to deliver $1 million ransom dressed only in swim trunks to prove that they had no guns. he vanished until monday. he is 68 living the good life in a portuguese resort town. he's fighting extradition. mexican drug gangs appear to be stepping up their threats against school teachers. five severed heads were found near an elementary school near acapulco. no one has claimed responsibility. the warning is that teachers will be killed if they don't pay. the decision to release a controversial jailhouse tape to the public is in the hands of a florida judge today. the orange county superior court judge who presided over casey anthony's murder trial wants to hear arguments on whether the videotape should be released. previously the judge ruled that
it was highly inflammatory and kept it sealed ahead of anthony's trial. an a media company filed to get the tape unsealed in july. coming up, the battle for gadhafi's hometown. our reporter is there. you will find this story only on cnn. that's next. frs ...] >> male announcer: now, for a limited time, your companion flies free, plus save up to 65%. call 1-800-sandals. conditions apply.
florida. nowhere in the u.s. could start causing pretty major problems. in fangt, the state has the worst invasive reptile problem in the world. cnn's rob marciano reports. >> there goes another guy. right there. look at this. >> reporter: one of many dangerous animals, reptile expert chris gillette has found in this area. >> he definitely bites. >> reporter: an exotic species that shouldn't be anywhere near the u.s. >> this kind of snake does not belong in florida. >> this is a snake that is very, very common in the pet trade. >> we found it right next door to an ex on the stick pet and along with liz zards and snakes. >> another one. look at this. >> right off the side zauk that's another python. when you find one, you often
find more. >> you've never seen another one like this in any other spot. >> no, i have not. >> clearly that's got to be the source. >> that has to be. absolutely. >> the course, according to a university of florida study is this exotic spet store. the study finds that 25% of all established nonnative reptiles have been legally distributed through this business. strictly reptiles agreed to respond on the phone. >> just because they found an animal loose around my facility does not mean that it's established its state in the state of florida. >> reporter: still, what happens after an animal was purchased at any store is difficult to control. >> if it's a responsible owner, they will release these animals legally. >> reporter: illegal but almost impossible to enforce. we asked the florida fish and wildlife if the laws are strong
enough. they simply said, regulations alone will not solve the problem. we see the law as port of a larger effort to increase public awareness of the problem of releasing exotic animals. florida has the largest number of nonreptiles in the world. so far, there haven't been any widespread negative impact on the environment but the study's lead author says it takes decades to see the consequences. >> for some people to say, well, these have no consequences, no negative impacts on our environment at all, well, okay, let us know in about 30, 40, 50 years. let's see what happens then. >> reporter: that's the scary thing, randi. there's a four-year lag time from when a species gets rereeced and then you see an impact. huge african snals across miami eating stucco off of homes and plants invading your lawn. that shouldn't be there. that's a big problem.
surely the met industry has caused an explosion in just the last ten years. pet owners, be responsible. if you're tired of your exotic pet, bring it back to the spet store. more than likely, they will take it back or buy it back. randi? >> rob, thank you very much. the battle for gadhafi's home town is playing out right now in libya. we'll have the very latest for you next.
said ga dauf dee may be hiding out in kurnt tree protected by a nomatic tribe and one of his sons may be holed up in the town of sirte. ga dauf tea loyalists have dugged in using snipers and machine guns and it appears to be a fight for the finish. in italy, court is taking a break today in the a man da knox case. she has been accused of sexually and assaulting a british student. she was sentenced to 26 years in prison. her co-defendant sentenced to 25 years. court is set to resume tomorrow. at the u.n. today, the security council agreed to send the palestinian application for statehood for review.
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a new food recall is out right now. according to the food inspection safety service. tyson is recalling 130,000 pounds of ground beef products that may be contaminated with e. coli. we have no reports or illnesses caused by any meat. we'll keep you posted on any developments. one food that has been the cause of both deaths and illness, listeria-tainted
cantaloupe. at least 13 people have been killed. health officials also say at least 72 people have become sick from eating tainted cantaloupes. deaths and illnesses have been reported in 18 states from california to maryland. investigators say the source of the outbreak appears fob jensen farms in the rocky region of colorado. joining me is dr. sanjay gupta. this is pretty serious? >> when you talk about the deadliest in a decade, we talk about food outbreaks all the time. this is pretty broad region as well. dr. tom freeden is director of the cdc. thank you for joining us. for a few moments, 13 deaths we're hearing confirmed now from this. i'm also hearing that the numbers of people both sickened and could potentially die from this could go up.
is that true? and, if so, why? >> listeria is a rare but deadly disease. it can infect the brain, lungs, blood, and it has a relatively high case fatality rate, particularly for the elderly, newborns or those for the elderly who are on treatment and suppresses their immune system. it has a long incubation period. it can take a week after you eat a product and become ill and as much as two months to become ill. some people may still have the jensens farm cantaloupe in their refrigerators. if you have a cantaloupe that is labeled as something other than jensen farms, that's okay. this is what the label looks like. then it is not safe to eat. throw it out. what is really important -- >> go ahead.
>> dr. freedman, can you say for sure that the cantaloupe is no longer available for purchase in stores? to your point, people may have them in their homes but if they go out and buy it now, they are not going to buy contaminated cantaloupe? can you say that now? >> the fda issued a recall the 14 this, two weeks ago. usually it doesn't last two weeks in the food supply. if you have any doubt, ask your supermarket. if the cantaloupe you bought doesn't have a label on it and you want to know, ask the place you bought it from. this example of food-borne outbreak is happening more and more. in this year alone, we've seen 12 outbreaks because we're looking better and finding things out there. but it's because our food supply is more complex. this is one of the many reasons why it's so important to have state, local, and federal and
public health agencies out there 24/7 identifying problems rapidly intervening. >> you've been on the job now for a couple of years. i remember when you started. how would you say -- regarding food safety, is our food safer than it was before given some of the stats that you just shared? >> i think our food is getting safer. one of the reasons that it's getting safer is that we are getting better at identifying problems and stopping them before they become more widespread. we identified a very serious e. coli infection in hazel nuts. we were able to get them off the market in a very short time so it infected very few people. so our ability to track this is extremely important. one of the big challenges that we face, though, is that over the past two years there has been a reduction in budgets for state and local health agencies and because of that budget reduction, there are 44,000 fewer people working at state and local health departments
than they were two years ago. because of that, it can take more time to identify an outbreak. the state of colorado did a terrific job in this case. they did more intensive identification and tracking of outbreaks and that's one of reasons that it was found more quickly. >> right. and i think -- but, as you know, the headline that people are hearing is that this is the deadliest outbreak in more than a decade. is there anything else that can be done? once it's contaminated and before it gets to people's tables and refrigerators, can something be done with the bacteria, something to make it safer with regard to cantaloupe now specifically? >> the food and drug administration will look at that carefully. we don't yet know how this happened. at this particular farm. once we learn that, we can then improve the practices. if we look at listeria as a general problem, two decades ago it was quite common in deli meats and haot dogs.
we saw a big drop in the number of cases from deli meats and hot dogs which are much safer. for our partners, that's something that we're still learning what's the cause and how can we prevent it and that's why it's so important to track infections so not only we can stop an outbreak before it spreads too widely but so that we can pinpoint the source, figure out what caused it and prevent it from happening in the future. >> yeah, it's really remarkable. it's a true medical mystery. to sometimes put these together. melons are grown on top of the ground. soil can be contaminated. that contaminated soil can get into the skin of the melons. that's my understanding. is that what happened here? is that how this listeria, this bacteria got into the cantaloupe? >> time will tell as the fda does its inspection. but one of the rare things about the particular bacteria, listeria, is that it can grow at low temperatures. even if it's in your refrigerator or a refrigerated
holding area, that bacteria can continue to grow and multiply and the cantaloupe can become more infected. it can become more contaminated. that's one of the reasons that it's quite challenging to reduce listeria. most things if you put them in the refrigerator, they stop growing. listeria stops growing. >> for people who may be getting sick, how do they know if their illness is sick or they should see a doctor or do something more about it? >> if you have flu-like symptoms and fever with other symptoms and you're older, if your pregnant or have an underlying condition, such as cancer or hiv or something that weakens your immune system, like long-term steroid treatment, they can check your blood culture to see if you have listeria.
but if you've just eaten a melon and you feel fine, we don't recommend testing at this time. >> all right. i know it's been a busy couple days for you and a busy few weeks remain. thank you for joining us for a little bit. >> thank you for your interest. >> and randi, you heard that they say that it actually gets into the skin of the cantaloupe. so even cutting it through with a knife can sometimes take the bacteria and put it into the melon, so really washing it is a general rule and washing your hands but even staerilizing you countertops and your vegetables drawers. you've got to clean all of that. >> certainly good information and new information as well. thank you for that. >> sure. florida may move the presidential primary and shake up the whole calendar. yes, the whole nominating process. peter ham bee will have the details for us next. ♪
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all of the states guaranteed spots to go first, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada, are going to move up to january to stay ahead of florida. florida may be okay with that because they want to go fifth but this is causing problems because these plans were carefully laid out and it will be in a complete mess which could be close to new year's eve, randi. >> how does this impact the candidates themselves? this can't be good? >> right. the candidates themselves and the press corps will head there late december and then new hampshire shortly after that. one thing that is interesting to note, however, as we talk about sarah palin and chris christie, some of the republicans still on the side lines thinking about when they can get in, this moves the first contest up a full month so that leaves palin