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the good in him. >> it's going to be a tough time for you and your family fothe next few weeks. i wish you luck with it, jermaine. thank you for being so honest. an extraordinary book. i recommend people to read it to get a better understanding what your brother was really like. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> it's been a pleasure. hi there. i'm susan hendricks in atlanta. don lemon is off tonight. here's what's happening this hour. a story of determination, survival and really luck has thrust a california family into the national spotlight. their father was missing somewhere in the thousands of square miles of the angeles national forest and his four grown children did not give up. they found him. plus, they may have helped another family in distress. cnn's tina kim has the
remarkable details. >> two cars mangled at the bottom of a ravine, that was the site of a family reunion unlike any other, one that is likely solved a missing person's case and saved a father's life. the worry began when the man being airlifted did not call his kids. >> my dad would never not call his kids. there's four of us, it's just by the time the fourth, fist day and sixth, we knew something was wrong. >> reporter: so the children of david lavau started searching on their own pinpointing an area in the angeles national forest after detectives helped them track their dad's cell and credit card activity. then the brothers and sisters and friends began driving. >> we stop the at every ravine and looked over every hill. >> i thought i heard a cat or a dog enough where i said hello and it echoed down. >> sean found his father thursday, 200 feet down a ravine.
the 67-year-old man had been missing for six days. >> i hugged him and we both cried and i said you know, how did you make it? he said i drank the water in the river and i eta leaves and bugs. >> he was heading this direction. another car was heading towards him, had the bright lights on. so he flashed lights at the car. i believe at that point probably swerved, went off the road. >> david ended up near another wrecked car with a decomposing body inside. as his children worried about him, lava su worried how his kids would find him. the times reports he wrote on his car, i love my kids. dead man was not my fault. the dead man is likely to be 88-year-old melvin. his daughter joan says she is thankful for answers. >> we may have never found him. >> we tried to prepare for the worst but hoped for the best. >> authorities have yet to confirm the body's identity.
what is concern, david raised some determined kids. >> he certainly did. thanks to tina for that amazing story. barack obama will go down in history as the president who ended don't ask, don't tell. a fact he leaned on heavily tonight in a speech to 3,000 gay and lesbian activists at the annual human rights campaign dinner washington. but as theena jones explains, some in the room were hoping to hear more from the president. >> the president spoke tonight before a crowd of nearly 3,000 people for the human rights campaign's annual national dinner. he spoke about many so of the steps his administration has taken to address the concerns of the lgbt community like repealing don't ask, don't tell and passing a hate crimes prevention act. there's one thing many people wanted to hear and certainly many people in the lgbt community outside of that room, which is to hear the president come out strongly and publicly and confirm support of gay marriage. he didn't do that tonight. we didn't expect him to. we've heard the president say
his position on gay marriage is evolving. but tonight, he did speak about his efforts to continue to push for the repeal of the defense of marriage act. let's listen to what he had to say. >> i vow to the keep up the fight against the so-called defense of marriage act. there's a bill to repeal this dris discriminatory law in congress. and i want to see that passed. but until we reach that day, my administration is no longer defending it in the courts. i believe the law runs counter to the constitution and it's time for it to end once and for all. it should join don't ask, don't tell in the history books. >> the president also received a big round of applause when he bashed republican candidates for staying sigh lnt when american soldier was booed in the recent republican presidential debate. here's what he had to say about that. >> we don't believe in a small america. we don't believe in the kind of smallness that says it's okay for a stageful of political
leaders, one of whom could end up being the president of the united states being silent when the an american soldier is booed. we don't believe in that. we don't believe in standing silent when that happens. . we don't believe in them being silent. you want to be commander in chief? you can start by standing up for the men and women who wear the uniform of the united states, even when it's not politically convenient. >> now, it was certainly a big night. lots of cheers, great reception for the president in that room. the human rights campaign has already endorsed the president for re-election, and certainly, his speech while it may have pleased a lot of people there, it won't have pleased everyone in the community. we've heard from the freedom to marry group who want to see the president come out and express firm public support for gay marriage. still a big event tonight.
athena jones, cnn, washington. >> certainly powerful words from the president. so would gay voters ever abandon president obama for not supporting same-sex marriage? we will ask one of the key members of the human rights campaign which invited him to speak tonight. that is just moments away. so stick around for that. the u.s. government believes the killing of a high level al qaeda leader in yemen could provoke revenge attacks against americans. a drone attack is credited with killing anwar al awlaki. the fbi and state department are warning it could incite anti-american attacks in the world and the u.s., as well. a government official says he had been under surveillance in yemen for two weeks when the opportunity arose to kill him with a missile. among the other victims was another american, samir khan who was considered vital to al qaeda's propaganda efforts with his online english language magazine. even though anwar al awlaki
was an american citizen, is the u.s. considered him a threat to the homeland security. his killing they say violated u.s. and international laws. jessica yellin takes a look at the legalities here. >> it's president obama's latest successful strike on a wanted al qaeda terrorist. >> the death of alabama lackey is a major blow to al qaeda's most active operational affiliate. awlaki was the leader of external operations for al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. >> this time it's different. he was an american. this may be the first u.s. killing of an american target with no trial, no indictment. >> the problem here is that the u.s. has done something i don't think it's done before. it has killed one of its citizens somewhere else around the world without any due process at all. this is about rule of louann about rules to keep us all safe. >> warren's organization sued to take au lack kill off a terror
kill list and lost. the white house wouldn't offer legal justification for targeting an american. >> this goes to the is this assumptions about the circumstances of his death. i'm not going to address that and speak hypothetically. >> the an adviser to the u.s. state department explained the government's logic for killing anyone on the terrorist capture or kill list regardless of nationalnality. >> a state that is engaged in armed conflict or in legitimate self-defense is not required to provide targets or legal process before the state may use lethal force. >> there's no question this administration viewed awlaki as a threat for some time. >> i actually consider al qaeda in the asian pen. with awlaki as a leader within that organization probably the most significant risk to the u.s. homeland. >> politically, the white house has support from the both parties. republican congressman peter king says, "it was entirely legal. and from a top democrat -- >> it's legal. it's legitimate and we're taking out someone who has attempted to
attack us on numerous occasions. >> reporter: so why won't the white house explain their legal justification for the killing? well, that would be a tacit admission that the u.s. was involved in the killing. and it would seem the obama administration wants to distance itself from an action that the yemeni people could perceive as foreign intervention in their country. jessica yellin, cnn. >> it is also believed one of the other victims of friday's missile strike may be an explosives expert. ibrahim al asiri, a u.s. officials say there are indications he was at the scene. he is suspected of making the so-called underwater bomb that was worn by a nigerian man on a flight to detroit on christmas day back in 2009. he is also believed to have been behind the failed plot to place bombs disguised as printer cartridges aboard airliners last october. as we mentioned earlier, president obama addressed 3,000 gay and lesbian activists
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another. and we live up to a cede that is as old as our founding epluribusunum, that's what we believe. >> i get the chills when i hear we're all in it together. he was the campaign speaker tonight. he is coming off a major gay rights victory with the repeal of the military's don't ask, don't tell policy. that was huge taking effect less than two weeks ago. i want to welcome brian multiton, council for the human rights campaign. brian, so glad to see you. thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> i get the chills when i hear president obama saying we're all in it together. he believes in equality. what stood out to you tonight the most? there's probably a lot of things that did. >> it was an amazing speech. you know, i think the fact that he was able to talk about the success of don't ask, don't tell with openly gay and lesbian service members right there in the room in uniform being able to stand and applaud the
commander in chief, that was powerful. he spoke about him and the first lady standing up as examples for lgbt youth that are struggling with whether or not there's a real future for them and that the president stands with them. i thought thinking back to my teenage years how amazing it would have been to hear that from a sitting prosecute ez. >> it is, but there's still criticism out there because the president did not say yes, i'm for gay marriage. and so, would this drive away gay and lesbian voters? what do you think? >> the president has said he's evolving on marriage and we all would like him to evolve faster. certainly it would be a powerful thing for the president to support marriage, you know, forth rightly. but doesn't take away from the amazing accomplishments that we've seen in this presidency on hate crimes, protections, on don't ask, don't tell repeal, hospital visitation protections. also the strong commitment you heard from him tonight to keep pushing forward, to push for repealing the federal defense of
marriage act, to push for employment protections, the maninings our community still needs. >> so the don't ask, don't tell repeal is one thing. but to go a step forward, what do you think is preventing that? >> i think that he's continue to consider the issue the way that a lot of americans are, a lot of our workers are having those conversations. i just think hopefully although i can't look into my crystal ball but hopefully soon he will be there on the marriage issue, as well. >> do you think barack obama has done more for gay rights than any other president in history? i'm getting your answer is yes. >> absolutely. i think is the record is incredibly strong and he really you know, mentioned a lot of it in tonight's speech and we've seen so much progress in the last 2 1/2 years. >> what was the reaction to the speech tonight? i know you say that you felt really positive about it. and so did i in the excerpts we did hear. what was the reaction overall in the room? >> the room was on their feet for most of the speech.
it was tremendously well received by our members. >> and why do you think that? do you think it is the don't ask, don't tell repeal? what stuck out to me was when he said when that service member was booed and the people running for president, the republicans especially didn't step in and say something sooner and he said look, if you want to be the leader of this country, you have to stand up and say something. these people are fighting for our country. >> absolutely. i think that is a really stark example of the kind of advocate he is for our community in comparison to all the folks on those stages an at those republican debates who, as he said, stood silently by while people bood a service member in the theater of war in iraq simply because he mentioned that he is a gay service member. >> right. it's almost like at the debate, no one wanted to step in. it was kind of like a paws feeling. brian moulton, thanks so much for your feedback. nice meeting you, thanks.
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until authorities finally caught up with him on monday. his attorney says the u.s. doesn't have a right to get him back because he's now a portuguese citizen. susan candiotti retraces wright's steps to learn how authorities found him after so long. >> this rural seaside town is the backdrop for a fugitive living with a vet for more than four decades. looking nothing like he did in the early 60s when he was still a teenager, george wright, now 68, was rate offed and sent to portugal after breakfast at this bakery. about eight officers in plain clothes surrounded him, this man says. they did it quietly and he didn't put up a pite. >> revibing the case in 2002, u.s. marshals and the fbi tracked wright to portugal through travel patterns they were examining, a law enforcement source tells cnn. u.s. authorities say they in turn matched a fingerprint from a portuguese national i.d.
database to one they had on file for wright in prison. and set up a delicate surveillance operation to make sure they had the man who had eluded them for so long. wright was convicted of killing a decorated world war ii vet during a gas station robbery. serving time in new jersey, he escaped in 1970. hiding out in detroit where he joined the black liberation army. in 1972, wright hijacked a delta flight from detroit to miami. he had a gun and a cutout bible and posed as a priest to take over the flight with four others. >> i went back to the lavatory, and as i came out of the lavatory, the stewardess was in the forward buffet with one of the hijackers which i didn't know at this time. and i asked her for a coffee and he turned around and pointed a gun and says they want you in the cockpit. >> at miami international airport, fbi agents forced to wear bathing suits to prove they were unarmed delivered a million
dollar ran some. at that time, a record amount. passengers were let go, but the flight crew was ordered to fly to boston to pick up a navigator before going on to al jeers. algeria returned the ran some money to the u.s. but wright and his buddies were allowed to stay in algeria. wright eventually settled in this town in portugal and used the name jorge dos santos. townspeople say he held several jobs and even owned restaurants. he was married and had children. he blended in, even as a foreigner. >> he was pleasant, this woman says, and when he spoke to his wife and children, he used english, not portuguese. his capture is a relief for the daughter of william paterson who was killed by wright at the gas station 40 years ago. >> there was no dad there at graduation. there was no daddy to walk us down the aisle. grandchildren didn't have a grandfather. you know, it's a big void.
it's a big empty spot. >> saying he's a portuguese citizen, wright is fighting to stay put but the u.s. wants him back. to finish a murder sentence and face other charges including that hijacking decades ago. the legal process could take weeks, months, or even longer. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. >> and we will hear much more firsthand about the fear inside of that plane that was hijacked by wright when we talk with passengers on board that day back in 1972. you won't want to miss that. that's sunday night, tomorrow night. hundreds of people are arrested in new york while protesting what they are calling greed and corruption on wall street. that and more top stories are next. but first this. a fight over a longer school day has chicago mayor rahm emanuel at odds with the teachers union. emmanuel wants to lengthen the school days which are among the shortest in the country at under six hours. talks between the school system and the teachers union broke
down this month. but six public elementary schools did vote for 7 1/2 hour days and they will get $150,000 and a 2% raise for teachers, as well. education contributor steve perry has more on the squabble. >> reporter: chicago schools as a city are performing just as poorly as many of the others and worse than quite a few. and many chicagoans are upset about that. therefore i believe mayor rahm emanuel is on the right track saying listen, i want the best teachers in and i don't want to be hamstringed by a union. he tried to sit down with the union and say what can we do? we're all in this together. you guys have been in charge of the situation for generations now. what can we do differently? as they typically do, they folded their arms and say we're doing what we've been doing. we're not going to give an inch and they were put on the sidelines. one of the most exciting things about what mayor rahm emanuel is doing is he's saying listen, i'm
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checking the headlines for you, authorities in ocean ridge, florida, are investigating a suspicious package delivered to the home of vice president joe biden's brother, the bomb squad and hazmat, hazardous materials team, were dispatched to examine the package, which was leaking powder. the fbi has taken custody of the item for examination. no injuries reported. you are looking at a showdown on the brook live bridge. it led to the arrest of some 400 anti-wall street protesters today. demonstrators chanted the world is watching. as new york city police moved
in. they were taken into custody for disorderly conduct and blocking traffic. the so-called occupy wall street demonstrations are entering their third week now. protesting what organizers call greed and corruption in america. more than 1,000 supporters and family members turned out today for this man, the funeral of executed georgia inmate troy davis. he was put to death last week for the 1989 slaying of an off duty savannah police officer. he claimed he was innocent. amnesty international is urging supporters to observe today as a day of remembrance. it was a moment that brought tears to the eyes of so many fans who packed into the texas rangers ballpark. this 6-year-old boy, the son of the ranger fan who fell to his death in july, threw out the first pitch of the division series against the tampa bay rays. you see him there hugging young cooper stone was joined by his mother jenny and rangers president nolan ryan. catching the pitch was josh
hamilton. cooper's favorite player? hamilton sadly was tossing a ball to cooper when his father, a firefighter fell to his death while trying to catch it. there's that hug. right after the break, the richest sunken treasure ever found. a british ship torpedoed into world war ii has been located with 200 tons of silver on board. video of the sunken ship is just ahead. you don't want to miss it. but first in tonight's making their mark, urban camping the legal way, check this out from san francisco's haight ashbury district. it's a twin bed in a parking spot compliment of bennett austin who feeds the meeter to let homeless kids sleep there. it's also a clever way around the city's law which for bids people sitting or sleeping on sidewalks from morning till late evening. >> i i think instead of putting laws in place to push the problem away, we should be putting more efforts to changing it and coming up with a solution. >> bennett has also collect
man trapped for six days, 200 feet down a ravine in the angeles national forest. his four grown children did not give up. they found him, it led to the rescue to david lavou. right now on the line is sean, the son who actually spotted his father, sean, thanks so much for calling in and for speaking to us. we understand your dad went through surgery. how is he doing? >> thank you for asking. he's really doing incredible. he's always been an amazing fighter. he just actually literally 15 minutes ago got wheeled in from recovery. and like i said, just maybe five minutes ago, he just kind of opened his eyes lightly and just looked at us with those big blue eyes and knowing that we know he's going to be okay. >> not only is your father a fighter, but i think that you, sean and your entire family are fighters. take us through the day when you
realized your dad was missing and what your family did to find him to not give up. >> well, i mean, i don't know how much time. we realized wednesday morning that a friend of his that he did not show up to the orange county fair which is something he looks forward to all year. and right when we got that phone call, it just -- we didn't mess around. my sister said, is my dad with you? his friend hasn't picked him up. then she said no. i thought he was with you. we ended up calling my other sister in san francisco lisa. and she said no. we ended up waiting for my sister heading to mexico, just caught them them in the knick of time. it's amazing how life is because if we would not have the caught them, we would have waited till they landed in five or six hours
later which would have took more time away from finding our father. but we caught them actually on the plane as the plane was closing its doors that she said no, i do not have dad with us. and that we put into -- i can't explain it but 911 mode and right away, less than an hour, family got together already was at the sheriff, did a missing person's report. and once we did the report, had he told us what it was going to take to really get this file going, you know, it could be two to three days realistically from it being transferred to the other sheriff's station and from the sheriff's station going down to downtown l.a. >> time was ticking as i understand, sean, because you had to find your dad. real quickly, what was he alert? what was his first words? what did he say? >> when we actually found him? >> yes. >> oh, we're moving forward.
yeah, when we actually found him is at the top of the hill, and i thought i heard something and i just said hello. i just heard help, real faint help and then he said it again. i just realized it was my dad and you know, this hill, i don't know if your viewers can actually saw the video, but it was impossible for me to go down. i couldn't think of how to do it. >> we're looking at it right now. when you finally got to him, was he alert? >> yes, shockingly, he was. he just looked at me and right away, i just went and i just hugged him. he just started crying. i started crying. and we just looked at each other and he said i can't believe it's you. it's really you. >> we are so happy that it ended that way, that he cade can't believe it's you. it's really you. we hope we're table to talk to your father and hear from his
side. we're so happy for your entire family. thanks for calling into cnn. we appreciate it. >> have a good night. >> you, too. when we come back, the richest sunken treasure ship is next. don't miss it. rider. the "i'll sleep when it's done" academic. for 80 years, we've been inspired by you. and we've been honored to walk with you to help you get where you want to be. ♪ because your moment is now. let nothing stand in your way. learn more at keller.edu. where together, we're transforming tomorrow. ♪ here's where we deliver steady income - month after month. what's it going to be this month, mr. z? i'm gonna renovate my son's house. baby room. congratulations!
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start with the sunken ship we've been talking about. >> this is really amaze. not just because of how much loot could potentially be on this thing but also because of how deep it is on the ocean floor. what is it? that's a world war ii british merchant ship discovered about 300 miles off the coast of ireland. it's sitting three miles deep on the ocean floor. that's deeper than the tie tannic which as you look at those pictures, isn't that what you think about a little bit? there's this company called odyssey marine exploration company. if they can safely bring the cargo up to the surface, they think it's going to be the deepest and largest precious cargo haul ever lost at sea. what is it? what's on board? not gold. it's silver actually. they think there's big silver bars and coins estimated to be about 7 million ounces, that's 200 tons how much that thing weighs. estimated value, today's dollars, somewhere over $200 million. so that is a lot.
>> that is a lot of money. so silver is down there. the pictures you do think of the titanic when you look at that. >> you do. the technology has changed a lot, too. that's why they're able to do this. they're using robotic operated vehicles and they're submarines. they're going to use those to bring it up and hope to do that in the springtime. we'll have to wait and see. how did it get there? what's the story? this is an amazing story, as well. the merchant ship was traveling from calcutta, india to great britain in 1941. there was bad weather. this one ship got off course, and then it got sunk by a german u boat. >> i hear a movie in the making. don't you? >> seriously. there are more than 80 men on board. only one of them survived this whole thing. he was out on a lifeboat for about 13 days at sea. he's the only one that made it. >> what else do you have for us in terms of video? >> the next one is very cool. say ooh and ah before you see
this. it's an amazing, a laser light show. we've got pictures to show you of the aurora borealis taken up in north minnesota minnesota, a storm chaser, doug kiesling took these photos for you. look at the greens and the purples. >> that's the beautiful shot. >> shining over the lake. i love this. if you think that's beautiful, wait till you see this next video. let's roll that video. >> roll tape. >> roll tape. roll that magical bean footage. this is from the international space station. this is actually at the south pole. we call this aurora australia, basically the same thing but at the south pole opposed to the north pole. how does it happen to see these cool colors? basically, there's been a bunch of solar storms that have been going on. so the sun spews off these big flares and the past few weeks and it rees electrically charged particles that go towards the earth. those then get trapped in the
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the er doctor who pronounced michael jackson dead testified the pop superstar had signs of a dying heart and was clinically dead on arrival. ted rowlands has a recap of all the drama of week one and a look ahead to week two of the manslaughter trial. take a look. >> reporter: week two of the conrad murray trial will likely be picking up right where week one left off. on friday, we heard from the paramedics that reported to michael jackson's house after the 911 call was made. they told the jury that when they arrived, michael jackson was cold to the touch and that
never throughout their resuscitation process did they ever feel a pulse or see one on the heart monitor, but of course, the most damning evidence against murray from those paramedics was they asked him what drugs were in jackson's body and murray never mentioned propofol. we started to hear from one of the emergency room doctors at ucla on friday. we'll extend that testimony starting early next week. and the doctors at ucla are going to tell much the same story as the paramedics. they too asked murray what was in his body and again no mention of propofol at all. also likely we'll start to hear from the detectives assigned to the case. they will determine or detail to the jury their investigation throughout this. they've been sitting in the courtroom throughout the week, jurors are starting to get to know them because they've been referred to a couple times by the attorneys. now they'll really get to know them because they'll be on the stand for quite some time. later, we may hear from two of
dr. murray's girlfriends. one lives here in the los angeles area. that was the apartment that dr. murray was sending the propofol to through this. we'll hear from her likely and then we will hear from the other girlfriend in houston, texas, this was the woman that dr. murray was on the phone with when he realized that michael jackson was in trouble. >> thanks, ted. want to bring in legal analyst beth karas who was there in los angeles. she's been covering the trial all week for hln. more than a dozen witnesses in the first week and we mentioned during the break, richard senneff. he was asked, he asked what did you give this guy, meaning michael jackson and dr. murray said just a sedative. he noticed an iv. he noticed that michael jackson was extremely thin. they're in trouble here, it seems. >> well, indeed. richard senneff was a good
witness for the prosecution. what i found really telling was that he said the first question he asked when he sized up the scene in the bedroom, an iv pole, thin man laying in bed who appeared to be unresponsive. a doctor on site. he's like, are there dnr orders? do not resuscitate orders? he thought this might be somebody terminally ill. it looked like the scene of an ill person. well, michael jackson really was quite healthy. he was eating well. yes, he was a little bit thin, but he was still within the normal range. and that will come out later in the trial. so, i mean, he didn't have anything wrong with him. yet, he was being hydrated. it doesn't look good for the doctor. >> so down the road, what do you think the defense will be? that they will show that this is it video and that michael jackson was in good health and that he gave himself the propofol? is that the defense of conrad murray? >> actually the defense is going
to say he wasn't in good health and the prosecution is saying he was in good health. the defense is going to say that he self-administered whatever killed him. a combination of a sedative lorazepam and propofol. they're not saying exactly how he did it. they'll come up with that at some point presenting tear evidence. but he had a very high level of propofol in his body, much more consistent with a crude iv drip malfunctioning and a whole bottle just sort of spilling into his body. that's more consistent with the findings at autopsy. we'll have to see how they explain it. michael jackson never could have given himself the amount found in him assuming i understand the numbers correctly, and i'm consulting doctors about it. >> during the child molestation trial years ago, there was kind of a zoo-like feel outside of the courtroom with so many michael jackson fans because as you know, beth, he has fans worldwide. is it that way during this trial? do you see the fans gathering
outside the courtroom? >> oh, yes. they are gathering outside. they're not in the numbers in santa maria when michael himself was showing up at the molestation trial. especially on the first day. conrad murray also has supporters out there, and it gets kind of crazy on some days but has dissipated as the week went on. i think it will probably pick up at the end of the trial. >> it's a small courtroom. so you see the michael jackson family, they're there. we saw la toya jackson going in and only six people, there's a lottery that you can win that you can go in and sit in the trial? >> yes. the latter days of the week though, they increased it to eight. and the win tors have been mich jackson look alikes, people who dress like him, somebody from other countries, a high school school classmate of some of the other brothers the other day, people who are ardent fans and they sit in the back row which
is where i sit. and so they're all to my left. and they take notes. they cry sometimes. they're just so passionate about the this case. >> they're very strict in the courtroom though. you cannot wear any michael jackson paraphernalia. you do have a t-shirt on, have to turn it inside out. no pins, nothing, correct? >> right, that's correct. nothing that advocates one position or another. you know, conrad murray's mother is on the other side of the courtroom. obviously the jackson family is. it's the center of attention and i see jurors looking over at them periodically when they're filing in or sometimes when the lawyers are at sidebar, i see them glancing over there. everything is orderly. judge presiding over the case is strict but he's a very fair, very good judge. >> he is, and he's moving it along quickly. beth, great job in los angeles for us. thanks so much. as we mentioned, michael jackson's family has been attending the trial. when we come back, we'll discuss how they're coping and if they're showing up next week.
>> the well, dr. conrad murray stands trial in los angeles for involuntary manslaughter in the death of michael jackson, many wonder how the jackson family is coping and reacting to what is being said on the witness stand. wire entertainment editor alan duke has been keeping tabs on the jackson family. alan, who has attended the trial and who not next week?
>> well, just about all of them have been there at one point or another. katherine jackson has been there every day although she left early on friday because she had to pack. she's going out of town. catherine jackson has said she would be there every day she could but she's got other obligations. the estate has asked her to go to montreal which she is there right now for the opening of the cirque du solei michael jackson, the immortal tour premiere tomorrow night and on to ottawa for the second show. then she goes to card did i have, wales next weekend for the michael jackson tribute concert she's part of. she's also taking the three kids of michael jackson with her. but i expect that we will see jermaine and maybe randy will be the only jacksons we'll see next week. >> your heart goes out to all of the jackson family losing a brother and a son. but when we did see la toya come out of the car, it is a
spectacle when they do show up. i could imagine it does have an effect on the jurors to look and see the famous jackson family sitting there while the trial's going on. >> i think so but i have to say this jury is paying quite close attention to the witnesses. give them credit for that, taking very copious notes. speaking of writing things, people are wondering how are the jackson kids, michael's three kids handling this. it's very interesting and prince jackson who is 14 years old has a twitter account. he posted on twitter a message thursday night to his former chef. someone he was very close to who testified thursday. let me read this. it was in his -- i don't know if ki chase the chef will see this but everyone please try and get to her to see it. we love you, ki, and we miss you. that shows that prince at least is watching paying attention to some of this trial and that he misses the woman who cooked for him every day for a while. >> who can forget paris during
the funeral saying he was the best daddy and you just couldn't help but cry for those kids. it is just such a sad, sad case. what is standing out to you in the trial thus far? i think that the judge is doing an excellent job in moving this along fairly quickly. >> i knew that would happen because i've been watching this judge now for a long time in these hearings. he's limiting the scope, focusing the witnesses. he's keeping a tight rein on the lawyers, imposing a gag order on friday when one of the law partners of the lead lawyer gave an interview to the "today" show. this judge is a strict judge who's really watching and paying attention. we're not going to get an out of control trial here. >> seems like a nice guy but strict and moving it along. alan, thanks so much. and finally, we want to say congratulations to the man who usually sits right here in this seat, don lemon. tonight, don received the outstanding citizen award from the atlanta chapter of