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didn't believe the good, the good in him. >> it's going to be a tough time for you and your family for the next few weeks. i wish you luck, jermaine. thank you for being so honest. it's an extraordinary book. i appreciate you spending the time. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> it's been a pleasure. i'm susan hendricks at the cnn center in atlanta. don lemson off tonight. here's what's happening this hour, a story of determination, survival and luck has thrust the california family into the national spotlight. their father was missing somewhere in the thousands of square miles of the ang lus national forest and his four grown children did not give up,
they have found him. >> reporter: two cars mangled at the bottom of a ravine. that was the site of a family reunion unlike no other. one likely solved a missing person's case and saved a father's life. the worry began when the man being air lifted did not call his kids. >> oh, my god would never not call his kids. there is four of us. by the time, the fourth day, fifth day and sixth day, we knew something was wrong. >> reporter: so the children started searching on their own, pinpointing an area in california's ang lus national forest. the brothers and sisters with other family and friends began driving. >> we stopped at every ravine and looked over every hill. >> all of a sudden i just thought i heard a cat or a dog enough where i just said hello and it echoed down the hill. >> shawn lavau found his father
thursday. the 67-year-old man had been missing for six days. >> i hugged him and we both cried, and i said, you know, how did you make it? and he said i drank the water in the river and i ate leaves and bugs. >> he was heading this direction. another car was heading towards him. had bright lights on so he flashed the lights on the car. i believe at that point probably swerved, went off the road. >> david lavau ended up right next to another wrecked car with a decomposing body inside. the los angeles times reports he wrote on his dirty truck, quote, i love my kids. dead man was not my fault, love dad. the dead man is thinking has been missing. his daughter says she is thankful for answers. >> we may have never found him. we tried to prepare for the worst but hoped for the best. >> authorities have yet to confirm the body's identity. what is certain, david lavau
raised some determined kids. tina kim, cnn. >> he certainly did. our thanks to tina for that amazing story. barack obama will go down in history as the don't act, don't tell. as our athee na jones explains, some were hoping to hear more out of the president. >> the president spoke tonight before a crowd of merely 3,000 people for the human rights campaign's annual national dinner. he spoke about some of the steps his administration has taken like repealing don't ask, don't tell and passing a hate crimes prevention act. one thing many wanted to hear which is to hear the president come out strongly and publicly and confirm support of guy marriage. he didn't do that tonight. we didn't really expect him to. we have heard the president say
his position on guy marriage is evolving. but tonight he did speak about his efforts to continue to push for the repeal of the defensive marriage act. this is what he had to say. >> i vowed to keep up the fight against the so called defense of marriage act. there's a bill to repeal this discriminatory law in congress and i want to see that passed but until we reach that day, my administration is no longer defending. don't mind the courts i believe the law once counter the constitution and it's time for it to end once and for all. it should join don't ask don't tell in the history books. >> the president also received lots of cheers when he bashed republican candidates for saying silent when the american soldier was booed in the recent debate. >> we don't believe in a small america. we don't believe in the kind of smallness that says it's okay for a stage full of political
leaders, one of whom could end up being the president of the united states being silent when an american soldier is booed. we don't believe in that. we don't believe in standing silent when that happens. we don't believe in them being silent since. you want to be commander in chief, you can start by standing up for the men and women who wear the uniform of the united states, even when it's not politically convenient. >> now, it was certainly a big night. lots of cheers, great reception for the president. the human rights campaign has already endorsed the president for re-election. certainly his speech wouldn't have pleased everyone in the community. we have heard from the republicans and the freedom to marry group who both want to see the president come out and express his firm public support for guy marriage. but still a big event tonight.
>> certainly powerful words from the president. so would guy voters ever really abandon president obama for not supporting same sex marriage? we will ask one of the key members of the human rights campaign which invited him to speak tonight. that is just moments away. so stick around for that. the u.s. government believes the killing of a high-level al qaeda leader in yemen could provoke attacks against americans. the fbi and the state department are warning the killing could incite anti-american attacks inside the world and around the u.s. as well. a government official says he had been under surveillance in yemen for two weeks when the opportunity arose to kill him with a missile. among the other victims was another american considered vital to the al qaeda's efforts with his online english
magazine. even though he was an american citizen, the u.s. considered him a threat to homeland security. civil liberty groups say his killing violated u.s. and international laws. our chief white house correspondent takes a look at the legalities here. >> it's president obama's latest successful strike on a wanted al qaeda terrorist. >> the death of awlaki was the leader for al qaeda in the arabian. >> he was american. this may be the first u.s. killing of an american target with no trial, no indictment. >> the problem here is that the u.s. has done something that i don't think it's ever done before. it has killed one of its citizens somewhere else around the world without any due process at all. this is about rule of law and this is about rules. >> warren's organization sued to
take allow ki off the terror kill list and lost. the white house wouldn't offer a legal justification for targeting an american. >> this goes against the circumstances of his death and i'm not going to address that. >> an advisor to the u.s. state department explains the government's logic for killing anyone on the terrorist capture or kill list regardless of nationality. >> a state that has engaged in armed conflict or in legitimate self-defense is not required to provide targets or legal process before the state may use lethal force. >> there's no question this administration viewed alawki as a threat for some time. >> i considered al qaeda in t-- >> politically the white house has support from both parties. republican congressman peter king says, quote, it was entirely legal. and from a top democrat. >> it's legal, legitimate, and
we are taking out someone who has attempted to attack us on numerous occasions. >> so why won't the white house explain their legal justification for the killing? well, that would be a ta sit admission that the u.s. was involved in the killing and it would seem the obama administration wants to distance itself from an action that the yemeni people could perceive as foreign intervention in their country. it is also believed one of the other victims of friday's missile strike in yemen may be an explosives expert. a u.s. official says there are indications he was at the scene. he is suspected of making the so called underwater bomb worn by a nigeriian man in 2009. he is also to have been behind the failed plot to disguise printer cart ridges along airliners last october.
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and we live up to a creed that is as old as our founding out of many one and that includes everybody. that's what we believe. >> i get the chills when i hear about we are all in it together. the president was a keynote speaker at the human rights campaign dinner tonight. he is coming off a major guy rights victory with the repeal of the military's don't ask don't tell policy. that was huge taking effect less than two weeks ago. i want to welcome brian molten. brian, so glad to see you. i do get the chills when i hear president obama saying that we are all in it together. he believes in equality. what stood out to you tonight the most? there's probably a lot of things that did. >> sure. it was an amazing speech. i think the fact that he was able to talk about the success of don't ask don't tell with openly guy and lesbian service members in the room in uniform being able to stand up and applaud their commander in
chief. i thought that was powerful. also he spoke about him and the first lady standing up as examples for lgbt youth struggling with whether or not there is a real future for them and that the president stands with them. thinking to my teenage years how amazing it would have been to hear from a sitting president. >> there is still criticism out there because the president did not say yes i'm for gay marriage. would this drive away gay and lesbian voters? >> the president is saying he's evolving on marriage and we all would like him to evolve faster. it would be a powerful thing for him to support marriage forthrightly. doesn't take away from the amazing accomplishments we have seen in this presidency, on hate crimes protection, don't ask don't tell, hospital visitation protections, so many things. also the really strong commitment you heard from him tonight to keep pushing forward. to push for repealing the
federal defense of marriage act, to push for employment protections, the many things our community still needs. >> so the don't ask don't tell repeal is one thing. but to go a step forward, what do you think is preventing that? >> well, i think that he's continuing to consider the issue the way that a lot of americans are. a lot of our work is having those conversations. i just think hopefully, although, you know, can't look into my crystal ball but hopefully soon he will be there on the marriage issue as well. >> do you think barack obama has done more for gay rights than any other president in history? i'm guessing your answer is yes. >> absolutely. i think the record is incredibly strong and he really mentioned a lot of it in tonight's speech. we have seen so much progress in the last 2 1/2 years. >> what was the reaction to the speech tonight? i know you say you felt really positive about it and so did i and the excerpts that we did hear. what was the reaction overall in the room? >> the room was on their feet for most of the speech. it was tremendously well
received by our members. >> and why do you think that? do you think it is the don't ask don't tell repeal? what stuck out to me was when he said when that service member was booed and the people running for president, the republicans especially didn't step in and say something sooner and he said, look, if you want to be the leader of this country, you have to stand up and say something. these people are fighting for our country. >> absolutely. i think that is a stark example of the kind of advocate he is for our community in comparison to all the folks on those stages at those republican debates who, as he said, stood silently by while people booed a service member in a fear of war in iraq simply because he mentioned that he is a gay service member. >> it's almost like at the debate no one wanted to step in. it was sort of a pause feeling. brian, thanks so much on your feedback on tonight's speech. we certainly do appreciate it.
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his attorney says the u.s. doesn't have a right to get him back because he's now a portuguese citizen. susan candiotti retraces wright's steps to learn how authorities found him after so long. >> this rural seaside town is the backdrop for a fugitive living with a secret for more than four decades. looking nothing like he did in the early 60s when he was still a teenager, george wright, now 68, was rate offed and sent to portugal after breakfast at this bakery. about eight officers in plain clothes surrounded him, this man says. they did it quietly and he didn't put a fight. reviving the case in 2002, u.s. marshals and the fbi tracked wright to portugal through travel patterns they were examining, a law enforcement source tells cnn. u.s. authorities say they in turn matched a fingerprint from a portuguese national i.d. database to one they had on file for wright in prison. and set up a delicate
surveillance operation to make sure they had the man who had eluded them for so long. wright was convicted of killing a decorated world war ii vet during a gas station robbery. serving time in new jersey, he escaped in 1970. hiding out in detroit where he joined the black liberation army. in 1972, wright hijacked a delta flight from detroit to miami. he had a gun and a cutout bible and posed as a priest to take over the flight with four others. >> i went back to the lavatory, and as i came out of the lavatory, the stewardess was in the forward buffet with one of the hijackers which i didn't know at this time. and i asked her for a coffee and he turned around and pointed a gun and says they want you in the cockpit. >> at miami international airport, fbi agents forced to wear bathing suits to prove they were unarmed delivered a million
dollar ransom. at that time, a record amount. passengers were let go, but the flight crew was ordered to fly to boston to pick up a navigator before going on to al jeers. algeria returned the ran some money to the u.s. but wright and his buddies were allowed to stay in algeria. wright eventually settled in this town in portugal and used the name jorge dos santos. townspeople say he held several jobs and even owned restaurants. he was married and had children. he blended in, even as a foreigner. >> he was pleasant, this woman says, and when he spoke to his wife and children, he used english, not portuguese. his capture is a relief for the daughter of william paterson who was killed by wright at the gas station 40 years ago. >> there was no dad there at graduation. there was no daddy to walk us down the aisle. grandchildren didn't have a grandfather. you know, it's a big void. it's a big empty spot. >> saying he's a portuguese citizen, wright is fighting to
stay put but the u.s. wants him back. to finish a murder sentence and face other charges including that hijacking decades ago. the legal process could take weeks, months, or even longer. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. >> and we will hear much more firsthand about the fear inside of that plane that was hijacked by wright when we talk with passengers on board that day back in 1972. you won't want to miss that. that's sunday night, tomorrow night. hundreds of people are arrested in new york while protesting what they are calling greed and corruption on wall street. that and more top stories are next. but first this. a fight over a longer school day has chicago mayor rahm emanuel at odds with the teachers union. emmanuel wants to lengthen the school days which are among the shortest in the country at under six hours. talks between the school system and the teachers union broke down this month. but six public elementary
schools did vote for 7 1/2 hour days and they will get $150,000 and a 2% raise for teachers, as well. education contributor steve perry has more on the squabble. >> reporter: chicago schools as a city are performing just as poorly as many of the others and worse than quite a few. and many chicagoans are upset about that. therefore i believe mayor rahm emanuel is on the right track saying listen, i want the best teachers in and i don't want to be hamstringed by a union. he tried to sit down with the union and say what can we do? we're all in this together. you guys have been in charge of the situation for generations now. what can we do differently? as they typically do, they folded their arms and say we're doing what we've been doing. we're not going to give an inch and they were put on the sidelines. one of the most exciting things about what mayor rahm emanuel is doing is he's saying listen, i'm going to forego the leadership
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checking the headlines for you, authorities in ocean ridge, florida, are investigating a suspicious package delivered to the home of vice president joe biden's brother, the bomb squad and hazmat, hazardous materials team, were dispatched to examine the package, which was leaking powder. the fbi has taken custody of the item for examination. no injuries reported. you are looking at a showdown on the brooklyn bridge that led to the arrest of some 400 anti-wall street protesters today. demonstrators chanted the world is watching. as new york city police moved in. they were taken into custody for disorderly conduct and blocking traffic. the so-called occupy wall street demonstrations are entering
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while trying to catch it. there's that hug. right after the break, the richest sunken treasure ever found. a british ship torpedoed into world war ii has been located with 200 tons of silver on board. video of the sunken ship is just ahead. you don't want to miss it. but first in tonight's making their mark, urban camping the legal way, check this out from san francisco's haight ashbury district. it's a twin bed in a parking spot compliment of bennett austin who feeds the meeter to let homeless kids sleep there. it's also a clever way around the city's law which forbids people sitting or sleeping on sidewalks from morning till late evening. >> i i think instead of putting laws in place to push the problem away, we should be putting more efforts to changing it and coming up with a solution. >> bennett has also collect around $700 in donations for a
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they found him, it led to the rescue to david lavou. right now on the line is sean, the son who actually spotted his father, sean, thanks so much for calling in and for speaking to us. we understand your dad went through surgery. how is he doing? >> thank you for asking. he's really doing incredible. he's always been an amazing fighter. he just actually literally 15 minutes ago got wheeled in from recovery. and like i said, just maybe five minutes ago, he just kind of opened his eyes lightly and just looked at us with those big blue eyes and knowing that we know he's going to be okay. >> not only is your father a fighter, but i think that you, sean and your entire family are fighters. take us through the day when you realized your dad was missing and what your family did to find him to not give up.
>> well, i mean, i don't know how much time. we realized wednesday morning that a friend of his that he did not show up to the orange county fair which is something he looks forward to all year. and right when we got that phone call, it just -- we didn't mess around. my sister said, is my dad with you? his friend hasn't picked him up. then she said no. i thought he was with you. we ended up calling my other sister in san francisco lisa. and she said no. we ended up waiting for my sister heading to mexico, just caught them in the nick of time. it's amazing how life is because if we would not have the caught them, we would have waited till they landed in five or six hours later which would have took more time away from finding our father. but we caught them actually on the plane as the plane was closing its doors that she said
no, i do not have dad with us. and that we put into -- i can't explain it but 911 mode and right away, less than an hour, family got together already was at the sheriff, did a missing person's report. and once we did the report, had told us what it was going to take to really get this file going, you know, it could be two to three days realistically from it being transferred to the other sheriff's station and from the sheriff's station going down to downtown l.a. >> time was ticking as i understand, sean, because you had to find your dad. real quickly, what was he alert? what was his first words? what did he say? >> when we actually found him? >> yes. >> oh, we're moving forward. yeah, when we actually found him is at the top of the hill, and i thought i heard something and i just said hello.
i just heard help, real faint help and then he said it again. i just realized it was my dad and you know, this hill, i don't know if your viewers can actually saw the video, but it was impossible for me to go down. i couldn't think of how to do it. >> we're looking at it right now. when you finally got to him, was he alert? >> yes, shockingly, he was. he just looked at me and right away, i just went and i just hugged him. he just started crying. i started crying. and we just looked at each other and he said i can't believe it's you. it's really you. >> we are so happy that it ended that way, that he said i can't believe it's you. it's really you. we hope we're table to talk to your father and hear from his side. we're so happy for your entire family. thanks for calling into cnn. we appreciate it. >> have a good night. >> you, too.
cnn's jacqui jeras has been investigating the stories behind these incredible images. start with the sunken ship we've been talking about. >> this is really amaze. not just because of how much loot could potentially be on this thing but also because of how deep it is on the ocean floor. what is it? that's a world war ii british merchant ship discovered about 300 miles off the coast of ireland. it's sitting three miles deep on the ocean floor. that's deeper than the tie tannic which as you look at those pictures, isn't that what you think about a little bit? there's this company called odyssey marine exploration company. if they can safely bring the cargo up to the surface, they think it's going to be the deepest and largest precious cargo haul ever lost at sea. what is it? what's on board? not gold. it's silver actually. they think there's big silver bars and coins estimated to be about 7 million ounces, that's 200 tons how much that thing weighs. estimated value, today's
dollars, somewhere over $200 million. so that is a lot. >> that is a lot of money. so silver is down there. the pictures you do think of the titanic when you look at that. >> you do. the technology has changed a lot, too. that's why they're able to do this. they're using robotic operated vehicles and they're submarines. they're going to use those to bring it up and hope to do that in the springtime. we'll have to wait and see. how did it get there? what's the story? this is an amazing story, as well. the merchant ship was traveling from calcutta, india to great britain in 1941. there was bad weather. this one ship got off course, and then it got sunk by a german u boat. >> i hear a movie in the making. don't you? >> seriously. there are more than 80 men on board. only one of them survived this whole thing. he was out on a lifeboat for about 13 days at sea. he's the only one that made it. >> what else do you have for us in terms of video?
>> the next one is very cool. say ooh and ah before you see this. it's an amazing, a laser light show. we've got pictures to show you of the aurora borealis taken up in northern minnesota, a storm chaser, doug kiesling took these photos for you. look at the greens and the purples. >> that's the beautiful shot. >> shining over the lake. i love this. if you think that's beautiful, wait till you see this next video. let's roll that video. >> roll tape. >> roll tape. roll that magical bean footage. this is from the international space station. this is actually at the south pole. we call this aurora australia, basically the same thing but at the south pole opposed to the north pole. how does it happen to see these cool colors? basically, there's been a bunch of solar storms that have been going on. so the sun spews off these big flares and the past few weeks
and it releases electrically charged particles that go towards the earth. those then get trapped in the earth's magnetic field and they kind of funnel down towards the poles. the result gives off these really cool glowing lights. >> you said have you ever seen it? i said no, now i have. >> now you have. >> it's a sight to see. >> something very different when you see it on the ground as opposed to seeing it from the space station. i grew up in minnesota so the i did get to see it a couple of times. i just loved it. it's so gorgeous. >> beautiful no matter what. thanks. well, he is accused coming up, of taking the singer michael jackson, his life with a lethal dose of drugs propofol. next the high profile trial of dr. conrad murray. y. two million data points. this is what we can gather from a lexus crash test genius. [ engine revving ]
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the er doctor who pronounced michael jackson dead testified the pop superstar had signs of a dying heart and was clinically dead on arrival. ted rowlands has a recap of all the drama of week one and a look ahead to week two of the involuntary manslaughter trial. take a look. >> reporter: week two of the conrad murray trial will likely be picking up right where week one left off. on friday, we heard from the paramedics that reported to michael jackson's house after the 911 call was made. they told the jury that when they arrived, michael jackson
was cold to the touch and that never throughout their resuscitation process did they ever feel a pulse or see one on the heart monitor, but of course, the most damning evidence against murray from those paramedics was they asked him what drugs were in jackson's body and murray never mentioned propofol. we started to hear from one of the emergency room doctors at ucla on friday. we'll extend that testimony starting early next week. and the doctors at ucla are going to tell much the same story as the paramedics. they too asked murray what was in his body and again no mention of propofol at all. also likely we'll start to hear from the detectives assigned to the case. they will determine or detail to the jury their investigation throughout this. they've been sitting in the courtroom throughout the week, jurors are starting to get to know them because they've been referred to a couple times by the attorneys. now they'll really get to know them because they'll be on the stand for quite some time.
later, we may hear from two of dr. murray's girlfriends. one lives here in the los angeles area. that was the apartment that dr. murray was sending the propofol to through this. we'll hear from her likely and then we will hear from the other girlfriend in houston, texas, this was the woman that dr. murray was on the phone with when he realized that michael jackson was in trouble. >> thanks, ted. want to bring in legal analyst beth karas who was there in los angeles. she's been covering the trial all week for hln. more than a dozen witnesses in the first week and we mentioned during the break, richard senneff. he was asked, he asked what did you give this guy, meaning michael jackson and dr. murray said just a sedative. he noticed an iv. he noticed that michael jackson was extremely thin. they're in trouble here, it seems. >> well, indeed. richard senneff was a good
witness for the prosecution. what i found really telling was that he said the first question he asked when he sized up the scene in the bedroom, an iv pole, thin man laying in bed who appeared to be unresponsive. a doctor on site. he's like, are there dnr orders? do not resuscitate orders? he thought this might be somebody terminally ill. it looked like the scene of an ill person. well, michael jackson really was quite healthy. he was eating well. yes, he was a little bit thin, but he was still within the normal range. and that will come out later in the trial. so, i mean, he didn't have anything wrong with him. yet, he was being hydrated. it doesn't look good for the doctor. >> so down the road, what do you think the defense will be? that they will show that this is it video and that michael jackson was in good health and that he gave himself the propofol? is that the defense of conrad murray?
>> actually the defense is going to say he wasn't in good health and the prosecution is saying he was in good health. the defense is going to say that he self-administered whatever killed him. a combination of a sedative lorazepam and propofol. they're not saying exactly how he did it. they'll come up with that at some point when they are presenting their evidence. but he had a very high level of propofol in his body, much more consistent with a crude iv drip malfunctioning and a whole bottle just sort of spilling into his body. that's more consistent with the findings at autopsy. we'll have to see how they explain it. michael jackson never could have given himself the amount found in him assuming i understand the numbers correctly, and i'm consulting doctors about it. >> during the child molestation trial years ago, there was kind of a zoo-like feel outside of the courtroom with so many michael jackson fans because as you know, beth, he has fans worldwide.
is it that way during this trial? do you see the fans gathering outside the courtroom? >> oh, yes. they are gathering outside. they're not in the numbers in santa maria when michael himself was showing up at the molestation trial. especially on the first day. conrad murray also has supporters out there, and it gets kind of crazy on some days but has dissipated as the week went on. i think it will probably pick up at the end of the trial. >> it's a small courtroom. so you see the michael jackson family, they're there. we saw la toya jackson going in and only six people, there's a lottery that you can win that you can go in and sit in the trial? >> yes. the latter days of the week though, they increased it to eight. and the winners have been michael jackson look alikes, people who dress like him, somebody from
other countries, a high school school classmate of some of the other brothers the other day, people who are ardent fans and they sit in the back row which is where i sit. and so they're all to my left. and they take notes. they cry sometimes. they're just so passionate about the this case. >> they're very strict in the courtroom though. you cannot wear any michael jackson paraphernalia. you do have a t-shirt on, have to turn it inside out. no pins, nothing, correct? >> right, that's correct. nothing that advocates one position or another. you know, conrad murray's mother is on the other side of the courtroom. obviously the jackson family is. it's the center of attention and i see jurors looking over at them periodically when they're filing in or sometimes when the lawyers are at sidebar, i see them glancing over there. everything is orderly. judge presiding over the case is strict but he's a very fair, very good judge. >> he is, and he's moving it along quickly. beth, great job in los angeles for us. thanks so much. as we mentioned, michael jackson's family has been attending the trial. when we come back, we'll discuss how they're coping and if they're showing up next week.
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>> the well, dr. conrad murray stands trial in los angeles for involuntary manslaughter in the death of michael jackson, many wonder how the jackson family is coping and reacting to what is being said on the witness stand. wire entertainment editor alan duke has been keeping tabs on the jackson family. alan, who has attended the trial
and who not next week? >> well, just about all of them have been there at one point or another. katherine jackson has been there every day although she left early on friday because she had to pack. she's going out of town. catherine jackson has said she would be there every day she could but she's got other obligations. the estate has asked her to go to montreal which she is there right now for the opening of the cirque du solei michael jackson, the immortal tour premiere tomorrow night and on to ottawa for the second show. then she goes to wales next weekend for the michael jackson tribute concert she's part of. she's also taking the three kids of michael jackson with her. but i expect that we will see jermaine and maybe randy will be the only jacksons we'll see next week. >> your heart goes out to all of the jackson family losing a brother and a son. but when we did see la toya come out of the car, it is a
spectacle when they do show up. i could imagine it does have an effect on the jurors to look and see the famous jackson family sitting there while the trial's going on. >> i think so but i have to say this jury is paying quite close attention to the witnesses. give them credit for that, taking very copious notes. speaking of writing things, people are wondering how are the jackson kids, michael's three kids handling this. it's very interesting and prince jackson who is 14 years old has a twitter account. he posted on twitter a message thursday night to his former chef. someone he was very close to who testified thursday. let me read this. it was in his -- i don't know if ki chase the chef will see this but everyone please try and get to her to see it. we love you, ki, and we miss you. that shows that prince at least is watching paying attention to some of this trial and that he misses the woman who cooked for him every day for a while. >> who can forget paris during
the funeral saying he was the best daddy and you just couldn't help but cry for those kids. it is just such a sad, sad case. what is standing out to you in the trial thus far? i think that the judge is doing an excellent job in moving this along fairly quickly. >> i knew that would happen because i've been watching this judge now for a long time in these hearings. he's limiting the scope, focusing the witnesses. he's keeping a tight rein on the lawyers, imposing a gag order on friday when one of the law partners of the lead lawyer gave an interview to the "today" show. this judge is a strict judge who's really watching and paying attention. we're not going to get an out of control trial here. >> seems like a nice guy but strict and moving it along. alan, thanks so much. and finally, we want to say congratulations to the man who usually sits right here in this seat, don lemon. tonight, don received the outstanding citizen award from the atlanta chapter of glaad.