tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 3, 2011 10:00pm-11:00pm EDT
naturally, i just thought everything was good. ♪ billie jean is not my lover >> an incredible show based on the life of an incredible entertainer. that's all for now. ac 360 starts right now. breaking news tonight from italy, the best news imaginable for the family of amanda knox, in just a few hours, she'll be heading home. here's how that happy ending began. just imagine the emotion behind this shot as the verdict came in. overturning her murder conviction in the death of her roommate, meredith kercher. ending nearly four years from behind bars. >> translator: the greatest offense the charges a, b, c, d and with regard to e, because
the fight didn't happen. so we're overturned. so knox amanda is free and raffaele as well. >> knox and her boyfriend are both exonerated on murder charges. the court's upholding knox's slander conviction but sentencing her to time served. the jury, which also included two judges, had powerful incentive to overturn, including evidence casting doubt on the state's dna evidence. and amanda knox's own words earlier today. [ speaking italian ]
>> outside the courtroom competing outcries from onlookers shouting victory, victory as the legal team laughed, others yelling shame, shame. amanda's sister deanna read a brief family statement. >> we're thankful for the support we have received from all over the world. people who took time to research the case and could see that amanda and raffaele were innocent. and last we are thankful to the
court for having the courage to look for the truth and to overturn this conviction. >> knox said nothing herself after leaving the prison in a two-car convoy after picking up her belongings and saying good-bye. she's in rome preparing to leave sometime early local time for seattle. matthew chance was in perugia when the verdict came in. where is amanda knox right now and do we know what her plans are for the next few hours? >> reporter: it's an undisclosed location. we understand she's staying at a villa with her family. she's reuniting with her family and friends that have come over to support her. celebrating her dramatic acquittal from these murder charges and release from a 26-year prison sentence. "suspect she's got a lot to talk about, a lot to celebrate. her plans, according to the family, the lawyers that we've spoken to, she wants to get home as soon as possible back to seattle so she can pick up, you know, the pieces of her shattered life.
it's something that she said she wanted to do since she was arrested four years ago, since she was sentenced in 2009 for the killing of meredith kercher. >> i imagine you were in the courtroom. i was watching on television. i couldn't tell what the reaction in the court was. i heard all these sounds but it was very hard to kind of understand whether people were yelling at her or for her. what was it like? >> it was very emotional indeed. the sounds that you could hear in the court were the sort of hoots and yelps and cheers of the knox family. they were the only ones making the noise really. they were so euphoric. they couldn't believe that this nightmare for them had come to an end. amanda knox herself was overwhelmed with emotion. she could barely walk she was crying so much as they escorted her out of court. she was very much overcome with emotion of the moment. very tense situation because also the kerchers were in the courtroom and the sister of
meredith kercher, the mother of meredith kercher, the murdered girl as well. and they had the opposite reaction. they were very upset, very sad, and they were crying because of this acquittal. >> they feel like she's the forgotten victim in all of this. we're going to give you a profile of meredith kercher a little bit later on in the program on this day when the family of amanda knox is celebrating, we want to remember the family of another victim in all of this, meredith kercher. that's coming up. matthew, thank you. i want to turn to drew given who is in amanda's home town seattle and jeffrey toobin and former l.a. deputy district attorney marcia clark author of the book "guilt by association." jeff, in your opinion, was this the correct verdict? >> absolutely. i mean, this was really a terrible case. there were two pieces of evidence against her. there was this confession that was clearly discombobulated and false and a piece of dna that was completely discredited, plus
the real killer is in prison. rudy guede has all his dna, his blood at the scene and the prosecution of amanda knox and her boyfriend seemed inexplicable to me. >> a lot has hinged on dna evidence that was later reversed or later ruled basically useless. >> yeah, exactly. anderson, it's one of these things that you look at. wow, why did nobody look at this at the time of trial? why did it get this far if it was this badly handled? we found it was. they have a different system there. at trial, unlike here, where we weed it out before we get to court. there it seemed as though they go to trial, then weed it out on appeal. here appeal is a very limited thing. they have a different balance. the bad news about that system is people go to prison and sit in jail waiting for an appeal that probably shouldn't be there. >> she already served four years. >> what made today so incredibly
dramatic is in the italian system, the stakes were much higher than usual. the court could have increased her sentence. in an american appeal, you can't get a longer sentence. but the italian prosecutors asked for a life sentence. she was looking at anywhere between life and going home today. >> incredible. the pressure must have been extraordinary. drew, you're in in amanda knox's hometown of seattle. what are you hearing from friends and family and people there? >> they're just elated that this nightmare is finally over. looking forward to her coming home, hopefully tomorrow. hoping to hear from her, although the family has told us in the past that they were going to let amanda knox to decide when and if she talks to the media. they'll concerned about the pressure she'll be under when she does get back to the states. >> interesting to watch the courtroom. seemed like chaos, seemed so disorganized compared to a u.s. courtrm. >> doesn't it? i was impressed by the same thing. people were just milling around. >> who are all these people and
what are they doing? >> so crowded in there you could barely see here. they engulf her. >> i got a kick out of the crucifix behind the judge. that's not what you'd see in an american courtroom. >> are you surprised that she's still spending -- she's spending the night on italian soil? there was talk of her trying to get out right away. i don't know her access to planes. >> she's probably getting out right away. she couldn't book the flight until she knew what the verdict was. maybe she is getting out as soon as she can. >> what's the expectation for the next 24 to 48 hours? do we know, is she going to return directly to seattle? >> that's the plan. the family had been talking about a big barbecue. she's a barbecue fan. her stepfather brought her barbecue when she was in that prison outside of perugia. that is the plan. but again, they say that amanda knox, even though this case is huge and even though she had access, that amanda really didn't know how big this case was internationally in scope, and they are very concerned about how she'll handle it.
anderson, i just want to point out to your viewers, i sat down with this prosecutor, and to understand how it got to this point, have you to understand this man. in my interview, he was a guy who would step over the obvious path that the evidence led to and look for a conspiracy theories to explain how this evidence could fit into his version of what this crime was. and i think a lot of how this came to this point, this four years in prison was developed out of giuliano manini's mind and his conspiracy theories that he just would not shake, even though the evidence was pointing in different directions. >> i remember that interview. correct me if i'm wrong, i vaguely recall him saying when i went to the crime scene, my instinct had told me she had done it. >> yeah. he showed up on the very first day, amanda knox and raffaele sollecito were comforting themselves outside the apartment. from that moment, he knew somehow those two people were guilty.
when the evidence came back, remember, patrick lumumba was also arrested. based on the confession of amanda knox. the police had just checked her own confession, which she said was coerced, they would have known that patrick lumumba had an airtight alibi. he was running his bar with a lot of people in the bar that night. they had to let him go. the dna comes back and they still include raffaele sollecito and amanda knox even though none of that forensic evidence was there. to prove they were at the crime scene. >> why do people give confessions that are false to police? we hear this time and time again. people always ask that question. i would never confess to the police. how does that happen? >> until you're under the gun, until you're a -- especially look at her, for example. a young girl in a foreign country who feels very alone and very frightened. and perhaps is being -- on some level, whether it's implicit or
explicit, is being assured that if she does admit some culpability, it will be better for her if she dels the truth right now, there's that promise and threat if you don't tell the truth, as they see it, it will get much worse for her. picture her alone in that situation. >> happens all the time. >> even to people who under normal circumstances would be no, there's no way i would ever do that. >> keep in mind that she's 20 years old. she's only been in italian for two months and her italian is shaky at best. and she's being interrogated in italian. >> the idea that this was some sort of sexcapade on the part of her boyfriend and her, she was only dating this guy you revealed in your report, for eight days. >> that's absolutely right. and in our interview with the prosecutor, he said, he sloughed it off, he said, i have no idea where that whole sex orgy thing came from. he was quoted as being the source of that. back to the point of the
confession, amanda knox told her parents -- and this is why her parents were also in trouble because they repeated this -- the police harangued her for 15 hours. she didn't speak fluent italian like she does now back when this happened. according to her, she said she was asked to imagine what could have happen. i talk to other people who are interrogated by manini. they said, listen, in separate crimes we were asked to imagine what would happen. and i have the amanda knox confession, which by the way was thrown out of court. in it she says at the very end, i do not remember if meredith was screaming and if i heard some thuds, too, because i was upset, but i imagine what could have happened. i'm not sure what happened in this confession, but it was after many, many hours of interrogation when she says she was in a room with limited translation being provided by a police officer, not an actual italian to english translator. >> drew, appreciate your reporting, thank you.
jeff as well, marcia clark, thanks for being here. let me know what you think, i'll be tweeting during the course of this hour @andersoncooper. up next, how doubts about dna evidence helped free amman saturday knox. we'll be joined by an expert for idaho's innocence project and we'll take a look at the victim in all this, meredith kercher, not forgetting her tonight. rick perry's old hunting grounds. the old name of the place is a racial slur. the sign was painted over decades ago. "the washington post" says it's closer to current events. keeping them honest. first let's check in with isha sesay. >> it's already high drama, but today some of the most gripping testimony yet in the trial of michael jackson's doctor. two emergency room doctors taking the stand telling jurors what happened as they try to revive their patient. and they say what crucial fact that conrad murray failed to mention. that's why right here, in australia,
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perugia where the murder took place and where the two women shared an apartment. as you've seen already, this is being viewed as vindication for amanda knox, recognition that justice was not done in her original trial. for some it is a way of saying that justice was not done either, for the victim. meredith kercher's family feels she's become the forgotten victim. >> it's very difficult to keep her memory alive in all of this. >> kercher was just 21 when she was raped and murdered, her body found partially naked, her throat slashed. >> the brutality of what actually happened that night and everything that meredith must have felt that night, everything she went through, the fear and the terror and not knowing why, and she didn't deserve that. no one deserves that. >> kercher was the youngest of four kids. growing up she loved poetry, gymnastics and ballet. >> she was nice.
she was clever, and there's not enough metaphors to say how nice she was. >> her friends and family remember kercher as someone who always cared for others, always wanting to lend a helping hand. >> things like her birthday and christmas. and her absence is huge really. >> kercher, a third year student at the university of leeds was in italy to study european politics and italian. to raise money for the trip, she worked a job at gatwick airport near her home south of london. her father john told the "daily telegraph," she fought so hard to get out there. there were quite a few setbacks, but she was determined to go and kept persisting and eventually got what she wanted. once in perugia, she moved into this villa with amanda knox. >> she were friends, but i wouldn't say that close. they were moving in different circles and at different levels as well. >> for kercher the study abroad
program in italy was the opportunity of a lifetime, until that violent night her life and future were stolen. now that an italian jury has thrown out the murder convictions of knox and her then boyfriend raffaele sollecito, kercher's family is left wondering whether justice was served. >> it is difficult to speak of forgiveness at this point. four years on the one hand is a very long time. on the other, it's still very raw. >> we need to find out what happened. it's not really a question of reaching out or, you know, joining them in anything. it is to find out what happened to meredith. and to get some justice for her really. >> it's hard to imagine your daughter dying in a far away land and feeling that you don't know what really happened even four years after the murder. let's dig deeper now in the scientific evidence the prosecutors continued to
maintain that tied amanda and her boyfriend to the crime, the same evidence that the appeals judges felt wanting. greg hampikian, the director of the idaho innocence project. thanks for being with us. you said amanda knox and raffaele sollecito, her then-boyfriend, should have been released four years ago because the scientific evidence just wasn't there to support the prosecution's case. how so? >> i think we see the tragedy of misapplied science in that you've shown the kerchers -- they're now in a state of just utter despair because they were led down a certain road. but the dna that was done the day of the murder in that room where their daughter was killed was done perfectly well. i've watched all the videos and seen the collection and gone through all the analysis. all of that dna pointed to rudy guede, one person. and the tragedy here is that gut feeling, the gut feeling of the prosecutor trumped the science. and because of that, we have
added more victims to this crime. you have three families devastated. and you have the first victim's family in this terrible state where they don't know who to trust now. so that's the problem when you refuse to give up a gut feeling when the science comes back and shows you you were wrong. >> you got involved in this case back in 2009. you conducted tests basically re-creating how the police collected the evidence. what did that show you? >> we collected tests where i told my research associates to change their gloves every other time, every other piece of evidence. kind of -- we didn't see them change gloves much at all in the video. when they did that, we saw the same type of contamination that was seen in this case. we saw innocent dna from some soda cans we collected from the staff of my dean's office ended up on some knives because my staff was only changing their gloves every other piece of evidence. >> so wait a minute. explain that to me.
>> sure. >> what's the important of changing the gloves? >> well, you know, the principle of dna transfer is that it is so easy to move dna. if i want to move your fingerprint from a glass, your traditional fingerprint, it's impossible or difficult at least. but dna, i just have to rub it with my finger and rub it on to a gun or a knife, and now your dna is moved. if i'm wearing a glove, the only dna that shows up is your dna that i transferred from your soda can, from your skin. we showed that's what happened, especially when you do what they did in italy. they did not stick with the traditional cutoff, which is if, what we call 200 rf views or 150. they went down to a very low level. we did that in my laboratory, we saw contamination. >> that's a level of dna. >> yeah. i'm sorry to use -- >> that's okay. >> that's the relative
fluorescent unit. so for example the fbi says that they won't report to incriminate someone levels that are below 200. my lab, we use 150 as our cutoff. we validated that. some labs go down to 100. i've seen a few that have validated their approach to 50. but in this case, they looked at the knife that implicated amanda, they looked for meredith kercher's dna, didn't find it at 200, lowered it to 100. and then brought it down to something like 15. and if i do that in my lab, i'm going to find my kid's dna transferred on my hands. >> that's amazing. >> such small levels. yeah. so that's why we set those levels. we set them at levels -- the fbi says, we're sure when we do it at this level, it's real. and unfortunately, the gut feeling was supported by bad science in this case. it's ruined two more families. it will take them a long time to get over this.
>> yeah, it sure will. fascinating stuff. i appreciate your expertise. >> thanks. up next tonight, thick clouds of black smoke caused by a fire in a chemical plant in texas, forced a nearby school in a neighborhood to evacuate. take a look at those images. the latest on . conrad murray's trial. the death trial of michael jackson. from the doctors in the emergency room who tried to save his life.
coming up, rick perry on the defensive over racially charged campaign controversy. we're keeping them honest. first isha with a 360 bulletin. >> preliminary tests show no threat to the public from a fire at a texas chemical plant. residents in waxahachie, texas, were evacuated including a school. the cause of the fire isn't known. no one was injured. more dates being set in the republican presidential race. south carolina has scheduled its primary for january 31st. last week florida scheduled its primary for late january violating the republican party calendar rules that say only iowa, new hampshire and south carolina and nevada can hold primaries before march 6th. a man died just days before being announced a winner. ralph steinman died. he died of pancreatic cancer on friday. the nobel prize committee was unaware of his death when they
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it was the older name the ranch governor perry has hunted on for years and that his father invested in in 1993. the name is crooked river ranch. the old name, as we said, was offensive. herman cain was asked about it after it surfaced in "the washington post." >> the name of the place is called nigger head. that's very insensitive. since governor perry has been going there for years to hunt, i think it shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off that rock and renaming the place. that's a case of insensitivity. >> cain has since backed away from his words saying he's satisfied with perry's explanation and he's neither attacking the governor nor playing the race card, that's a quote. as for the governor, he's taken strong exception to the "post" story, his campaign putting out a statement in part, "a number of claims made in the story are incorrect 37 inconsistent and anonymous.
as for the last part, anonymous sourcing, that is true. they make no attempt to conceal it. perry's father painted over the offensive name back in 1983 or '84. "the post" cites seven people most anonymously, some who say they saw the word more recently. keeping them honest, their recollections of when they saw it range from the 1980s to the 1990s to as little as three years ago. the perry campaign said the word was painted over no later than '83 or '84. there's a lot of daylight between the two sides. here to talk about it erick erickson, former ed of of redstate.com, ari fleischer, now a cnn contributor and available on twitter. and also political analyst and devoted texan, roland martin. perry's supporters are saying, this is basically slanderous, this article. nobody's saying that rick perry chose this name of the farm or of the ranch or painted it on that rock. is he getting a raw deal here? >> first of all, to suggest it's slanderous makes no sense. the reality is there are people who are saying -- some people were quoted, their names used,
in that "washington post" story that that was a name on a rock. it was very visible. he said we painted over it. and so look, if you're the campaign and you say there are some inconsistent statements, but you know what? you knock them down, you knock them out of the way. so therefore, i read their statement. but look, you must knock this thing down, be very clear and at the end of the day, is the rock still there? are you still going there? and remove it. it makes no sense. forget painting over it. just destroy it. it makes no sense at all. >> erik eriq, you agree with the critics who said this is slanderous. slanderous how so? >> well, you know, this is an attack on rick perry trying to paint him as a racist. these come up all the time. i don't think anyone who knows rick perry would think he's a racist. to be fair here, his father didn't invest in this property. it was a hunting lease, which are pretty common in a lot of plays. and you just have access to the land to hunt on, you don't
control or manage or own it. the statement that the rock may or may not have been seen, i haven't seen any pictures of the rock to see what its current condition is. i don't know that there are any current pictures of it. his father painted over it, the paint faded, someone tipped the rock over at some point or someone did. the rock was set up again. to tie this in to rick perry and say that rick perry is a racist or this is the product of being raised in the south or in west texas, it's really making a mountain out what i really think is a mole hill. >> ari, you think the impression that perry is being unfairly attacked may actually help him here? >> there's a conservative rallying to rick perry and a backlash. i think it's in large part because what erick's talking about, there's this sense in republican politics no matter what you do, you'll get accused of being a racist. when it happens, people rally. but there is another side of it here and that's sensitivity. i do think, for heaven's sake, if you're african-american and
you heard that somebody had a piece of land even though they didn't own it and they didn't name it, that had that name on it, of course, that's going to get your back up. that's human nature and understandable. but to defend the governor here, it is a fact, he didn't name it, he didn't own it. he had 2% of that entire ranch that he got to use for hunting. i asked the perry campaign today why didn't they just get rid of the rock. apparently it's some gigantic bolder. not the type of thing that you can just throw out. the intention was clear in the '80s, 30 years ago when they said they painted it over, that they objected to the name. that's what's most important here. >> anderson, look, here's the deal. i totally understand what ari said. but isn't it is a question of what you do in your own life? it's no different to me than if somebody decides to join an all-male golf club or a golf club that excludes african-americans, it is going to come up. so it speaks to an individual. so is this going to be, to me, a long-lasting story? no, of course not. herman cain has backed off of it. no other republican candidates are making an issue out of it.
no doubt if you're on the republican side, the last thing you want is rick perry having to deal with this story. already he's having difficulty over the whole debate issue. so the party is trying to figure out who is the candidate who frankly can be strong enough to go against president obama. so it doesn't help them him, but i doubt very seriously it will knock him out of the campaign. and so more than likely in 48 hours, it's gone. >> ari, is this the kind of story as a press secretary you would advise your candidate, look, just put out a statement or campaign aides put out a statement but don't necessarily come on camera and say something about it? >> this is the classic issue where he would have brought it up himself if he could have done so. this is the type of thing, when he's giving a speech about racial relations in neck or about immigration, he could have talked about insensitivity. and for example my family had a lease on land and 30 years ago it said this. we covered that up because it was wrong. we painted that. if he had brought it out himself, it would have been very different. he didn't have time because he got in so late.
he was hit with a story and now has to react to it. he will have to deal with it himself in person. that's just how the press corps operates. next time he's on the trail and reporters see him, they're going to ask him anyway. i don't think he can just say that he's handled it. but this will fade in a matter of days. this is not the stuff of major politics or something that will last long. >> erick erickson, roland martin, ari fleischer, thank you very much. the steps emergency room doctors took to try to revive michael jackson, even though he was dead and beyond help. the latest admission that's been stalled by bad weather looking for earthquake damage at the washington monument. and i get my financing from ge capital. but i also get stuff that goes way beyond banking. we not only lend people money, we help them save it. [ junior ] ge engineers found ways to cut my energy use. [ cheryl ] more efficient lighting helps junior stay open later...
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crime & punishment day five in the michael jackson murder trial. the prosecution once again called witnesses to describe what dr. murray saw and heard and did on the day jackson died. two emergency room doctors described in detail what occurred. dr. murray never shared information with them as they tried to save jackson.
here's randi kaye. >> reporter: emergency room doctors pushed ahead to revive jackson at dr. murray's asking. >> he repeated one thing. that we not give up easily, and try to save mr. michael jackson's life. >> is that what you were trying to do? >> yes. >> emergency resummoneders were ready to declare jackson dead at home. murray insisted he be transported to the hospital. >> my assessment at the time, is that he was clinically dead. resuscitation efforts would likely be futile. >> reporter: drs. cooper and nguyen asked murray about what drugs jackson had been given. murray never mentioned propofol even though according to the police affidavit he gave him 25 milligrams of propofol at 10:40 a.m., not long before jackson stopped breathing. >> he never mentioned propofol
to you? >> absolutely not. >> reporter: dr. cooper testified friday that even if murray had told them about propofol, it would not have changed the outcome because jackson had, quote, died long before. still, prosecutors wanted to make clear to the jury how dangerous the drug is and how rarely it's used outside a hospital. >> it is not anywhere in the hospital. it is designated place with designated personnel and equipment available. by equipment, i mean a crash cart should be available. propofol could cause severe lung collapse, respiratory collapse, breathing collapse, and it could cause cardiovascular collapse. and propofol does not have an antidote. >> so you're prepared for any consequences. >> yes. it is a must. >> reporter: dr. nguyen also painted a picture for the jury of a flustered conrad murray who couldn't remember what time he called for help. >> and i asked him from the time that he found that the patient
was down, what was the time that ems or the 911 was called. and he couldn't remember that either. he said he did not have any concept of time. he did not have a watch. >> reporter: the defense tried its best to show if conrad murray had given jackson only 25 milligrams of propofol, that it couldn't have killed him. a key to the defense's theory that jackson must have taken lorazepam tablets and ingested more propofol without conrad murray knowing. >> i couldn't imagine i would give a dose at 25 milligrams to an otherwise healthy male and give it over three to five minutes because i would not expect that that would produce any level of sedation. >> reporter: employees from two cell phone companies also testified about conrad murray's cell phone records. they told the jury murray got a call at 11:07 a.m. and placed four calls himself after that. the question is, if murray gave jackson propofol at 10:40 a.m.,
was he monitoring him and making those calls from inside the room or had he stepped out for longer than his lawyers say he did? those call times are key in determining what conrad murray was doing in the hours before jackson died. randi kaye, cnn, los angeles. still to come, the ridiculist is up and isha is back with a 360 news and business bulletin. >> the only man convicted of blowing up a pan am jet over lockerbie, scotland, tells reuters new facts about the case will be announced in a few months. abdel basset al megrahi told the agency the truth will come out one day and hopefully in the near future. al megrahi's comments come five weeks after cnn's own nic robertson visited him in libya where his family said he was in a coma and near dead from prostate cancer. he was released from prison in 2009 for medical reasons. a federal judge says jared
loughner will probably be able to stand trying if he keeps taking his medication. his mental state is getting better since he was forced to take anti-psychotic drugs. the shooting he's accused of left six people dead and 13 injured. the minimum wage is expected to rise in eight states, ohio, colorado, montana, washington, arizona, florida and vermont. $9.04 an hour. engineers have resumed their inspection of the washington monument. they are rappelling down the landmark looking for damage from that magnitude 5.8 earthquake that hit in august. their work was suspended for a couple of days due to high winds. are you ready for some football?
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is on the way. now back to anderson. let's check in with the newest member of our team, erin burnett. we have a lot coming up, mostly our exclusive interview with leon panetta. recently he said yemen was the biggest threat to america. is it? or is he more worried about something else? here's a peak. you recently said yemen was the biggest terror threat to america. is yemen less of a threat than it was? >> we certainly have gone after their leadership. i think we've dealt them a major blow by virtue of having taken down bin ladin and now al awlaki and other leadership types. there's still al qaeda out there continuing to plan potential attacks on this country. this is not a time to take the pressure off, this is a time to put the pressure on. >> you'll hear more coming up. a restaurant war, hooters
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time for the ridiculist. tonight we're adding a lawsuit that hooters has filed against a rifrnal chain for stealing its trade secrets. that's right, hooters has trade secrets. i know what you're thinking. what's so secret about the hooters business model? they kind of put everything right out there, don't they?
perhaps it's the brand of panty hose that a server should wear with orange short shorts. or how to scrub out a stain from a thank top that's already stretched beyond its limits. but the company says it's so much more. in the lawsuit one of the former vice presidents downloaded a bunch of documents from everything of management or recruiting all before he left to work for -- wait for it -- twin peaks. a restaurant chain where the motto is eat, drink, scenic views. look at the place, totally different from hooters. an authentic mountain lodge where the authenticity of the mountain lodge is very authentic, just ask the owner. >> it's an authentic mountain lodge. and you know, we feel like every guy deserves to relax in an authentic mountain lodge, drink 29 degree draft beer and be catered to by a beautiful lumber-jill. >> scoff if you will, but come on, 29 degrees? that is a cold beer. apparently beer temperature is a
corner stone of the mammary themed restaurant game. check this out from the first ever hooters commercial. >> do you know why our beer's so cold here at hooters? because we keep it in the refrigerator. hey, kids, want to do your dad a really big favor? tell your mom you want to go to hooters. >> that's right, kids, do dad a favor, tell your mom you want to go to hooters. fun for the whole family from 1983 when the first hooters opened. now they're firmly planted in 28 different countries. yes, hooters is that big. there are more than 430 of them. the whole world is riddled with hooters. twin peaks does plan to enlarge. every time i say twin peak, i think of david lynch's tv show from the early '90s. >> this cherry pie is a miracle. >> would you please ask the lady with the log to speak up. >> would you like some pie? >> massive, massive quantities,