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because when i'm out, even by myself this is what women say to me. oh, victoria, i love your husband! and so i've learned to say, so do i. >> listen, i really appreciate you both coming on again. another lively debate. i hope we can do it again in six months. >> thank you. appreciate it very much. >> great being with you. >> thanks, victoria. that's it for tonight. ac 36 o stardz right now. >> good evening, everybody. it is 10:00 p.m. on the east coast. supper time in seattle where amanda knox is finally home and reportedly in seclusion with her family. she is home a little more than 30 hours after an italian appeals court overturned her murder conviction in the killing of her roommate and nearly four years in prison. imagine that feeling. there it is. manda knox returning to a press conference at the airport. this was our first glimpse of her on american soil. moments after stepping off the plane. she and her parents spoke to reporters. here's what they had to say. >> first of all, we would like
to thank everybody. as ted said, this has been a very long four years. but we couldn't have made it through it without all you people out here that have supported us. and especially amanda. >> yeah. all i can say is, again, thank you. because of the letters and the calls and just amazing support that we received from people all over the world, especially here in seattle, that we've been able to endure and that we've been able to, you know, make sure amanda had the support she needed. there there's no way we can thank everybody. so here individually, so here's our way to just say thank you. >> i'd like to add in one more thing. we would also like to send our appreciation to our italian
lawye lawyers. they did a fantastic job on that side of the pond and ted was phenomenal on this side of the pond. and obviously we couldn't have done it without you. so appreciate that. do you want to talk? yeah. ed and i will take any questions if anybody has any. there's a couple hands over there. how are you going to hear it? [ inaudible question ] >> i can't hear. do you want to talk? >> amanda! >> they're reminding me to speak
in english. because i'm having problems with that. i'm really overwhelmed right now. i was looking down from the airplane and it seemed like everything wasn't real. what's important for me to say is just thank you to everyone who's believed in me, who's defended me. who supported my family. i just want -- my family is the most important thing to me and i just want to go and be with them. so thank you for being there for me. >> amanda knox and her parents at the airport tonight. again, they are all home now. amanda, family and friends in
seattle. many in seattle are celebrating. joining us now is drew griffin along with neila bruleg. she is the author of "the fatal gift of beauty." and on the phone is a filmmaker and friend of amanda. you've been a long time supporter of hers. what's this moment like for the family members that you've talked to? >> anderson, it's almost indescribable the joy that they're feeling, the relief. overall just to be reunified with amanda and to be able to express their love to her directly. and most of all to have the opportunity to watch her grow and make this transition. i think in the weeks ahead and months ahid r head i think third parties are going to ask how does something like this happen? how does an innocent young american girl fall prey to a situation like this in a foreign country? and there was some question today on some of the discussion about this homecoming, was she friends with meredith? she was friends with meredith.
and strangely, the lap tops that belonged to meredith and to amanda and to wrath were the hard drives on the lap tops were destroyed very early on. and one wonders how that happened. because those people that said they weren't friends, how do you prove you're friends with someone? well, you have photographs. you have anecdotes and you'll have keepsakes. and amanda had all those things and they were lost very early in this investigation. all that will be dealt with later. right now they're just enjoying her physical presence and celebrating her return as are we all. >> yeah, i can only imagine what that's like. i can't imagine. drew, has the prosecution or the prosecutor in italy indicated whether or not he is going to appeal yesterday's decision to the highest court? is this case over or not? >> no, there was a news conference today, i believe. he said absolutely he's going to appeal. he believes she is guilty.
he believes that her boyfriend is guilty and he plans to take this to the supreme court. it's a big hurdle, though. this is more of the appeal that we're used to here in the u.s. where the appeal would be based on the legal standards of this current trial whether or not judges followed the rules, whether all the legalities were followed, a much greater hurdle to overcome to get some kind of a new trial or for this overturned verdict. but he fully intends to do it. and that is what's going to take place in italy. >> nina, is there anything to that? do you think it could actually result in anything? >> oh, i don't think so. you know, he's already been convicted of abuse of office and he's got a suspended sentence hanging over him and i believe it was an 18-month suspended sentence. and i think he's, you know, his career is just hanging on -- in the balance here. so he has to keep fighting
because -- >> trying to save face. >> he's trying to save face. his career literally could end, i think, before it should. before his retirement. because of what happened previously. and so i don't know that he can -- i don't know that he has the time to go through the supreme court. >> you know, early on it seemed like she was vilified in the italian media and much of the european media. is that case? do you think that is still the perception in italy? >> well, you know, you heard boos when she was exonerated in the piaza and i think that there's been reporting from italy, you know, people are mystified to disgust. they thought she was guilty. in the uk, you can read in the newspapers to day, "the daily mail," there's an article, you know, they're looking at her. they were looking at her giving her plea to the appeals court
that tearful plea before she was released and saying, you know, just another actressy act from the psychotic or psychopathic young woman. so there are millions of people persuaded that this, again, a very simple crime with a very complicated created story around it. there are millions of people who believe the created story and will ignore all of the facts leading to the simplest conclusion about what happened in that house. >> tom, do you think amanda knew what a big case this had become? the attention this was receiving around the world? >> no, she didn't, anderson. and that is one of the concerns of the family. i think she didn't realize until just, of course, she was released how much attention had been paid. the world of the prison is very self contained. there is not a lot of awareness of what's going on outside. but she's a very sharp, sharp lady. i know that she knew how she was
being depicted because when she moved into the courtroom and these outrageous things were being said to her, you know, things calling her a she devil and a witch and things like this. it was so completely bizarre to her, just unfathomable. she couldn't understand it at all. this is a very wholesome, all american, athletic scholarly young american woman. and to be called these names and then have it spread on the internet and all the people in the tabloids, how does one combat that? that's a big question we have to ask. here's some people slandering her and he slandered this woman mercilessly over and over again. how do you defend yourself when you're behind bars and you're 20 years old and you don't have any way to change people's perceptions of you? that was our big challenge in this situation. >> andrew, you know, i think early on it was portrayed as if amanda knox was deeply involved with this young italian guy. they had only been going out for eight days, right?
>> yeah. they apparently knew each other, anderson. they were two college kids in a college town really almost falling in love but probably didn't have enough time to even do that. you know, eight days or so. she just heard about this young man that she met at a classical music concert. and the next thing you know, the two of them are arrested. so they really didn't have a relationship that developed much beyond those initial dates. so it was really -- it's a life interrupted. it's two lives interrupted. and meredith's life ended, a tragedy all the way around. but the fact that amanda knox and rafael were locked up for something that quite frankly shows the evidence did not do was every bit as tragic and certainly shouldn't have brought any solace to the kercher family. >> it has to be tough for
rafael. he stayed in italy. >> his sister -- i corresponded with him a lot, actually. he wrote a lot of letters to me. and his sister told me that they were -- she was hoping they could leave italy. she had lost her job over this. and he's, you know, his studies were interrupted. he was about to get his degree. he's a very, you know -- he's a wealthy -- son of a wealthy man. he had a tragic life. his mother died when he was 20. you know, it's awful. it's like rip van winkle. their lives were stopped on the night of the 6th of november 2007 you're 20 and 22 years old and their lives ceased on those -- on that night. literally. they were locked in these rooms for four years and are now coming out. >> and there are multiple victims. the family of meredith feels as if she is the forgotten victim in all this. i mean her life, you know, she's dead. and they're still left asking
questions about well what really happened? >> yes, well, because they were persuaded by their i will tannita italian attorney that the story created around this crime is what happened. that it wasn't one person who killed her, it was a group of people. and they've been told that from the beginning. they're grieving people. and this idea of how their daughter or sister died has been implanted by the italian authorities and by their civil lawyer. i don't know that they will ever relinquish it. and it's very sad. it just adds to the tragedy of it. >> i appreciate you being with us. drew as well and tom, thanks very much. our best to the family and all those in seattle. we're continuing to cover this. let us know what you think. follow me on facebook or twitter. coming up, raw politics. governor chris christie not running for president. what that could mean to the field of the republican
candidates. also ahead, new memos about the botched atf operation we've been covering fast and furious. that operation that lost track of thousands of firearms across the mexican border, tough questions for the attorney general tonight and the congressman behind the investigation. we're keeping them honest. later, the michael jackson death trial. three of dr. conrad murray's girlfriends took the stand today. that's right, he has three of them. he actually has four of them. what they said could mean trouble for the defense ahead. t. the afternoon tour begins with more pain and more pills. the evening guests arrive. back to sore knees. back to more pills. the day is done but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve. just 2 pills can keep arthritis pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is lara who chose 2 aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels.
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raw politics now. new jersey governor chris christie and the no heard around the republican presidential world. >> now is not my time. i have a commitment to new jersey that i simply will not abandon. >> governor christie today saying he was swayed by calls but will not move. >> i'm governor. i want to be governor. i'm not running for president. >> i don't feel ready in my heart to be president. >> i don't feel i'm ready to be president. i don't want to run for president. i don't have the fire in the belly to run for president. i have big things to accomplish here and that does not include leaving and running for national office. i'm 100% sure i will not run. >> you are running for
president? >> no. my god, i'm not ready for president. i d what do i have to do short of suicide to convince people i'm not running? apparently i actually have to commit suicide to convince people i'm not running. >> so with christie out, rick perry struggling and mitt romney is the front-runner and herman cain getting a surge. let's talk about it with our analysts. gloria, i can only imagine that mitt romney is probably breathing a big sigh of relief tonight. >> i spoke with people in the romney camp. they are clearly breathing a sigh of relief. look, they would have been competing against chris christie for the same constituency in the republican party. they would vn behave been compe for money in the republican party and essentially making the same argument about being the most elehelectable candidate w s
christie gone and what we're reporting on cnn is some of those top would-be christie fundraisers are now moving very quickly to the romney camp. so the romney people are kuwaqu happy about this. they're polling at a toll i had 25%. you need to do better than that to get the nomination. >> let's look at the polls. after losing support now seems that gloria is saying some voters are giving romney a second look. new polls like this one from "washington post" and abc show that romney claiming the top spot. perry battling herman cain. what do you make of the rise of cain and the stumble of rick perry? >> the romney has the same floor and the same ceiling that he's had throughout the race. the dynamic hasn't changed and it's still a two-man race. romney versus the anti-romney. there is a two man race for the
not romney candidate. or you could say another one, 75% of the primary electorate is still not with romney. what she reported is an important fact. we'll see where the money goes. but there is still an enthusiasm gap for romney. and there's a 13-point enthusiasm advantage for the conservative electorate at large. so this primary is very rational. activists want their enthusiasm for their candidate to be commensurate with their enthusiasm for their message. and i think this thing is going to go longer into the primaries than people think. >> eric, is the christie phenomenon, the interest in him as much about what voters thought of the current crop of republican candidates as what they thought about him? >> yeah, i think it was about him. there will be a poll out next week showing he moves into first place in the republican primary and bill kristol starts the rumor that he's going to run again and we'll have another
press conference where he says yet again he's not running. look, the problem here, mary is absolutely right. the republican conservative electorate wants someone that can beat president obama but they want smomeone that can bea mitt romney. that's why you see the other numbers jumping up and down. they're vetting the guys to see who can be the anti-romney to then run against president obama and be viable. romney's biggest problem actually is the barna survey that shows he has a huge problem with evangelical voters. that's going to impact him in iowa and south carolina. >> this wasn't supposed to be an establishment year for the republican party. this was supposed to be an outsider's year. you know, this was the tea party coming in and saying we're going to bring you a different kind of republican candidate to challenge president obama who is a different kind of republican candidate. guess what? it may turn out to be an
establishment year. >> mary, i mean are all -- >> you know, largely because -- yeah, i was going to say gloria is right. it's largely because there are 50 billion tea party groups in the country all vying to be the national tea party. each of them has a different candidate that they like. as long as there's no consensus there, it's mitt romney's race to lose. >> but let me say to that point, there is no establishment message. there -- >> right. >> there may be an established candidate at the end. this is anti-establishment, anti-washington, stop spending, start working year. so it doesn't matter who the messenger is. the message is not changinchang. >> thanks very much. just ahead, the attorney general says he only learned about a botched atf operation fast and furious a few weeks before lawmakers asked him about it. keeping them honest. we have memos that say otherwise. we have tough questions for the congressman behind the investigation. also ahead, the michael
jackson death trial. the doctor on trial, conrad murray, his girlfriends taking the stand today, including the one that received cartons of the drug that killed michael jackson. [ female announcer ] introducing new pronutrients from centrum. omega-3s go beyond heart health. probiotics go beyond digestive balance. and fruit & veggie has antioxidant properties. new pronutrients from centrum. help make nutrition possible.
lost them. they never even informed the mexican government about the weapons. and yet no one ever told the mexican government about the entire thing. the whole thing was predicated on being able to follow these things. no one told the mexicans. the u.s. is basically arming murderous mexican drug cartels and no one tells mexico. we're not talking about a dozen or even a couple hundred guns, we're talking about thousands of weapons. two of them -- two of those weapons turned up at the murder scene of a u.s. border agent. tonight the gop controlled house judiciary committee asked the white house to name a special council to determine whether the attorney general himself, eric holder, lied when asked about fast and furious. here's what he said back in may. >> when did you first know about the program officially i believe called fast and furious? to the best of your knowledge, what date? >> i'm not sure of the exact date. i probably heard about fast and furious for the first time over the last few weeks. >> however, keeping him honest,
we show memos that show otherwise. weekly reports from holder deputies to the attorney general. weekly reports. one dated a week of october 18th, 2010, talks about eight pending indictments under seal in connection with gun running to mexico. "the sealing will likely last until another investigation, operation fast and furious, is ready for take down." assuming that attorney general holder read the memo, assuming that in fact he was at least aware of the operation months before he testified he was. now another memo from the first week that july also mentions fast and furious and gives a brief thumbnail description of it. presumably the attorney general read that one as well. both, we should say, are heavily redakted. we don't know what else they say about fast and furious or if they say anything at all. all we know is that the memo suggest that's eric holder had reason to at least be aware of the operation months before he said he did, before the oversight committee last may. now an official in the justice department, though, says the
attorney general was simply repeating the answer he gave a senate committee in march about whether he was aware of questionable tactics. this officials says, "chairman issa, of all people, should be familiar with the difference between knowing about an investigation and being aware of questionable tactics employed in that investigation." but recall, his question wasn't complicated. he simply asked when attorney general holder became ware of the operation, not when he learn the details of it. so as our source said, are they splitting airs hairs or congres issa? we spoke with the congressman earlier. the chairman asked the president to pint a special counsel to investigate what attorney general holder knew and when he knew it. the request is based on exchange you had back with him in may. do you believe the attorney general lied to you? >> i certainly believe that he either misrepresented the facts or sufficiently incompetent that he didn't know what was in his
weekly briefings. i certainly support the fact that the attorney general cannot investigate himself. >> cnn obtained some of the documents that you and your colleagues referenced. the attorney general did receive some memos last year acknowledging existence of fast and furious but only in passing. the justice department is saying, look, he receives dozens of reports every week. there is no indication he knew the problems with this particular operation that far back. do you believe that? >> well, it's difficult if at all paossible to believe it. there is a spin going when they talked about guns walking in excess that this were other programs, we've had testimony in front of our committee that says justice never lets guns walk. and now we have written proof that they were concerned about the guns walking. they were concerned about the optics of press interviews in which they were going to talk about problems including brian terry's murder. and very clear think was not hundreds of pages of reports.
this was the key weekly briefing that the attorney general received on which there was a pa paragraph on fast and furious. to say department understand the question, he certainly had to know that every week he was seeing briefings on fast and furious. he had to say i'm familiar with the name. what is it you mean? or that i don't fully understand everything as well as i did two weeks before instead, in fairness, both to myself and to jason chafitz, he implied he never heard of this until two weeks before rather than that perhaps he didn't know what a felony stupid program this was that led to the death of brian terry and the release of at least 2,000 weapons into the worst of the worst people's hands. >> i want to read you what a justice department official told cnn. they're pushing back on what you're saying. they said that chairman issa of all people should be familiar with the difference between knowing about an investigation
and being aware of questionable tactics employed in that investigation since documents provided to his committee show that he was given a briefing that included the fast and furious operation in 2010 -- a year before the controversy emerged." so did you, yourself, know about the operation last year? >> that is an outright lie that justice department has been spinning. they shot that to the newspapers and they found one that would print it. the fact is kenneth nelson, a man who under oath very, very well recorded, has said he didn't know about much of this and clearly did not brief me in one briefing that was about gun trafficking into mexico. let's understand something, anderson. they would have you believe that i knew that i knew what the attorney general didn't know, that i knew what they were deliberately withholding from atf, dea and justice agents in mexico city and from the u.s. ambassador to mexico. so is this cover-up and this
game of spin and delay continues, the problem is it's only creating problems that didn't initially exist. initially, this was a dumb program that led to very adverse consequences. now it's about a cover-up, about deception, about slow rolling discovery of this and other committees. understand, i got involved in this because senator grassley was denied any discovery because he wasn't the chairman over in the senate and i got involved somewhat on his behalf and my committee has taken a lead on it. but this was about stone walg of the senate long before i got involved. >> i always thought this was the first time this kind of a program had been tried. there are new revelations to night coming out that bush administration had a similar weapons program, something called operation wide receiver. do you know about that? do you think officials from that administration should be looked at as well? >> well, anderson, we know a lot more about it. that's among the documents we're stit waiting to get. we know about wide receiver is very small amount of weapons. much more intensive following.
but, in fact, we will get to the bottom of whether or not this practice in a smaller way may have begun on the bush watch. we're not putting it past any administration and giving anyone a pass. the american people and the people of mexico expect us to have a zero tolerance for letting drugs come into our country or weapons go into mexico. >> congressman issa, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. still ahead, the michael jackson death trial, his doctor on trial in the courtroom today. three of dr. conrad murray's girlfriends took the stand saying murray talked -- or texted each of them the day that jackson died. why that could mean trouble for the defense coming up. my doctor told me calcium is best absorbed in small continuous amounts. only one calcium supplement does that in one daily dose. citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d
crime and punishment on day six of the michael jackson death trial, conrad murray's complicated love life is front and senter in the courtroom. prosecutors called three more of murray's girlfriends as witnesses today, that makes four so far. he used their testimony to establish the time line that central to their case. dr. murray talked to or texted each of the women on the day that michael jackson died. remember, dr. murray was jackson's personal physician. the singer was his only patient. that's why today's testimony could be a problem to the defense. >> reporter: prosecutors trying to persuade the jury that conrad mur ji responsible for michael jackson's death shows he was busy making phone calls and sending text messages instedz of monitoring his star patient's iv. they paraded out a small harem
of women in dr. murray's life. michelle bella, a dancer at a las vegas club who met murray in 2008, told the jury she was contacted by the doctor in the hours before jackson died. >> did conrad murray send you a text on june 25th of 2009? >> yes. >> and this woman, shade andy, murray's former girlfriend who prosecutors say was on the phone with murray the moment he realized that jackson stopped breathing. >> i said hello? hello? i didn't hear anything. and that's when i pressed the phone against my ear and i heard mumbling of voices. it sounded like the phone was maybe in his pocket or something. and i heard coughing. and nobody answered. >> the timing of this phone call is key. here's why. murray called her at 11:51 a.m. >> how long into your
conversation with him would you estimate that he stopped responding or speaking back to you? >> well, when i realized five to six minutes. but he probably could have been off the phone before that. >> reporter: the call was made at 11:51 and only lasted six minutes. prosecutors say that would mean murray knew jackson was in trouble at 11:57 a.m. remember, 911 wasn't called until 12:20 peop.m., 23 minutes later. next came maria alverez. they, too, met in a las vegas club. alverez testified that from april to june murray had packages delivered to her apartment. >> did you have any sense of what these packages contained? >> no. >> reporter: the man who knows is tim lopez, a las vegas pharmacist who testified murray ordered vials of propofol if him and had them shipped to an
address in santa monica, california. turns out that was murray's girlfriend's address. the defense tried to lessen the blow. >> was there anything wrong with shipping medication to an address provided by a doctor? >> no. >> okay. so as long as the doctor directs you to ship the medication and tells you i will have control of the medication, that's okay for you, correct? >> yes. >> the coroner says jackson died of acute propofol intoxication. listen to how much murray ordered. >> mr. lopez, after reviewing all of the orders placed by conrad murray to you, can you provide me with the total number of propofol vials that were sold and shipped to conrad murray? >> i can confirm the number. >> is the number 255? >> yes. >> reporter: 255 vials of propofol over 2 1/2 months. on may 12th, 2009, two days
after conrad murray made an iphone recording of michael jackson sounding wasted and slurring his words, prosecutors say murray ordered another 65 vials of propofol. yet, the defense says conrad murray was trying to wean michael jackson off the drug. randi kaye, cnn, los angeles. let's talk about it now with mark geragos and a former federal prosecutor and legal contributor for "in session" on trutv. >> if the defense is to be believed, the doctor is trying to wean michael jackson off of propofol, he orders what amounts to basically four gallons of propofol. it's hard to believe he's trying to wean him off it, no? >> well, that does present a problem. i have no doubt that they're trying to deal with that. and they're going to deal with that. the problem at least for the prosecution is that they still are going to have to get over
this hurdle that it was the propofol that he administered that killed him. when i say he, dr. murray. because they can -- he can order up as much propofol as he wants and i agree that if the theory was he's weaning him off it doesn't look good and undercuts that, but the fact remains if the propofol he gave him did not kill him and it wasn't at a dosage that would kill him, he's not guilty. so that still becomes a problem for the prosecution. >> sunny, even if it wasn't the propofol that he gave him if, he left an addict in a room full of drugs that jackson consumed and the doctor was using equipment that wasn't meant to monitor somebody long term like a manufacturer has already testified, that's bad -- that's being a bad doctor. >> you summed up part of the prosecution's case. they have to show this jury this is a doctor prone to negligence. he deviates routinely from the standard of care. there were so many things did he wrong. why would someone believe his
version of events? i mean we heard evidence that he lied to several of the treating physicians in the emergency room. he lied to his own security people. he lied and lied and lied. that is not the behavior of an honest person. that is not the behavior of an innocent person. >> he just did not say propofol. >> an omission. i think the average juror will see that as a lie. why not try to help your patient and be honest and admitting that crucial evidence? that's a lie. >> mark? >> yeah, deviating from the standard of care though isn't what it takes to get a conviction. you've got to be grossly negligent. so you could be incompetent and still not be grossly negligent for a criminal conviction. and that's what they have to show. and, look, all of these things and i've said the elephant in the room is always when they put on a doctor and ask the doctor
is this going to be -- you would ever say that it's within the standard of care to administer propofol to somebody in their home? i don't think there is any doctor that will say yes, that's within the standard of care. the problem is do you ever get to the point where you're going to say this person is so grossly negligent that we're going to convict him of a criminal offense? he's got that mindset. that's, i don't think they've reached that yet. they're trying to build the case for that. >> mark, i don't want to keep harping on this equipment stuff. but if, you know, when you do put somebody under propofol, you're supposed to monitor their vital signs. you're supposed to monitor them very carefully. your heart can easily stop. murray hooks up michael jackson, hooks up a little thing to his finger that doesn't even have a, you know, a warning sound, an alarm sound if the heart stops. so unless he's standing there watching the heartbeat on the monitor, if he has his back turned, he has no idea if jackson's heart has stopped if he's talking to his girlfriends, multiple girlfriends. so that would seem to be in and
of itself using shoddy equipment that manufacturer label says is not meant for, you know, long-term monitoring or even consistent monitoring. that would seem to be grossly negligent. >> well, that's where the argument is going to be. i'm sure the defense is going to come back and say, look, the same kind of equipment is used in outpatient surgery centers and things look that. we weren't trying to put him over. we were trying to ease him into a sleep situation. i still maintain that i think the single most important witness in this case is going to be the defense witness. even though the defense doesn't have to call anybody, they said in opening statement they're going to call dr. white, this father of propofol. that doctor, i think, is going to be the make or break for the defense in this case. he either is going to come in and say all of this stuff matters or he's going to say, look, when you get down to it, none of this stuff matters because it wasn't as high enough levels, meaning the propofol to do what it did. or it's the lethal combination with other drugs which is what
caused this. they still have to get to causation. can you say -- you can still say he's grossly negligent but if he didn't cause the death and causation is the second prong of this, then he still has a not guilty. >> so nicole alverez made a particular impression, why? >> she really did. she testifies in some -- in an outfit extremely inappropriate for the courtroom, very provocative and she said that she was an actress and she was working on her instrument which she defined as herself. i think the inference that manufacture the jurors, anderson, will have is wow, this is a doctor who has such poor judgment in the people that he chooses to surround himself and his personal life with. >> is that fair based on what she's wearing? >> it's very fair. i will say this most prosecutors aren't allowed to attack the defendant, right? they're not allowed to get that character evidence in. the prosecution today did get that evidence in. sort of through the back door. i don't think there's any question that she was perceived
by this jury, i spoke to people in the courtroom today, they said the jury hated her, there's no question that jury looked at nicole alverez and said she is auditioning for her own reality show and he spent more time dealing with his girlfriends than caring for the one patient that he had. i think that's a very strong argument, mark. you got to agree. that's going to take place in the jury room. they're going to talk about nicole alverez. they're going to talk about the girlfriends. >> they're going to -- they're going to talk about nicole alverez. they're going to talk about, my experience and i bet you a quarter on this. at the end of this case, because i've seen it happen 20 times if i've seen it once. the jurors are going to come out and you're going to start asking them about the baby momma drama. what's going to end up the juries are going to say is why did they waste our time with this? we wanted to hear the case, we wanted to get down to the realitiment every time the prosecution defaults to what i call character assassination block, jurors rebel against that. what you or somebody in the courtroom may have perceived as
somebody not liking her, may have just plain been what i have experienced where jurors are disgusted by this character assassination evidence and say why you are trying to, you know, deflect us from what the real issues are? >> but they were relevant. i'll take that bet. but they were relevant because the time line. >> they're relevant in a sense -- >> they were time line witnesses. but in that, there was the subtext that they certainly did attack his credibility and his character. >> all right. final thought and then we have to stop. >> they were -- their time line witnesses, that's how they got him in the front door. this is nothing more than back door character assassination. >> thank you very much. up next, dramatic rescue in the waters off new york city after a helicopter with five people onboard crashed in the east river. new details ahead. cause scratch. as a result of those scratches, bacteria will get lodged in that denture and as they multiply in the mouth the odor can get stronger. i always advise my patients to use polident. it has specific agents in it
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on entertaining audiences for many years to come. yeah, we are hopeful, too. homer marge, bart, lisa, mo, patty, bob, crusty, millhouse, mayor quindy, ned flanters, some of us know these people better than we do our neighbors. take alook. >> donuts are -- donuts are much like life. they're round on the outside and empty in the middle. >> hold on. redial. hello? >> yes? the world's smallest large screen tv. >> mr. burns? >> yes? >> what is your occupation? >> mobile. >> i was wondering when you were going to get to me. >> what is your least favorite word? >> canceled.
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