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they're going ton a tribute tour playing songs made famous by their father. summing it up, ladies and gentlemen, sleep well tonight. we live in a world where you can spend $39,000 on a backpack, wonder twin powers activate on the "ridiculist." that's it for "360." thanks for watching. the bottom line, on the millionaire tax and why president obama is behind it. let's go out front. i'm erin burnt. americans looking for jobs ahead of the employment number tomorrow. protests, paralysis in washington. the president takes a stand in favor of a tax on people who
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earn over $1 million. it's a 5.6% surcharge. it would bring in enough to pay for his nearly $450 billion jobs plan. house speaker john boehner doesn't like it. >> nothing has disappointed me more than what's happened over the last five weeks. to watch the president of the government give up on leading and governing and spend full time campaigning. >> but the president dares the republicans to say no. >> if congress does something then i can't run against a do-nothing congress. if congress does nothing, then it's not a matter of me running against them. i think the american people will run them out of town. >> democratic political strategist jamal simmons is here along with karen hand ready and john avlon here with me.
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jamal, has the president found a way to get the jobs bill with a tax increase? >> he does have it right. he's lining up for the republicans, either you're for the middle class or against the middle class. i think that's going to be something for republicans to have to wrestle with. i'm not sure i would be on the side of defending wall street and millionaires in this kind of electoral environment. >> it was interesting, a cnn reporter ran into susan collins, moderate republican in the halls of congress today. she said she didn't like this either, which was interesting because she's moderate. will the republicans make this fail or is jamal right, to make it fail would be tantamount to not getting reelected? >> the president knows this jobs bill is going nowhere, even with this new tax. there are a number of democrats who would still refuse and will be on the record in the next 24 hours still refusing to vote for a bill simply because they think
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it spends too much money, regardless of the tax increase. don't forget, there are a lot of democrats who are up for reelection in very moderate to conservative states who don't want anything to do with the president, don't want to be associated with supporting a spending bill that the president's name is on. >> john, can you break the tie here? >> i will. i'm on jamal's side in this case. i think democrats are realize if you tax folks who make over $1 million, that's a very different political proposition. 75% of all voters support taxing millionaires more. i think republicans are going to throw what karen just said. they're going to throw the class warfare rhetoric around. they might box themselves into a corner. >> karen? >> the bill is not going to pass, i can assure you of that. >> washington insider. >> it won't.
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i'm quite confident of that, that it won't pass and it won't -- i'll be surprised if it even comes up for a vote, quite frankly. it's better politics on the part of the democrats. and if president obama had gone out there to start with with the tax truly on millionaires and not the $250,000 range which chuck schumer balked at, he would have been better to start with. he had to engage in this constant finger-pointing and finger-wagging. >> i want to move on to herman cain. but, jamal, if this does not pass, is that it for the president with the jobs bills? is it go into campaign mode or does he keep trying? >> no, absolutely it isn't. if it isn't, that's a problem for the president. he's got to keep pushing this jobs bill. if they vote it down, he's got to break it up into pieces and come back every week, keep pushing it. what we haven't heard from karen and from the speaker or from mitch mcconnell is what the
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republican jobs plan is. they've now been in office for ten months and we haven't heard a jobs plan from them. >> sure you have. >> it to get rid of epa and dodd/frank? that's not a jobs plan as much as it is a payoff to the republican donors. >> i want to talk about more of the jobs plan another time. but i want to ask you all about herman cain, especially since we're talking about the middle class. and herman cain is surging in the polls despite saying some things that in the current political climate you would think don't make sense. he said something yesterday, i was surprised. then he basically said the same thing today. listen to it. >> if you are envious of somebody that happens to be rich that you call a fat cat, go and get rich instead of expecting them to walk outside of their office and write you a check. that's not the way america works. work for it! >> you know, i think it will play well in the republican primary. there's a reason for this. he'll come across as insensitive
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and not empathizing with people who are having a tough time in this economy. we passed welfare reform 15 years ago. candidates still run against it. >> jamal, what do you think? are you surprised that he's saying those things repeatedly, passionately and consistently and rising in the polls? >> i hate to disagree with a fell fellow mrhouse alum like herman cain but he's in the wrong place. 14 million people unemployed and another 6 million or 7 million people underimmroid, americans would love to go out and get a job and get rich but they can't get a job. they can't start a business because they can't get the financing. he's got to come up with a plan for helping to solve that. i think people would absolutely agree with him. >> karen, do you think that herman cain is -- really could get the nomination here or is it still mitt romney's? >> i don't think it's mitt romney's.
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i'm not sure who's said it's mitt romney's nomination. it's going to be a great race. i think it was michelle obama in her speech who said, america, we're a people who pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. and herman cain is right. we are a country that does that. that's why we're such a great company. we have people like steve jobs who create and invent and they're not handed their inventions, their ideas and their wealth. we earn it in america. i think that message resonates with a lot more people even outside the gop primary. >> karen, when you've got computer programmers waiting tables and people who have advanced degrees driving taxis, i don't think this is that kind of economy. people are having trouble because they can't even get back in the door for a job to be able to make their own way. >> let's not forget that darpa helped create the internet.
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>> thank you all. >> and herman cain made his own money, self-made man. >> thank you all three. as we try to talk about who are the leaders that really will bring this country forward as everyone's looking for leadership, we wanted to talk to one. this is the mayor of san antonio, a rising star in the democratic party, one of the youngest mayors in the country. i had the honor of meeting you, mayor castro, down the san antonio not long ago. appreciate your taking the time to come on with us tonight. we know there's not a lot being done in washington. this big debate going on about the jobs bill. but the campaign season seems to be the key issue for many there. but just a few days ago, he referred to himself as the underdog. do you think he's still the underdog? >> it really does seem like president obama is the underdog right now. the conventional wisdom is that an incumbent president has a lot of advantages. i'm sure that's true.
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but i'm sure that he recognizes as well that with the economy the way that it is, that it's going to be a tough sledding ahead. unfortunate fortunately, i think that he is working very hard and he has a lot of time between now and next november. so i do believe that he's the underdog. but i also believe that he's working hard at doing what america needs done and that he has time to make up the ground. >> mayor castro, you're a democrat in a red state. so you work with republicans. you have to do it whether you want to do it and you do do it. i'm wondering if you were in washington right now, what is the one thing that you would change to end the paralysis and the toxicity? >> well, the one thing that i would do you can't do. one of the things that mayors have an advantage on is that they work in a mostly nonpartisan environment. we don't run as democrats or republicans. of course i am a democrat.
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but you don't have to distinguish yourself as that on the ballot or on the dioc. that's not going to happen in d.c. what you can do is we can return to the civility that existed just 10, 15 years ago, a generation ago in washington. i believe that this republican congress has been the most partisan, the most obstructive that we've seen in the united states in a long time. and it's hard to get anything done when folks are talking path each other. if we could change one thing, obviously would be that. >> and one final thing i wanted too ask you about, your governor, rick perry, he's getting a lot of attention around the country and being painted by his republican rivals as much too pro-immigration, supports guest workers for the dream act, paying for illegal immigrants getting instate tuition rates. but this summer, you came out,
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it seemed, against governor perry on immigration. here you are. >> we have seen in this legislative session easily the most anti-latino agenda in more than a generation. >> so you obviously disagree. >> i do. those words were carefully chosen. governor perry sat over a legislative session that included what he called a sanctuary cities legislation that ultimately didn't pass. there was legislation introduced that was english-only legislation, what was called voter id, even though there's been absolutely no evidence of voter fraud, and a redistricting scheme in the state of texas that even though minorities represented 90% of the growth during this last decade, there was only one minority opportunity district that was created out of four new congressional seats for texas. so, absolutely, governor perry has, i think, a track record
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that leaves a lot to be desired when you talk about the interests of the hispanic community. there's no question in my mind about that. >> thank you so much, mayor castro. appreciate it. >> thank you. out front next, today at the michael jackson trial, the defense accuses the prosecution of sloppy investigating. it was a big development. and amanda knox back in america, her father talks to us out front about how she's adjusting to her freedom. and tonight, i'll take you inside a women's jail in pakistan. our guest, supermodel christy turlington will be with us as well. ♪ [ cellphone rings ] cut! [ monica ] i have a small part in a big movie. i thought we'd be on location for 3 days, it's been 3 weeks. so, i used my citi simplicity card to pick up a few things. and i don't have to worry about a late fee. which is good... no! bigger! bigger! [ monica ] ...because i don't think we're going anywhere for a while.
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the number tonight, 1. that was steve jobs' salary at apple, $1 a year. in 2001, steve jobs gave a speech to stanford grads. in the speech, steve jobs spoke about how he dropped out of college back in 1972 because he felt it was costing his family too much. in 1972, it cost $4,020 a year to attend reed. today, it's one of the more expensive colleges in the country. it costs $53,850. he stayed in a dorm. reed college sent us a picture of steve with reed professor
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richard crandall, on apple distinguished scientist. over the past 24 hours, we've all heard about how steve jobs developed the mac, the ipod, the ipad, the iphone, hard to believe it all came from the mind of one man but it did. wow, what a 1. day eight in the conrad murray trial. the defense went on the attack charging an investigator with sloppiness. >> ms. fleak, would you agree with me that you made a substantial number of mistakes in your investigation of this case? >> no. >> ed rollins was in the courtroom and has the latest. it was a pretty big day for the defense today, ted. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. they were able to poke holes in those early days when they were collecting evidence in this case. two years later, things that are important at the time didn't seem important so they didn't document them. bottom line, the defense used it to their advantage and they will use it at a later day when
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trying to create reasonable doubt. it was a good day for them. >> when you're talking about how the jury is reacting, i'm curious. it plays from not being in the courtroom sort of csi style. >> reporter: yeah, and the problem is it's not as exciting as "csi." we're in the that monotonous phase of the case. by and large, the jury is sitting through it. it's tough stuff because there's a lot of science and they are following along. the defense is going to try to prove this unscience. >> what's on tap for tomorrow? >> reporter: tomorrow, we expect to finish up with the toxicology part of the case. then we may hear a two-hour audio tape of murray talking to investigators two days after jackson died. this is probably the only time murray will get to tell his side of the story.
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>> ted rowlands, we'll talk to you tomorrow. thanks again, as always. let's talk about what this cross-examination meant. as ted said, pretty significant. sunny hostin joins me now here in new york. great to see you. >> good to see you. >> big day. >> huge day for the defense. they really needed it because yesterday there was this dramatic show-and-tell in the courtroom where the prosecutor was sort of putting out in front of the jury all of the evidence that was recovered from michael jackson's bedroom. and we're talking about a mini drugstore. vial upon vial upon vial of drugs. how do they rebut that? they use the sloppy evidence collection defense. we've seen it work. it worked in the amanda knox case. it was the downfall of the o.j. simpson case. they did that and did it very effectively, in my view. when i was watching it, i saw seven mistakes that she made and she declined to admit to that. i really think i saw shades of o.j. simpson and it was
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extremely, extremely effective. >> so is it -- first of all, seven, is that a lot? and the whole issue of destroying her notes, is that the norm or could you read something into that? >> when i was a prosecutor, i always told my investigators, don't you dare throw anything away because people want the underlying notes. they don't want that smell of a cover-up. they don't want that. and obviously they didn't do that in this case. and she did destroy her notes. i thought that was very damaging. she made a lot of mistakes in terms of the evidence collection. her own fingerprint was found on one of the syringes. she was mistaken in terms of some of the pictures of the propofol. i feel like the tide changed in the courtroom. you don't want that as a prosecutor. it should be in your favor in your case in chief. we heard by tweet today, if the bag is in the milky, my client is not guilty. it really has shades of that, if the gloves don't fit, you must acquit. people are really tweeting and
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facebooking and they feel the tide has changed in that courtroom. >> how much longer until this is done and then into a verdict? >> there's a way to go. i always tell people, trials are marathons, not sprints. this is the first week, eight days. we've got about three to four more weeks to go. but it's not looking great for the prosecution. big, big win for the defense today. huge. >> thank you very much, sunny. we appreciate it. ted rowlands covering that for us. still out front, republican candidate mitt romney takes a page out of the democratic playbook. this was pretty neat. amanda knox's father is going to be here to talk about her first 48 hours in the united states. and russian prime minister vladimir putin's fake jugs, seriously. ws like clockwork. ♪ for all the different things our customers planned for. like a college education. or, the perfect wedding.
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we do a lot of serious stories on this show. in august, while visiting a greek town, russian prime minister vladimir putin found two ancient artifacts while scuba diving. he had this to say -- the boys and i found them during the dives jugs, they date back to the 6th century b.c. it seemed pretty incredible but pretty straightforward. why is this a story that makes us say, seriously? because it's fake.
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putin's press secretary has now admitted the whole thing was a set-up. the jugs were actually found by archaeologists during an expedition several weeks or days earlier and placed in six feet of water just so the prime minister would find them. all i can say is, how about putin on a shirt? seriously. remembering steve jobs, what he meant to america and the world. and we talk to amanda knox's father about his daughter's return to the united states. and christy turlington is our special guest tonight. [ mot in a big movie.
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about where we focus on our own reporting, we make the calls and find the out front five. president obama held a news conference today with one of the big topics, problems in europe. >> the problems europe is having today could have a very real effect on our economy at a time when it's already fragile. >> we spoke to the chief economist at i.h.s. global told us that europe will muddle
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through but won't avoid a mild recession and that it would affect the u.s. but probably not send us back into a recession. more optimistic than what you may have heard out there. but it mirrors what our strike team say, 70% say a recession is not inevitable right now. for more on our strike team, go to their web page. you see it right there. number two, tomorrow morning, the jobs report for september will be released. economists expect it will be grim with the u.s. adding only 60,000 jobs. the unemployment rate expected to hold steady at 9.1%. the lion's share of the new jobs likely to be verizon workers returning to the job after a two-week strike. one economist tells us he expects payrolls to increase by 300,000 by the end of the year. number three, gop frontrunner mitt romney announced what one gop veteran called the a-team of foreign policy experts today. it was a big expert. we talked to david gordon, director of policy planning under former secretary of state
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condoleezza rice. he says it's going to be tough for rival rick perry to match the team in strength or depth. romney delivers his first foreign policy speech tomorrow in south carolina. our reporting says he will headline with comments on afghanistan, pakistan and chinese currency manipulation. number four, sales for the upcoming biography of steve jobs. up over 35,000% on amazon since last night and news of his death. kindle sales up even higher at 50,000%. the author says he talked to jobs just weeks ago and he asked one question that puzzled him -- why was the very private jobs opening up to a biographer at long last? jobs reportedly told him, quote, i wanted my kids to know me, i wasn't always there for them and i wanted them to know and to understand what i did. the book's publisher moved up release date one month to october 24th.
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and we're told that the biography will be one of the year's top best-sellers. no surprise there. it has been 62 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? steve jobs changed the world and that's part of the reason he spent time away from home, because he was changing the world, creating something that was a symbol for america. what's your favorite thing about america? >> i like the iphone. >> reporter: the iphone? >> yeah. >> i want the iphone. >> that was lily and adam, two kids we met this summer in shanghai. and you see what they liked about america. apple allowed reminder to anyone who travels a lot around the world that america is the world's most powerful country. mark invests in so many of these. great to have you.
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i know you spoke about how he was a once in a century sort of person. he spoke at one point about watching the jetsons when he grew up. looking at this video of essentially -- i guess we'd call it face-timing from warner brothers. >> right. >> he created things that people thought would be in the distant future. it's just they're once in a century. >> yeah. and the amazing thing is not just that the products are so amazing and that they touched people's lives. he did it over and over and over again. the number of people who have been able to do that is a very small set. >> you've admired him your whole career. if you had to say what you thought was the neatest thing he did or the biggest risk that he took, what would you say it is? >> i think the biggest impact he had was the example that he set for all the new entrepreneurs. we'll see probably 1,200 entrepreneurs with start-ups in the next 12 months.
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and 99.9% will say their hero is steve jobs. their inspiration lob the long-term impact. in the last 15 years, people thought apple was absolutely dead. people thought it was going to be impossible to turn that company around. it was 90 days from going into bankruptcy. and he turned the company around. >> one thing that -- around the world you see apple as -- in a way the embodiment of american exceptionalism. you said you're going to see 1,500 entrepreneurs in the next 12 months. a lot of them american, right? >> a lot of them are also immigrants. have come to the united states in many cases to work in high tech or to start companies. >> because they think they can still do that here, which is a great statement object our country. what are some of the neat things that you are seeing, the next great things that america will export around the world? >> the technology industry is a
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juggernaut right now. i think the entrepreneurs are better than before. we're seeing wave after wave, building on top of everything steve did. the sort of spread and the opportunities of the industry have never been greater. >> is it things like a facebook which is completely obviously changed the world. but it's something you access as opposed to a physical device, like -- steve did more than that. but obviously -- >> it's much harder these days to do physical devices. we have a few companies like that. and they very much also view apple as an inspiration. but the profound thing about the iphone and the ipad, they're a platform for people to built on top of. i think that was a big part of steve's vision the entire time. >> what is one of the neatest things that you've seen?
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we said twitter and facebook and foursquare, you're in the center of pretty much everything that's coming out of the u.s. and silicon valley. what is one of the neatest presentations that's walked through your office in the past few weeks? >> from our company, jawbone. they have a new product coming out called the up. it's a smart bracelet and has sensors for your exercise, your sleep cycles, all kinds of aspects of your health and well being and it synced to your iphone. i'm really looking forward to it. i'm hoping the ceo will give me one to wear. >> people are addicted to having a color band. >> this will be the new lance armstrong but better looking and it works with your iphone. >> because we have the jobs report tomorrow, what would you say when you look at silicon valley? is it still a place where you
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would say jobs are being created, where it's still an example of a positive story for america or not? >> silicon valley itself is on fire. the people who have technical degrees in the valley can get 10, 20, 30 job offers any time they want. all of our people are constantly being called by recruiters. it's the best of times from that perspective. but for people in california who don't have an engineering degree or don't have experience in high tech, it's the worst of times. and unemployment is running very high around the valley. we see both. >> mark, thanks so much. amanda knox's father, kurt, is with us next talking about his daughter, 48 hours back in seattle. that's next. and we go inside a women's jail in pakistan and talk to christy turlington. an ingredient that works more naturally with your colon than stimulant laxatives, for effective relief of constipation without cramps. thanks. [ professor ] good morning students. today, we're gonna...
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afraid. right now, the national transitional council facing down gadhafi loyalists in two cities, sirte and bani walid. >> nic, amazingly still don't know. now on to detroit where a jury's been seated in the underwear bomber trial. deborah feyerick has been following the story closely. i understand abdulmutallab, the bomber, is not happy with the jury? >> reporter: the jury is comprised of three men, nine women, two of them african-american, one southeast asian. abdulmutallab has fired his lawyers and is going to be representing himself. that means he'll likely be cross-examining passengers on board the plane he's accused of trying to blow up. al qaeda in the arabian
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peninsula has claimed responsibility for the plot. the group does remain a significant threat to the u.s. >> deborah, thanks again. now to alabama where the state's controversial new immigration law is hitting home. david mattingly is in atlanta tonight. what are some of the consequences you're starting to see? >> reporter: erin, alabama farmers have been complaining for months that they can't find enough workers to get their crops out of the field and they're saying they may soon go out of business. but now critics of the alabama law who are fighting it in court are also saying that children are being hurt as well. these are children of undocumented families who are uprooting these children, taking them out of school and moving out of state. in some cases, these are children who are u.s. citizens born in the u.s. erin? less than 48 hours, that's how long amanda knox has been back on american soil. she's currently in an indisclosed location getting reacquainted with her family
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after spending four years in prison in italy. her father, curt, joins us. we appreciate your joining us. it's been a long couple of days and lofl a long, long time waiting for them. how is amanda doing? >> she's actually doing remarkably well. it's almost like she hasn't miss add beat with the family. that's been really nice to see. >> how much -- have you had the opportunity to spend a lot of time with her? obviously everyone in the family probably wants to be with her. have you and what has she been up to? >> well, really, it's reconnecting with the family and she has a couple of twin cousins that were 1 year old when she first went to italy. and now they're 5. so it's really neat to see her playing with them. it's like they never missed each other. it's really nice.
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>> i was remembering the night when we were waiting for the flight to come in and everyone in the media world around the world, obviously, as you know, literally was watching when you came to seattle. and she was clearly overwhelmed. she looked shellshocked. it was amazing that she was even able to speak when she gave that impromptu comment to the press. how is she handling her adjustment? >> well, as far as
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as part of our show, we take the world out front, literally. we're going to travel to tell stories. and we went to pakistan. and in addition to talking about terrorism, we went to visit a jail for women. jail in karachi, barrack-style living for some of pakistan's women accused of serious crimes. why no jail cells? because despite the gruesome charges, few are guilty. only 10% will be convicted, like most of the women we spoke with, for fear their families might see them and take revenge, this woman requested we blur her face. she says she did not strangle her husband to death. she's been her nine months. she's met her lawyer once and has no trial date. most of the prisoners here are waiting on the day we visited, 51 of 66 prisoners were waiting
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for trial. one faces the death penalty for murdering her family. her name is omna. she says she's innocent. but she's been in jail for 13 years. her appeal was still pending when we visited. even pakistan's human rights chief acknowledges the problem. >> a delay in prosecution is a major, major, major issue. >> reporter: how do they pass the time? this jail is one of the best in pakistan. there is a computer room and occasional yoga classes. but the women were listless. they spend most of their time sitting and the tv is never on. only the children seemed immune from boredom. yes, there are children here. children with no memory of anything but jail. they've never even seen their own images. they stay here until their 7, when muslim law allows them to be taken from their mothers. this seems inhumane to annise.
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>> it definitely has some psychological influence and leaves scars on them. >> reporter: but is scarring from jail better than home? >> because in their homes, they are not [ inaudible ]. we have six washrooms in each barrack. >> reporter: but from the women, we heard only one answer. better conditions, for them or their children, don't make up for injustice. >> i'm hopeless here, so is my dream to get out of this place. we planned on showing you our interview with christy turlington yesterday. but the news of steve jobs' death prevented that. so here it is.
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something as natural as having a baby is a death sentence. according to amnesty international, more than 3,000 women die during child birth. christy turlington is the humanitarian of "every women counts." christy is an activist and of course now you see her face, she's known worldwide as a supermodel, too. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> seeing the sick baby that we saw there in karachi, that's something that you've seen a lot of? >> i have. i've seen a lot of sick mothers and sick families. one of our focuses on looking at the mother is that if her health is not optimal, her entire community and family suffers. >> you've been to a lot of places where this is true. pakistan is just one place. you've been to bangladesh, south america, africa. >> yes. this is a global tragedy. in my film, we look at banglade bangladesh, tanzania.
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amnesty international has us ranked 50th behind 49 other countries. it's absolutely shocking. >> what are the top one or two reasons why women are dying in childbirth? >> post par tum hemorrhaging is the main cause of that and they will bleed to death. oftentimes they live far away from a facility and from a doctor who can perform a surgery or an intervention that is necessary. another one is obstructed labor. that's when a mother is maybe a young girl and she's not quite developed enough to deliver her own child and the child will die in her. and then she may die herself and experience a fistula. it's a horrific type of outcome to have. all childbirth related. another is unsafe abortion which continues to represent about 13% of all maternal deaths. >> places in india and china, there's a reference to have boys over girls, there's such a demand for abortions. >> there are. in most countries where it's not
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legal, it's still happening. it doesn't change the outcome or numbers of deaths or abortions. it just makes it less safe for more people to actually access services. >> what about here in the u.s.? because i think when you said we rank number 50 will probably shock a lot of people watching. it might shock a lot of people how few pregnant women have health care in this country. you have been talking about how pregnancy-related complications that nearly cause death, near misses in the u.s., are up 25% in the past 12 or so years. how is that possible? >> it is shocking. the situation here in the united states is different than it is in some of the developing countries that we looked at. here, for example, one of the scenarios that makes it very dangerous for women to have children is having too many caesarean sections. another is moms are having children later. that can put you at risk. diabetes, obesity, these are problems that you might not see
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in developing countries but here are quite prevalent and has added significantly to this number. >> you are pushing the maternal health bill act. it's in congress. you are in school, speaking at the u.n. and doing all these things. you're also a mom. how do you do all of those things? >> all the things i'm doing now are very, very linked. i feel grateful. i had a complication from my first birth and that's what woke me up to these issues and understanding the global statistics that exist. i feel that i'm in a place in my life where i'm able to contribute and bring who i am and who i've become and the good fortune that i have to be able to share the spotlight with an issue that's underreported and not talked about enough so i can help other women. >> so you're running the new york city marathon, part of the goal to raise money for "every mother counts." what is the goal of that organization? >> we're an


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